1. He has four 20 win seasons in 9 years. Why will it be better here?emanbears24 said:
Let me preface my response with this. Fox was obviously not my top choice (I would have also preferred DeCuire over him), but this is not the awful hire that this board is making it to be. I think it's a realistic reflection of the program's current state.
1) Based on where the program currently is, I think 20 win seasons should be the goal with a tournament berth every two or three years. Once we establish ourselves as a solid, consistent program and add a practice facility, our expectations can change.
2) Mark Fox is a well-respected X's and O's coach, especially among the travel ball circuits. As I have mentioned elsewhere, my main concern with Fox is recruiting. His recruiting at Georgia was very underwhelming. Hiring Trent Johnson and keeping Grace do help alleviate this concern. With the right assistants, I think Fox has the coaching chops to move Cal back to a consistent 20 win program.
bUBBLE begins with B.TheSouseFamily said:
National computer rankings for Georgia during the Fox regime:
2010: #79
2011: #53
2012: #99
2013: #101
2014: #84
2015: #37
2016: #64
2017: #63
2018: #61
KAB love you but I have to say that the connections here is tough.KoreAmBear said:
Are we finding out that Knowlton can be more incompetent than Williams? It sure seems that way.
This whole thing with Wyking was a mess. At least he saved that no-brainer at the last moment. Now this horrible decision to push Travis from ever considering us again. What a freakin joke.
And yes, I believe that if he had put some pressure on Wilcox, we would not have just had musical chairs for the football offense too. But I have a feeling the offense is going to be pathetic too, since there are no real changes.
Baldwin hasn't proved anything in FBS except directly causing at least 3 losses for us in 2018. I don't get the "he hasn't forgotten how to coach" business. None of the years he's been at Cal has the offense been excellent and last year was downright dreadful. And the talent thing is a red herring -- the 3 losses were due to his personnel and play calling not talent. All you had to do was support the D with your O, but he undermined it completely.socaltownie said:KAB love you but I have to say that the connections here is tough.KoreAmBear said:
Are we finding out that Knowlton can be more incompetent than Williams? It sure seems that way.
This whole thing with Wyking was a mess. At least he saved that no-brainer at the last moment. Now this horrible decision to push Travis from ever considering us again. What a freakin joke.
And yes, I believe that if he had put some pressure on Wilcox, we would not have just had musical chairs for the football offense too. But I have a feeling the offense is going to be pathetic too, since there are no real changes.
A) Good Ad's don't meddle in coordinators. You hold Wilcox responsible for outcomes. He has a budget for assistants to manage to. Up to him. And I think the move on QB coach was a good one.
B) Baldwin didn't forget to coach. He HAS had good performance. Lets see how this goes next year.
C) But this one just is frustrating beyond belief. It really makes no sense. It is not a program building hire.
TonyTiger said:
I don't understand the intellectual capacity of saying Decurrie must of turned down the job, If Mike Montgomery endorsed him its because he talked to Decurrie, first. Decurrie did not turn this job down.
ducky23 said:
Dare I say I might have preferred just keeping wyking over this bs
One thing we have to give Knowlton credit for is this has to be the fastest hire ever at Cal. We shall see what the on court results are - I'm not especially optimistic - but we have to acknowledge the AD is mastering the behind the scenes beauracracy stuff better than most.KoreAmBear said:
I Are we finding out that Knowlton can be more incompetent than Williams? It sure seems that way.
This whole thing with Wyking was a mess. At least he saved that no-brainer at the last moment. Now this horrible decision to push Travis from ever considering us again. What a freakin joke.
And yes, I believe that if he had put some pressure on Wilcox, we would not have just had musical chairs for the football offense too. But I have a feeling the offense is going to be pathetic too, since there are no real changes.
It would appear that Knowlton had a short list of potential MBB hires if/when and that Fox was on the list. It seemed that he was prepared for the change.tequila4kapp said:
One thing we have to give Knowlton credit for is this has to be the fastest hire ever at Cal. We shall see what the on court results are - I'm not especially optimistic - but we have to acknowledge the AD is mastering the behind the scenes beauracracy stuff better than most.
