https://abc7news.com/sports/nfl-postponing-3-games-due-to-covid-outbreaks-sources-tell-espn/11352878/
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside
oski003 said:
If this Trump supporting state senator flew to latin america without being vaccinated, that was not a smart decision.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/state-senator-dies-a-month-after-telling-a-local-radio-station-he-was-sick-with-covid-19-while-in-el-salvador/ar-AARXcrg?li=BBnb7Kz
Cases in South Africa ~120% of Delta wave peak.
— (((Howard Forman))) (@thehowie) December 19, 2021
Hospitalizations ~ 45% (may still drift toward 50%) of Delta wave peak.
ICU is 22% of Delta peak (could get to 25+%)
Ventilator use 16% (could get to 20+%)
Not offering an explanation: just saying the outbreak is milder. https://t.co/KN6gCQ1uN9
You list some random screen cap with no source and no distinction between omicron and any other variant in regards to death. Howard Forman is a clown.sycasey said:Cases in South Africa ~120% of Delta wave peak.
— (((Howard Forman))) (@thehowie) December 19, 2021
Hospitalizations ~ 45% (may still drift toward 50%) of Delta wave peak.
ICU is 22% of Delta peak (could get to 25+%)
Ventilator use 16% (could get to 20+%)
Not offering an explanation: just saying the outbreak is milder. https://t.co/KN6gCQ1uN9
My guess is that places with high vaccination rates are going to be fine in the Omicron wave. Hospitals will not be overwhelmed there. Places with low vax rates are rolling the dice.
MinotStateBeav said:You list some random screen cap with no source and no distinction between omicron and any other variant in regards to death. Howard Forman is a clown.sycasey said:Cases in South Africa ~120% of Delta wave peak.
— (((Howard Forman))) (@thehowie) December 19, 2021
Hospitalizations ~ 45% (may still drift toward 50%) of Delta wave peak.
ICU is 22% of Delta peak (could get to 25+%)
Ventilator use 16% (could get to 20+%)
Not offering an explanation: just saying the outbreak is milder. https://t.co/KN6gCQ1uN9
My guess is that places with high vaccination rates are going to be fine in the Omicron wave. Hospitals will not be overwhelmed there. Places with low vax rates are rolling the dice.
2 days ago, South African Health Minister
sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:You list some random screen cap with no source and no distinction between omicron and any other variant in regards to death. Howard Forman is a clown.sycasey said:Cases in South Africa ~120% of Delta wave peak.
— (((Howard Forman))) (@thehowie) December 19, 2021
Hospitalizations ~ 45% (may still drift toward 50%) of Delta wave peak.
ICU is 22% of Delta peak (could get to 25+%)
Ventilator use 16% (could get to 20+%)
Not offering an explanation: just saying the outbreak is milder. https://t.co/KN6gCQ1uN9
My guess is that places with high vaccination rates are going to be fine in the Omicron wave. Hospitals will not be overwhelmed there. Places with low vax rates are rolling the dice.
2 days ago, South African Health Minister
You'll have to explain how this post refutes anything I wrote.
Unit2Sucks said:
The development of Omicron doesn't augur well for the future. We need to double down on therapeutics and vaccines or we will be dealing with variants for who knows how long. I can't imagine a better ROI for our species right now.
We are 2 years into this and on the precipice of what could be our deadliest wave. That doesn't feel good. What will the next variant look like? We still haven't gotten back down to the may/june death levels despite Glen Greenwald doing his best to con his conservative followers into believing so by sharpie-ing graphs.sycasey said:Unit2Sucks said:
The development of Omicron doesn't augur well for the future. We need to double down on therapeutics and vaccines or we will be dealing with variants for who knows how long. I can't imagine a better ROI for our species right now.
Why do you think it doesn't augur well? The dominance of a milder, highly contagious strain would seem to herald the beginning of endemicity. It becomes another seasonal cold at that point.
Also, I think a highly effective antiviral therapeutic treatment is coming very soon.
"Look at this flat-lining chart that shows how few people under 75 are dying. The Libs are just insane."
— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) December 18, 2021
*looks at the graph*
"Hey, wait...why is there a random big black legend blocking out anything after July on the graph?"
