2016-2017 Season: Women's Swimming

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BearDevil
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KB (200 IM, 100 Back), Abbey (50 Free), and Noemie (100 Fly) are all in NCAAs for sure via A cuts.

McL (500 Free), Amy (50 Free/100 Back), Celina (200/400 IM), and Farida (50 Free/100 Fly) are almost certainly in via high B cuts (~top 38).

Hull (50 Free), Keaton (200 IM/100 Back), and Marina (100 Breast) are on the bubble. Marina and Keaton have a chance to improve their times in finals. The 200 Breast is Marina's strongest event, so she still has a chance there too. Definitely need Marina and Hull for relays and they're painfully close now, so may also swim time trials this weekend.
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cheers for the summary of the greater picture, bd!

pac-12s & time trials do provide a bit of a (last minute) buffer/opportunity to secure these cuts. but believe teri's goal has always been to aim for getting as many of these cuts as possible at the mid season invite even if on just partial rest (and wisely so).

one lil addendum - think amy already has her a cut (easily) in the 100 bk, from her relay leadoff last night

btw ob thx also for posting the prelims results for the men so they won't feel too neglected by their supporters lol
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swimswam's interview with birthday gal abbey:

BearDevil
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Thanks for the correction on Amy, UAC. Looking at it again, would probably move Keaton into the field and off the bubble, but still close.

May not happen until PACs or time trials, but KV, Mau, Maddie, and CM still have decent shots for NCAA invites.

Teri may not want to take any undue risks, but theoretically Keaton, Maddie, and KV could swim prelim relay legs @ NCAAs to keep others fresh for other events/relay finals.

Hard to know where teams are in their training cycle/rest, but Georgia's times don't look so great.
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tedbear;842772615 said:

Marina finishes 4th in the 100 Breast 1:00.73, which is about where she has been historically. And Abbey finishes sixth! For those that don't know, this off event for Abbey is the equivalent to the tallest player on the team playing point guard. It is really unusual for a top sprinter to be good in the Breast events. Backstroke U, Amy and Kathleen go 1 and 2 in the 100 Back. Also, Keaton 4th and Kristen 8th.


Abbey swam the breast leg on Cal's A 200 Medley Relay. Were under the NCAA A cut by 2 seconds. Abbey's breast split was faster than Georgia's Emily Cameron (top ranked high school breaststroker in her recruiting class) and Marina.

No way Abbey swims the breast legs (Marina, Celina, or Baker) at NCAAs, but Teri has multiple options. 400IM was the next event, so Teri rested Celina.
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Abbey swam the breast leg on Cal's A 200 Medley Relay. Were under the NCAA A cut by 2 seconds. Abbey's breast split was faster than Georgia's Emily Cameron (top ranked high school breaststroker in her recruiting class) and Marina. Beardevil



200MR as mentioned by BD Cal's A team under the NCAA A cut. Cal's B team #5 was also under the A cut.

400IM Celina #3, Chenoa #9, Courtney #10 all made the B cut and Majia #15

200 fly Noemie #1 (wow 50.67) and Farida 51.20 #2 also made A cut. Baker #4, Murphy #9, Jasmine #11 (didn't imprv from morning swim) all made B cut.

200fr Kristen #4, Keaton #7, Katie #9 all B cut and Lund #15 and Hull #16. Siobhan (mich but s/h/b a Bear) #1 who barely miss A cut.

100bk Amy #1, Keaton #3 both A cuts!!! Kristen #6 & Courtney #16 B qualifiers

800 Relay Cal #1 with an A cut. All original Dream team members, Katie, Kathleen, Amy, Abbey though Abbey got sidetracked with the Olympics. Fastest relay leg was by Kathleen 1:43.97! Cal B team #5 and C team #11.
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BearDevil;842772877 said:

Abbey swam the breast leg on Cal's A 200 Medley Relay. Were under the NCAA A cut by 2 seconds. Abbey's breast split was faster than Georgia's Emily Cameron (top ranked high school breaststroker in her recruiting class) and Marina.

No way Abbey swims the breast legs (Marina, Celina, or Baker) at NCAAs, but Teri has multiple options. 400IM was the next event, so Teri rested Celina.


Hahaha! Go Abbey!!! Hey, it makes sense to me. Let's let Abbey grow into this and see if she can improve on her times as the season goes on.
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OBear073akaSMFan;842772949 said:

200MR as mentioned by BD Cal's A team under the NCAA A cut. Cal's B team #5 was also under the A cut.

400IM Celina #3, Chenoa #9, Courtney #10 all made the B cut and Majia #15

200 fly Noemie #1 (wow 50.67) and Farida 51.20 #2 also made A cut. Baker #4, Murphy #9, Jasmine #11 (didn't imprv from morning swim) all made B cut.

