Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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In reply to smh • 12:10p, 6/17/25
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too bad, sorrry. signed, many times vaccinated # no regrets
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In reply to bearister • 1:42p, 6/17/25
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Cal88 said:
Finally!



Dr. Simone Gold, leading anti-vax figure, sentenced for storming Capitol on Jan. 6 - ABC News


https://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-simone-gold-leading-anti-vax-figure-sentenced/story?id=85445732

*She apparently may be competent and dedicated emergency medicine physician but other than that….she is not an Immunologist,Virologist, Infectious Disease Specialist, or a
Physician Scientist.

You don't have to be a specialist or professional scientist today to know that mRNA covid vaccines should not be administered to healthy children. There aren't many countries left that do this, it's about time that guideline was amended.
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Japanese study with data from 18 million Japanese patients shows increased mortality among the vaccinated, with the mortality rate going up with the number of shots taken.







Pr. Murakami, at the 7:06 mark, states that the mRNA vaccines are toxic and ineffective. He is a professor at the Tokyo University of Science, where he serves as vice director at the Research Center for RNA Science. He holds a Doctor of Pharmaceutical Science from the University of Tokyo and has authored over 100 scientific publications.
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11:41a, 6/18/25


From the same Japan study.
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In reply to bear2034 • 4:09p, 6/18/25
I assume you realize that the fact this earth shattering information is being conveyed by you, the Vigilant Fox and Liz Churchill is not helpful to promoting public safety in this matter.

You are aware Japan is the most vaccine resistant culture on earth, yeah? I will await the medical rebuttal to this recent "study."

BTW, I hope Trump is a "true believer" like RFK,Jr. when it comes to studies like this.


Hopefully Trump is no longer under the Black Magic spell of guys like Dr. Fauci so that he won't get vaccinated or take monoclonal antibodies just because he is a bit wheezy. Next time that happens, a little hydroxychloroquine and he will be sound as a pound.

*….and if you have kids in school that get meningitis because they didn't get vaccinated for it, are you going to go with the Christian Scientist's go to "God's will?"
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In reply to bearister • 5:19p, 6/18/25
bearister said:
I assume you realize that the fact this earth shattering information is being conveyed by you, the Vigilant Fox and Liz Churchill is not helpful to promoting public safety in this matter.

You are aware Japan is the most vaccine resistant culture on earth, yeah? I will await the medical rebuttal to this recent "study."

BTW, I hope Trump is a "true believer" like RFK,Jr. when it comes to studies like this.

Hopefully Trump is no longer under the Black Magic spell of guys like Dr. Fauci so that he won't get vaccinated or take monoclonal antibodies just because he is a bit wheezy. Next time that happens, a little hydroxychloroquine and he will be sound as a pound.

*….and if you have kids in school that get meningitis because they didn't get vaccinated for it, are you going to go with the Christian Scientist's go to "God's will?"

I didn't know Japan is most vaccine resistant culture on earth, seems false. They're probably the largest mask wearing country on earth which makes sense for other things besides the Covid virus.

Hey, look at what Trump admin did:

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In reply to bear2034 • 6:13p, 6/18/25
I misspoke. The proper terminology is "vaccine hesitancy."



Vaccine Hesitancy in Japan: From a Perspective on Medical Uncertainty and Trans-Scientific Theory - PMC
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9849825/


Nomura-et-al.-Vaccine-Hesitancy-in-Japan-2024
https://caprifoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Nomura-et-al.-Vaccine-Hesitancy-in-Japan-2024.pdf



Japan's Decades-Long Vaccine Hesitancy
https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/news-and-opinion/japans-decades-long-vaccine-hesitancy/

"Japan's mistrust of vaccines can be traced back to the 1990s, when the government introduced the MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) vaccine. Reports of adverse side effects, such as aseptic meningitis and autism, led to widespread public outrage and lawsuits. Although later studies debunked some of the concerns, the damage was done. Public trust in government vaccination programs was shattered, and Japan pulled back from aggressive vaccination campaigns.

…….Japan's reluctance toward vaccines isn't purely based on historical controversy. Deep-rooted cultural beliefs play a significant role. There is a strong emphasis on holistic health and natural remedies, which many believe to be safer than medical interventions like vaccines. This belief is compounded by a general societal preference for avoiding risks and a collective aversion to things perceived as unnatural."
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6:56p, 6/18/25
Isn't "more people die after taking the vaccine" mostly a function of age and health conditions? That older people and the immunocompromised would be more likely to take the vaccine more than once? And of course they would have higher death rates down the line?

