oski003 said:
"Pfizer's Covid Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Just Weeks After Second And Third Doses, Study Finds."
"antibodies detected in participants' blood dropped "rapidly" from 76% four weeks after the second shot to 53% at weeks eight to 10 and 19% at weeks 12 to 14, the researchers found."
Get ready for more call outs from work because of fourth dose side effects from intolerant mRNA vaccines. Go big pharma. Thanks for allowing one single covid vaccine platform (a tech approved for the first time ever because of an emergency pandemic) in the United States.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/05/13/pfizers-covid-vaccine-protection-against-omicron-fades-just-weeks-after-second-and-third-doses-study-finds/?sh=7984125332af
dimitrig said:oski003 said:
"Pfizer's Covid Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Just Weeks After Second And Third Doses, Study Finds."
"antibodies detected in participants' blood dropped "rapidly" from 76% four weeks after the second shot to 53% at weeks eight to 10 and 19% at weeks 12 to 14, the researchers found."
Get ready for more call outs from work because of fourth dose side effects from intolerant mRNA vaccines. Go big pharma. Thanks for allowing one single covid vaccine platform (a tech approved for the first time ever because of an emergency pandemic) in the United States.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/05/13/pfizers-covid-vaccine-protection-against-omicron-fades-just-weeks-after-second-and-third-doses-study-finds/?sh=7984125332af
Honest question:
Is it a problem for antibodies to drop in the absence of infection? I would expect them to drop.
The idea behind the vaccines is that they prime our bodies to produce antibodies more quickly, no?
dimitrig said:oski003 said:
"Pfizer's Covid Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Just Weeks After Second And Third Doses, Study Finds."
"antibodies detected in participants' blood dropped "rapidly" from 76% four weeks after the second shot to 53% at weeks eight to 10 and 19% at weeks 12 to 14, the researchers found."
Get ready for more call outs from work because of fourth dose side effects from intolerant mRNA vaccines. Go big pharma. Thanks for allowing one single covid vaccine platform (a tech approved for the first time ever because of an emergency pandemic) in the United States.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/05/13/pfizers-covid-vaccine-protection-against-omicron-fades-just-weeks-after-second-and-third-doses-study-finds/?sh=7984125332af
Honest question:
Is it a problem for antibodies to drop in the absence of infection? I would expect them to drop.
The idea behind the vaccines is that they prime our bodies to produce antibodies more quickly, no?
oski003 said:dimitrig said:oski003 said:
"Pfizer's Covid Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Just Weeks After Second And Third Doses, Study Finds."
"antibodies detected in participants' blood dropped "rapidly" from 76% four weeks after the second shot to 53% at weeks eight to 10 and 19% at weeks 12 to 14, the researchers found."
Get ready for more call outs from work because of fourth dose side effects from intolerant mRNA vaccines. Go big pharma. Thanks for allowing one single covid vaccine platform (a tech approved for the first time ever because of an emergency pandemic) in the United States.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/05/13/pfizers-covid-vaccine-protection-against-omicron-fades-just-weeks-after-second-and-third-doses-study-finds/?sh=7984125332af
Honest question:
Is it a problem for antibodies to drop in the absence of infection? I would expect them to drop.
The idea behind the vaccines is that they prime our bodies to produce antibodies more quickly, no?
I agree that the vaccines offer much longer protection against the secondary but incredibly important endpoint of protecting against severe disease. I just don't like how other safer vaccine technologies were shelved allegedly because of the antibodies produced by Pfizer and Moderna's mRNA vaccines. These vaccines pack a punch and aren't protecting against infection for very long. They definitely work better than no vaccine and no previous exposure. They've saved lives.
sycasey said:oski003 said:dimitrig said:oski003 said:
"Pfizer's Covid Vaccine Protection Against Omicron Fades Just Weeks After Second And Third Doses, Study Finds."
"antibodies detected in participants' blood dropped "rapidly" from 76% four weeks after the second shot to 53% at weeks eight to 10 and 19% at weeks 12 to 14, the researchers found."