Oh, I see why... pic.twitter.com/PMSGHRgXUr
Unit2Sucks said:We are 2 years into this and on the precipice of what could be our deadliest wave. That doesn't feel good. What will the next variant look like?sycasey said:Unit2Sucks said:
The development of Omicron doesn't augur well for the future. We need to double down on therapeutics and vaccines or we will be dealing with variants for who knows how long. I can't imagine a better ROI for our species right now.
Why do you think it doesn't augur well? The dominance of a milder, highly contagious strain would seem to herald the beginning of endemicity. It becomes another seasonal cold at that point.
Also, I think a highly effective antiviral therapeutic treatment is coming very soon.
In South Africa, we’re thankfully seeing a striking decoupling between new Covid cases and ICU admissions and deaths. Whether #Omicron is inherently less virulent, whether this hopeful finding is result of baseline immunity in infected, or a combination of both, is still unclear. pic.twitter.com/xtmCSdpCNc
— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) December 19, 2021
wraptor347 said:
Seriously? You don't think the screenshot with his editorial is misleading? He's claiming the death rate among people under 75 after the vaccines were made available is negligible while pretending there wasn't a massive spike blocked by the legend.
He saw the spike, took a screenshot with the legend blocking the spike, then decided to tweet out the screenshot without mentioning the spike. But you think because the CDC website renders the legend over the graph that there's nothing wrong with what he tweeted?
He could have very easily taken one screenshot with the legend and one without to give a complete picture but obviously he didn't since that would go against his narrative.
Latest CDC data by vaccine status:
— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) December 20, 2021
Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated: 134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k
Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k
1/ Hospitals in NYC & around the country are putting a temporary pause on monoclonal antibody treatments because most don't work vs Omicron, except sotrovimab.
— CĂ©line Gounder, MD, ScM, FIDSA (@celinegounder) December 20, 2021
Quote:
For vaccines available in the UK, effectiveness against symptomatic Omicron infection ranged from 0% to 20% after two doses, and from 55% to 80% following a booster dose. The report also estimated that after taking individual risk factors into account, the odds of reinfection with Omicron are 5.4 times greater than for reinfection with Delta. A study of healthcare workers in the pre-Omicron era estimated that a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection afforded 85% protection against a second infection over 6 months, the researchers said, while "the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%."
Naw I'm good. I'll eat omicron infected corn flakes. I don't tend to panic when I get a cold.Unit2Sucks said:
Fresh from Reuters:Quote:
For vaccines available in the UK, effectiveness against symptomatic Omicron infection ranged from 0% to 20% after two doses, and from 55% to 80% following a booster dose. The report also estimated that after taking individual risk factors into account, the odds of reinfection with Omicron are 5.4 times greater than for reinfection with Delta. A study of healthcare workers in the pre-Omicron era estimated that a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection afforded 85% protection against a second infection over 6 months, the researchers said, while "the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%."
If this holds true, people are really going to want to get boosted to avoid Omicron. Prior infection (particularly if it wasn't recent) also not looking like a strong defense.
NEW - BioNTech CEO on #Omicron: "Even triple-vaccinated are likely to transmit the virus. It is obvious we are far from 95% effectiveness" (Le Monde)
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 20, 2021
MinotStateBeav said:Naw I'm good. I'll eat omicron infected corn flakes. I don't tend to panic when I get a cold.Unit2Sucks said:
Fresh from Reuters:Quote:
For vaccines available in the UK, effectiveness against symptomatic Omicron infection ranged from 0% to 20% after two doses, and from 55% to 80% following a booster dose. The report also estimated that after taking individual risk factors into account, the odds of reinfection with Omicron are 5.4 times greater than for reinfection with Delta. A study of healthcare workers in the pre-Omicron era estimated that a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection afforded 85% protection against a second infection over 6 months, the researchers said, while "the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%."