200fr Kristen #4, Keaton #7, Katie #9 all B cut and Lund #15 and Hull #16. Siobhan (mich but s/h/b a Bear) #1 who barely miss A cut.

100bk Amy #1, Keaton #3 both A cuts!!! Kristen #6 & Courtney #16 B qualifiers

800 Relay Cal #1 with an A cut. All original Dream team members, Katie, Kathleen, Amy, Abbey though Abbey got sidetracked with the Olympics. Fastest relay leg was by Kathleen 1:43.97! Cal B team #5 and C team #11.


Looking at Breast splits in the relay, Abbey 27.07 and Marina 27.92. That's a huge .85 difference!

Celina looks great, but we are going to be hurting in the 400 IM next year. Over a 7 second difference between her and Chenoa and Courtney.

Nono is on fire. Potential NCAA champ here. Farida is always solid here, but Kathleen has been a revelation. No way she trades the 100 Back for the Fly though. Future looks bright with Maddie.

OBear is right, UAC's heart throb, SBH, should have been a Bear . Kristen surprises me here. I wonder why Amy dropped this event. Katie swam much better than prelims and would have placed sixth in the A final. We all support you Katie as we patiently wait for you to return to full strength. Keaton also looks solid.

Ok, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself with my support for Abbey as our relay breast stroker. Marina beats Abbey in the 100 Breast 1:00.55 to 1:00.98. But looking at the first 50 splits Abbey 28.17 and Marina 28.53. So IMO, Abbey does the 200 Medley and Marina does the 400 Medley.

Fearless predictions, Amy will break Natalie's NCAA record in the 100 Back!!! Keaton is a better back stroker than I thought, but I was hoping for more from Courtney in this event.

Dream Team Relay!!! But unfortunately, this is an event that the Furd will dominate.
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[SIZE=7]2016 GEORGIA INVITE: CAL’S THOMAS RIPS 50.6 100 FLY IN DAY 3 FINALS[/SIZE]


" Cal’s Noemie Thomas was arguably the most impressive swimmer of the evening. "

https://swimswam.com/2016-georgia-invite-cals-thomas-rips-50-6-100-fly-day-3-finals/
UrsusArctosCalifornicus
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another smashing night of racing, some massively encouraging results, and great reporting from the motley crew here lol

here's the official write-up ...

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Fast Swims Continue in Georgia



http://www.calbears.com/news/2016/12/3/womens-swimming-diving-fast-swims-continue-in-georgia.aspx

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Just delighted with the performance of Women and Men's teams! Love seeing Hull, KV, Maddie and others moving towards helping with depth with some of our highly rated "A" swimmers. Still a long way to go with tough dual meets next (Arizona, USC, and Stanford). And there seems to be more parity with Womens teams in the NCAAs. After prohibited favorite Stanford, 2nd place through 10th place will be exciting. I see our Bears as #2 or #3 right now, but who knows?

And our Mens program is in great shape even without Long and Josa to date. Texas will be the favorite, of course, but we won't be too far behind. Could almost match Texas in the swimming scoring, but they will have diving points we won't have. Pleased with showings of Sand, Jensen, Pawel, and so many others at the Georgia Invitational this weekend. Go Bears!
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While aggrevating at times, Teri's penchant for versatility is paying off big for this team.

Has stockpiled sprinters, backstrokers, and flyers, but weak in breast, distance, and middle distance. McL probably still isn't 100%, but Teri's moving her from a relative strength (fly) to middle distance. Was already in NCAAs via 500 Free, but now also in via 200 Free (individual swim and 800 relay lead off). Would look for a solid 200 Fly time from her too.

800 Free is Cal's most precarious relay because there isn't any depth beyond the Dream Team. Enter KV, who's now in via the 200 Free (!?!). Never would have thought she'd have a better chance of being invited to NCAAs via 200 Free than 50 Free. Gives Teri breathing room on the 800 Free and options in the 200 Free relays.

Maddie's now in via the 100 Fly. Another option on the 200 Free Relay. While all the Dream Teamers could conceivably swim all five relays, they won't. Still don't think it will happen, but Abbey could swim a 200 Medley breast leg if needed. Interesting dynamic/wrinkle for 2018 with Ali, Dannie, Abbey, KB, and Keaton.

2017 Bears don't have enough overall depth (breast, middle distance, distance, diving) to take down the furdette juggernaut, but Teri's crafty and can move a whole lot of versatile pieces around to her advantage.

Hull's very close to an invite in the 50 Free, so we'll see what happens in the 100 Free or via time trial. Still plenty of other invite avenues left. She's the only must have relay swimmer not in at this point. KV, Maddie, and Keaton are added bonuses who increase flexibility. Would be nice to get Mau back on track and build for the future with CM and Chenoa in 2017 NCAAs, but that would likely be ahead of schedule. Was always slightly dubious of the 2016 recruiting class rankings, but froskies are sneaky good. Slight correction on Keaton-she's safely in NCAAs via 100 Back, just not via A cut.