Or does this study control for that in some way?
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In reply to sycasey • 7:17p, 6/18/25
The study is new. Someone will rip its methodology a new a$$h@le.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:34p, 6/18/25
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Isn't "more people die after taking the vaccine" mostly a function of age and health conditions? That older people and the immunocompromised would be more likely to take the vaccine more than once? And of course they would have higher death rates down the line?

Or does this study control for that in some way?



If you look at the graph above, the two populations, vaxed and unvaxed, start at the same level, then the vaxed rates shoot up while the unvaxed stays flat, then they start converging later.

This means that the other factors don't play a big role, the bump is due to the jab, clearly.

Actually if I were vaxed, that curve is somewhat reassuring as it shows that the added mortality from vaccines is mostly confined to the year after the jab. Good news!!

Keep in mind that this study was done with a huge sample size, 18 million Japanese.

The covid vaccinated rate in Japan is 80%, but only 67% took a booster, so the population profile is nicely staggered along the number of shots taken, lending itself well to this kind of a comparison study.
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In reply to bearister • 7:42p, 6/18/25
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The study is new. Someone will rip its methodology a new a$$h@le.

That's what I'm wondering about here. Previous studies that have asserted this have generally fallen into the trap I noted above.
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7:58p, 6/18/25
What is the date of the Japanese study that is the subject of this discussion and what journal is published in?

I am trying to figure out if this is the same study:

Fact Check: Japanese study does not report explosion in deaths among COVID-vaccinated | Reuters


https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/japanese-study-does-not-report-explosion-deaths-among-covid-vaccinated-2025-04-24/

"A new study concludes excess deaths increased in Japan during the COVID-19 pandemic but does not report any explosion in mortality among those vaccinated against the disease, as claimed in social media posts.

The research, published, opens new tab on April 5 in BMJ Public Health, looked at excess deaths - the number of deaths over and above past patterns - in Japan between 2020 and 2023 compared with 2015 to 2019."

Social media posts, opens new tab on April 13 shared a headline from Slay News, a website that Reuters has fact-checked on multiple occasions, about the study that said Japan had issued a global alert about an explosion in excess deaths among vaccinated people.

This is absolutely a false and misleading claim," Ganan Devanathan, a doctoral student from the University of Tokyo and lead author of the study, told Reuters in an email. "Our research in no way suggested that excess deaths are exploding amongst the COVID-vaccinated population. We did not investigate any association with vaccines, or the vaccinated population."
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In reply to bearister • 8:51p, 6/18/25
bearister said:
What is the date of the Japanese study that is the subject of this discussion and what journal is published in?

I am trying to figure out if this is the same study:

Fact Check: Japanese study does not report explosion in deaths among COVID-vaccinated | Reuters


https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/japanese-study-does-not-report-explosion-deaths-among-covid-vaccinated-2025-04-24/

"A new study concludes excess deaths increased in Japan during the COVID-19 pandemic but does not report any explosion in mortality among those vaccinated against the disease, as claimed in social media posts.

The research, published, opens new tab on April 5 in BMJ Public Health, looked at excess deaths - the number of deaths over and above past patterns - in Japan between 2020 and 2023 compared with 2015 to 2019."

Social media posts, opens new tab on April 13 shared a headline from Slay News, a website that Reuters has fact-checked on multiple occasions, about the study that said Japan had issued a global alert about an explosion in excess deaths among vaccinated people.

This is absolutely a false and misleading claim," Ganan Devanathan, a doctoral student from the University of Tokyo and lead author of the study, told Reuters in an email. "Our research in no way suggested that excess deaths are exploding amongst the COVID-vaccinated population. We did not investigate any association with vaccines, or the vaccinated population."
Doesn't look like Murakami's name is on it, so I assume not the same one.
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9:22p, 6/18/25
"In Japan, a dataset has been released showing a correlation between the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses received and earlier deaths among vaccinated individuals. This data, analyzed by Dr. Yasufumi Murakami, indicates that the more doses one receives, the sooner death occurs post-vaccination, prompting calls for a reevaluation of vaccination protocols. However, the complexity of interpreting vaccine-related data has been highlighted by sources like Reuters, which caution that correlation does not imply causation.
Japan Releases Data Showing COVID Vaccines Hasten Death, MAGA Split on Iran Peak Prosperity


https://peakprosperity.com/daily-digest/japan-releases-data-showing-covid-vaccines-hasten-death-maga-split-on-iran/

Japan Releases Bombshell Vax vs. Unvax Data on 18 Million People | The Gateway Pundit | by Vigilant Fox


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/japan-releases-bombshell-vax-vs-unvax-data-18/

The sources of reporting of this story go in my Sketch as F@uck file. I will keep my eye out for non conspiracy rabbit hole reporting of this "study."
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My query: "is this true? Japanese doctors with a database of 18 million vaccinated people have found: the more shots you get, the sooner you die."

