I spent the week at Lair of the Bear and looks like I missed a lot, most notably the continued rise of Delta and Delta + variants, which are extremely concerning.oski003 said:The evidence for this catastrophe is contained in a study done in Japan on the Pfizer vaccine. The nanoparticles were discovered in large concentrations in the ovaries, bone marrow & lymph nodes.https://t.co/dg7J62ku7d
— Emerald Robinson ✝️ (@EmeraldRobinson) June 24, 2021
Japanese study about the spread of mRNA particles past the localized area whereas the allegedly toxic PEG and spike protein get to the kidneys, ovaries, etc...
Unit2Sucks said:I spent the week at Lair of the Bear and looks like I missed a lot, most notably the continued rise of Delta and Delta + variants, which are extremely concerning.oski003 said:The evidence for this catastrophe is contained in a study done in Japan on the Pfizer vaccine. The nanoparticles were discovered in large concentrations in the ovaries, bone marrow & lymph nodes.https://t.co/dg7J62ku7d
— Emerald Robinson ✝️ (@EmeraldRobinson) June 24, 2021
Japanese study about the spread of mRNA particles past the localized area whereas the allegedly toxic PEG and spike protein get to the kidneys, ovaries, etc...
I guess you've moved on from doom and glooming myocarditis to just generalized right wing nut job anti-vax conspiracy theories. This theory has been debunked before (I think in this thread?) and yet you resurface it in a tweet from a NewsMax "journalist".
You love pointing out potentially scary sounding things, but have yet to find anything that would make a public health expert consider an MRNA vaccine to be worse than the alternative. With the rise of Delta and Delta + variants worldwide, and soon in the US, it's likely that the value of the vaccines we have now will only rise. The vaccines are less effective against D+, but I'll take 80% effectiveness (with scary sounding but statistically insignificant long-term side effects) over 0% and hoping for the best.
The sad thing is that the sorts of people who are most likely to fall for this anti-vax FUD are also the types who don't think they need to wear masks or socially distance so they are most likely to become infected and suffer long-term consequences from COVID.
Big C said:Unit2Sucks said:I spent the week at Lair of the Bear and looks like I missed a lot, most notably the continued rise of Delta and Delta + variants, which are extremely concerning.oski003 said:The evidence for this catastrophe is contained in a study done in Japan on the Pfizer vaccine. The nanoparticles were discovered in large concentrations in the ovaries, bone marrow & lymph nodes.https://t.co/dg7J62ku7d
— Emerald Robinson ✝️ (@EmeraldRobinson) June 24, 2021
Japanese study about the spread of mRNA particles past the localized area whereas the allegedly toxic PEG and spike protein get to the kidneys, ovaries, etc...
I guess you've moved on from doom and glooming myocarditis to just generalized right wing nut job anti-vax conspiracy theories. This theory has been debunked before (I think in this thread?) and yet you resurface it in a tweet from a NewsMax "journalist".
You love pointing out potentially scary sounding things, but have yet to find anything that would make a public health expert consider an MRNA vaccine to be worse than the alternative. With the rise of Delta and Delta + variants worldwide, and soon in the US, it's likely that the value of the vaccines we have now will only rise. The vaccines are less effective against D+, but I'll take 80% effectiveness (with scary sounding but statistically insignificant long-term side effects) over 0% and hoping for the best.
The sad thing is that the sorts of people who are most likely to fall for this anti-vax FUD are also the types who don't think they need to wear masks or socially distance so they are most likely to become infected and suffer long-term consequences from COVID.
Not trying to hijack this thread (well, maybe just a little), but how was the Lair? We'll be there in four weeks!
oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:1. I said that i did not know whether the vaccine had the same effectiveness against the D1 Variant as it did against the original strain, my comments were that even assuming 95% effectiveness, we should expect that some percentage of vaccinated individuals would be infected by COVID. if you know the effectiveness of the current vaccine against the D1 Variant, please enlighten us.oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:oski003 said:
Increase in infections in Israel despite mass vaccinations. Indoor mask rules reinstated. Half of those sick had been vaccinated by Pfizer.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326
The vaccines are only 95% effective against the original strain of COVID. They are reportedly effective against the D1 variant. But I have not seen any reports whether that effectiveness is 95% or less.