Relays are in much better shape now than at this point last year. Four for four in A cuts and not getting one in the 400 Free would be an upset/surprise. Teri can tinker with line ups during the PAC season and go for seeds at PACs, but relay qualification is a non-issue.

Would be nice to have more individual A cuts, but high Bs are functionally equivalent. With her ideal relay teams virtually already safely in, wouldn't expect Teri to go all out in dual meet season. A few losses along the way may push down some BS rankings, but duals are relatively meaningless. Train hard all the way until NCAAs. Rest Hull, Mau, CM, and Chenoa and tweak some seeds at PACs, but let it all ride at NCAAs. Would be nice to get Phoebe in to build for the future in diving too. Admittedly didn't see the team coming together this well, but Teri's won titles for a reason and the team's in very good shape at this point.

Georgia's always dangerous, but their recruiting misses have hollowed out their team a lot. 200 Free was always their calling card, but their current 800 Free Relay is lacking. LSJU will blow the NCAA record there away, but Bears (even with limited depth) and UVa (without Leah Smith) are better now. Things could change by March. Dawgs also have breast problems (Cameron and Raab). Smoliga's obviously as good as advertised, but Stewart hasn't reached her potential. Lots of tough unsung swimmers (as usual), but not enough crucial high end talent that kills their relays relative to the Bay Area duopoly.
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Sunday morning prelims. Another good opening session for the Bears.

200 Back - Backstroke U showing it's strength. Amy and Kathleen go #1 and #2, Keaton goes #4 and continues to surprise me, and here comes Courtney at #8.

100 Free - Yup, Abbey as expected, although Smoglia is hot on her tail. Farida in at #4, and the constantly improving Valerie in at #8. Val's coming out party is going to be huge for the future! Maddie #11 and KV at #12.

200 Breast - We've always known that Marina is better at the 200 than the 100, and that showed this morning. In fact, her time puts her in scoring potential for the NCAAs.

200 Fly - Surprising depth here for the team. Nono is still on fire finishing at #3, Celina at #6, and Katie at #7. This is Katie's premier event and this is where I expect the biggest time drop as she continues to recover from her injury and gains strength. Jaz at #11.

Lots of great times and performances for our women so far this meet! :gobears:
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NCAA status from prelims:

-200 Back: Amy 0.1 off an A cut. Keaton on invite bubble, but already in via 100 Back.

-100 Free: Abbey-A cut. Hull on high enough B invite bubble. Needs to drop ~0.3 for a safe invite. May be able to get that in finals or leading off the 400 Free Relay.

-200 Breast: Marina safely in NCAAs. Better seed than 100 Breast.

-200 Fly: Noemie~0.4 off A cut, probably gets it in finals. Celina in via high enough B (already in via IMs). McL off high enough B cut by ~0.4 (already in via 500/200 Frees).
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200 back standard A 1:54.0 B 1:59.6

Amy #1, Kathleen #2, Both A standard Keaton #4, Courtney #8 both B with Keaton .77 off of A , Aislinn #14

100 free 47.69 49.99

Abbey #1 (A), Farida #4 (B), Valerie #8 (B), Murphy #11 (B), Kristen #12 (B) Abbey only sprinter to make A standard

200 Br 02:07.3 02:16.0

Marina #2 (B) 2:09.36, Majia #15 Barely misses B standard by .30, Alexa #21

200fly 01:54.0 01:59.6

Noemie #3 (B) misses by A by .4, Celina #6 (B), Katie #7 (B), Jasmine #11 (B), Murphy #14, Jennifer #15

After day 2 scores "
The Golden Bears grew their lead in the three-day event and now have 638 points to 565 for Georgia. Virginia (491), Michigan (404) and Florida State (284) round out the top five teams in a competition that features four of the top 10 schools in the country.

edited-Oops saw TB and BD already had posted recaps. I'm a slower typist.
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Sunday Finals.

200 Back - Kathleen and Amy come out on top, but this time it's Kathleen with the victory. We are so lucky to have these two for the next three years! Keaton sixth and Courtney 8th.

100 Free - Abbey loses out to Smoglia for the second sprint event in a row. Hopefully things will change at NCAAs. Farida third and Valerie seventh. Very happy with Valerie's performance this weekend, and hopefully she has some more upside for the future. Maddie tenth and KV 12th.

200 Breast - Marina second. This is also another very promising development. Her times are much better earlier in the season than the last few years. It would be great if she could score significant points at the NCAAs.

200 Fly - Nono third, Celina sixth, and Katie seventh. Celina probably does better here than in the 200 Breast. This is a very solid trio, and I'm hoping that Katie drops even more time. We know she has the potential to own this event.

