So you're admitting that you have no idea if there's any real danger of anything, you're just running around like Chicken Little and crying about how the sky is falling.Zippergate said:
Brilliant quote from Bret Weinstein (evolutionary biologist and Covid policy critic) on twitter
"The rent-seeking elites captured every institution and repurposed it for extraction, propaganda, surveillance and coercion. As a result, we are flying blind, with no ability to detect the real danger of anything."
Eastern Oregon Bear said:So you're admitting that you have no idea if there's any real danger of anything, you're just running around like Chicken Little and crying about how the sky is falling.Zippergate said:
Brilliant quote from Bret Weinstein (evolutionary biologist and Covid policy critic) on twitter
"The rent-seeking elites captured every institution and repurposed it for extraction, propaganda, surveillance and coercion. As a result, we are flying blind, with no ability to detect the real danger of anything."
Certainly the capture of our institutions has reduced the signal-to-noise ratio. But this does not mean that diligent, truth-seeking individuals are precluded from discovering the truth, only that it is more difficult, and their attempts to get the word out and influence policy lead to censorship and negative personal repercussions.Eastern Oregon Bear said:So you're admitting that you have no idea if there's any real danger of anything, you're just running around like Chicken Little and crying about how the sky is falling.Zippergate said:
Brilliant quote from Bret Weinstein (evolutionary biologist and Covid policy critic) on twitter
"The rent-seeking elites captured every institution and repurposed it for extraction, propaganda, surveillance and coercion. As a result, we are flying blind, with no ability to detect the real danger of anything."
Eastern Oregon struck out a long time ago.oski003 said:
That's not what he is saying. Strike one.
Example of under lying cause from the Cardiovascular System
— Edward Dowd (@DowdEdward) July 12, 2023
Cardiovascular Failure: up 513% on a monthly basis with a monthly z score of about 17. Seems like a disaster ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can the health authorities explain this? pic.twitter.com/285fL4KuIy
Fatal myocarditis proven by autopsy should stop all cardiologists from supporting C19 vaccination. Heart patients take this paper to your next visit. #courageousdiscourse @ACCinTouch @escardio @ESCardioNews https://t.co/gQtqQ0Jl34 pic.twitter.com/IT7c1ypCX7
— Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH™ (@P_McCulloughMD) July 25, 2023
If only Hank Gathers hadn't been vaccinated! He would have had a long NBA career and Loyola Marymount would have won an NCAA basketball championship.Zippergate said:
Shaka Hislop, Tori Kelly, Marquise Goodwin, Bronny James just in the last couple of days. Absolutely nothing to see here, all completely normal, though it could a a nefarious plot by Putin. Or Trump. Or Both!
Eastern Oregon Bear said:If only Hank Gathers hadn't been vaccinated! He would have had a long NBA career and Loyola Marymount would have won an NCAA basketball championship.Zippergate said:
Shaka Hislop, Tori Kelly, Marquise Goodwin, Bronny James just in the last couple of days. Absolutely nothing to see here, all completely normal, though it could a a nefarious plot by Putin. Or Trump. Or Both!
oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:If only Hank Gathers hadn't been vaccinated! He would have had a long NBA career and Loyola Marymount would have won an NCAA basketball championship.Zippergate said:
Shaka Hislop, Tori Kelly, Marquise Goodwin, Bronny James just in the last couple of days. Absolutely nothing to see here, all completely normal, though it could a a nefarious plot by Putin. Or Trump. Or Both!
Hank Gathers was national news. At that time, it was a rare event.
Big C said:oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:If only Hank Gathers hadn't been vaccinated! He would have had a long NBA career and Loyola Marymount would have won an NCAA basketball championship.Zippergate said:
Shaka Hislop, Tori Kelly, Marquise Goodwin, Bronny James just in the last couple of days. Absolutely nothing to see here, all completely normal, though it could a a nefarious plot by Putin. Or Trump. Or Both!
Hank Gathers was national news. At that time, it was a rare event.