If this holds true, people are really going to want to get boosted to avoid Omicron. Prior infection (particularly if it wasn't recent) also not looking like a strong defense.NEW - BioNTech CEO on #Omicron: "Even triple-vaccinated are likely to transmit the virus. It is obvious we are far from 95% effectiveness" (Le Monde)
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 20, 2021
I recovered from Covid in Feb of 2020. I've been fine.Big C said:MinotStateBeav said:Naw I'm good. I'll eat omicron infected corn flakes. I don't tend to panic when I get a cold.Unit2Sucks said:
Fresh from Reuters:Quote:
For vaccines available in the UK, effectiveness against symptomatic Omicron infection ranged from 0% to 20% after two doses, and from 55% to 80% following a booster dose. The report also estimated that after taking individual risk factors into account, the odds of reinfection with Omicron are 5.4 times greater than for reinfection with Delta. A study of healthcare workers in the pre-Omicron era estimated that a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection afforded 85% protection against a second infection over 6 months, the researchers said, while "the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%."
If this holds true, people are really going to want to get boosted to avoid Omicron. Prior infection (particularly if it wasn't recent) also not looking like a strong defense.NEW - BioNTech CEO on #Omicron: "Even triple-vaccinated are likely to transmit the virus. It is obvious we are far from 95% effectiveness" (Le Monde)
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 20, 2021
Minot, it depends on your profile: If you don't have any underlying conditions, you're almost certainly gonna be fine. But if there's anything, age, weight, anything, why not play it safe?
Plus, as I can tell you from personal experience, you would enjoy the 5G!
In response to attorney’s FOIA request, US CDC admits that it has no record of an unvaccinated person spreading COVID after recovering from COVID.
— Michael P Senger (@MichaelPSenger) November 12, 2021
Lawyers smelling blood in the water. pic.twitter.com/ajdOuiIyjj
Everyone responds differently. You probably will be fine, there's no way for us to know. Immunity from infection isn't particularly homogeneous. Some people mount a robust response with measurable antibodies for many months, others don't. I've heard anywhere from 1/5 to 1/3 don't develop any antibodies. For those who do, they can range by orders of magnitude. Without knowing which group you are in, it's pretty tough to say how you will do.MinotStateBeav said:
I recovered from Covid in Feb of 2020. I've been fine.
This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine my guy. It doesn't stop the virus from spreading, so its only purpose is to reduce symptoms. Natural immunity to this set of variants will last the rest of my life. The virus fighting instructions get imprinted on your t-cells and your body can call up those t-cells to begin fighting the virus instantly when virus is detected. However due to the virus continually morphing into a more virulent and less lethal variant, makes covid endemic, meaning you just live with it. You can take the vaccine if you want, but nobody should be required for it to live their life. The panic being induced by the media and our own governments are all based on flawed models who overstate the severity of the new covid variants. The people running the models admit they do it.Unit2Sucks said:Everyone responds differently. You probably will be fine, there's no way for us to know. Immunity from infection isn't particularly homogeneous. Some people mount a robust response with measurable antibodies for many months, others don't. I've heard anywhere from 1/5 to 1/3 don't develop any antibodies. For those who do, they can range by orders of magnitude. Without knowing which group you are in, it's pretty tough to say how you will do.MinotStateBeav said:
I recovered from Covid in Feb of 2020. I've been fine.
The nice thing about vaccines is that they are far more likely to develop an immune response across a population. They're a far more reliable tool than someone saying they had COVID before, without that person being able to prove that they developed a level of antibodies consistent with a vaccinated person.
It's a shame that so many people who "trust their immune systems" are doing so without a reasonable basis but that's their choice. Unfortunately, the fallout for people who are wrong goes far beyond their personal health as each serious infection adds to the toll on the health care system, etc.
MinotStateBeav said:
This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine my guy. It doesn't stop the virus from spreading, so its only purpose is to reduce symptoms. Natural immunity to this set of variants will last the rest of my life. The virus fighting instructions get imprinted on your t-cells and your body can call up those t-cells to begin fighting the virus instantly when virus is detected.
no, vaccines stop replication.sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:
This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine my guy. It doesn't stop the virus from spreading, so its only purpose is to reduce symptoms. Natural immunity to this set of variants will last the rest of my life. The virus fighting instructions get imprinted on your t-cells and your body can call up those t-cells to begin fighting the virus instantly when virus is detected.
. . . that's what the vaccine does too.
MinotStateBeav said:no, vaccines stop replication.sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:
This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine my guy. It doesn't stop the virus from spreading, so its only purpose is to reduce symptoms. Natural immunity to this set of variants will last the rest of my life. The virus fighting instructions get imprinted on your t-cells and your body can call up those t-cells to begin fighting the virus instantly when virus is detected.