Get ready for more call outs from work because of fourth dose side effects from intolerant mRNA vaccines. Go big pharma. Thanks for allowing one single covid vaccine platform (a tech approved for the first time ever because of an emergency pandemic) in the United States.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/05/13/pfizers-covid-vaccine-protection-against-omicron-fades-just-weeks-after-second-and-third-doses-study-finds/?sh=7984125332af
Honest question:
Is it a problem for antibodies to drop in the absence of infection? I would expect them to drop.
The idea behind the vaccines is that they prime our bodies to produce antibodies more quickly, no?
I agree that the vaccines offer much longer protection against the secondary but incredibly important endpoint of protecting against severe disease. I just don't like how other safer vaccine technologies were shelved allegedly because of the antibodies produced by Pfizer and Moderna's mRNA vaccines. These vaccines pack a punch and aren't protecting against infection for very long. They definitely work better than no vaccine and no previous exposure. They've saved lives.
So is your premise that other vaccines would prevent infection any better than the current ones? Given how transmissible Omicron has proven to be, I'm skeptical of that.
What happened to listening to the scientists? The stunning new norm at the FDA is to bypass the standard expert advisory committee voting process. In fact, if The White House really wants something, the FDA does not convene their expert advisory committee (customary). https://t.co/mVKMniz7ZH
— Marty Makary MD, MPH (@MartyMakary) May 17, 2022
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When Johns Hopkins University announced that the United States had surpassed 1 million deaths from covid-19, I was recovering from my first (and hopefully last) bout of the disease. I had prepared as much as I could shout-out to Pfizer so the infection passed like a nasty flu. Earlier in the crisis, an immunocompromised man in his late 50s, as I am, might have ended up in the hospital, on a ventilator, a coin flip away from eternity.
In a way, I now feel more connected with people whose lives have been touched by covid. But of course, many lives have not been just touched but crushed by the disease. The cost of 1 million friends and relatives lost during the past 27 months resists summary and comparison. There is no adequate scale on which to measure this mass of grief..
..Now imagine yourself part of a country seeking to help the United States with its covid-19 crisis. You are trying to deliver a miraculous vaccine that deters most infection and nearly guarantees freedom from severe disease. The key, as always, is adherence. But there is a powerful Red Faction dominant in much of the country that is partial to quack treatments, distrustful of modern medicine and resistant to vaccines (and mask-wearing) as a point of political pride.
Surely, over time, the Red Faction would witness the health benefits of three or four jabs of a needle. Surely it would refuse to take health advice from wacko politicians and unreliable community healers. Surely the stigma would fade as the vaccine proved safe and effective. But no..
Does this Red Faction have contempt for its elders, as indicated by who has taken the brunt of the casualties?
Is this country prepared for any crisis requiring communal action?
There is another question that seems the most unexpected, at least to me. Since death rates for vaccinated people are fully 20 times lower than than for the unvaccinated, what force, what faith, what ideology has led a large portion of the country to live so recklessly? We are dealing with a form of polarization that is stronger than self-preservation a kind of populism that causes populists to die.
Yet most Americans still float down covid river, living in denial of the rocks ahead: new variants, long covid, continuing deaths. Who would have predicted that so many people's response to an existential crisis should be folk cures and complacency.
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NPR examined COVID deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which most Americans could find a vaccine if they wanted one. Those living in counties that voted 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.26 times the death rate of those that went by the same margin for Biden. Counties with a higher share of Trump votes had even higher mortality rates.
The scale of the preventable loss of life is staggering. According to a recent analysis by Brown University, nearly 320,000 lives nationwide could have been saved if more people had chosen to get vaccinated. The Brown analysis also shows a partisan split in how those preventable deaths are distributed. States that went most heavily for Trump including Wyoming and West Virginia have among the highest rates of preventable deaths, while states that voted heavily for Biden such as Massachusetts and Vermont had among the lowest.
"How you vote should not predict whether you die of COVID," says Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Brown University School of Public Health. The social causes of the divide are complex, but the immediate reason is dead simple: Trump-leaning counties have far lower vaccination rates than those that went for President Biden. NPR's analysis showed that the gap was 21 points, with 81% of adults vaccinated in heavily-Biden counties compared to 60% of adults in counties that went for Trump.
According to the CDC, vaccinated individuals are 10 times less likely to die from a COVID-19 infection than the unvaccinated.