Yeah, I mean, look at San Francisco. The downtown is now practically deserted! Let's put two and two together:
SF is now a barren wasteland, probably from that myocarditis thingy... and...
SF had one of the highest COVID vaccination rates!
DOOM SPIRAL EXPLAINED! Next?
oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:If only Hank Gathers hadn't been vaccinated! He would have had a long NBA career and Loyola Marymount would have won an NCAA basketball championship.Zippergate said:
Shaka Hislop, Tori Kelly, Marquise Goodwin, Bronny James just in the last couple of days. Absolutely nothing to see here, all completely normal, though it could a a nefarious plot by Putin. Or Trump. Or Both!
Hank Gathers was national news. At that time, it was a rare event.
Big C said:oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:If only Hank Gathers hadn't been vaccinated! He would have had a long NBA career and Loyola Marymount would have won an NCAA basketball championship.Zippergate said:
Shaka Hislop, Tori Kelly, Marquise Goodwin, Bronny James just in the last couple of days. Absolutely nothing to see here, all completely normal, though it could a a nefarious plot by Putin. Or Trump. Or Both!
Hank Gathers was national news. At that time, it was a rare event.
Yeah, I mean, look at San Francisco. The downtown is now practically deserted! Let's put two and two together:
SF is now a barren wasteland, probably from that myocarditis thingy... and...
SF had one of the highest COVID vaccination rates!
DOOM SPIRAL EXPLAINED! Next?
You're making a few poor assumptions here. I never said good/ reliable data is the easiest data to come by, nor would I ever suggest that. I said data is what matters; knowing the data you can trust and then accounting for all sources of bias or error within that data, I'm sure we'd agree, is essential.Zippergate said:Agree 100% that ultimately it is just about the data. The problem is, the data is not trustworthy. If you draw your conclusions based on just the available data, you are assuming that the people and institutions responsible for gathering, processing, and presenting the data are trustworthy. This is obviously a faulty assumption as has been proven by numerous FOIA releases.MTbear22 said:Big C said:
The group you refer to as "somewhat older coastal college grads", I would call "graduates of the number one public university in the world... smart folks who know shxt" (conveniently leaving out any references to age, lol).
That's fair enough, but while I was at Cal there was absolutely no shortage of intelligent people who had stupid thoughts/ beliefs, especially if it was a topic not in their training. I'm not advocating for Cal88's stance on the matter, I just think saying "well we're smart though" isn't a worthwhile counterargument.
I think we can all admit that, undeniably, there's a huge political bias in how people view the vaccines. Many right-wingers are more prone to be distrustful of the vax. Many leftists are too prone to thinking it's liquid rainbows and happiness, ignoring or denying any actual data showing its risks. Way too many of us look at vax statistics through the lens of ideology rather than science.
I'm a biologist, so I just care about data. That led me to make my own decisions on the vaccine (double plus another boost). But I understand if some came to other conclusions, especially if they're a non-scientist trying to wade through complex data and hefty considerations while juggling the emotional impact of those decisions.
Your comment about political bias just shows that you haven't been paying attention to the political affiliation of the skeptics. Many, perhaps even a majority, come from the left. The fact that their message has message has resonated with so-called "right-wingers" and not with the left does not make this is a left-right issue. It's really a battle of authoritarian quasi-statism versus the people and the first casualty was truth.
I appreciate it. Do you have the source? I might peruse it if I get some free time.movielover said:
I'll dig it up for you. Life insurance experts calculate these numbers - allegedly a standard deviation of 3 is a once in 200 year occurrence. The current standard deviation is 12.
The first wave were those over 70, with multiple co-morbidities, which is understandable. The following wave - after the vaxx - I believe hit everybody.
The numbers are critical especially bc they come from employed, able bodied, insured, 30-65 year olds working for the corporate 500 or 1000. Employed, insured, stable.
