WHAT THE ****. That's all I can say. And if this turns out to be true, sign me up for the fire Knowlton bandwagon.
We are reportedly in negotiations with/Hiring Mark Fox ex GA and NV coach per twitter
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Is it too late to hire Decuire? Much better choice imo.
Looks like Fox has been working as an assistant for USA Basketball under Van Gundy since leaving UGA. Which, I guess, is a good thing.
https://www.usab.com/basketball/staff/f/fox-mark.aspx
https://www.usab.com/basketball/staff/f/fox-mark.aspx
Kyle Smith never looked so good as now.
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If Cal decides that losing on the cheap is more cost effective then spending money and winning, I can accept that. I might not be happy about it, but I understand.ducky23 said:
Dare I say I might have preferred just keeping wyking over this bs
You either spend enough money to win or you don't spend the money. You don't spend just enough to keep losing.
$3M out the window for this is moronic.
I said the way Knowlton handled the firing for me took away the presumption that he knows what he is doing. If this is the hire, I go straight to he is a complete idiot and needs to be fired. Of course, at Cal that will happen 5 years from now right before they fire Fox for not turning around the program.
This is plain and simple a Sonny Dykes hire. There is zero reason to believe this can be successful. You do not hire a proven crap coach. If that is your option you go to risky options like low mid major, Div II, assistants, whatever.
Sadly, I agree. At least WJ was starting to trend up. Fox reached a middling ceiling and ended his HC career trending down.ducky23 said:
Dare I say I might have preferred just keeping wyking over this bs
Guess.LOUMFSG2 said:
Nice to see us ignore Monty again? Did DeCuire and Turner turn us down, or did we choose Fox over them? I don't get it
It's also not a great look when your middle aged white AD doesn't hire the young black coach who everyone else wants (fans, donors, ex-hall of fame coach, ex players) and instead hires a middle aged white coach who was fired from his last job and has a very middling record and resume.
I can see zero reason to go with fox and not decuire. It's not like decuire doesn't have the same reputation for being honest and having integrity as well.
I can see zero reason to go with fox and not decuire. It's not like decuire doesn't have the same reputation for being honest and having integrity as well.
That's my sense of it. Feels like Sonny Dykes, basketball version.OaktownBear said:
This is plain and simple a Sonny Dykes hire.
Of course, you never know, maybe he'll turn out to be great. I wouldn't put money on it.
Georgia has really got to be celebrating. You just know we will spend 3x the money on Fox that we would have for worse results but we will be lessing the Georgia buyout via the offset. Does he have some sort of in with a 5 star recruit that will push us into the top 25? Did Travis demand unreal $ and a new practice gym? I wonder if the transfer portal will get overloaded after this hire. Its going to be weird paying stubhub $15 to see Cal knowing that $1 goes to the ticket seller and Stubhub keeps $14 since the value of a Cal bball ticket will be $1.
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joe amos yaks said:
Everybody should just settle down and be positive.
This is not a personal thing about any coach.
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Let everyone pick at this hire. It's the right thing to do. Ultimately I think it will be alright.
Cal really needs to find another way besides search firms, or hire a better one although that might not make a difference.
It would seem Fox checks a lot of boxes like a good resume hire but seriously how about the common sense stuff like recruiting in California and rebuilding a program. And yes, better candidates who worked at Cal, went elsewhere and won consistently were ignored or passed over. TDC was so obviously this is astounding.
It would seem Fox checks a lot of boxes like a good resume hire but seriously how about the common sense stuff like recruiting in California and rebuilding a program. And yes, better candidates who worked at Cal, went elsewhere and won consistently were ignored or passed over. TDC was so obviously this is astounding.
Wow! Agree with the canning of WJ. But this...just wow! You couldn't find a better coach than this? I mean I understand this is not the type of job for an assistant to step into and that you needed a guy with P5 coaching experience. But we hire a guy who's out of coaching... Ok so lets proceed on that assumption. Was he the best out of work coach to hire?
Steve Lavin
Seth Greenberg
That's just two I'm sure there is more. Hell, they should have went after Larry Brown; he could have came in for at least one year before he left. Head scratching hire to be sure. I think this is better than WJ hire but I'm not sure I would want to live on the difference.
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Steve Lavin
Seth Greenberg
That's just two I'm sure there is more. Hell, they should have went after Larry Brown; he could have came in for at least one year before he left. Head scratching hire to be sure. I think this is better than WJ hire but I'm not sure I would want to live on the difference.
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sycasey said:That's my sense of it. Feels like Sonny Dykes, basketball version.OaktownBear said:
This is plain and simple a Sonny Dykes hire.
Of course, you never know, maybe he'll turn out to be great. I wouldn't put money on it.