Nuzzo says she sees the partisan divide in COVID deaths as one of the major failures of public health messaging in this pandemic. "Public health advice about vaccines often says, 'Talk to your doctor,'" Nuzzo says. But many people don't have one.
I've long felt that one of America's greatest strengths is it's relentless focus on its weakness. We are, hands down, the most self-critical people on the planet. Go to the least developed parts of Europe or Asia or South America and talk to them. They would never in a million years say the stuff about their country that Americans say about the U..S. every day. Even if by every objective measurement they are poorer, weaker and less educated than we are.Unit2Sucks said:
Over 300,000 American lives would have been saved if more people had been vaccinated.Quote:
NPR examined COVID deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which most Americans could find a vaccine if they wanted one. Those living in counties that voted 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.26 times the death rate of those that went by the same margin for Biden. Counties with a higher share of Trump votes had even higher mortality rates.
The scale of the preventable loss of life is staggering. According to a recent analysis by Brown University, nearly 320,000 lives nationwide could have been saved if more people had chosen to get vaccinated. The Brown analysis also shows a partisan split in how those preventable deaths are distributed. States that went most heavily for Trump including Wyoming and West Virginia have among the highest rates of preventable deaths, while states that voted heavily for Biden such as Massachusetts and Vermont had among the lowest.
"How you vote should not predict whether you die of COVID," says Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Brown University School of Public Health. The social causes of the divide are complex, but the immediate reason is dead simple: Trump-leaning counties have far lower vaccination rates than those that went for President Biden. NPR's analysis showed that the gap was 21 points, with 81% of adults vaccinated in heavily-Biden counties compared to 60% of adults in counties that went for Trump.
According to the CDC, vaccinated individuals are 10 times less likely to die from a COVID-19 infection than the unvaccinated.
Nuzzo says she sees the partisan divide in COVID deaths as one of the major failures of public health messaging in this pandemic. "Public health advice about vaccines often says, 'Talk to your doctor,'" Nuzzo says. But many people don't have one.
Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what viruses do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what vaccines do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
Because the government doesn't have enough to do with COVID, Baby formula, Ukraine, the stock market, inflation, and fending off the crazies that want to destroy Democracy and our Republic. *** are you talking about?BearForce2 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what vaccines do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
Monkeypox is coming and they will use that to control people because it sounds scarier.
"Baby Formula shortage, stock market crashing, inflation, fending off the crazies" yep sounds like a democrat administration is in office.BearNIt said:Because the government doesn't have enough to do with COVID, Baby formula, Ukraine, the stock market, inflation, and fending off the crazies that want to destroy Democracy and our Republic. *** are you talking about?BearForce2 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what vaccines do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
Monkeypox is coming and they will use that to control people because it sounds scarier.
MinotStateBeav said:"Baby Formula shortage, stock market crashing, inflation, fending off the crazies" yep sounds like a democrat administration is cleaning up after a Republican administration.BearNIt said:Because the government doesn't have enough to do with COVID, Baby formula, Ukraine, the stock market, inflation, and fending off the crazies that want to destroy Democracy and our Republic. *** are you talking about?BearForce2 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what vaccines do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
Monkeypox is coming and they will use that to control people because it sounds scarier.
Most people are vaccinated and boosted so we need to stop focusing on case count and more on hospitalization and death. If the spike in hospitalization and death rates is as before, the vaccine does not work. But I believe it does, so I am not fearful that COVID spike this fall as people travel more will be a return of full hospital beds and people dying left and right similar to 2020. I am fully vaccinated with two boosters, keep myself in good shape, eat clean, etc. I am not afraid of COVID or what the spike will do to availability in hospital. Yes, COVID still is a ***** even for those vaccinated but people I know who were vaccinated and had COVID didn't go to the hospital and recovered after three or four days of brutal fatigue.BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what viruses do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
I don't think "fear" is the right lens to look at things through. The reason certain elements brought "fear" into the equation is because they equate toughness with strength.calbear93 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what viruses do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
I personally am done with fear tactics on COVID. I will get boosters whenever CDC recommends another, but I am living my life without fear of COVID irrespective of whether someone chooses not to be vaccinated or what the case rate is.