In any event, we can expect that some number of the vaccinated will be included among those infected during a spike.
The larger the absolute number of vaccinated, the larger will be the absolute number of vaccinated who will be infected during a spike.
That fact is not a criticism of the vaccines. It is merely a mathematical conclusion.
It is logical to criticize the vaccine for a design that loses significant effectiveness against variants. It is also logical to factor in Delta effectiveness in risk/reward mRNA vaccine analysis, especially since the Delta variant will be the dominant US variant by the fall.
If you read the WSJ article I posted about Israel and breakthrough covid from Delta strain, you would be enlightened. Nvax is 96% against original strain and 55% against South African strain. Moderna was offered a large grant to test effectiveness against South Africa strain and rejected it. They have only shown immunogenicity against SA strain in a lab, and it is significantly less than 95%, despite the biased setting. I doubt effectiveness against Delta strain is in the 90s.
2. You say, "It is logical to criticize the vaccine for a design that loses significant effectiveness against variants." However you ignore that the current vaccine is more or less effective against many of the Variants being experienced in the world. So obviously, some effort was made to make a more broadly effective vaccine.
I never said no effort was made to make a more broadly effective vaccine. Your logic here does not cut the mustard.
3, You also say, "It is also logical to factor in Delta effectiveness in risk/reward mRNA vaccine analysis, especially since the Delta variant will be the dominant US variant by the fall." Unless you know Marty McFly and have access to his time machine, it appears more than a little unfair to criticize the vaccine developers for failing to foresee the evolution of the D1 Variant and with that foresight understand how that Variant operates and how to develop an appropriate defense. These vaccines were developed very quickly but they weren't developed overnight.
Again, your logic does not cut the mustard. I am not criticizing spike protein vaccine scientists. I am criticizing the actual vaccine. I am criticizing the FDA/OWS/NIH/politics for having only three vaccines available, all spike protein based off the original variant, one of which was halted in trials for the same condition it was halted after EUA and European countries won't touch it with a ten foot pool.
Perhaps your criticism is better focused on the individuals who are resisting vaccination. It is a well known fact that the Variants arise from mutations that increase the longer the original strain of Covid spreads through the host population. The more people there are that contract Covid (or one of the Variants), the more mutations there will be. one good way to fight further mutations is to "Get the **** shot."
Fine. Let's force vaccination on everyone in the U.S. and close the border for five years. I am being a bit facetious here. In reality, if we could kill it by vaccinating everyone around the same time, it would be great. Perhaps, we should ship Pfizer and Moderna to Mexico, so their adults could get vaccinated.
However, what we really need are SAFE VACCINES that give protection against severe disease that we will likely boost annually, like a flu shot. Btw, vaccine survival causes variants as well.
GivemTheAxe said:oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:1. I said that i did not know whether the vaccine had the same effectiveness against the D1 Variant as it did against the original strain, my comments were that even assuming 95% effectiveness, we should expect that some percentage of vaccinated individuals would be infected by COVID. if you know the effectiveness of the current vaccine against the D1 Variant, please enlighten us.oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:oski003 said:
Increase in infections in Israel despite mass vaccinations. Indoor mask rules reinstated. Half of those sick had been vaccinated by Pfizer.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326
The vaccines are only 95% effective against the original strain of COVID. They are reportedly effective against the D1 variant. But I have not seen any reports whether that effectiveness is 95% or less.
In any event, we can expect that some number of the vaccinated will be included among those infected during a spike.
The larger the absolute number of vaccinated, the larger will be the absolute number of vaccinated who will be infected during a spike.
That fact is not a criticism of the vaccines. It is merely a mathematical conclusion.
It is logical to criticize the vaccine for a design that loses significant effectiveness against variants. It is also logical to factor in Delta effectiveness in risk/reward mRNA vaccine analysis, especially since the Delta variant will be the dominant US variant by the fall.