. . . that's what the vaccine does too.
Flu shots are targeted to the most common types of flu and yes they do protect against those targeted flu variants. Not ALL flu variants.sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:no, vaccines stop replication.sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:
This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine my guy. It doesn't stop the virus from spreading, so its only purpose is to reduce symptoms. Natural immunity to this set of variants will last the rest of my life. The virus fighting instructions get imprinted on your t-cells and your body can call up those t-cells to begin fighting the virus instantly when virus is detected.
. . . that's what the vaccine does too.
Wrong. Flu shots are also vaccines and they don't completely protect against infection or transmission either. Still vaccines.
What is your definition of a "vaccine" and where does it come from?MinotStateBeav said:This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine my guy. It doesn't stop the virus from spreading, so its only purpose is to reduce symptoms. Natural immunity to this set of variants will last the rest of my life. The virus fighting instructions get imprinted on your t-cells and your body can call up those t-cells to begin fighting the virus instantly when virus is detected. However due to the virus continually morphing into a more virulent and less lethal variant, makes covid endemic, meaning you just live with it. You can take the vaccine if you want, but nobody should be required for it to live their life. The panic being induced by the media and our own governments are all based on flawed models who overstate the severity of the new covid variants. The people running the models admit they do it.Unit2Sucks said:Everyone responds differently. You probably will be fine, there's no way for us to know. Immunity from infection isn't particularly homogeneous. Some people mount a robust response with measurable antibodies for many months, others don't. I've heard anywhere from 1/5 to 1/3 don't develop any antibodies. For those who do, they can range by orders of magnitude. Without knowing which group you are in, it's pretty tough to say how you will do.MinotStateBeav said:
I recovered from Covid in Feb of 2020. I've been fine.
The nice thing about vaccines is that they are far more likely to develop an immune response across a population. They're a far more reliable tool than someone saying they had COVID before, without that person being able to prove that they developed a level of antibodies consistent with a vaccinated person.
It's a shame that so many people who "trust their immune systems" are doing so without a reasonable basis but that's their choice. Unfortunately, the fallout for people who are wrong goes far beyond their personal health as each serious infection adds to the toll on the health care system, etc.
Hmm, still not seeing how this is different from the COVID vaccines.MinotStateBeav said:Flu shots are targeted to the most common types of flu and yes they do protect against those targeted flu variants. Not ALL flu variants.sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:no, vaccines stop replication.sycasey said:MinotStateBeav said:
This "vaccine" isn't a vaccine my guy. It doesn't stop the virus from spreading, so its only purpose is to reduce symptoms. Natural immunity to this set of variants will last the rest of my life. The virus fighting instructions get imprinted on your t-cells and your body can call up those t-cells to begin fighting the virus instantly when virus is detected.
. . . that's what the vaccine does too.
Wrong. Flu shots are also vaccines and they don't completely protect against infection or transmission either. Still vaccines.
Ten of the 11 states with the highest rate of covid today voted for Joe Biden. Remember this summer when the media blamed the Trump red state voters for cases? And Florida was all Ron Desantis’s fault? Amazing how none of those blue state blame stories exist now. pic.twitter.com/O0EftEENGF
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) December 20, 2021
Unit2Sucks said:
Fresh from Reuters:Quote:
For vaccines available in the UK, effectiveness against symptomatic Omicron infection ranged from 0% to 20% after two doses, and from 55% to 80% following a booster dose. The report also estimated that after taking individual risk factors into account, the odds of reinfection with Omicron are 5.4 times greater than for reinfection with Delta. A study of healthcare workers in the pre-Omicron era estimated that a prior SARS-CoV-2 infection afforded 85% protection against a second infection over 6 months, the researchers said, while "the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%."
If this holds true, people are really going to want to get boosted to avoid Omicron. Prior infection (particularly if it wasn't recent) also not looking like a strong defense.
BearForce2 said:Ten of the 11 states with the highest rate of covid today voted for Joe Biden. Remember this summer when the media blamed the Trump red state voters for cases? And Florida was all Ron Desantis’s fault? Amazing how none of those blue state blame stories exist now. pic.twitter.com/O0EftEENGF
— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) December 20, 2021