1650 Free - Chenoa seventh and Anina ninth. Still a ways to go before these two get qualifying times, but I am hopeful with continued improvement.
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Bears go 5 for 5 in relay A cuts. Dawgs edged them out in the 400 Free, but not their optimal line up (KB, Abbey, Hull, Farida). Hull's safely in NCAAs via the 100 Free, so all optimal relay swimmers (including spares) are already good to go. Huge luxury/relief pre-PACs and can experiment/mix and match during PAC duals.

For all the hand wringing over breast medley legs, qualified two different relays with A cuts in both 200 and 400 Medley relays.

Ideally still get Mau, CM, Chenoa, and Phoebe into NCAAs too.
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400Free relay Cal comes in 2nd to Georgia 3:11.19 to 3:11.82. Olivia blasted an opening leg of 47.54 which basically won it for them. Couldn't make up the diff. Cal B team #4.

2 CAL-PC 'A' 3:15.82 3:11.82
1) Baker, Kathleen S 19 2) Weitzeil, Abbey R 19
3) Hull, Valerie E 20 4) Osman, Farida H 21
23.63 49.15 (49.15)
1:11.51 (22.36) 1:36.06 (46.91)
1:58.74 (22.68) 2:24.14 (48.08)
2:46.90 (22.76) 3:11.82 (47.68)

4 CAL-PC 'B' 3:24.20 3:15.30
1) Blovad, Keaton M 28 2) Bilquist, Amy M 19
3) Murphy, Maddie A 18 4) Vredeveld, Kristen A 21
24.05 49.69 (49.69)
1:12.55 (22.86) 1:37.77 (48.08)
2:01.17 (23.40) 2:26.59 (48.82)
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BearDevil;842773301 said:

Bears go 5 for 5 in relay A cuts. Dawgs edged them out in the 400 Free, but not their optimal line up (KB, Abbey, Hull, Farida). Hull's safely in NCAAs via the 100 Free, so all optimal relay swimmers (including spares) are already good to go. Huge luxury/relief pre-PACs and can experiment/mix and match during PAC duals.

For all the hand wringing over breast medley legs, qualified two different relays with A cuts in both 200 and 400 Medley relays.

Ideally still get Mau, CM, Chenoa, and Phoebe into NCAAs too.


Hmmm, Kathleen over Amy in the 400 relay? Not so sure about that one. Also, I like Abbey starting and Farida finishing. The addition of Abbey adds a whole new dynamic to our relays. They will be much better than last year.
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tedbear;842773309 said:

Hmmm, Kathleen over Amy in the 400 relay? Not so sure about that one. Also, I like Abbey starting and Farida finishing. The addition of Abbey adds a whole new dynamic to our relays. They will be much better than last year.


Think we agree. Line up referenced in my earlier post wasn't ideal. Mo' Billy (mo' cowbell) mo' better.

Seems odd to lead off with KB and Keaton unless it was an attempt to get them improved 100 Free times, which wouldn't fit with the 200 Back. Still pretty sweet that Keaton, Amy, Maddie, KV also got an A cut.

All the seniors are swimming well.
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catching up with results from all your informative posts (thx!) + the usual official sources...

Cal - 914 pts
Georgia - 821
UVa - 716
Michigan - 641
FSU - 403

think teri was tinkering with the 400 fr relay lineups a lil here. that 3:11.82 time = #2 in the country, ahead of the horns (3:12.29), furdettes (3:12.55) & trojans (3:12.74)

billy aka amy will def be fielded @ ncaas in this relay, along with abbey & our egyptian princess, imo

val's the leading candidate for the 4th spot at this point, as a result of her split tonight on top of her stellar improvements across the spectrum. tho mads also making a fair case for consideration with her relay time. lil bean (thleen) & kv will also be in the running. leo i mean katie too, if she was fully recovered and didn't have the 200 fly b4 this relay.

wouldn't worry too much about abbey, who had acknowledged being not as fast as she wanted to be right now - a natural byproduct of transferring to a new coaching, team, & social environment. just give her some more time to adjust to her new training regimen & environment... kudos to smoliga for getting down in the 46s and busting out the fastest 100 fr in the nation for now, a worthy rival but abbey's most dangerous threat in the 50 & 100 free will likely be simone come march.

really wowed by all the personal bests achieved by so many of the team at this invite! several of the freshies way ahead of schedule in becoming potential ncaa qualifiers the very first semester of their collegiate career (keets lowered her 200 bk prev best by almost 3 sec), with a number of vets breaking out of the doldrums and dropping time left & right

btw marina's been stuck in the upper 2:09 region in her 200 br the past couple of ncaas & pac12s, her best being a 2:09.16 from the 2014 uga invite. so v. encouraging to see her achieve a new pb of 2:08.64 tonight :beer:
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It's been pointed out in passing, but worth noting again how underrated Maddie was in recruiting, especially when her relay value is taken into account. Keaton's versatilty shines through too.