Grok answer:

The claim that "Japanese doctors with a database of 18 million vaccinated people have found: the more shots you get, the sooner you die" stems from a study and related social media posts that have been widely discussed but also heavily criticized for misinterpretation. Let's break it down based on available evidence.
The claim primarily references a study led by Professor Yasufumi Murakami from Tokyo University of Science, which reportedly analyzed a database of 18 million people in Japan, both vaccinated and unvaccinated. Social media posts, particularly on X, and some online articles (e.g., from Slay News and Daily Telegraph NZ) cite this study, asserting it shows a correlation between increased COVID-19 vaccine doses and earlier mortality, with a notable spike in deaths 34 months after vaccination. These sources quote Dr. Murakami saying, "The more doses you get, the sooner you're likely to die, within a shorter period," and point to a graph showing death spikes post-vaccination, particularly after the third dose.

However, there are significant issues with this interpretation. The lead author of a related study published in BMJ Public Health, Ganan Devanathan, explicitly stated to Reuters that claims linking excess deaths to COVID-19 vaccination are "absolutely false and misleading." The BMJ study analyzed excess mortality in Japan during the pandemic but did not investigate any association with vaccines or the vaccinated population. Instead, it noted that excess deaths peaked in 2022 and were likely multifactorial, potentially involving interactions with other infectious diseases like influenza, not necessarily vaccines.

Additionally, the Japanese study cited in sensationalist claims (often linked to a Cureus journal article or other sources) has been criticized for methodological flaws. For instance, a fact-check by AFP notes that the Cureus study, which examined deaths within 10 days of Pfizer vaccination, relied on a passive reporting system where clinicians only report adverse events they suspect are vaccine-related. This system biases toward reporting sudden deaths shortly after vaccination, which does not prove causation. Experts like Takahiro Kino****a emphasized that such studies do not show a higher risk of death post-vaccination compared to later periods.

Other robust studies contradict the claim. A 2023 study from Kyoto University found that Japan's vaccine rollout in 2021 reduced COVID-19 deaths by over 97%. A 2024 VENUS study in Japan, examining mortality risk after mRNA vaccine boosters, found no increased mortality risk across age groups, with adjusted odds ratios indicating lower mortality risk after booster doses (e.g., 0.36 for the third dose in those over 65). Japan's health ministry also reports only two cases where a causal link between vaccination and death could not be ruled out, out of millions of doses administered.

The claim also ignores broader context: Japan's excess deaths in 20222023 (noted as 1400 per million in 2023) coincided with the Omicron variant surge, despite high vaccination rates. Hypotheses for these excess deaths include untested COVID-19 cases or strained medical resources, not vaccines. Moreover, global data, including from the WHO, indicates that COVID-19 vaccines saved millions of lives, with rare side effects like myocarditis being far less severe than complications from the virus itself.

On the other hand, some sources argue that the Japanese data raises legitimate concerns about vaccine safety, particularly citing government payouts for 8432 injuries, including 903 deaths, linked to COVID-19 vaccines as of November 2024. These numbers, while notable, are a tiny fraction of the millions vaccinated and don't establish causation, as most cases lack sufficient data to confirm a vaccine link. Critics of the vaccines also point to autopsies suggesting rare adverse events like myocarditis or thrombosis, but these are not representative of population-level risks.

In conclusion, the claim is misleading and not supported by rigorous evidence. The cited study does not conclusively show that more vaccine doses lead to earlier death. Instead, it appears to be a misrepresentation of data, with credible studies and Japan's health ministry finding no significant mortality risk from vaccines. Excess deaths in Japan are more likely tied to the pandemic's broader impacts than vaccination. Always cross-check such claims with primary sources or peer-reviewed studies, as social media can amplify distortions.
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The FDA is spreading anti-vaxxer disinformation now?
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In reply to bear2034 • 1:56p, 7/3/25
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The FDA is spreading anti-vaxxer disinformation now?


"The new warning has to include the following language: "Based on analyses of commercial health insurance claims data from inpatient and outpatient settings, the estimated unadjusted incidence of myocarditis and/or pericarditis during the period 1 through 7 days following administration of the 2023-2024 Formula of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines was approximately 8 cases per million doses in individuals 6 months through 64 years of age and approximately 27 cases per million doses in males 12 through 24 years of age."
COVID Vaccines Heart Risk Warning Update Issued by FDA - Newsweek


https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccines-heart-risk-warning-update-2091566

*It is very understandable how Trump got elected POTUS, twice. Watch a few of Jay Leno's Jay Walking bits on YouTube.