I'd argue that the dykes hire, at the time, had way more upside. He was coming off of some pretty successful seasons with la tech (relatively speaking) and we at least knew coming in that he had some very innovative offensive philosophies (we just didn't know how bad his defenses actually were). In theory, there was some upside to his hiring
But fox had 9 years at Georgia, his record declined while there and he was eventually fired. I don't see after 1 year off he now has the ability to turn cal b-ball around when he already failed at another power conference school. It's not like cal is an easier job (more likely it's even harder)
Welp, this is a Cal as a Cal hire can be, if it turns out to be accurate.
They found an NIT-caliber coach.
Cal still playing small ball in revenue sports. Just like they have for decades.
They found an NIT-caliber coach.
Cal still playing small ball in revenue sports. Just like they have for decades.
Dykes was also a search firm hire. I get why search firms are used but it's not working for Cal if Fox is hired. He might do okay but really...no California recruiting experience, no rebuilding experience? That's just a head scratcher. Did he dazzle them with admin skills and the interview?
This doesn't feel like a Sonny hire to me.sycasey said:That's my sense of it. Feels like Sonny Dykes, basketball version.OaktownBear said:
This is plain and simple a Sonny Dykes hire.
Of course, you never know, maybe he'll turn out to be great. I wouldn't put money on it.
With Sonny, it felt like we were at least swinging for a double in the gap, even if we knew there was a good chance it would be a whiff.
With Fox, it feels like we're swinging for a sacrifice fly when we're trailing by 7 runs in the 8th, but at least there's a good chance we'll succeed in hitting the sac fly. Maybe things go much better than expected and the ball leaves the park, but we'll still be trailing by 5.
Man, it is a bad sign if I feel worse about this hire than I did about Sonny.
Fox was a success at Nevada, which is why Georgia poached him.
Nevada Coaches
1970-1972 Jackson Spencer 10-64 .135
1973-1976 Jim Padgett 43-61 .413
1977-1980 Jim Carey 65-46 .586
1981-1987 Sonny Allen 114-89 .562
1988-1993 Len Stevens 91-79 .535
1994-1999 Pat Foster 90-81 .526
2000-2004 Trent Johnson 79-74 .516
2005-2009 Mark Fox 123-43 .741
2010-2015 David Carter 98-97 .503
2016-Present Eric Musselman 100-30 .769
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Wolf_Pack_men%27s_basketball
Granted, he took over a program Trent Johnson had built up before Stanford hired him away, but he was WAC Coach of the Year twice in five years and his team never finished lower than 2nd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fox_(basketball)
Nevada Coaches
1970-1972 Jackson Spencer 10-64 .135
1973-1976 Jim Padgett 43-61 .413
1977-1980 Jim Carey 65-46 .586
1981-1987 Sonny Allen 114-89 .562
1988-1993 Len Stevens 91-79 .535
1994-1999 Pat Foster 90-81 .526
2000-2004 Trent Johnson 79-74 .516
2005-2009 Mark Fox 123-43 .741
2010-2015 David Carter 98-97 .503
2016-Present Eric Musselman 100-30 .769
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Wolf_Pack_men%27s_basketball
Granted, he took over a program Trent Johnson had built up before Stanford hired him away, but he was WAC Coach of the Year twice in five years and his team never finished lower than 2nd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fox_(basketball)
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if this is true this is a terrible hire. We went after poor man's Ben Braun? Why not just hire actual Ben Braun at that point? He's local and available. (I'm not advocating for Braun to be hired, just pointing out how preposterous this decision is.)
He did well at Nevada but he came into what was likely a good situation. They went to the sweet 16 the year before and their coach was hired away (by furd).
He did not do well at Georgia. 6 of his 9 years there he finished 6th or worse in the SEC. He made 1 NCAA tournament. His peak was winning about 20 games and consistently making the NIT which is worse than the peak every coach we've had in a long while except Wyking. His last 2 years he finished 8th and tied for 11th.
Also, the SEC was bad when he was at his peak (of making the NIT consistently... sigh). His best year in conference he went 12-6 and tied for 2nd in the SEC. Went to the NIT. Think about how bad the conference has to be to have a 12-6 2nd place team miss the NCAAs. This year's PAC sent 12-6 ASU and 10-8 Oregon (though 11-7 Utah didn't go).
Garbage hire if true. The buyout needs to be non-existent.
He did well at Nevada but he came into what was likely a good situation. They went to the sweet 16 the year before and their coach was hired away (by furd).
He did not do well at Georgia. 6 of his 9 years there he finished 6th or worse in the SEC. He made 1 NCAA tournament. His peak was winning about 20 games and consistently making the NIT which is worse than the peak every coach we've had in a long while except Wyking. His last 2 years he finished 8th and tied for 11th.
Also, the SEC was bad when he was at his peak (of making the NIT consistently... sigh). His best year in conference he went 12-6 and tied for 2nd in the SEC. Went to the NIT. Think about how bad the conference has to be to have a 12-6 2nd place team miss the NCAAs. This year's PAC sent 12-6 ASU and 10-8 Oregon (though 11-7 Utah didn't go).
Garbage hire if true. The buyout needs to be non-existent.