Robin will be a very valuable addition next season. Plug and play on the 800 and 400 Free relays. Other than adapting to SCYs, question will be if she has the range to move down to the 50 Free or up to the 500.

Don't necessarily need another 800 Free relay leg, but a mystery transfer or international recruit who's a potential 500/400 IM/1650 scorer would fit just fine.

Different events, but Celina will be missed. 400 IMers are undervalued despite being able to take on a bunch of tough thankless swims (400 IM, 500 Free, 200 back/breast/fly).
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not to take any attention away from the wpolo men celebrating their massive nattys champs title after handily defeating #1 trojans in ot @ spieker just now lol, ... but back to the w swimming, here are a couple of writeups on day 3 of the uga invite:

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Bears Come Home Victorious In Georgia



https://t.co/UfM1fzAl96

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2016 Georgia Invite: Baker’s 1:49 Victory in 200 Back Highlights Day 3 Finals



https://swimswam.com/2016-georgia-invite-bakers-149-victory-200-back-highlights-day-3-finals/

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btw a mite peeved at how these 2 articles below are lauding the dawgs & horns as legit & serious contenders v. the furdettes for the national title this season based on their recent invite showings, but nary a mention of our bears.

Texas Invitational: Longhorns Make National Statement
https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/texas-invitational-longhorns-make-national-statement/

Georgia Women Have What They Need to Make Another Run
https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/georgia-women-have-what-they-need-to-make-another-run/

on 2nd thoughts might not be that bad a thing if the press throws the 3 aforementioned teams in the spotlight whilst undervalued cal goes quietly in as underdogs...

meanwhile other top teams such as uva shouldn't be so readily dismissed either... think the cavs were missing 2 of their key players at this meet, and had mentioned that they were playing around with less rest than usual for this invite...

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NCAA swim rankings after this weekend

50 Free - 2. Abbey 10. Farida 16. Amy 19. Val 39. Maddie
100 Free - 2. Abbey 7. Farida 27. Val 33. Amy 35. Maddie

This is a very solid quintet for our Bears. This bodes well for the 200 and 400 Free relays. Maddie will probably swim a leg on prelims. Smoliga is ranked number 1 in both events, but as UAC mentioned, Simone will the bigger rival for Abbey in March.

200 Free - 21. Amy 24. KV 26. Katie 38. Keaton
500 Free - 10. Katie
1650 Free - zero

Our middle and long distance was expected to be weak, and it shows. Katie really needs to perform here, or we may be shut out in three events. Amy and Keaton are likely doing the 100 Back over the 200 Free.

100 Back - 1. Amy 7. Kathleen 22. Keaton
200 Back - 1. Lil Bean 2. Billy 31. Keets

Easily our strongest events. Keaton may not score in the NCAA yet, but she is close. We arguably have the top two back strokers in the country right now.

100 Fly - 1. Noemie 4. Farida 10. Kathleen! 12. Maddie 26. Katie 42. Abbey
200 Fly - 4. Nono 19. Celina 21. Katie

No way Kathleen chooses the 100 Fly over the 100 Back, and I doubt she pulls a Bootsma and swims both, especially when we need her in the 200 IM and 200 Back. We really need Katie to heal and slowly get stronger. Time drops for her here would be huge. Looks like she might do the 200 Free over the 100 Fly.

100 Breast - 26. Marina 38. Abbey
200 Breast - 8. Marina

Most likely no points in the 100 Breast, but more important that Abbey and Marina perform in the Medley relays.

200 IM - 2. Kathleen 12. Celina 20. Keaton
400 IM - 12. Celina

Keaton is so close to scoring in all three of her events (200 IM, 100 Back, 200 Back). Hoping to see time drops at NCAAs. We are going to be hurting in these events when Celina graduates.

200 Free - 1. Cal
400 Free - 2. Cal
800 Free - 3. Cal
200 Med - 2. Cal
400 Med - 1. Cal

Still projecting to finish a distant second overall. Just too weak in the middle and long distance frees, and Breast.
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Hey tedbear - cheers for the stats & rankings breakdown! Was going to post something similar now that I'm back from my trip, so really appreciate your having saved me the time to compile all the info haha :cheer
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BearDevil;842773118 said:


2017 Bears don't have enough overall depth (breast, middle distance, distance, diving) to take down the furdette juggernaut, but Teri's crafty and can move a whole lot of versatile pieces around to her advantage.

Relays are in much better shape now than at this point last year. Four for four in A cuts and not getting one in the 400 Free would be an upset/surprise. Teri can tinker with line ups during the PAC season and go for seeds at PACs, but relay qualification is a non-issue.

