More discussion of the CDC's study/coverup

https://kirschsubstack.com/p/99-million-patient-records-and-they?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Here's one of many takeaways:

"The paper selected just 13 AESIs to evaluate.
But did you know that the CDC has determined that there are over 500 AESIs that were more serious than myocarditis? They simply forgot to tell people that!
Here are the actual numbers from this excellent article by Josh Guetzkow:

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After dropping the new COVID-era AEs, there are 503 AEs with PRRs larger than myocarditis (PRR=3.09) and 552 with PRRs larger than pericarditis (PRR=2.82).5 This means that 66.4% of the AEs had a bigger safety signal than myocarditis and 77.3% were larger than pericarditis. You can see what those were by using this Excel file provided by the CDC and sorting the 18+ tab by the 12/14-07/29 PRR column (Column E). Then just look at which AEs have PRRs larger than the ones for pericarditis and myocarditis.

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Note: He should not have said "serious" but instead something like "occurring relatively more often post-vaccination"

AEIS? Definition please.

I get VAERS - Vaccine 'AE' - adverse events.

"SUMMARY

"CDC's VAERS safety signal analysis based on reports from Dec. 14, 2020 July 29, 2022 for mRNA COVID-19 vaccines shows clear safety signals for death and a range of highly concerning thrombo-embolic, cardiac, neurological, hemorrhagic, hematological, immune-system and menstrual adverse events (AEs) among U.S. adults.

"There were 770 different types of adverse events that showed safety signals in ages 18+, of which over 500 (or 2/3) had a larger safety signal than myocarditis/pericarditis."

SI is "special interest"
Children with life-threatening heart conditions does tend to draw attention. The other hundreds of AEs just aren't interesting enough to investigate or report on. That must mean they are not common or serious. I'm sure that's comforting to the victims of these AEs.

Dr. Ladapo, The Measles Meister

"Florida's controversial surgeon general is drawing criticism for his handling of an elementary school's measles outbreak, telling parents of unvaccinated children it is their choice whether their students attend class a contravention of federal guidelines calling for their mandatory exclusion."
https://apnews.com/article/measles-outbreak-florida-school-ladapo-259440881f1d5e11dc69ed64ff055418

https://open.substack.com/pub/petermcculloughmd/p/breaking-aaps-files-amicus-brief?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

""The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) filed an amicus curiae brief, on February 7, in the U.S. Supreme Court in opposition to the censorship imposed by the Biden Administration by pressuring social media to take down postings critical of Covid vaccination. Set for oral argument on Monday, March 18, this is one of the biggest cases before the Supreme Court this term.

Our national motto is not "In Vaccines We Trust," or even "In Government We Trust," AAPS states. "The right to criticize vaccines and government mandates of vaccines should not be abridged as brazenly sought" by the Biden Administration and its allies.

The AAPS amicus brief explains that "vaccine hesitancy" is not a psychological condition, as proponents of censorship pretend, "but rather is justified self-defense against a government that abuses its power by imposing vaccine mandates."

Citing many historical examples of vaccine failures, this brief points out that the "right to criticize a vaccine is essential especially when government flagrantly ignores safety issues," as the Biden Administration has concerning Covid vaccines."

Dr. Phil schools The View on keeping children out of school... 4 years too late.

Dr. Phil schools the View:

"Children were the less vulnerable group, and they suffered and will suffer more from the 'mismanagement' of Covid than they will for the exposure of Covid, and that's not an opinion, that's a fact." pic.twitter.com/EUGbgTQ8Gs

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) February 26, 2024

Ivermectin is often recognized–2nd to penicillin–for having the greatest impact on human health. Its discovery even won the Nobel Prize.

But propagandists told you it was “horse dewormer.”

Out of 43 effective medicines for COVID, the ones approved had something in common: They… pic.twitter.com/jhk0dV4WkY

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) February 27, 2024

"For every one child that is saved from death from COVID-19, there are 30 child deaths associated with the COVID-19 vaccine."

Dr. Brian Hooker testifies against lack of oversight on ALL vaccines.