It's not as uncommon as you and oski003 are suggesting. It just didn't get a lot of news coverage. It would be reported locally for a few days and then forgotten. I recall an NFL player dying on the field as well as a baseball umpire (I think).movielover said:oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:If only Hank Gathers hadn't been vaccinated! He would have had a long NBA career and Loyola Marymount would have won an NCAA basketball championship.Zippergate said:
Shaka Hislop, Tori Kelly, Marquise Goodwin, Bronny James just in the last couple of days. Absolutely nothing to see here, all completely normal, though it could a a nefarious plot by Putin. Or Trump. Or Both!
Hank Gathers was national news. At that time, it was a rare event.
I believe Eastern Oregon just committed a "self owned". Yes. Gathers. Once in a decade.
Actually, you're the one making a poor assumption here imo. You assume that the medical authorities are bound by duty and ethics to collect and distribute data that accurately portrays the nature of the situation. To suggest otherwise demands strong evidence of a clear pattern of behavior to the contrary. Sadly, that is exactly where we are. From the lab leak, the unscientific advice on spread of the virus, attacks on alternative treatments and the vaccine coverup, I don't see how any rational person can accept anything coming out of the pharma industrial complex without a healthy dose of skepticism. That's just the nature of trust. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Millions and millions of people all over the world have lost trust in their supposed betters and that is a very bad thing, but it is the natural, correct response to cynical, self-serving statist propaganda.MTbear22 said:You're making a few poor assumptions here. I never said good/ reliable data is the easiest data to come by, nor would I ever suggest that. I said data is what matters; knowing the data you can trust and then accounting for all sources of bias or error within that data, I'm sure we'd agree, is essential.Zippergate said:Agree 100% that ultimately it is just about the data. The problem is, the data is not trustworthy. If you draw your conclusions based on just the available data, you are assuming that the people and institutions responsible for gathering, processing, and presenting the data are trustworthy. This is obviously a faulty assumption as has been proven by numerous FOIA releases.MTbear22 said:Big C said:
The group you refer to as "somewhat older coastal college grads", I would call "graduates of the number one public university in the world... smart folks who know shxt" (conveniently leaving out any references to age, lol).
That's fair enough, but while I was at Cal there was absolutely no shortage of intelligent people who had stupid thoughts/ beliefs, especially if it was a topic not in their training. I'm not advocating for Cal88's stance on the matter, I just think saying "well we're smart though" isn't a worthwhile counterargument.
I think we can all admit that, undeniably, there's a huge political bias in how people view the vaccines. Many right-wingers are more prone to be distrustful of the vax. Many leftists are too prone to thinking it's liquid rainbows and happiness, ignoring or denying any actual data showing its risks. Way too many of us look at vax statistics through the lens of ideology rather than science.
I'm a biologist, so I just care about data. That led me to make my own decisions on the vaccine (double plus another boost). But I understand if some came to other conclusions, especially if they're a non-scientist trying to wade through complex data and hefty considerations while juggling the emotional impact of those decisions.
Your comment about political bias just shows that you haven't been paying attention to the political affiliation of the skeptics. Many, perhaps even a majority, come from the left. The fact that their message has message has resonated with so-called "right-wingers" and not with the left does not make this is a left-right issue. It's really a battle of authoritarian quasi-statism versus the people and the first casualty was truth.
I also never denied that there are plenty of skeptics on the left, and plenty of people pretty far on the right (like some in my family) who had no issue getting vaxxed as soon as they were eligible.
Quote:
Gilbert Cisneros Jr., undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, confirmed the annual average of myocarditis cases soared 151% in 2021 in the wake of the COVID-19 vaccine rollout
"When reported, the cases have especially been in adolescents and young adult males within several days after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna),"
BOMBSHELL: Pfizer employees were given a *special batch*… different from what was forced into the general population 🚨🚨🚨 pic.twitter.com/CDww6wxFif
— Pelham (@Resist_05) August 4, 2023
“Perhaps the most alarming trend is that, despite declines among older adults, the proportion of heart attacks among younger adults is increasing across the globe”
— Edward Dowd (@DowdEdward) August 9, 2023
Just so baffling…🤡 pic.twitter.com/TnB2MHQJ7Y
Over the past three years, journalists have come up with many reasons for the rise in heart damage (e.g. showering). However, none blamed it on the experimental gene therapy administered to billions around the globe.