If you read the WSJ article I posted about Israel and breakthrough covid from Delta strain, you would be enlightened. Nvax is 96% against original strain and 55% against South African strain. Moderna was offered a large grant to test effectiveness against South Africa strain and rejected it. They have only shown immunogenicity against SA strain in a lab, and it is significantly less than 95%, despite the biased setting. I doubt effectiveness against Delta strain is in the 90s.
2. You say, "It is logical to criticize the vaccine for a design that loses significant effectiveness against variants." However you ignore that the current vaccine is more or less effective against many of the Variants being experienced in the world. So obviously, some effort was made to make a more broadly effective vaccine.
I never said no effort was made to make a more broadly effective vaccine. Your logic here does not cut the mustard.
3, You also say, "It is also logical to factor in Delta effectiveness in risk/reward mRNA vaccine analysis, especially since the Delta variant will be the dominant US variant by the fall." Unless you know Marty McFly and have access to his time machine, it appears more than a little unfair to criticize the vaccine developers for failing to foresee the evolution of the D1 Variant and with that foresight understand how that Variant operates and how to develop an appropriate defense. These vaccines were developed very quickly but they weren't developed overnight.
Again, your logic does not cut the mustard. I am not criticizing spike protein vaccine scientists. I am criticizing the actual vaccine. I am criticizing the FDA/OWS/NIH/politics for having only three vaccines available, all spike protein based off the original variant, one of which was halted in trials for the same condition it was halted after EUA and European countries won't touch it with a ten foot pool.
Perhaps your criticism is better focused on the individuals who are resisting vaccination. It is a well known fact that the Variants arise from mutations that increase the longer the original strain of Covid spreads through the host population. The more people there are that contract Covid (or one of the Variants), the more mutations there will be. one good way to fight further mutations is to "Get the **** shot."
Fine. Let's force vaccination on everyone in the U.S. and close the border for five years. I am being a bit facetious here. In reality, if we could kill it by vaccinating everyone around the same time, it would be great. Perhaps, we should ship Pfizer and Moderna to Mexico, so their adults could get vaccinated.
However, what we really need are SAFE VACCINES that give protection against severe disease that we will likely boost annually, like a flu shot. Btw, vaccine survival causes variants as well.
Yes we need safe vaccines. But let's not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.
Let's not forget that the original strain of COVID was killing thousands of people in the US each week.
CDC reports that the US weekly provisional death rate was 25,759 the week of 1-9-21 and 25,283 the week of 1-16-21.
With good reason the manufacturers were pushing hard to develop their vaccines and then get them into the public AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. Every week of delay meant 25,000+ more dead in the US.
(FYI the US provisional death rate was 1,330 the week of 6-12-21 and 611 the week of 6-12-21.
I for one am very happy that the manufacturers did not delay their vaccines until it would defeat every possible variant (even if that were possible).
Repeating my earlier analogy. I was much more afraid of the lion that I knew was downstairs in my house. Than I was of the lion that might be in the backyard of the house across the street.
Case report of vaccine-induced thrombosis with thrombocytopenia (VITT) after an mRNA vaccine and an excellent review of this exceedingly rare occurrence, 1st case in hundreds of millions of doses of this vaccine typehttps://t.co/I3NOW9v1oihttps://t.co/uw1AV49Ozh@AnnalsofIM pic.twitter.com/OkJxJaovDd
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) June 28, 2021
Chapman_is_Gone said:
Meet me in the Dwinelle parking lot at 3pm tomorrow. We'll see who doesn't have ovaries.
Chapman_is_Gone said:
Meet me in the Dwinelle parking lot at 3pm tomorrow. We'll see who doesn't have ovaries.
oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:1. I said that i did not know whether the vaccine had the same effectiveness against the D1 Variant as it did against the original strain, my comments were that even assuming 95% effectiveness, we should expect that some percentage of vaccinated individuals would be infected by COVID. if you know the effectiveness of the current vaccine against the D1 Variant, please enlighten us.oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:oski003 said:
Increase in infections in Israel despite mass vaccinations. Indoor mask rules reinstated. Half of those sick had been vaccinated by Pfizer.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326
The vaccines are only 95% effective against the original strain of COVID. They are reportedly effective against the D1 variant. But I have not seen any reports whether that effectiveness is 95% or less.
