Vaccine Redux - Vax up and go to Class

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9:15p, 9/17/25
Breitbart News has reported that Poul Thorsen, the Danish researcher whose work has been used for two decades to dismiss any link between vaccines and autism, has finally been arrested in Germany after more than a decade as a fugitive.
Thorsen, 64, was indicted by a federal grand jury in Atlanta in 2011 on 22 counts of wire fraud and money laundering. Prosecutors allege that from 2004 to 2010, he stole more than $1 million in CDC research fundsmoney intended to study autism, infant disabilities, genetic disorders, and fetal alcohol syndrome. According to the indictment, Thorsen funneled funds into his own accounts using fraudulent invoices on CDC letterhead.
He has been on the HHS "Most Wanted" list for over a decade. Acting on an INTERPOL red notice, German authorities finally took him into custody in June. The Department of Justice is now working with Germany to extradite him for trial in the United States.
Thorsen wasn't just any researcher. He co-authored the infamous 2002 Danish study (published in NEJM) that became the CDC's so-called "gold standard" for dismissing any link between vaccines and autism. That paper was cited by the National Academy of Medicine, weaponized to shut down more than 5,000 federal vaccine injury claims, and is still rolled out by officials today.

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/breaking-fugitive-vaccine-researcher
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10:05p, 9/17/25
Truly heartbreaking. Sorry for the OT here but let's forget all the vaccine stuff and please read these two articles about Jamie. Whatever the cause, we MUST do better.

https://jbhandley.substack.com/p/autism-is-beautiful-autism-is-heartbreakingly

I coach special needs basketball and soccer. I will never look at one of my non-verbal kids the same way again.

https://jbhandley.substack.com/p/i-was-so-wrong-about-autism-thank-c96
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 11:08p, 9/17/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:

They had more of an argument when the consequences of catching COVID unvaccinated seemed more dire than they were in reality and the vaccine was promised to do things it couldn't deliver. Once we knew the vaccine was just a glorified flu shot and didn't prevent you from catching COVID anyway, it made all those people look stupid in retrospect.

I have more compassion for the non-medical people who were given bad info by the media and our public health officials than I do for our public health officials who should all be out of public health for life for lying about something this important. I once felt the way they did based on all that same bad information. The difference is that now, given all the information, I can see that I was looking at it the wrong way and change my thinking. Most of those people are too dogmatic to ever admit they were wrong.
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In reply to Zippergate • 10:07a, 9/18/25
Zippergate said:
Truly heartbreaking. Sorry for the OT here but let's forget all the vaccine stuff and please read these two articles about Jamie. Whatever the cause, we MUST do better.

https://jbhandley.substack.com/p/autism-is-beautiful-autism-is-heartbreakingly

I coach special needs basketball and soccer. I will never look at one of my non-verbal kids the same way again.

https://jbhandley.substack.com/p/i-was-so-wrong-about-autism-thank-c96


Wow. That opens a huge window. Thanks for sharing.

A friend coaches special needs children on Long Island. His team was selected to throw out the first pitch at a Yankees game. They selected a member, they hand him the ball, and he throws a perfect strike to the catcher!
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In reply to sycasey • 5:14p, 9/18/25
"Health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s handpicked slate of vaccine advisers"??
fark-em once twice three times (best)
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6:53p, 9/19/25

Kimmel was an above-average vaccine salesman.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 7:07p, 9/19/25
PAC-10-BEAR said:

Kimmel was an above-average vaccine salesman.


Ironically, Biden's admin would have had him cancelled if he was giving anti-vaccine monologues.
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8:18p, 9/19/25
Where has this "troubling data on safety concerns" been? Anyway, now that THE authoritative medical body on vaccinations, ACIP, has reversed course, will medical associations and institutions follow suit? Not holding my breath. Don't worry vaxxers, you can still get the vaxx. It's just not recommended. Science.

https://imahealth.substack.com/p/ima-praises-acips-unanimous-vote

The Independent Medical Alliance (IMA) applauds the unanimous, 12-0 vote by the HHS Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to end the universal recommendation for mRNA COVID-19 vaccines for infants, children, and adults.
The vote, which restores the patient-doctor relationship by recommending the vaccines only through "shared clinical decision-making" consultations with a healthcare provider, came after panel members were presented with troubling data on safety concerns and injuries associated with mRNA vaccines.
"This 'vaccine' was rushed into distribution from its inception, with a median review time of just 21 days before approval," said Dr. Joseph Varon, IMA President and Chief Medical Officer. "There's now a flood of peer-reviewed research highlighting the dangerous error of this process. This is, by far, the most harmful vaccine ever administered in the US. Today's move is a victory for patient rights and transparency."