— Dr. Simon Goddek (@goddeketal) August 8, 2023
Let me walk you through my TOP 20 reasons in this THREAD. 🧵⬇️ pic.twitter.com/sBsQM5iSTN
5) In the Most Disturbing Admission, FDA Attorney Ashley Cheung Honold Says the FDA is ‘Held Accountable by the Political Process’
— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) August 8, 2023
“The public can elect its government officials and FDA…have politically accountable heads of the agency who are held accountable by the political… pic.twitter.com/RP4YY0ZUHy
DiabloWags said:Naaaaaaa.oski003 said:
And peanut butter is dog food. People aren't morons. Just because something can be for horses, doesn't make it horse dewormer. Nobody here has advocated taking horse dewormer.
Just a bunch of clowns at the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) that so many losers on social media have been quoting and promoting over the years.
Ivermectin - FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (covid19criticalcare.com)
"FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID."
— The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) August 10, 2023
Doctors are free to prescribe #Ivermectin to treat #COVID19, a lawyer representing the #FDA said this week. https://t.co/2IaViQTfjX
The Epoch Times. Heh. That's so 2020.BearHunter said:DiabloWags said:Naaaaaaa.oski003 said:
And peanut butter is dog food. People aren't morons. Just because something can be for horses, doesn't make it horse dewormer. Nobody here has advocated taking horse dewormer.
Just a bunch of clowns at the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) that so many losers on social media have been quoting and promoting over the years.
Ivermectin - FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (covid19criticalcare.com)"FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID."
— The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) August 10, 2023
Doctors are free to prescribe #Ivermectin to treat #COVID19, a lawyer representing the #FDA said this week. https://t.co/2IaViQTfjX
Eastern Oregon Bear said:The Epoch Times. Heh. That's so 2020.BearHunter said:DiabloWags said:Naaaaaaa.oski003 said:
And peanut butter is dog food. People aren't morons. Just because something can be for horses, doesn't make it horse dewormer. Nobody here has advocated taking horse dewormer.
Just a bunch of clowns at the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) that so many losers on social media have been quoting and promoting over the years.
Ivermectin - FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (covid19criticalcare.com)"FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID."
— The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) August 10, 2023
Doctors are free to prescribe #Ivermectin to treat #COVID19, a lawyer representing the #FDA said this week. https://t.co/2IaViQTfjX
A reporter recorded what an FDA attorney said in court. It's called reporting. It used to be a real thing even your newspapers before the editorials started appearing on every page. Sad that people can no longer recognize or even remember the difference.Eastern Oregon Bear said:The Epoch Times. Heh. That's so 2020.BearHunter said:DiabloWags said:Naaaaaaa.oski003 said:
And peanut butter is dog food. People aren't morons. Just because something can be for horses, doesn't make it horse dewormer. Nobody here has advocated taking horse dewormer.
Just a bunch of clowns at the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) that so many losers on social media have been quoting and promoting over the years.
Ivermectin - FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (covid19criticalcare.com)"FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID."
— The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) August 10, 2023
Doctors are free to prescribe #Ivermectin to treat #COVID19, a lawyer representing the #FDA said this week. https://t.co/2IaViQTfjX
bearister said:
COVID-19 hospitalization rates on rise..
bearister said:
COVID-19 hospitalization rates on rise in CA - Axios San Francisco
https://www.axios.com/local/san-francisco/2023/08/21/covid-19-hospitalization-rates-rise-california
San Francisco's Oceanside wastewater treatment plant also saw a 209% increase in COVID-19 matter in local sewage between July 9 and Aug. 9, the San Francisco Standard reports.
People got more obese and chain smoked more joints in the last month?movielover said:
Obesity plays a major role, and I'm sure habitual Marijuana use doesn't help.