*The more MAGA that drop off the voter rolls because Trump tore their safety net to support his tax cuts for the rich and because they have been convinced by disinformation that health precautions are dangerous, the better off the nation will be.

*Is it a cause of concern for you when it is pointed out that your sources are purveyors of disinformation…..or are you a knowing advocate?
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In reply to bearister • 3:58p, 7/3/25
Young men aren't a high risk group.
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In reply to bearister • 7:09p, 7/3/25
bearister said:
bear2034 said:

The FDA is spreading anti-vaxxer disinformation now?


"The new warning has to include the following language: "Based on analyses of commercial health insurance claims data from inpatient and outpatient settings, the estimated unadjusted incidence of myocarditis and/or pericarditis during the period 1 through 7 days following administration of the 2023-2024 Formula of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines was approximately 8 cases per million doses in individuals 6 months through 64 years of age and approximately 27 cases per million doses in males 12 through 24 years of age."
COVID Vaccines Heart Risk Warning Update Issued by FDA - Newsweek


https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccines-heart-risk-warning-update-2091566

*It is very understandable how Trump got elected POTUS, twice. Watch a few of Jay Leno's Jay Walking bits on YouTube.

*The more MAGA that drop off the voter rolls because Trump tore their safety net to support his tax cuts for the rich and because they have been convinced by disinformation that health precautions are dangerous, the better off the nation will be.

*Is it a cause of concern for you when it is pointed out that your sources are purveyors of disinformation…..or are you a knowing advocate?

Data from Swiss, Japanese and Danish research that I have already posted on this thread put the detectable heart damage in young people receiving the mRNA vaccine well above 1%, more than 100 times worse than the FDA'a numbers above.
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:52p, 7/3/25
"…. more than 100 times worse than the FDA'a numbers above."

Please provide links. Will read.
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AI Overview

"A Swiss study found that elevated markers of myocardial injury occurred in approximately 2.8% of people (1 in 35) after receiving an mRNA COVID booster vaccine (mRNA-1273, Moderna). This figure represents participants with elevated high-sensitivity cardiac troponin T (hs-cTnT) levels on day 3 after vaccination, without a clear alternative explanation.

However, it's important to understand the context and limitations of these findings:
Elevated troponin doesn't automatically mean myocarditis or "heart damage" with lasting effects. Experts emphasize that elevated troponin levels can occur for various reasons, including strenuous exercise, and do not necessarily indicate clinically significant heart damage.

The study reported mild and transient changes. The elevated troponin levels observed were mild and decreased rapidly, returning to normal in half of the participants by day 4 after vaccination.

No definitive cases of myocarditis were found. While two participants with elevated troponin and chest pain met the criteria for probable myocarditis, the study did not find any confirmed cases.

No major adverse cardiac events occurred. Within 30 days of the booster, no participants experienced serious heart problems.

In summary, while the Swiss study did detect a signal of transient, mild heart injury in a small percentage of individuals after receiving the Moderna booster, this finding needs to be interpreted with caution. It does not mean that the vaccine caused serious or long-term heart damage in 1 in 35 people. The risk of heart complications from COVID-19 infection itself is significantly higher than the risks associated with the vaccine."

" So I asked GROK, how many people would have heart damage if 2.56 Billion people had Boosters?
73.1 Million People"

I wonder if he asked GROK about the
Japanese doctors with a database of 18 million vaccinated people finding: the more shots you get, the sooner you die? He wouldn't have liked the answer:

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/101590/replies/2513447

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In reply to bearister • 8:14a, 7/4/25
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The study reported mild and transient changes. The elevated troponin levels observed were mild and decreased rapidly, returning to normal in half of the participants by day 4 after vaccination.

Is this really reassuring? It means that half the affected had elevated levels of troponin after 4 days.


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No definitive cases of myocarditis were found. While two participants with elevated troponin and chest pain met the criteria for probable myocarditis, the study did not find any confirmed cases.

No major adverse cardiac events occurred. Within 30 days of the booster, no participants experienced serious heart problems.

Only chest pain, as if this was a normal rite of passage for a young person.



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In summary, while the Swiss study did detect a signal of transient, mild heart injury in a small percentage of individuals after receiving the Moderna booster, this finding needs to be interpreted with caution. It does not mean that the vaccine caused serious or long-term heart damage in 1 in 35 people. "

"Mild heart injury" in a "small percentage"? That percentage is 3%, vaccines and medicines have been pulled for percentages thousands of times smaller than that.