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In reply to Zippergate • 8:30p, 9/19/25
"Don't worry vaxxers, you can still get the vaxx. It's just not recommended. Science."

Not by RFK Jr.'s handpicked "experts," anyway.

A lot of parents are putting their trust in Team RFK Jr. I wonder if they will feel raw about it if they turn out to be false prophets? If it works out over time, I will have to admit we have been oversold on vaccines. If it doesn't work out, then what? Any admissions?

Theoretically possible negative outcome from Kennedy policies under consideration by his panel that could potentially reduce childhood vaccination requirements:

"Potential resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases:

Measles: As of June 2025, the U.S. has experienced a near 20-year high in new measles cases, with some outbreaks resulting in fatalities, particularly among unvaccinated individuals. Weaker vaccine recommendations could exacerbate this trend.

Whooping cough (Pertussis): Cases have been on the rise, and recent deaths of unvaccinated infants have been reported. A decline in vaccination could increase illness and death, especially in babies.

Hepatitis B: Postponing or removing the universal recommendation for infant hepatitis B vaccination raises concerns. Prior to 1991, thousands of infants were infected annually, leading to a risk of liver disease and cancer later in life. Universal vaccination plummeted those numbers. Without a universal recommendation, newborns of mothers who were not screened or had false-negative results could be missed, leading to a rise in new infections.

Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b): A severe bacterial infection that can cause meningitis, a historically fatal disease in children. Before the vaccine became available in 1985, Hib was a leading cause of death and disability in children. With the potential for the vaccine to be removed from the recommended schedule, there is concern that Hib disease could return in large numbers.

Polio: Although eliminated from the U.S., public health officials worry about its potential return if vaccination rates drop significantly.

Diphtheria: Once known as the "strangling angel," this serious respiratory disease could also re-emerge if vaccination rates fall among teenagers."
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9:31p, 9/19/25
Not by RFK Jr.'s handpicked "experts," anyway.

Now the experts are handpicked? ROFL. You're right, just not by the Pharma Industrial Complex.

Back in reality, this is what an iatrogenic catastrophe looks like.



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In reply to Zippergate • 9:40p, 9/19/25
What country gives no childhood vaccines until 2 years of age?
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11:25a, 9/20/25
Pfizer admits (listen to the audio) to doctoring the bio distribution data, but it's all good since they worked with the FDA on it.
Clown world.

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9:43a, 9/21/25
RFK Jr. Has a Prescription for America: Pure Chaos https://www.thebulwark.com/p/rfk-jr-prescription-pure-chaos-vaccines-cdc-monarez-acip

" But the meeting also stood out for its disarray. One particularly memorable sequence started at the end of Thursday's session, when the panel prepared to vote on a resolution that would affect availability of the MMRV shot, which combines immunization for varicella (chickenpox) with immunization for measles, mumps, and rubella.

The resolution's wording and meaning were unclear, as one panelist protested openly. The panel approved it anyway, only to hold a new vote and reverse the decision at the start of Friday's session, evidently because several other panelists had also been confused.

"We are rookies," chairman Martin Kulldorff acknowledged in his opening remarks Friday which perhaps understated things, given that five of the twelve members hadn't even been named until four days before……….

During the Texas measles outbreak, Monarez said, neither she nor any of the career CDC scientists briefed Kennedy-something highly unusual for any outbreak, let alone one that had resulted in the first child measles deaths in decades. But the outbreak still kept her busy, in part because Kennedy was putting out so many false statements about vaccines.

"He said things like 'vaccines had fetal parts,'" Monarez said, "and I had to send a note to our leadership team to correct that misinformation."………

It's difficult to capture all the ways in which last week's meeting deviated from those norms, because it was so full of bizarre moments like the time on Friday morning when an open mic caught somebody saying "you're an idiot" while committee member and MIT professor Retsef Levi was speaking……….

The result was a series of unsubstantiated, ill-informed statements like the time one panelist asked about adjuvants in a vaccine that doesn't contain them, or moments when panelists seemed not to understand their authority that had prominent experts from around the country aghast. Among them was Stanley Plotkin, who developed the rubella vaccine in the 1960s and is the author of the field's standard textbook, Plotkin's Vaccines. After watching the proceedings, he wrote an email to Levi stating, "Please consider whether your grasp of immunology and public health is sufficient to make recommendations that will result in more disease. Modesty about your basic knowledge would help."



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3:44p, 9/21/25
It's about credibility. When evaluating any drug for approval, especially a biologic like the Covid vaccines, the FDA is required to not only rigorously investigate the safety and effectiveness but also the production process by which it will be made for public consumption. This is drug regulation 101. Safety and effectiveness are irrelevant if a drug can't be produced with consistency, potency and purity.