Study Comparing Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Children (2020):

• Vaccinated… pic.twitter.com/ynAeZaIzfX

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) February 26, 2024

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Glad to hear it, regarding the latter I mean. Hope it works out for you. At least you're consistent, unlike the vast majority of Americans.

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I'll let you know if I die.
It will, undoubtedly, be because I got the latest vaccine, or the prior, or the combination of all of them.

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Here's to your good health, concordtom, but if you were to die, I would say nice things about you on the Obituaries thread! And if you wouldn't mind, I would also probably weave something into it about the irony of an obituary for the Founder of the Obituaries Thread.

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Well, he's actually already dead.
You see, the password gets passed along to a new user each time the old one dies. In fact, I don't even know who the original guy was! Covid apparently wiped out a string of them, and it's unclear whether any or all of them were vaccinated. Like, too much blather chatter on this subject and so nobody actually knows anything about the matter.

We have to maintain the proper social media posting policies.
I'll email you the credentials 5 minutes before I croak. You will be entrusted to keep the gig going. Sprinkle in a few posts about having 5 daughters, about waiting anxiously for Trump to die, and nobody will know the difference.

"On Feb. 6, Ohio State University researchers published a stunning finding - stunning to anyone overwhelmed by mainstream media mRNA propaganda since 2021, anyway. Vaccinated Covid patients hospitalized with respiratory failure were more likely to die than the unjabbed. 70 percent died, compared to 37 percent."

https://open.substack.com/pub/alexberenson/p/on-the-ohio-state-study-showing-vaccinated?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Well, well, well...what have we here.

The military has finally admitted that it wrongfully compelled service personnel to submit to an experimental medical product. There is still no accountability. That will happen when I am elected. https://t.co/ydsmladAi9

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) February 26, 2024

(from the video...)

"The military forced its service members to take an EUA [unapproved experimental] vaccine even though there was a vaccine that was technically FDA-approved [Comirnaty], it was never produced, it was never made, it was never given to the DOD or anybody else for that matter. Therefore, the law was broken and everyone was forced to take an EUA vaccine. Derek said 'give me Comirnaty, give me an FDA-approved vaccine and I'll take it.' They never provided it and he was unlawfully discharged. The review board saw that. They upgraded his discharge to 'honorable' and in a 5-0 vote they basically said the law was broken."

Why not produce and offer the damn FDA-approved product??? I'm sure it had nothing to do with the immunity shield provided by the EUA.

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"On Feb. 6, Ohio State University researchers published a stunning finding - stunning to anyone overwhelmed by mainstream media mRNA propaganda since 2021, anyway. Vaccinated Covid patients hospitalized with respiratory failure were more likely to die than the unjabbed. 70 percent died, compared to 37 percent."

https://open.substack.com/pub/alexberenson/p/on-the-ohio-state-study-showing-vaccinated?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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There are issues with vaccines, but that quote is a highly selective interpretation of the study that is linked crafted to create a message. There's more to it.

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They've been doing highly selective interpretations of studies crafted to create misleading messages for the last 129 pages on this thread.

The UK is redefining death statistics to erase the 'excess mortality' problem.

Gold-standard Lancet published a bogus false study during peak Covid, and then when caught, did a half-baked, slanted study to debunk a therapeutic.

Pfizer tried to withhold adverse event data from the clinical studies for 60 years?

Of coarse, Pfizer gave the vaxx to the original control group before the first study was concluded. I've never heard that one before.

The recent report from the VAERs database reveals 770 unique medical adverse events from the Covid vaxx which have affected tens of millions.

I believe I heard the adverse events from this single not-a-vaxx - are more than the adverse events from every other drug tracked from the VAERs database - combined.

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Of coarse, Pfizer gave the vaxx to the original control group before the first study was concluded. I've never heard that one before.

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Yes, I'm sure you've been a learned scholar about the details of the clinical trials of hundreds of vaccines.

Because you have to be a "learned scholar" to criticize the business practices one of the most heavily fined for fraud American corporation.

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Because you have to be a "learned scholar" to criticize the business practices one of the most heavily fined for fraud American corporation.

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Can you provide us with the information prepared by Russia's Internet Research Agency which ranks the fraud amounts paid by American corporations? Or do we have to search it up on zerohedge?

