You know what is hilariously funny(but not really) is this you people created Race as social construct But Now don't want to hear about it… aww

Never mind living with racism surviving racism not to mention dying because of racism.

Y'all created the problem so me talking about or raising it whenever the F I feel like it !!!
y'all should have never started the bull **** it

Your white fragility is your and your people's problem

As long as posts on this board refer to Black people (descendants of chattel slavery) as "blacks" I will continue to remind you of your ills

Unit2Sucks said:

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Don't worry guys, the dumbest people in America have it all figured out.

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The Race to The Bottom continues.
Welcome to Dumberica!

The people whom

Refer to Black people as ""blacks"

Complaining about racism/ws/wd being called out but are never negatively affected by it don't have to live with it

Those whom benefit from racism or condone or coddle it

Was I clear ? Or did I need to go on further

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdfR441k/

The Ukraine got guns faster than Flint,Michigan got clean water …hmm

Do you get the feeling that Putin assigning a general to Ukraine is like Hitler sending one of his to the Russian front? I don't think it's a promotion…but maybe a purge?

Ukraine war: Russian loses a fourth general, Kyiv claims



https://mol.im/a/10618211

Audio recording of Russian Police interrogating war protestor and beating her.

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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdfR441k/

The Ukraine got guns faster than Flint,Michigan got clean water …hmm

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Flint, Michigan has the most liberal City Council in the United States.
Perhaps that's where you can focus your blame.
Or are you giving them a pass?

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Audio recording of Russian Police interrogating war protestor and beating her.

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I was going to call BS on this because the woman didn't seem to be reacting very much to all the punches she was being hit with, but her crying at the end was haunting, so now I'm not sure what to make of it.

Do they have clean water yet ? Yes or no? Stay on topic

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Why do you keep bringing up Flint's city council? Do you think they are responsible for the water crisis? From everything I've seen, the crisis was a result of the city being taken under state control. Do you think the current day city council (2/3 of whom joined in the last few months) could have prevented this from occurring a decade ago?

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The way you talk about Flint is very similar to how a lot of people talk about Chicago whenever anyone complains about a school shooting or a mass murder. I assume you aren't intending to misdirect like that, but that's how it reads.

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Quite simply, it goes to LEADERSHIP.

The FLINT CITY COUNCIL voted 7 - 1 to switch water suppliers from the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department to the Karegnondi Water Authority. Inadequate treatment and testing of the water from the Flint River resulted in a series of major water quality and health issues for Flint residents, which were chronically ignored, overlooked, and discounted by local government officials over an 18 month period.

Bottomline: The water from the Flint River was highly corrosive and local Flint officials failed to treat it.

You get who you vote for.

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sycasey said:

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Flint is a state/local issue. Arms to Ukraine is something done entirely at the federal level. This is not an apples-to-apples comparison.

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I think maybe G4R is trying to suggest that Flint is the responsibility of every white man in America.

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I'm 4th generation Californian and a product of the public school system.

My parents met at CAL back in the mid-50's, rented an apartment on Berkeley Way and moved to the Diablo Valley in the early 60's. - - - Like the majority of posters here, my ancestors have had absolutely nothing to do with slavery and no one in my family has anything to do with the State of Michigan, let alone Flint.

But according to Going 4 Roses, I am responsible for making reparations.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Why do you keep bringing up Flint's city council? Do you think they are responsible for the water crisis? From everything I've seen, the crisis was a result of the city being taken under state control. Do you think the current day city council (2/3 of whom joined in the last few months) could have prevented this from occurring a decade ago?

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The way you talk about Flint is very similar to how a lot of people talk about Chicago whenever anyone complains about a school shooting or a mass murder. I assume you aren't intending to misdirect like that, but that's how it reads.

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Quite simply, it goes to LEADERSHIP.

The FLINT CITY COUNCIL voted 7 - 1 to switch water suppliers from the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department to the Karegnondi Water Authority. Inadequate treatment and testing of the water from the Flint River resulted in a series of major water quality and health issues for Flint residents, which were chronically ignored, overlooked, and discounted by local government officials over an 18 month period.

Bottomline: The water from the Flint River was highly corrosive and local Flint officials failed to treat it.

You get who you vote for.

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Nice story but is it true?