I don't disagree that the vaccine is not very effective over time on infection, but they should be effective in preventing serious cases that require hospitalization or death. Otherwise, vaccine doesn't work. I believe it does.Unit2Sucks said:I don't think "fear" is the right lens to look at things through. The reason certain elements brought "fear" into the equation is because they equate toughness with strength.calbear93 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what viruses do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
I personally am done with fear tactics on COVID. I will get boosters whenever CDC recommends another, but I am living my life without fear of COVID irrespective of whether someone chooses not to be vaccinated or what the case rate is.
I'm still very concerned about COVID because it has a potential to impact my life and those around me if I'm not careful. My daughter missed a school camping trip due to a positive COVID test which we believe was a false positive. Nonetheless she missed almost a week of school and we had to protect my other kid so he wouldn't miss school. Similarly, we have to protect our elderly parents who otherwise enjoy spending time with the kid. We also carpool with one kid for soccer practices which potentially exposes 2 other families to whatever my family has (and vice versa) in addition to what happens at school.
I would also note that I've seen both vaccinated and unvaccinated family members suffer hard cases of Omicron recently. A 30 year old vaccinated and boosted family member is on week 3 of her infection and still having nasty headaches which makes it impossible for her to concentrate or work. An unvaccinated family member had Omicron in January, lost half her hair and is still struggling with brain fog 5 months later.
Having a positive test result brings a number of repercussions that I would like to avoid. I consider taking health precautions to be prudent not fearful.
Yes it sounds like you have a different set of tradeoffs but again it's not about fear. You're retired and seem to be balancing personal health with life enjoyment. Other people have to balance financial and economic well-being or other factors as well. Keeping my kids in school is of paramount importance and to keep them in school they have to be COVID free. It's not the end of the world if I have to miss time to care for a sick child but I would prefer not to. For people with hourly comp, COVID could be costly indeed.calbear93 said:I don't disagree that the vaccine is not very effective over time on infection, but they should be effective in preventing serious cases that require hospitalization or death. Otherwise, vaccine doesn't work. I believe it does.Unit2Sucks said:I don't think "fear" is the right lens to look at things through. The reason certain elements brought "fear" into the equation is because they equate toughness with strength.calbear93 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what viruses do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
I personally am done with fear tactics on COVID. I will get boosters whenever CDC recommends another, but I am living my life without fear of COVID irrespective of whether someone chooses not to be vaccinated or what the case rate is.
I'm still very concerned about COVID because it has a potential to impact my life and those around me if I'm not careful. My daughter missed a school camping trip due to a positive COVID test which we believe was a false positive. Nonetheless she missed almost a week of school and we had to protect my other kid so he wouldn't miss school. Similarly, we have to protect our elderly parents who otherwise enjoy spending time with the kid. We also carpool with one kid for soccer practices which potentially exposes 2 other families to whatever my family has (and vice versa) in addition to what happens at school.
I would also note that I've seen both vaccinated and unvaccinated family members suffer hard cases of Omicron recently. A 30 year old vaccinated and boosted family member is on week 3 of her infection and still having nasty headaches which makes it impossible for her to concentrate or work. An unvaccinated family member had Omicron in January, lost half her hair and is still struggling with brain fog 5 months later.
Having a positive test result brings a number of repercussions that I would like to avoid. I consider taking health precautions to be prudent not fearful.
Almost everyone around me other than my family has had COVID. Fully aware that it is still a pain. But it is a choice between risking that pain vs. limiting my life. It is always a balancing act, with different people having different risk calculation.
For me with no young kids now, I am fully back to travelling, dinner out with my friends, and even training martial arts again. If I get it, I will stay isolated for a week, but I trust science and the vaccine that it will protect me. But if I am not at high risk of severe illness from COVID, I would rather live my life as before.
Not disagreeing with your prudence here, but in fairness I would also note that in some cases this prudence is simply being forced more by overly cautious COVID policies than the actual danger posed to anyone involved.Unit2Sucks said:I don't think "fear" is the right lens to look at things through. The reason certain elements brought "fear" into the equation is because they equate toughness with strength.calbear93 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what viruses do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
I personally am done with fear tactics on COVID. I will get boosters whenever CDC recommends another, but I am living my life without fear of COVID irrespective of whether someone chooses not to be vaccinated or what the case rate is.