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Cal88 said:

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Because you have to be a "learned scholar" to criticize the business practices one of the most heavily fined for fraud American corporation.

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Can you provide us with the information prepared by Russia's Internet Research Agency which ranks the fraud amounts paid by American corporations? Or do we have to search it up on zerohedge?

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You sound like a conspiracy theorist. You don't trust the previous posts here about Pfizer's fines? Bidenistas here don't trust VAERS. Is all data that undermines covid vaccines fraudulent all of a sudden?

Here is one of them, fyi.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

Be careful because Russia may have hacked the justice department with this misinformation!

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Because you have to be a "learned scholar" to criticize the business practices one of the most heavily fined for fraud American corporation.

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Movielover wasn't discussing business practices in the post I quoted from.

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movielover said:

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Of coarse, Pfizer gave the vaxx to the original control group before the first study was concluded. I've never heard that one before.

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Yes, I'm sure you've been a learned scholar about the details of the clinical trials of hundreds of vaccines.

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Vaccine trials last years (often 5-10 years) as both the test group and control group are monitored for adverse effects. This way you can track long term effects of the vaccine vs the control group. In this extremely rare case, the control group was removed early in the trial. Therefore, medium and long term effects of the vaccine cannot be measured against anything.

This is easily demonstrated by the pundits here who claim that health conditions of the vaccinated can't be proved that the vaccine caused it because other things can cause these health conditions as well and direct causation has never been demonstrated in trials.

Simply put, the trial was halted so there is no way to prove the vaccine causes any intermediate or long term health effects. There is no unvaccinated control group to test against.

You don't have to be a learned scholar to know that removing the control group from a trial invalidates results.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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movielover said:

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Of coarse, Pfizer gave the vaxx to the original control group before the first study was concluded. I've never heard that one before.

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Yes, I'm sure you've been a learned scholar about the details of the clinical trials of hundreds of vaccines.

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Vaccine trials last years (often 5-10 years) as both the test group and control group are monitored for adverse effects. This way you can track long term effects of the vaccine vs the control group. In this extremely rare case, the control group was removed early in the trial. Therefore, medium and long term effects of the vaccine cannot be measured against anything.

This is easily demonstrated by the pundits here who claim that health conditions of the vaccinated can't be proved that the vaccine caused it because other things can cause these health conditions as well and direct causation has never been demonstrated in trials.

Simply put, the trial was halted so there is no way to prove the vaccine causes any intermediate or long term health effects. There is no unvaccinated control group to test against.

You don't have to be a learned scholar to know that removing the control group from a trial invalidates results.

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Yes, but he said he had never seen a case like that before. That suggests he's claiming to have examined numerous vaccine trials. I strongly doubt that is the case.

Secondly, we had a world wide pandemic going on. Are you suggesting we should have studied the vaccine for 5-10 years before using it? I'm sure they weighed the lives they would save then versus knowing the long term effects before making their decision, right or wrong.

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Cal88 said:

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Because you have to be a "learned scholar" to criticize the business practices one of the most heavily fined for fraud American corporation.

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Can you provide us with the information prepared by Russia's Internet Research Agency which ranks the fraud amounts paid by American corporations? Or do we have to search it up on zerohedge?

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You sound like a conspiracy theorist. You don't trust the previous posts here about Pfizer's fines? Bidenistas here don't trust VAERS. Is all data that undermines covid vaccines fraudulent all of a sudden?

Here is one of them, fyi.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

Be careful because Russia may have hacked the justice department with this misinformation!

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Nice straw man. I choose my words carefully. You should respond to what I say.

You're changing topics. Keep the control group non vaxxed.

dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Because you have to be a "learned scholar" to criticize the business practices one of the most heavily fined for fraud American corporation.

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Can you provide us with the information prepared by Russia's Internet Research Agency which ranks the fraud amounts paid by American corporations? Or do we have to search it up on zerohedge?

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You sound like a conspiracy theorist. You don't trust the previous posts here about Pfizer's fines? Bidenistas here don't trust VAERS. Is all data that undermines covid vaccines fraudulent all of a sudden?

Here is one of them, fyi.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

Be careful because Russia may have hacked the justice department with this misinformation!