Pfizer gathered data on its Covid vaccine and submitted it to the FDA using one production process, then switched to an entirely different production process for the vaccines produced for mass consumption without submitting any new data. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a well-known fact acknowledged by everyone. This kind of bait-and-switch makes a mockery of the narrative that no safety steps were bypassed in the approval of the Covid vaccines.

But the charade here is even worse because these vaccines were introduced almost FIVE YEARS AGO. You'd think that would be time enough for the FDA to investigate the production process that is actually being used. Here we have a clip from an FDA official at the ACIP meeting. When confronted with the evidence that multiple independent researchers have provided information indicating consistent levels of contamination that are orders of magnitude higher than FDA limits, the FDA official sincerely thanks the researchers for bringing this to the attention of the public, says that the FDA takes safety issues very seriously and that it is not being ignored. Wow, how reassuring, seems like they're really on top of this. <g>

But then she says, "I can only give you what I have been given which is what the sponsors (Pfizer etc) have provided us about the DNA levels in their products." Translation: We haven't done anything to evaluate the consistency and purity of a product that has been injected into hundreds of millions of Americans, but the drug companies said it's all good and that's good enough for us. But it gets better. She's then asked if the FDA has plans to conduct a post production independent evaluation and she responds that "that is something that is being discussed" and "we take this issue very seriously." Wait, so the FDA knows there is contamination thanks only to the efforts of independent researchers but still hasn't even decided to actually investigate it??? AFTER ALMOST FIVE YEARS??? Is that how you thought the process worked?

These are the gatekeepers, and they can't even follow their own rules. But Bearister would have us believe that whatever is approved by them is "safe and effective" merely by virtue of their appointed position as regulators of the system. That even though they have proven completely untrustworthy with respect to the Covid vaccines, they are somehow credible with respect to other drugs including all the vaccines on the childhood schedule. The public is starting to get it. Bearister will too and hopefully it's not the hard way.

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In reply to Zippergate • 3:58p, 9/21/25
Previous studies also revealed 'bad batches'. I believe Dr. Malone says Deoin Sanders multiple health issues are classic turbo cancer and other maladies.



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In reply to movielover • 4:49p, 9/21/25


RFK Jr and his posse are driving the boat for the nation's health. Does he steer you MAGAs to calm waters or hit the f@ucking pier?

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In reply to bearister • 4:52p, 9/21/25
If young children weren't at risk, why did we advise the vaxx for them?
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In reply to Zippergate • 7:00p, 9/21/25
I will continue to not follow the medical advice advocated by you, RFK Jr., his panel of medical experts, and any medical expert that you rely on.

You wrote:

"The public is starting to get it. Bearister will too and hopefully it's not the hard way."

I'm not buying any well wishes you pretend to have for someone not willing to buy what you are selling, so please spare me.

I'm not going to counter the vaccine misinformation that you and your BI disciples continue to spread here anymore. It will take some of the fun out of it for you because I think I am the only BI poster that disagrees with you that reads this thread. Enjoy your echo chamber. Are you guys even making a noise if no one is here to listen?Adios



P.S. Curious about something that relates to my Bundle of Beliefs Theory: Did you agree with the sentiments expressed by Stephen Miller in his speech at the Kirk Memorial today?
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In reply to bearister • 8:51p, 9/21/25
Well, that's a shame. Where are we to turn for credulous appeals to authority? I guess we'll have to tune into MSNBC for that. Honestly, I do hope that you don't have to FAFO but it may already too late. I take no pleasure in saying that; most of my family and friends are vaxxed.

As for Stephen Miller, I'm not sure that was the right tone, but yeah, I do agree with him. If you think the problem is the people in that arena and not trantifa, the progressive race baiters who inspire the likes of Decarlos Brown, the globalists and Islamists who want to destroy western civilization, etc, I don't know what to say.

Btw, you're due for another booster. Not kidding either. Negative efficacy after a few months; it's a fact. Science.
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In reply to bearister • 8:58p, 9/21/25
> I think I am the only BI poster that disagrees with you that reads this thread. Enjoy your echo chamber. Are you guys even making a noise if no one is here to listen?Adios

nahh, some of us ignore lots Lots of pains, and of course vice versa. #goobers
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In reply to bearister • 1:31a, 9/22/25
bearister said:
I will continue to not follow the medical advice advocated by you, RFK Jr., his panel of medical experts, and any medical expert that you rely on.

We're all in the same boat. I ignored my family doctor when he recommended Covid boosters until 2024.

The problem is with the suppression and cancellation of other voices within the public health and medical sciences that happened during Covid. And if you're honest, you would know this was mostly coming from Big Pharma and left-wing media and politicians.
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