In any event, we can expect that some number of the vaccinated will be included among those infected during a spike.
The larger the absolute number of vaccinated, the larger will be the absolute number of vaccinated who will be infected during a spike.
That fact is not a criticism of the vaccines. It is merely a mathematical conclusion.
It is logical to criticize the vaccine for a design that loses significant effectiveness against variants. It is also logical to factor in Delta effectiveness in risk/reward mRNA vaccine analysis, especially since the Delta variant will be the dominant US variant by the fall.
If you read the WSJ article I posted about Israel and breakthrough covid from Delta strain, you would be enlightened. Nvax is 96% against original strain and 55% against South African strain. Moderna was offered a large grant to test effectiveness against South Africa strain and rejected it. They have only shown immunogenicity against SA strain in a lab, and it is significantly less than 95%, despite the biased setting. I doubt effectiveness against Delta strain is in the 90s.
2. You say, "It is logical to criticize the vaccine for a design that loses significant effectiveness against variants." However you ignore that the current vaccine is more or less effective against many of the Variants being experienced in the world. So obviously, some effort was made to make a more broadly effective vaccine.
I never said no effort was made to make a more broadly effective vaccine. Your logic here does not cut the mustard.
3, You also say, "It is also logical to factor in Delta effectiveness in risk/reward mRNA vaccine analysis, especially since the Delta variant will be the dominant US variant by the fall." Unless you know Marty McFly and have access to his time machine, it appears more than a little unfair to criticize the vaccine developers for failing to foresee the evolution of the D1 Variant and with that foresight understand how that Variant operates and how to develop an appropriate defense. These vaccines were developed very quickly but they weren't developed overnight.
Again, your logic does not cut the mustard. I am not criticizing spike protein vaccine scientists. I am criticizing the actual vaccine. I am criticizing the FDA/OWS/NIH/politics for having only three vaccines available, all spike protein based off the original variant, one of which was halted in trials for the same condition it was halted after EUA and European countries won't touch it with a ten foot pool.
Perhaps your criticism is better focused on the individuals who are resisting vaccination. It is a well known fact that the Variants arise from mutations that increase the longer the original strain of Covid spreads through the host population. The more people there are that contract Covid (or one of the Variants), the more mutations there will be. one good way to fight further mutations is to "Get the **** shot."
Fine. Let's force vaccination on everyone in the U.S. and close the border for five years. I am being a bit facetious here. In reality, if we could kill it by vaccinating everyone around the same time, it would be great. Perhaps, we should ship Pfizer and Moderna to Mexico, so their adults could get vaccinated.
However, what we really need are SAFE VACCINES that give protection against severe disease that we will likely boost annually, like a flu shot. Btw, vaccine survival causes variants as well.
Yes we need safe vaccines. But let's not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.
Let's not forget that the original strain of COVID was killing thousands of people in the US each week.
CDC reports that the US weekly provisional death rate was 25,759 the week of 1-9-21 and 25,283 the week of 1-16-21.
With good reason the manufacturers were pushing hard to develop their vaccines and then get them into the public AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. Every week of delay meant 25,000+ more dead in the US.
(FYI the US provisional death rate was 1,330 the week of 6-12-21 and 611 the week of 6-12-21.
I for one am very happy that the manufacturers did not delay their vaccines until it would defeat every possible variant (even if that were possible).
Repeating my earlier analogy. I was much more afraid of the lion that I knew was downstairs in my house. Than I was of the lion that might be in the backyard of the house across the street.
A stopgap vaccine is better than no vaccine. Hopefully, the US is supporting other vaccine techs and just being quiet about it.