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Nice straw man. I choose my words carefully. You should respond to what I say.

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You are dismissing what he said by basically saying he reads and pedals Russian disinformation and his claim that Pfizer is one of the most fined fraudulent corporations is Russian disinformation when

The truth is that a basic google search will show you that they are indeed one of the most fined and fraudulent corporations as demonstrated in my link.

Which further demonstrates that not only are you wrong, but you are now doubling down on stupid. Get your head out of the sand.

Next time, say, wow, you were right. Pfizer is actually one of the most fined, fraudulent corporations. I am sorry I accused you of pedaling Russian disinformation. In the future, I will actually do some research before pedalling Biden's talking points.

oski003 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Because you have to be a "learned scholar" to criticize the business practices one of the most heavily fined for fraud American corporation.

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Can you provide us with the information prepared by Russia's Internet Research Agency which ranks the fraud amounts paid by American corporations? Or do we have to search it up on zerohedge?

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You sound like a conspiracy theorist. You don't trust the previous posts here about Pfizer's fines? Bidenistas here don't trust VAERS. Is all data that undermines covid vaccines fraudulent all of a sudden?

Here is one of them, fyi.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

Be careful because Russia may have hacked the justice department with this misinformation!

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Nice straw man. I choose my words carefully. You should respond to what I say.

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You are dismissing what he said by basically saying he reads and pedals Russian disinformation and his claim that Pfizer is one of the most fined fraudulent corporations is Russian disinformation when

The truth is that a basic google search will show you that they are indeed one of the most fined and fraudulent corporations as demonstrated in my link.

Which further demonstrates that not only are you wrong, but you are now doubling down on stupid. Get your head out of the sand.

Next time, say, wow, you were right. Pfizer is actually one of the most fined, fraudulent corporations. I am sorry I accused you of pedaling Russian disinformation. In the future, I will actually do some research before pedalling Biden's talking points.

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You're really doubling down on this stupid strawman for the benefit of our resident Russian propagandist? Your desperate desire to find arguments with people is sad, even by the sad, low standards of this board.

I didn't say anything about Pfizer. I'm sure they've been fined plenty. As a regular person I don't have a list of the most fined corporations in America. But I bet Russia's Internet Research Agency does.

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You're changing topics. Keep the control group non vaxxed.

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+1000 . Nobody said we had to do a 5-10 year trial before giving a Covid vaccine to the public.

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Then why did you bring up the 5-10 year trial figure?

dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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oski003 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Because you have to be a "learned scholar" to criticize the business practices one of the most heavily fined for fraud American corporation.

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Can you provide us with the information prepared by Russia's Internet Research Agency which ranks the fraud amounts paid by American corporations? Or do we have to search it up on zerohedge?

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You sound like a conspiracy theorist. You don't trust the previous posts here about Pfizer's fines? Bidenistas here don't trust VAERS. Is all data that undermines covid vaccines fraudulent all of a sudden?

Here is one of them, fyi.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

Be careful because Russia may have hacked the justice department with this misinformation!

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Nice straw man. I choose my words carefully. You should respond to what I say.

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You are dismissing what he said by basically saying he reads and pedals Russian disinformation and his claim that Pfizer is one of the most fined fraudulent corporations is Russian disinformation when

The truth is that a basic google search will show you that they are indeed one of the most fined and fraudulent corporations as demonstrated in my link.

Which further demonstrates that not only are you wrong, but you are now doubling down on stupid. Get your head out of the sand.

Next time, say, wow, you were right. Pfizer is actually one of the most fined, fraudulent corporations. I am sorry I accused you of pedaling Russian disinformation. In the future, I will actually do some research before pedalling Biden's talking points.

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You're really doubling down on this stupid strawman for the benefit of our resident Russian propagandist? Your desperate desire to find arguments with people is sad, even by the sad, low standards of this board.

I didn't say anything about Pfizer. I'm sure they've been fined plenty. As a regular person I don't have a list of the most fined corporations in America. But I bet Russia's Internet Research Agency does.

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The discussion is about Pfizer. You are arguing against a post that you clearly didn't comprehend. Seriously, scroll up, figure out what is going on, and apologize.