Would be nice to have more individual A cuts, but high Bs are functionally equivalent. With her ideal relay teams virtually already safely in, wouldn't expect Teri to go all out in dual meet season. A few losses along the way may push down some BS rankings, but duals are relatively meaningless. Train hard all the way until NCAAs. Rest Hull, Mau, CM, and Chenoa and tweak some seeds at PACs, but let it all ride at NCAAs. Would be nice to get Phoebe in to build for the future in diving too. Admittedly didn't see the team coming together this well, but Teri's won titles for a reason and the team's in very good shape at this point.


[COLOR="#006699"]Some really great points made by BD (including other sections of your post not included in the above quoted excerpt)! :beer:

I personally would vote most enthusiastically for the [COLOR="#000000"]"Train hard all the way until NCAAs"[/COLOR] advice!

So what if we (may) lose a couple of duals to the furdettes and trojanettes this season (quite likely in the first instance regardless tbh), even concede the Pac-12 crown to either...

Now that doesn't mean cruising it at all in any of these competitions even with regards to the relatively meaningless dual meets lol But those of the team who are already safely in for the big dance shouldn't imo let up on their training for Pac-12s, just instead use conference as a massive training meet if a rather high profile one to sharpen & correct all the little technical details in an intense racing environment, so that they are physically & mentally ready to give it their very best at NCAAs (instead of Pac-12s aka last season).

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[U]PDF results[/U] for Day 2 & 3:

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http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/calberk.sidearmsports.com/documents/2016/12/4/uga_fall_invite_sunday_finals_results.pdf[/INDENT]

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Oh here are the press releases from Cal, UGA, UVa & FSU on the [U]2016 Georgia Fall Invite[/U].

UM's write-up can be found here: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/w-swim/recaps/120416aaa.html
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[COLOR="#000080"][SIZE=5]California Claims Georgia Invitational Crowns[/SIZE][/COLOR]


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https://www.collegeswimming.com/news/2016/dec/04/california-claims-georgia-invitational-crowns/


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Some massive shifts in CollegeSwimming's team rankings in the aftermath of the 2 major invites over the weekend, as to be expected:
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[INDENT]1. [COLOR="#B22222"]Stanford[/COLOR] - Ohio State Invitational - 911.83
2. [COLOR="#DAA520"]California[/COLOR] - Georgia Invitational - 904.21 [COLOR="#006699"](#15 just a few days ago!)[/COLOR]
3. Georgia - Georgia Invitational - 881.52
4. Texas - Texas Invitational - 879.21
5. Texas A & M - Art Adamson Invitational - 872.76
6. Southern California - Texas Invitational - 870.35
7. Virginia - Georgia Invitational - 868.38
8. Arizona - Texas Invitational - 862.97
9. Michigan - Georgia Invitational - 853.41
10. NC State - NC State/GAC Invitational - 852.35
11. Missouri - Missouri Invitational - 848.17
12. Kentucky - Ohio State Invitational - 842.14
13. Wisconsin - Texas Invitational - 837.45
14. Minnesota - AT&T Winter Championships - 833.03
15. North Carolina - NC State/GAC Invitational - 830.00
16. Louisville - Louisville Invitational - 826.52
17. Florida State - Georgia Invitational - 825.10
18. Ohio State - Ohio State Invitational - 824.07
19. Auburn - Georgia Tech Invitational - 821.24
20. UCLA - Texas Invitational - 821.14
21. Indiana - AT&T Winter Championships - 820.35
22. Denver - Texas Invitational - 813.86
23. Louisiana State - Art Adamson Invitational - 808.90
24. Duke - NC State/GAC Invitational - 807.24
25. Florida - Georgia Tech Invitational - 802.62

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In terms of missing swimmers from the top teams..other than Leah Smith (women) & Maxime Rodney (Men) were there any other impact swimmers that did not swim at this meet? Cal pretty well were 'all hands on deck'.
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OBear073akaSMFan;842773674 said:

In terms of missing swimmers from the top teams..other than Leah Smith (women) & Maxime Rodney (Men) were there any other impact swimmers that did not swim at this meet? Cal pretty well were 'all hands on deck'.


Cal men were without Long Gutierrez and Matt Josa.
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BearDevil;842773757 said:

Cal men were without Long Gutierrez and Matt Josa.


Oops. Thanks forgot. I guess been concentrating mainly on Cal's women team.
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Ha BD had beaten me to it re Long & Matt on the men's side (Josa will be competing for us starting next semester).

Perhaps not quite the calibre of impact players as Leah Smith, but the Mich Wolverines did race without Clara Smiddy (USA) + breaststrokers Jamie Yeung (HKG) & Samantha Yeo (SIN). All 3 are repping their respective countries @ SC Worlds starting tomorrow. Oh, also missing their diver, Kristen Hayden who was @ the FINA World Jr diving champs. Smiddy's best this season thus far is a 1:54.33, ranking her @ #27 nationally in the [U]200 Back[/U].