Despite anti-vaxxer alarmism to the contrary, there have been indications that the MRNA protection will be quite durable and possibly permanent.GivemTheAxe said:oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:1. I said that i did not know whether the vaccine had the same effectiveness against the D1 Variant as it did against the original strain, my comments were that even assuming 95% effectiveness, we should expect that some percentage of vaccinated individuals would be infected by COVID. if you know the effectiveness of the current vaccine against the D1 Variant, please enlighten us.oski003 said:GivemTheAxe said:oski003 said:
Increase in infections in Israel despite mass vaccinations. Indoor mask rules reinstated. Half of those sick had been vaccinated by Pfizer.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326
The vaccines are only 95% effective against the original strain of COVID. They are reportedly effective against the D1 variant. But I have not seen any reports whether that effectiveness is 95% or less.
In any event, we can expect that some number of the vaccinated will be included among those infected during a spike.
The larger the absolute number of vaccinated, the larger will be the absolute number of vaccinated who will be infected during a spike.
That fact is not a criticism of the vaccines. It is merely a mathematical conclusion.
It is logical to criticize the vaccine for a design that loses significant effectiveness against variants. It is also logical to factor in Delta effectiveness in risk/reward mRNA vaccine analysis, especially since the Delta variant will be the dominant US variant by the fall.
If you read the WSJ article I posted about Israel and breakthrough covid from Delta strain, you would be enlightened. Nvax is 96% against original strain and 55% against South African strain. Moderna was offered a large grant to test effectiveness against South Africa strain and rejected it. They have only shown immunogenicity against SA strain in a lab, and it is significantly less than 95%, despite the biased setting. I doubt effectiveness against Delta strain is in the 90s.
2. You say, "It is logical to criticize the vaccine for a design that loses significant effectiveness against variants." However you ignore that the current vaccine is more or less effective against many of the Variants being experienced in the world. So obviously, some effort was made to make a more broadly effective vaccine.
I never said no effort was made to make a more broadly effective vaccine. Your logic here does not cut the mustard.
3, You also say, "It is also logical to factor in Delta effectiveness in risk/reward mRNA vaccine analysis, especially since the Delta variant will be the dominant US variant by the fall." Unless you know Marty McFly and have access to his time machine, it appears more than a little unfair to criticize the vaccine developers for failing to foresee the evolution of the D1 Variant and with that foresight understand how that Variant operates and how to develop an appropriate defense. These vaccines were developed very quickly but they weren't developed overnight.
Again, your logic does not cut the mustard. I am not criticizing spike protein vaccine scientists. I am criticizing the actual vaccine. I am criticizing the FDA/OWS/NIH/politics for having only three vaccines available, all spike protein based off the original variant, one of which was halted in trials for the same condition it was halted after EUA and European countries won't touch it with a ten foot pool.
Perhaps your criticism is better focused on the individuals who are resisting vaccination. It is a well known fact that the Variants arise from mutations that increase the longer the original strain of Covid spreads through the host population. The more people there are that contract Covid (or one of the Variants), the more mutations there will be. one good way to fight further mutations is to "Get the **** shot."
Fine. Let's force vaccination on everyone in the U.S. and close the border for five years. I am being a bit facetious here. In reality, if we could kill it by vaccinating everyone around the same time, it would be great. Perhaps, we should ship Pfizer and Moderna to Mexico, so their adults could get vaccinated.
However, what we really need are SAFE VACCINES that give protection against severe disease that we will likely boost annually, like a flu shot. Btw, vaccine survival causes variants as well.
Yes we need safe vaccines. But let's not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.
Let's not forget that the original strain of COVID was killing thousands of people in the US each week.
CDC reports that the US weekly provisional death rate was 25,759 the week of 1-9-21 and 25,283 the week of 1-16-21.
With good reason the manufacturers were pushing hard to develop their vaccines and then get them into the public AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. Every week of delay meant 25,000+ more dead in the US.
(FYI the US provisional death rate was 1,330 the week of 6-12-21 and 611 the week of 6-12-21.
I for one am very happy that the manufacturers did not delay their vaccines until it would defeat every possible variant (even if that were possible).
Repeating my earlier analogy. I was much more afraid of the lion that I knew was downstairs in my house. Than I was of the lion that might be in the backyard of the house across the street.
A stopgap vaccine is better than no vaccine. Hopefully, the US is supporting other vaccine techs and just being quiet about it.