I'm still very concerned about COVID because it has a potential to impact my life and those around me if I'm not careful. My daughter missed a school camping trip due to a positive COVID test which we believe was a false positive. Nonetheless she missed almost a week of school and we had to protect my other kid so he wouldn't miss school. Similarly, we have to protect our elderly parents who otherwise enjoy spending time with the kid. We also carpool with one kid for soccer practices which potentially exposes 2 other families to whatever my family has (and vice versa) in addition to what happens at school.
I would also note that I've seen both vaccinated and unvaccinated family members suffer hard cases of Omicron recently. A 30 year old vaccinated and boosted family member is on week 3 of her infection and still having nasty headaches which makes it impossible for her to concentrate or work. An unvaccinated family member had Omicron in January, lost half her hair and is still struggling with brain fog 5 months later.
Having a positive test result brings a number of repercussions that I would like to avoid. I consider taking health precautions to be prudent not fearful.
Yes, I think you are taking a different lens to the issue. You and I have similar reasons to be very careful not to get COVID as it would be disruptive to your entire family.sycasey said:Not disagreeing with your prudence here, but in fairness I would also note that in some cases this prudence is simply being forced more by overly cautious COVID policies than the actual danger posed to anyone involved.Unit2Sucks said:I don't think "fear" is the right lens to look at things through. The reason certain elements brought "fear" into the equation is because they equate toughness with strength.calbear93 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what viruses do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
I personally am done with fear tactics on COVID. I will get boosters whenever CDC recommends another, but I am living my life without fear of COVID irrespective of whether someone chooses not to be vaccinated or what the case rate is.
I'm still very concerned about COVID because it has a potential to impact my life and those around me if I'm not careful. My daughter missed a school camping trip due to a positive COVID test which we believe was a false positive. Nonetheless she missed almost a week of school and we had to protect my other kid so he wouldn't miss school. Similarly, we have to protect our elderly parents who otherwise enjoy spending time with the kid. We also carpool with one kid for soccer practices which potentially exposes 2 other families to whatever my family has (and vice versa) in addition to what happens at school.
I would also note that I've seen both vaccinated and unvaccinated family members suffer hard cases of Omicron recently. A 30 year old vaccinated and boosted family member is on week 3 of her infection and still having nasty headaches which makes it impossible for her to concentrate or work. An unvaccinated family member had Omicron in January, lost half her hair and is still struggling with brain fog 5 months later.
Having a positive test result brings a number of repercussions that I would like to avoid. I consider taking health precautions to be prudent not fearful.
I'll just provide my own example: I have one kid in first grade in public school, another three-year-old in a private nursery school, and since the oldest is on the spectrum he's supposed to get behavioral therapists coming to work with him several times a week.
The COVID rules are completely different for these three organizations. The public schools stayed closed/remote longer (too long IMO), but since they've been back they say your kid can go to school even with minor symptoms, as long as you have a negative test. The private nursery school wants a negative test AND for the kid to be symptom-free for at least 24 hours before returning. Practically speaking, this pretty much means my kid is missing minimum two days as soon as she has a sniffle. The therapy specialists, meanwhile, need negative tests AND a doctor's confirmation AND for everyone in the house to be symptom free before they'll send someone over (this despite the fact that all the specialists are vaccinated). This basically means my kid hasn't gotten any behavioral therapy in the last three weeks as colds (not COVID) have cycled through various members of the household.
This makes it pretty much impossible for my wife and I to keep consistent schedules. I want to be careful, but in all honesty jumping through these hoops makes me want to say "f*** it" and have no restrictions at all. Adults can get vaxxed and kids under five are at very low risk. Who are we protecting?
hahahaha. Are you still pushing last year's Ivermectin scam? Haven't the grifters moved on to new ones? I hear forsythia is the best.Zippergate said:
Paul Marik, second most cited ICU doctor in the world
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1529440539472302080/pu/vid/880x496/JfzFu06SlZQydSvi.mp4?tag=14
"This is a humanitarian crisis"
"crime against humanity"
Said nothing about the phony COVID vaccine efficacy data or the fraudulent vaccine clinical trials but I'm sure he could have.