Think another UVa swimmer on their women's team was absent besides Leah, can't recall the name rn tho...

As previously mentioned, Bears didn't have our divers at this invite, unlike the other teams.
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UrsusArctosCalifornicus;842773774 said:

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As previously mentioned, Bears didn't have our divers at this invite, unlike the other teams.
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thanks. Wonder why? I know our divers went to the Texas invite and is scheduled for the UCLA swim & dive in Jan. Also don't think divers go to Hawaii either. Thought it would be good bonding btw swimmers and divers.
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tedbear;842773634 said:

NCAA swim rankings after this weekend

50 Free - 2. Abbey 10. Farida 16. Amy 19. Val 39. Maddie
100 Free - 2. Abbey 7. Farida 27. Val 33. Amy 35. Maddie

This is a very solid quintet for our Bears. This bodes well for the 200 and 400 Free relays. Maddie will probably swim a leg on prelims. Smoliga is ranked number 1 in both events, but as UAC mentioned, Simone will the bigger rival for Abbey in March.

200 Free - 21. Amy 24. KV 26. Katie 38. Keaton
500 Free - 10. Katie
1650 Free - zero

Our middle and long distance was expected to be weak, and it shows. Katie really needs to perform here, or we may be shut out in three events. Amy and Keaton are likely doing the 100 Back over the 200 Free.

100 Back - 1. Amy 7. Kathleen 22. Keaton
200 Back - 1. Lil Bean 2. Billy 31. Keets

Easily our strongest events. Keaton may not score in the NCAA yet, but she is close. We arguably have the top two back strokers in the country right now.

100 Fly - 1. Noemie 4. Farida 10. Kathleen! 12. Maddie 26. Katie 42. Abbey
200 Fly - 4. Nono 19. Celina 21. Katie

No way Kathleen chooses the 100 Fly over the 100 Back, and I doubt she pulls a Bootsma and swims both, especially when we need her in the 200 IM and 200 Back. We really need Katie to heal and slowly get stronger. Time drops for her here would be huge. Looks like she might do the 200 Free over the 100 Fly.

100 Breast - 26. Marina 38. Abbey
200 Breast - 8. Marina

Most likely no points in the 100 Breast, but more important that Abbey and Marina perform in the Medley relays.

200 IM - 2. Kathleen 12. Celina 20. Keaton
400 IM - 12. Celina

Keaton is so close to scoring in all three of her events (200 IM, 100 Back, 200 Back). Hoping to see time drops at NCAAs. We are going to be hurting in these events when Celina graduates.

200 Free - 1. Cal
400 Free - 2. Cal
800 Free - 3. Cal
200 Med - 2. Cal
400 Med - 1. Cal

Still projecting to finish a distant second overall. Just too weak in the middle and long distance frees, and Breast.


Thanks for the analysis, tedbear. Great relays and despite well documented flaws, an NCAA champion most years.

For obear: Forgot about Connor Green (thanks bb).

Hull's safely in via the 100 Free, so no need to taper her before NCAAs. Get McL heathy and rest Mau, CM, and Chenoa a bit before PACs, but all the other NCAA swimmers shouldn't taper before NCAAs. Don't really need to worry about relay seeds, but Teri should figure out which relay combos work best during duals.

No Tennessee in the rankings? Erstwhile Cal recruit Meghan Small could help the 2018 Bears (Both IMs, 200 Free, 800 Relay, 200 Back).
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BearDevil;842773827 said:

Erstwhile Cal recruit Meghan Small could help the 2018 Bears (Both IMs, 200 Free, 800 Relay, 200 Back).


I also have been thinking about which recruit that we missed on that would be the most helpful for this team, and after considering SBH and Hannah Cox, I came to the conclusion that Kirsten Vose, both breasts, 100 Free, and 200 Free, was the biggest loss. I bet she could do the IMs too, although I have no evidence.
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tedbear;842773838 said:

I also have been thinking about which recruit that we missed on that would be the most helpful for this team, and after considering SBH and Hannah Cox, I came to the conclusion that Kirsten Vose, both breasts, 100 Free, and 200 Free, was the biggest loss. I bet she could do the IMs too, although I have no evidence.

[COLOR="#006699"]Here's your evidence, tedbear :

Kirsten does have a 1:56.19 to her name (currently worth a #10 spot in the NCAA's [U]200 IM[/U] rankings for this season), which tops Celina & Keaton at this moment in time.

