coachdeke said:
The swimmers complaining were not her top swimmers. Her transfer rate has been very low. Training to be the best is only for the few and the article didn't only gave one side. Neil McGuire faced the same type of attack; he's still at Cal and nobody transferred as far as I know.
It might be time for her to retire, anyway, but there seems to be a rush to judgement. I see many swimming alums at their meets. There's always more than one side to a story.
bearchamp said:
The 42% is meaningless. In swimming, very little incentive to go on if not one of the top performers. Half the team can't qualify for the NCAAs. Why bother?
Cindy Tran, a six-time NCAA champion who swam for Cal from the 2010-11 to 2013-14 seasons, said McKeever's alleged bullying also helped push them to the brink of taking them own life in 2014.coachdeke said:
The swimmers complaining were not her top swimmers. Her transfer rate has been very low. Training to be the best is only for the few and the article didn't only gave one side. Neil McGuire faced the same type of attack; he's still at Cal and nobody transferred as far as I know.
It might be time for her to retire, anyway, but there seems to be a rush to judgement. I see many swimming alums at their meets. There's always more than one side to a story.
Cindy Tran won the NCAA 100 back title twice so probably the most notable however there were a couple of unidentified swimmers too. However you do get kind of concern (I did) when recruiting seem to significantly slowed down after the fab 4 & despite our winning the NCAA 'ship too. Also a couple of our top swimmers chose to swim with coach Durden instead of stay with the Teri after graduating from Cal. I think the signs are there that a change is needed.coachdeke said:
The swimmers complaining were not her top swimmers. Her transfer rate has been very low. Training to be the best is only for the few and the article didn't only gave one side. Neil McGuire faced the same type of attack; he's still at Cal and nobody transferred as far as I know.
It might be time for her to retire, anyway, but there seems to be a rush to judgement. I see many swimming alums at their meets. There's always more than one side to a story.
Polodad said:
Both of the swimming magazines, Swimming World and SwimSwam, are carrying the story. Any competitive swimmer in the world will know of these allegations by the end of the day. T. McKeever's renowned reputation will not recover.
Given this has allegedly been an issue for several years, I'm actually surprised this hasn't surfaced sooner.DiabloWags said:Polodad said:
Both of the swimming magazines, Swimming World and SwimSwam, are carrying the story. Any competitive swimmer in the world will know of these allegations by the end of the day. T. McKeever's renowned reputation will not recover.
Yup.
And I have a feeling that Chancellor Christ is gonna get involved.
If this article is painting an accurate picture of what transpired not just with McKeever, but with senior administrator's inside the Cal Athletic Department that are in positions of authority for athletes seeking remedy then there appears to be a total systemic breakdown involved here.
Missy Franklin came back to CAL in 2016, but she chose to swim for the Men's Head coach, Dave Durden. She declined to be interviewed for this article. I can imagine that there will be "others" who wont be afraid to step forward now and speak up
DiabloWags said:coachdeke said:
The swimmers complaining were not her top swimmers. Her transfer rate has been very low. Training to be the best is only for the few and the article didn't only gave one side. Neil McGuire faced the same type of attack; he's still at Cal and nobody transferred as far as I know.
It might be time for her to retire, anyway, but there seems to be a rush to judgement. I see many swimming alums at their meets. There's always more than one side to a story.
From the article:
- Of the 61 swimmers who joined the Cal team as freshmen between the 2013-2014 and 2020-21 seasons, 26 (42.6 percent) left the program before completing their NCAA eligibility. Four swimmers on the 2021-22 roster have either transferred or placed themselves in the NCAA's transfer portal since the season's end.
Boot said:
Seriously? If it was maybe one or two swimmers that would be the case. She's gotta go.
coachdeke said:DiabloWags said:coachdeke said:
The swimmers complaining were not her top swimmers. Her transfer rate has been very low. Training to be the best is only for the few and the article didn't only gave one side. Neil McGuire faced the same type of attack; he's still at Cal and nobody transferred as far as I know.
It might be time for her to retire, anyway, but there seems to be a rush to judgement. I see many swimming alums at their meets. There's always more than one side to a story.
From the article:
- Of the 61 swimmers who joined the Cal team as freshmen between the 2013-2014 and 2020-21 seasons, 26 (42.6 percent) left the program before completing their NCAA eligibility. Four swimmers on the 2021-22 roster have either transferred or placed themselves in the NCAA's transfer portal since the season's end.
I wasn't aware of that number, but I don't remember any top swimmers transferring out
As long as the "Top Swimmers" are winning, what's the problem?!!Bearfan7 said:
@coachdeke - You appear to be very focused on her "top swimmers" (as if being not one of the "top swimmers" should subject one to the abuse). Way too many swimmers came forward with issues with Teri's coaching style. If you are in fact a coach...I hope you don't coach this way (doesn't work in this day and age).