In one interview in the past month or so. Dr. Fauci said he thought that people in the US would probably have to receive updated booster shots to deal with the new variants periodically (annually?). In
Much the same way we receive an annual flu shot to deal with the new strain of flu.
Obviously I don't have any scientific basis to speculate as to how things will turn out but at this point, the news has been quite positive regarding the effectiveness of the MRNA vaccines relative to J&J and other options.Quote:
The vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna set off a persistent immune reaction in the body that may protect against the coronavirus for years, scientists reported on Monday.
The findings add to growing evidence that most people immunized with the mRNA vaccines may not need boosters, so long as the virus and its variants do not evolve much beyond their current forms which is not guaranteed. People who recovered from Covid-19 before being vaccinated may not need boosters even if the virus does make a significant transformation.
"It's a good sign for how durable our immunity is from this vaccine," said Ali Ellebedy, an immunologist at Washington University in St. Louis who led the study, which was published in the journal Nature.
The study did not consider the coronavirus vaccine made by Johnson & Johnson, but Dr. Ellebedy said he expected the immune response to be less durable than that produced by mRNA vaccines.
Dr. Ellebedy and his colleagues reported last month that in people who survived Covid-19, immune cells that recognize the virus lie quiescent in the bone marrow for at least eight months after infection. A study by another team indicated that so-called memory B cells continue to mature and strengthen for at least a year after infection.
Based on those findings, researchers suggested that immunity might last for years, possibly a lifetime, in people who were infected with the coronavirus and later vaccinated. But it was unclear whether vaccination alone might have a similarly long-lasting effect.
Quote:
Moderna Provides a Clinical Update on the Neutralizing Activity of its COVID-19 Vaccine on Emerging Variants Including the Delta Variant First Identified in India
[Moderna] today announced new results from in vitro neutralization studies of sera from individuals vaccinated with the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine showing activity against variants of SARS-CoV-2. Vaccination with the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine produced neutralizing titers against all variants tested, including additional versions of the Beta variant (B.1.351, first identified in South Africa), three lineage variants of B.1.617 (first identified in India), including the Kappa (B.1.617.1) and the Delta variants (B.1.617.2); the Eta variant (B.1.525, first identified in Nigeria); and the A.23.1 and A.VOI.V2 variants first identified in Uganda and Angola, respectively. These data were submitted as a preprint to bioRxiv.
🚨In a new piece, I lay out and explore 3 principles that now define the pandemic.
— Ed Yong (@edyong209) July 1, 2021
1) The vaccines are still beating the variants.
2) The variants are pummelling unvaccinated people.
3) The longer 2 continues, the less likely 1 will hold. https://t.co/T7izwOXWgA
Quote:
The discussion about vaccine-beating variants echoes the early debates about whether SARS-CoV-2 would go pandemic. "We don't think too well as a society about low-probability events that have far-reaching consequences," Majumder told me. "We need to prepare for a future where we are doing vaccine rollout again, and we need to figure out how to do that better." In the meantime, even highly vaccinated nations should continue investing in other measures that can control COVID-19 but have been inadequately usedimproved ventilation, widespread rapid tests, smarter contact tracing, better masks, places in which sick people can isolate, and policies like paid sick leave.
The Nobel Prize winning Professor, Dr. Satoshi Ōmura, who developed #ivermectin, has been censored on YouTube. Brilliant scientists and lifesaving science are systematically being gagged. You know why. pic.twitter.com/FmU0ZGzoSI
— Frontline Covid-19 Critical Care (@Covid19Critical) July 1, 2021
Which is why we need to silence doctors and scientists who are preeminent in their fields and listen to people like Fauxi who have repeatedly lied to the American people.AunBear89 said:
I DO know why you keep ignoring Ivermectin but you don't. Your gaslighting overlords know that if there are safe, effective treatments like Ivermectin, then they cannot push their experimental, unapproved gene therapies onto the public. And btw, HCQ is not snake oil. It just has little benefit for severe Covid patients. It has been clear for many, many months that early treatment with anti-virals can save lives and slow the spread. But cheap, safe, already approved therapeutics are of no interest to the Big Pharma Industrial Complex. Go ahead, give YOUR kids the "vaccine" (remember, that's what this thread is about). And if they are permanently maimed in the process, you can take comfort in knowing that your oblation to the gods of Pfizer and Moderna has been approved by the high priests of disinformation.Unit2Sucks said:
I have no idea why you keep talking about ivermectin. If there are studies showing it to be effective in the treatment of COVID, that would be a nice addition to the existing therapeutics.