+1. It reeks of an AD who doesn't know BB (but probably DIGS olympic swimming). WAC was WEAK when he was winning at NEvada (prior Mountain West move). SEC was weak when he got there and as the football money flowed down to BB steadily slacked off.boredom said:
if this is true this is a terrible hire. We went after poor man's Ben Braun? Why not just hire actual Ben Braun at that point? He's local and available. (I'm not advocating for Braun to be hired, just pointing out how preposterous this decision is.)
He did well at Nevada but he came into what was likely a good situation. They went to the sweet 16 the year before and their coach was hired away (by furd).
He did not do well at Georgia. 6 of his 9 years there he finished 6th or worse in the SEC. He made 1 NCAA tournament. His peak was winning about 20 games and consistently making the NIT which is worse than the peak every coach we've had in a long while except Wyking. His last 2 years he finished 8th and tied for 11th.
Also, the SEC was bad when he was at his peak (of making the NIT consistently... sigh). His best year in conference he went 12-6 and tied for 2nd in the SEC. Went to the NIT. Think about how bad the conference has to be to have a 12-6 2nd place team miss the NCAAs. This year's PAC sent 12-6 ASU and 10-8 Oregon (though 11-7 Utah didn't go).
Garbage hire if true. The buyout needs to be non-existent.
Cal being Cal.
I am absolutely shocked at this news....This hire had become as much of a "no brainer" as any decision I've seen in quite some time....This AD hasn't got a clue about basketball, nor does he listen to people (Monty) who have extensive knowledge of not only basketball but the situation that a Cal basketball coach will be getting into....Where are the big money donors on this hire? If it would have been Kidd, I could have understood the reasons even if I would have been disappointed but this is beyond comprehension....Fire Knowlton Now...FKN, FKN, FKN, FKN, FKN, FKN, FKN, FKN ....
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I have just joined Oskidunker in giving up my season ticket. DeCuire must have turned thge job down. It's thge only logical conclusion. If he didn't, we need to run the AD out of town.
If DeCuire turned the offer down, the offer should have been upped until he couldn't turn it down.....Make him an offer he can't turn down....simple....
I think there's a good chance TDC declined. Doing well at his alma mater, winning, way lower cost of living...doesn't have to rebuild in a difficult situation. Why would he leave? Even money can't buy some stuff.
EricBear said:joe amos yaks said:
Everybody should just settle down and be positive.
This is not a personal thing about any coach.
Go Bears!
Fan sites are about discussion, not cheerleading.
Let everyone pick at this hire. It's the right thing to do. Ultimately I think it will be alright.
At least you have several months to work on your Sybil in game self discussion technique.
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this is reminiscent of the classic giants moves, hiring 38-year old veterans, former all-stars, two years removed from their peak, .305, 20hr season, and hoping for a miracle.
I can't wait until he's inserted into the UC a Place commercial. That's when the excitement really flares.
To all those who demanded that WJ be fired: Are you happy now??
bearsandgiants said:
this is reminiscent of the classic giants moves, hiring 38-year old veterans, former all-stars, two years removed from their peak , .305, 20hr season, and hoping for a miracle.
Fox is more than 10 years past his peak.
Why should we expect the moron who couldn't figure out Jones needed to be fired could figure out how to make a decent hire.helltopay1 said:
To all those who demanded that WJ be fired: Are you happy now??
The problem isn't firing Jones. The problem is the AD blowing the next decision.
Highly doubt thisAnother Bear said:
I think there's a good chance TDC declined. Doing well at his alma mater, winning, way lower cost of living...doesn't have to rebuild in a difficult situation. Why would he leave? Even money can't buy some stuff.
Cost of living? He makes $175K. If he declined it is because he figures he can get a better offer in a year or two. Not because he'd rather make one sixth the salary in Montana.Another Bear said:
I think there's a good chance TDC declined. Doing well at his alma mater, winning, way lower cost of living...doesn't have to rebuild in a difficult situation. Why would he leave? Even money can't buy some stuff.
Fox was a good hire for Georgia. That is the kind of guy you promote. Once he had 9 years of failure at the next level, it isn't a good hire any more. Stepping down to mid major makes sense. Power conference? No way in hell that makes sense.R90 said:
Fox was a success at Nevada, which is why Georgia poached him.
Nevada Coaches
1970-1972 Jackson Spencer 10-64 .135
1973-1976 Jim Padgett 43-61 .413
1977-1980 Jim Carey 65-46 .586
1981-1987 Sonny Allen 114-89 .562
1988-1993 Len Stevens 91-79 .535
1994-1999 Pat Foster 90-81 .526
2000-2004 Trent Johnson 79-74 .516
2005-2009 Mark Fox 123-43 .741
2010-2015 David Carter 98-97 .503
2016-Present Eric Musselman 100-30 .769
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Wolf_Pack_men%27s_basketball
Granted, he took over a program Trent Johnson had built up before Stanford hired him away, but he was WAC Coach of the Year twice in five years and his team never finished lower than 2nd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fox_(basketball)
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