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The risk of heart complications from COVID-19 infection itself is significantly higher than the risks associated with the vaccine.
For young people, this is patently false.
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In reply to Cal88 • 8:24a, 7/4/25
Cal88 said:
bearister said:

The study reported mild and transient changes. The elevated troponin levels observed were mild and decreased rapidly, returning to normal in half of the participants by day 4 after vaccination.

Is this really reassuring? It means that half the affected had elevated levels of troponin after 4 days.


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No definitive cases of myocarditis were found. While two participants with elevated troponin and chest pain met the criteria for probable myocarditis, the study did not find any confirmed cases.

No major adverse cardiac events occurred. Within 30 days of the booster, no participants experienced serious heart problems.

Only chest pain, as if this was a normal rite of passage for a young person.



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In summary, while the Swiss study did detect a signal of transient, mild heart injury in a small percentage of individuals after receiving the Moderna booster, this finding needs to be interpreted with caution. It does not mean that the vaccine caused serious or long-term heart damage in 1 in 35 people. "

"Mild heart injury" in a "small percentage"? That percentage is 3%, vaccines and medicines have been pulled for percentages thousands of times smaller than that.


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The risk of heart complications from COVID-19 infection itself is significantly higher than the risks associated with the vaccine.
For young people, this is patently false.


I experience what felt like myocarditis after my second dose of moderna but was not formally diagnosed as having such. My chest was tight for about a month, and I couldn't exercise for this time period (except for the treadmill at doc office when I got an EKG). I have since fully recovered. I have had covid twice and experienced the same feeling one of the times I had covid. Both times I had covid were after having received my first and only booster. I never got it before that.
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In reply to oski003 • 12:10p, 7/4/25
Will you continue getting boosted?

A friend who has Parkinsons, 67, is fully vaxxed and boosted. He has a minor cut on his shin that won't heal, a mutual friend believes his ability to fight off infections has been degraded.
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In reply to movielover • 12:25p, 7/4/25
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Will you continue getting boosted?

A friend who has Parkinsons, 67, is fully vaxxed and boosted. He has a minor cut on his shin that won't heal, a mutual friend believes his ability to fight off infections has been degraded.


I don't currently feel the need to get boosted. If healthy folks my age start dying of covid, I will reevaluate it.
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In reply to movielover • 12:35p, 7/4/25
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Will you continue getting boosted?

A friend who has Parkinsons, 67, is fully vaxxed and boosted. He has a minor cut on his shin that won't heal, a mutual friend believes his ability to fight off infections has been degraded.
And it's this type of thinking by the mutual friend that helps nothing. They might as well think the poor healing is because the earth is flat.
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Recent news indicates that Elon Musk has expressed dissatisfaction with some of Grok's answers, particularly when they contradict his personal political views.

Maybe Musk can enlist some input from RFK Jr to help kick the Grok Coke machine a few times until it spits out anti vax misinformation in response to vaccine queries.

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10:27a, 7/7/25
"BOSTON July 7, 2025 Today, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), American College of Physicians (ACP), American Public Health Association (APHA), Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA), Massachusetts Public Health Alliance (MPHA), Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM), and a pregnant physician, filed suit in American Academy of Pediatrics v. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts to defend vaccine policy, and to put an end to the Secretary's assault on science, public health and evidence-based medicine."
https://www.acponline.org/acp-newsroom/leading-medical-professional-societies-patient-sue-hhs-robert-f-kennedy-jr-for-unlawful-unilateral

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In reply to bearister • 12:26p, 7/7/25
bearister said:
"BOSTON July 7, 2025 Today, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), American College of Physicians (ACP), American Public Health Association (APHA), Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA), Massachusetts Public Health Alliance (MPHA), Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM), and a pregnant physician, filed suit in American Academy of Pediatrics v. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts to defend vaccine policy, and to put an end to the Secretary's assault on science, public health and evidence-based medicine."
https://www.acponline.org/acp-newsroom/leading-medical-professional-societies-patient-sue-hhs-robert-f-kennedy-jr-for-unlawful-unilateral

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*If the plaintiffs have any victories in this case (injunctions, verdict, and lower court of appeal),Trump's SCOTUS will reverse in favor of the Administration.





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12:34p, 7/7/25
I don't know. If a private insurer bean counts to determine incentives like this reduce overall expenses then why not? I think their decision about vaccines for 2 years and younger is incredibly dumb and not supported by the data.
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