If you are suggesting that people should avoid vaccination and rely on an untested therapeutic, then I hope no one listens to you because that is dangerous advice. If you want to go get COVID and treat it with ivermectin, knock yourself out. Oxford is studying it right now and I assume that we will know within a few months whether it's a safe and effective therapeutic, like dexamethasone, or whether it's snake oil, like HCQ. The fact that you are willing to recommend an untested, unproven off-label use indicates that you think COVID-19 is something to be reckoned with, so I appreciate that aspect.
LOL, Ivermectin is an experimental, unapproved therapy for COVID.Zippergate said:I DO know why you keep ignoring Ivermectin but you don't. Your gaslighting overlords know that if there are safe, effective treatments like Ivermectin, then they cannot push their experimental, unapproved gene therapies onto the public. And btw, HCQ is not snake oil. It just has little benefit for severe Covid patients. It has been clear for many, many months that early treatment with anti-virals can save lives and slow the spread. But cheap, safe, already approved therapeutics are of no interest to the Big Pharma Industrial Complex. Go ahead, give YOUR kids the "vaccine" (remember, that's what this thread is about). And if they are permanently maimed in the process, you can take comfort in knowing that your oblation to the gods of Pfizer and Moderna has been approved by the high priests of disinformation.Unit2Sucks said:
I have no idea why you keep talking about ivermectin. If there are studies showing it to be effective in the treatment of COVID, that would be a nice addition to the existing therapeutics.
If you are suggesting that people should avoid vaccination and rely on an untested therapeutic, then I hope no one listens to you because that is dangerous advice. If you want to go get COVID and treat it with ivermectin, knock yourself out. Oxford is studying it right now and I assume that we will know within a few months whether it's a safe and effective therapeutic, like dexamethasone, or whether it's snake oil, like HCQ. The fact that you are willing to recommend an untested, unproven off-label use indicates that you think COVID-19 is something to be reckoned with, so I appreciate that aspect.
Moderna admits "mRNA detected in all examined tissues... heart, lung, testis, brain". mRNA/lipid nano particles move through body and cross blood/brain barrier.
— Dr Peter Moloney Foundation (@DrPeterMoloney) June 30, 2021
When mRNA leaks outside cells = deadly prions, which can be contagious (Mad Cow) https://t.co/ILOQADrBd6@RayArmat pic.twitter.com/gzkNRNJu0h
"Do you believe public health officials are lying about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines?"
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) July 2, 2021
1000 National American Adults-
No - 48%
Yes - 32%
Not Sure - 20% https://t.co/evpmqOWa00
In other news, AunBear89 thinks those who share opposing views are easily duped morons that will believe every crazy theory presented to them.AunBear89 said:
In other news, nearly a third of Americans are easily duped morons that will believe every crazy theory presented to them.
Nope - just pinhead anti-vaxers who think it is their right to act carelessly and spread disease.oski003 said:In other news, AunBear89 thinks those who share opposing views are easily duped morons that will believe every crazy theory presented to them.AunBear89 said:
In other news, nearly a third of Americans are easily duped morons that will believe every crazy theory presented to them.
AunBear89 said:Nope - just pinhead anti-vaxers who think it is their right to act carelessly and spread disease.oski003 said:In other news, AunBear89 thinks those who share opposing views are easily duped morons that will believe every crazy theory presented to them.AunBear89 said:
In other news, nearly a third of Americans are easily duped morons that will believe every crazy theory presented to them.
AunBear89 said:
In other news, nearly a third of Americans are easily duped morons that will believe every crazy theory presented to them.