If true, Simon-O'Neill is in deep doo-doo. This is also a teachable moment for these kids for later in life that HR or P&O or whatever euphemistic departmental title is used, that these departments are theoretically set up to protect the employee when in fact they exist to protect the employer or admin. That's been my experience working at two different Forbes 500 companies. They're set up to support and defend whoever is one's superior and their superiors.DiabloWags said:
From the article:
"Clark said she met with Simon-O'Neill, the Cal athletic department's senior women's administrator, to complain about body-shaming issues and that McKeever violated federal privacy laws by revealing her Crohn's disease to the rest of the team without her permission. Simon-O'Neill apologized for the privacy breach and said she would talk McKeever about privacy issues, Clark said.
But Simon-O'Neill added, according to Clark, "'Teri is producing Olympians, she's an Olympic coach. There's really nothing more I can do for you.'
"She was so biased. I was trying to bring up real issues.
She totally had Teri's back. She did not have the athlete's back."
Why do you hate America?juarezbear said:If true, Simon-O'Neill is in deep doo-doo. This is also a teachable moment for these kids for later in life that HR or P&O or whatever euphemistic departmental title is used, that these departments are theoretically set up to protect the employee when in fact they exist to protect the employer or admin. That's been my experience working at two different Forbes 500 companies. They're set up to support and defend whoever is one's superior and their superiors.DiabloWags said:
From the article:
"Clark said she met with Simon-O'Neill, the Cal athletic department's senior women's administrator, to complain about body-shaming issues and that McKeever violated federal privacy laws by revealing her Crohn's disease to the rest of the team without her permission. Simon-O'Neill apologized for the privacy breach and said she would talk McKeever about privacy issues, Clark said.
But Simon-O'Neill added, according to Clark, "'Teri is producing Olympians, she's an Olympic coach. There's really nothing more I can do for you.'
"She was so biased. I was trying to bring up real issues.
She totally had Teri's back. She did not have the athlete's back."
juarezbear said:If true, Simon-O'Neill is in deep doo-doo. This is also a teachable moment for these kids for later in life that HR or P&O or whatever euphemistic departmental title is used, that these departments are theoretically set up to protect the employee when in fact they exist to protect the employer or admin. That's been my experience working at two different Forbes 500 companies. They're set up to support and defend whoever is one's superior and their superiors.DiabloWags said:
From the article:
"Clark said she met with Simon-O'Neill, the Cal athletic department's senior women's administrator, to complain about body-shaming issues and that McKeever violated federal privacy laws by revealing her Crohn's disease to the rest of the team without her permission. Simon-O'Neill apologized for the privacy breach and said she would talk McKeever about privacy issues, Clark said.
But Simon-O'Neill added, according to Clark, "'Teri is producing Olympians, she's an Olympic coach. There's really nothing more I can do for you.'
"She was so biased. I was trying to bring up real issues.
She totally had Teri's back. She did not have the athlete's back."
Bobodeluxe said:Why do you hate America?juarezbear said:
If true, Simon-O'Neill is in deep doo-doo. This is also a teachable moment for these kids for later in life that HR or P&O or whatever euphemistic departmental title is used, that these departments are theoretically set up to protect the employee when in fact they exist to protect the employer or admin. That's been my experience working at two different Forbes 500 companies. They're set up to support and defend whoever is one's superior and their superiors.
Awfully serious about this laundry stuff?DiabloWags said:Bobodeluxe said:Why do you hate America?juarezbear said:
If true, Simon-O'Neill is in deep doo-doo. This is also a teachable moment for these kids for later in life that HR or P&O or whatever euphemistic departmental title is used, that these departments are theoretically set up to protect the employee when in fact they exist to protect the employer or admin. That's been my experience working at two different Forbes 500 companies. They're set up to support and defend whoever is one's superior and their superiors.
Your conflation is absurd.
You dont have to "hate America" while pointing out the power of HR in Corporate America.
I take it that you've never had any personal experience with the Cal Intercollegiate Athletic Administration, let alone the Associate AD's who oversee each one of the 28 sports and their compliance with NCAA and University of California rules. Think the Cal Athletic Department isnt one big bureaucratic machine that falls prey to protecting it's best interests while ignoring those of the student-athlete on occasion?
Think again.
Case in point: Simon-O'Neill's remark about McKeever to a Cal swimmer suffering from Crohn's disease is pretty much all you need to know. - - - Never mind that McKeever is a Godmother to her eldest daughter.. No confict of interest there, right?
Bobodeluxe said:
Awfully serious about this laundry stuff?
Microbear85 said:
What an awful story. My kid swam D3. There was enough pressure and body-shaming in that world. I can only imagine how much the pressure ramps up in a championship level D1 program. I hope the Cal leadership/administration has the courage to do what is necessary to make amends.
UC Berkeley swimmers walk out on coach Teri McKeever after reports of abuse, bullying Orange County Register (ocregister.com)Boot said:
The whole team walked out of practice today.