Vose's PB is 1:54.27 clocked at [U]2016 NCAAs[/U], where she had placed 3rd in finals, behind Ella & Thleen. All 3 were recruited by Teri and visited campus on the same weekend in Sept 2014.[/COLOR]
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[COLOR="#000080"][SIZE=5]Top 16 Women in Each Event Through the NCAA Midseason Break[/SIZE][/COLOR]


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[COLOR="#696969"]The Grand Inquisitor: Projected NCAA team rankings solely based on first half times:
1.Stanford, 2.California, then about 100 point scoring gap, then 3.Georgia 4. Texas 5. Virginia 6. Southern Cali 7. Arizona, 8. Texas A&M, 9. Michigan, 10. Louisville[/COLOR]


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[COLOR="#336699"][SIZE=5]7 Final Thoughts on Invite Weekend in NCAA Swimming[/SIZE][/COLOR]


The end of Sunday's finals at the Georgia Invitational marked the conclusion of another wild and quick college invite season. Some big names swam fast, others didn't, and none of that will matter in the slightest once February and March rolls around and conference and NCAA team championships are handed out.

Right now, the nation's collegiate swimmers are headed into their two favorite times of the year: final exams and Christmas training. Before that all gets out of hand, time to take stock of some of the weekend's late-arriving results.


[SIZE=3][COLOR="#336699"]2. Abbey Weitzeil is a breaststroker?[/COLOR][/SIZE]

Yes, this is the same Abbey Weitzeil that holds the American records in both the 50 and 100-yard free and swam in the Olympic final in the 100 free this summer in Rio. A sprint freestylerand a darn good one, at that.

But Saturday night, when Cal head coach Teri McKeever sent up her squads for the 200 medley relay, there was Weitzeil with the "A" squad, and she was not slated to anchor. Weitzeil split 27.07 on the breaststroke leg, the third-best split in the field and much quicker than the 27.95 that Marina Garcia split on Cal's second place 200 medley relay at last year's NCAA championships.

Weitzeil was not as impressive in the 100 breast later on in the session, finishing seventh in 1:00.98 (Garcia, for comparison, finished fourth in 1:00.55), but she does not have an obvious alternative as a third event. She swam on Cal's 800 free relay to finish off the session but faded badly on the last 50, so the 100 breast could end up being her third event by the end of the season.

Regardless, Weitzeil's 50 breast skills make her a good candidate to continue in the role of 200 medley relay anchor. With Noemie Thomas swimming well in the butterfly eventsshe posted a nation-leading 50.67 in the 100 fly Saturday eveningthat leaves Farida Osman to swim the freestyle leg. Plug in Amy Bilquist or Kathleen Baker on back, and that might be a national championship relay.


[SIZE=3][COLOR="#336699"]5. Kathleen Baker figuring out short course backstroke.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

After finishing second behind fellow freshman Ella Eastin at last year's NCAA championships, Kathleen Baker failed to make another championship final. She finished 13th in both backstroke events, events where she might have appeared a slam dunk to final and perhaps even contend for individual championships.

Even though Baker has always been a better long course backstroker than short course, it still seemed odd that the Olympic silver medalist in the 100 back finished 13th at the NCAA championships. Of course, that discrepancy just makes Baker's summer turnaround and journey to the Olympic podium all the more impressive, but there figured to be more in the tank in the short pool come college season.

Sure enough, this weekend in Athens, Baker found herself posting swift times in a yards backstroke racejust not the 100. After swimming the 100 fly Saturday instead of the 100 back, Baker performed admirably in the 200 back Sunday, topping teammate Amy Bilquist and posting a 1:49.83 that ranks tops in the country this year. Only two swimmers (the now-graduated Courtney Bartholomew and Danielle Galyer) were faster all of last season.


[SIZE=3][COLOR="#336699"]7. Freshmen spark Cal men in Athens.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

Under head coach Dave Durden, the Cal men's team has finished in the top two at the NCAA championships each of the last seven years. Nathan Adrian, Tom Shields and now Josh Prenot have come and gone, and Ryan Murphy will soon follow that trio to graduation. But the Bears keep winning, so they must be doing something right.

If this year's squad want to be in the conversation for an NCAA championship, it need big contributions from freshmen. This weekend at the Georgia Invite, that's exactly what happened. Freshman Pawel Sendyk won the 50 free in 19.10, the third-ranked time in the nation, and classmate Michael Jensen finished first in the 200 free (1:33.76) and second in the 100 free (42.75). The duo combined with returnees Murphy and Connor Hoppe to post the top time in the country in the 200 medley relay (1:23.76).

Somehow, Cal has managed to fly under the radar this season as NC State and Indiana have both beaten Texas in dual meets, and Texas has been most notable for missing Joseph Schooling and Will Licon for chunks of time. But as usual, the Bears don't lack in point-scoring potential


http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/7-final-thoughts-on-invite-weekend-in-ncaa-swimming/


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