Now go get another booster because the vaxx has compromised your immunity.
I think that the main point is everyone has different circumstances and risk tolerance. I am in a situation where I stopped listening to COVID warnings and COVID rates. I am fully vaccinated and double boosted. I also am not going to bifurcate people from vaccinated or unvaccinated. All of the assumptions we had early on as to whether vaccine will be effective in preventing infection turned out to be wrong, all of the assumptions as to whether the unvaccinated in a local area are preventing herd immunity when this is a global condition is wrong just like shaming the unvaccinated who are dealing with their one risk tolerance is wrong, and those who may still think we can implement a mask policy, shut sectors down, or keep unvaccinated out are wrong such like China's zero COVID policy is insane. I am however convinced from what I have seen that vaccines are damned powerful at preventing hospitalization. I can deal with a week of feeling sick, and I trust the vaccines and the science. I also don't have to worry about young kids being forced to stay at home.sycasey said:Not disagreeing with your prudence here, but in fairness I would also note that in some cases this prudence is simply being forced more by overly cautious COVID policies than the actual danger posed to anyone involved.Unit2Sucks said:I don't think "fear" is the right lens to look at things through. The reason certain elements brought "fear" into the equation is because they equate toughness with strength.calbear93 said:BearNIt said:I would hope that responsible person would do their due diligence before taking any new medication to see if that medication is right for them. If you choose not to get the vaccine nor mask when appropriate then hold on to your sack as the virus will continue to mutate because that's what viruses do. The fall is coming and we are going to see increases in infections and those that are not vaccinated and refuse to wear a mask are going to wish they had done both. Hospitals aren't relaxing as if COVID is over, they are preparing for the fall.BearForce2 said:Both Biden and Kamala were anti-vaxxers.Sebastabear said:Stupidity doesn't care what your party affiliation is. Nor does the disease.MinotStateBeav said:
Kamala Harris while running to be VP..
https://news.yahoo.com/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html
I personally am done with fear tactics on COVID. I will get boosters whenever CDC recommends another, but I am living my life without fear of COVID irrespective of whether someone chooses not to be vaccinated or what the case rate is.
I'm still very concerned about COVID because it has a potential to impact my life and those around me if I'm not careful. My daughter missed a school camping trip due to a positive COVID test which we believe was a false positive. Nonetheless she missed almost a week of school and we had to protect my other kid so he wouldn't miss school. Similarly, we have to protect our elderly parents who otherwise enjoy spending time with the kid. We also carpool with one kid for soccer practices which potentially exposes 2 other families to whatever my family has (and vice versa) in addition to what happens at school.
I would also note that I've seen both vaccinated and unvaccinated family members suffer hard cases of Omicron recently. A 30 year old vaccinated and boosted family member is on week 3 of her infection and still having nasty headaches which makes it impossible for her to concentrate or work. An unvaccinated family member had Omicron in January, lost half her hair and is still struggling with brain fog 5 months later.
Having a positive test result brings a number of repercussions that I would like to avoid. I consider taking health precautions to be prudent not fearful.
I'll just provide my own example: I have one kid in first grade in public school, another three-year-old in a private nursery school, and since the oldest is on the spectrum he's supposed to get behavioral therapists coming to work with him several times a week.
The COVID rules are completely different for these three organizations. The public schools stayed closed/remote longer (too long IMO), but since they've been back they say your kid can go to school even with minor symptoms, as long as you have a negative test. The private nursery school wants a negative test AND for the kid to be symptom-free for at least 24 hours before returning. Practically speaking, this pretty much means my kid is missing minimum two days as soon as she has a sniffle. The therapy specialists, meanwhile, need negative tests AND a doctor's confirmation AND for everyone in the house to be symptom free before they'll send someone over (this despite the fact that all the specialists are vaccinated). This basically means my kid hasn't gotten any behavioral therapy in the last three weeks as colds (not COVID) have cycled through various members of the household.
This makes it pretty much impossible for my wife and I to keep consistent schedules. I want to be careful, but in all honesty jumping through these hoops makes me want to say "f*** it" and have no restrictions at all. Adults can get vaxxed and kids under five are at very low risk. Who are we protecting?