It would appear like you have no idea what you are talking aboutRJABear said:It would appear that Knowlton had a short list of potential MBB hires if/when and that Fox was on the list. It seemed that he was prepared for the change.tequila4kapp said:
One thing we have to give Knowlton credit for is this has to be the fastest hire ever at Cal. We shall see what the on court results are - I'm not especially optimistic - but we have to acknowledge the AD is mastering the behind the scenes beauracracy stuff better than most.
No I do think that is true. This is WARP SPEED for cal. Now it could be Crisp but this had to be decided upon likely Wednesday COB to get the Chancellor's sign off. I assume that JK had him on the radar screen.Yogi Bear said:It would appear like you have no idea what you are talking aboutRJABear said:It would appear that Knowlton had a short list of potential MBB hires if/when and that Fox was on the list. It seemed that he was prepared for the change.tequila4kapp said:
One thing we have to give Knowlton credit for is this has to be the fastest hire ever at Cal. We shall see what the on court results are - I'm not especially optimistic - but we have to acknowledge the AD is mastering the behind the scenes beauracracy stuff better than most.
KenBurnski said:
Cal AD marketing can thank me later
Because that attitude leads to Cal screwing its fans over again and again and again without repercussions.ClayK said:
It is possible, though not necessarily likely, that Fox has taken some time to digest his Georgia tenure and realized there were some things he could have done -- and presumably will do -- better.
Experience does matter, and the optimistic view is that Fox got taught a lot in a tougher league than the Pac-12, and will be able to apply those lessons in Berkeley.
The pessimistic view has been expressed quite well on this thread, and probably has a little more factual backup.
But you know, sometimes you might as well enjoy the pie in the sky. Why be depressed until you have to be?
tequila4kapp said:One thing we have to give Knowlton credit for is this has to be the fastest hire ever at Cal. We shall see what the on court results are - I'm not especially optimistic - but we have to acknowledge the AD is mastering the behind the scenes beauracracy stuff better than most.KoreAmBear said:
I Are we finding out that Knowlton can be more incompetent than Williams? It sure seems that way.
This whole thing with Wyking was a mess. At least he saved that no-brainer at the last moment. Now this horrible decision to push Travis from ever considering us again. What a freakin joke.
And yes, I believe that if he had put some pressure on Wilcox, we would not have just had musical chairs for the football offense too. But I have a feeling the offense is going to be pathetic too, since there are no real changes.
please explain this disconnect, if you dare.tequila4kapp said:
I'll just say this, if the response I received is indicative of what you'll hear at the introductory presser - and I suspect it will - there's a pretty sizable disconnect between the few of us who post on the hoops thread and our leadership, though not with influential donors, it appears, since they are probably funding this change.
Yogi Bear said:It would appear like you have no idea what you are talking aboutRJABear said:It would appear that Knowlton had a short list of potential MBB hires if/when and that Fox was on the list. It seemed that he was prepared for the change.tequila4kapp said:
One thing we have to give Knowlton credit for is this has to be the fastest hire ever at Cal. We shall see what the on court results are - I'm not especially optimistic - but we have to acknowledge the AD is mastering the behind the scenes beauracracy stuff better than most.
There was no PAC12 and no Pac12 Tournament when Newell coached. It was win your conference or you don't go to the NCAA. None of this finishing 5th in conference and going to a dance.socaltownie said:Sadly you know the answer here - that what the powers that be aspire to is about 500 BB and an occasional NIT invite. What they don't get is how the NIT has changed - making it actually pretty hard for P5 teams to get in.OaktownBear said:Okay then, let me ask two questions:emanbears24 said:
All of this love for DeCuire is borderline irrational. Based on this thread, it seems like he's the next Coach K.
Knowlton made a good decision. Fox is a solid hire.
1. What do you think are reasonable acceptable results for Cal Basketball (in terms of win-loss record)
2. How do you expect Fox is going to achieve those results?
I want to know because either your answer to #1 is far too low or your answer to #2 is way off base.
If that is the hurdle (and I think it is) Mark Fox is just about perfect. Will never get the team sactioned, will have the grey hairs waxing on about how Mark reminds them of the tight sets Newell ran and a consistent 5 to 8 seed in the Pac12 tournament.
This is a hire that SCREAMS that they don't want to compete.
But hey, donors are happy with swimming so everything is OK
Cal being Cal.
