These are a lot of words to confirm that you aren't applying rigorous analysis the way public health experts would need to in order to recommend vaccination. You have acknowledged that you are just here to point out risks of the vaccines. This is a crusade for you to create vaccine hesitancy but it's nowhere close to a balanced assessment of risk.oski003 said:Unit2Sucks said:oski003 said:Unit2Sucks said:Can you show me where the CDC "confirms" that the vaccines cause myocarditis? Linking to a RWNJ blog which relies on misleading information and rhetoric doesn't accomplish that. Is it too much to ask that you try to make accurate representations when you are presenting your agenda?oski003 said:
CDC data confirms the obvious: mRNA covid vaccines cause myocarditis.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/10/cdc-releases-stunning-data-showing-young-people-at-risk-of-heart-inflammation-from-covid-vaccine/
Here's what Reuters says:Quote:
A higher-than-expected number of young men have experienced heart inflammation after their second dose of the mRNA COVID-19 shots from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, according to data from two vaccine safety monitoring systems, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said on Thursday.
The CDC and other health regulators have been investigating heart inflammation cases after Israel's Health Ministry reported that it had found a likely link to the condition in young men who received Pfizer's (PFE.N) COVID-19 vaccine.
The agency said it is still assessing the risk from the condition and has not yet concluded that there was a causal relationship between the vaccines and cases of myocarditis or pericarditis.
While some patients required hospitalization, most have fully recovered from their symptoms, the CDC said.
EDIT: in case anyone wonders why I called his source RNWJ: Even talk radio host Mark Levin has called it a "kook site."
Get your head out of the sand. ANALYZE THE DATA AND THEN READ WHAT I WROTE. Did you graduate college? Your bias is clouding your reasoning.
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You aren't analyzing the data.
**I clearly am. The CDC data that you ignore indicates that mRNA vaccines cause myocarditis at a rate 20x higher than the general population. The younger the vaccine recipient, the greater the disparity.
All you do is provide context free FUD to create vaccine hesitancy.
**You ignore data because you do not like the source. I do not need to provide compliments with criticism, which is what you appear to expect. You don't need context here. You ask for more context as an excuse to ignore the facts I present.
You do nothing to contextualize your claims or give anyone a reason to evaluate your agenda in light of all of the available data.
**See response above and the data I provided.
Your core claim left seems to be that you think MRNA vaccines cause myocarditis in some people and that myocarditis is scary.
**That is fair. A covid outbreak is scary too. I have never minimized the harm of covid 19, which you imply.
You haven't shown any data on how myocarditis resulting from vaccines impacts people. How many have died or are suffering from prolonged damage?
**I can provide several local newspaper articles and stories of such. For example, a championship soccer player just collapsed this morning on national television. He got the Pfizer vaccine a few days ago.Christian Eriksen, a perfectly fit soccer player who plays for one of the top soccer teams in the world and has the best medical attention, collapsed on the field today due to heart failure. Thanks God they were able to bring him back to life.
— GeraYaYo2 (@ya_yo2) June 12, 2021
He was given Pfizer a few days ago pic.twitter.com/AaH6SZ05AK
**U.S. mainstream media avoids compiling these stories in a meaningful way. Needless to say, MOST people that have a reported case of vaccine caused myocarditis are able to leave the hospital after 3 days, per the previously linked NY Times article.
How many would get myocarditis from COVID?
**If Covid was left uncontrolled and people partied like in was 1999, I suppose a lot would. However, I am not comparing the mRNA vaccine against letting covid run unchecked. I am comparing it to other preventative measures including, but not limited to, safer vaccines.
How many develop it without vaccines or COVID?
**Look at the actual data instead of bashing the site who published the CDC data. You might learn something.
Without this critical comparative information, all you have is your shrill scare tactics.
**You ignore data.
You seem to be broadcasting that you aren't going to vaccinate your kids due to the potential risk of myocarditis which seems to be perhaps 1 in 5,000 with the vast majority mild cases with quick resolution. That's fine for you, but most people aren't limiting their decision matrix to avoiding one potential outcome without evaluating the alternatives.
** I actually evaluate alternatives. You do not.
Most people will want to consider the probability weighted risks all in from COVID and the all in risks from a vaccine. That sort of comprehensive analysis is what public health professionals and physicians are doing. You are ignoring everything to focus on one single risk factor because you are agenda driven.
**You are ignoring everything because you have your mind made up that mRNA vaccination is the answer. I am open-minded enough that I got the mRNA vax but can still criticize it.
I'd you don't want to come off as an agenda-driven quack, you can start by avoiding completely ridiculous websites like conservative treehouse and by sharing balanced information that people might actually consider reliable and informative. But you won't do that. You will continue to mislead by dissembling and presenting misleading claims without context.
** I got the site link from a Twitter post. I got the Twitter post from a Facebook feed. I don't week out quack material. I would be open to looking at this very same data from other sources.
But please continue to pretend you are outraged that I have the temerity to question your claims.
**Just annoyed that you are narrow-minded and consider your viewpoint superior. You disappoint me.
I heard a doctor on TV yesterday questioning whether we know enough to recommend vaccination of 11 and under at this point. He said they will continue to evaluate the data as it comes in. So long as our public health apparatus is not unduly influenced by politics, I trust the system to do what's best.
I hope that my kids never contract myocarditis, pericarditis, MIS-C or any other conditions associated with COVID. I don't know to what extent the vaccine will ultimately be determined to have a causal link to a y meaningful side effects and believe that the data will ultimately be comprehensively evaluated so that we can be provided with the best info to make a decision. Your biased view, amplified by wacko conspiracy theory websites like conservative treehouse, is far from what we need to make decisions.