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Here's the problem with that: City officials did not drive the decision to take water from the Flint River. There was never such a vote by the city council, which really didn't have the power to make such a decision anyway, because the city was under the control of a state-appointed emergency manager.


The council's vote in March 2013 was to switch water supply from Detroit to a new pipeline through the Karegnondi Water Authority - but the pipeline wasn't scheduled to be completed for at least three years. (And even that decision was given final approval not by the council, but by then-state Treasurer Andy Dillon, according to Snyder emails released Wednesday.)


Snyder said that Detroit, after being informed of the Flint council vote, sent a "letter of termination" of water service. Detroit sent a letter giving Flint one year on its existing contract, but that didn't mean Flint couldn't get water from Detroit after that date. In fact, there was a flurry of negotiations between Detroit and Flint to sign a new contract that would carry Flint through until it could connect to the under-construction pipeline. That new contract was going to cost Flint more money.


This distinction is important to note because merely stating that Flint received a "letter of termination" makes it sound as if a thirsty Flint had no choice but to stick a straw in the Flint River. Flint could have elected to sign a new contract with the the Detroit water system (in fact, Flint reconnected to Detroit water after the situation in the city became a full-fledged, hair-on-fire crisis). Flint disconnected from Detroit because it was cheaper to take water from the Flint River until the new pipeline was completed. Here's a letter from then-emergency manager Darnell Earley saying Flint was choosing to use Flint water instead of Detroit water.


Which brings us to the state's timeline statement: "June 2013: City of Flint decides to use the Flint River as a water source."


Flint officials didn't make that decision while under state emergency management. State-appointed emergency manager Ed Kurtz made that decision, which would have had to be approved by the state. Here's the document from June 2013 signed by Kurtz authorizing an engineering contract to figure out how to draw water from the river

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My parents met at Cal in the early 60's. You're just a bit older than me.
Paternal grandparents met at Cal in the late 30's.
Grandparents moved over the hill to Lafayette in 1960.

But wait, before that my gg grandparents came to Nortonville and then Concord in the early 1880's. My great aunt and uncle were at Cal in the ott years. Apparently my great grandfather dropped out.

Another branch, ggg grandma took a ship to Panama, crossed the Isthmus via mule and clipper up to SF in 1852. That makes my kids 7th generation Californians.

I've traced my family back to the mayflower, have 5000 people in my tree. (Research addict)

I've found two instances of slavery.

1. A spouse of my gg grandmother who came to CA from Missouri - his family had slaves. But he died before my line was born from the next husband. And he had come alone.

2. A genealogy book says that it was possible that Thomas Lyon of Rye NY had slaves. Not sure, but possible, given the times. I'm not sure what to make of that. Apparently there were slaves in New England back in the early days? More research needed there.

But, yeah, of course! My family has benefited economically and otherwise from a system which elevated my ancestors. So, I do like to explore the question of reparations.

The conclusions I've come to this far are thus:

* Reparations cannot be cash payments. There is no good way to connect those who benefited from those who suffered. And many times, they are one and the same (descendants of both races).

* Reparations should not be strictly based on the color of one's skin.

* Reparations should be about rectifying the inequities that exists within communities. Education. Health care. Infrastructure.

I'm sure there is more to say....
We are progressing. And still have a ways to go.

PS: I have distant cousins in my tree:
Levi Coffin, father of the Indiana Underground Railroad.
Lucretia Coffin Mott - "first feminist", with Elizabeth Cady Stanton. An abolishionist.
Ben Franklin is a 1st cousin 10x removed. He seemed pretty cool.

But I also have Sarah Palin in my tree. Both descended from William Brewster. I don't like her.

I like to suggest - hey, my family has been fighting for equal right for a looong time. Should I pay cash payments to some black guy who came here from Africa 75 years ago????
No.

But I can pay taxes that helps reduce inequalities that exists for newborns in east Oakland vs newborns in Moraga. To give all a more equal opportunity.

g4r has succeeded in making the Russia-Ukraine thread about reparations for African-Americans.

I dedicate this song to Lucretia Coffin Mott:

sycasey said:

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g4r has succeeded in making the Russia-Ukraine thread about reparations for African-Americans.

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He's definitely a "game-changer".

I'm sorry did you watch the link ? If not please go and do so

From Unit2's weblink and interview of Putin/Russia expert, Stephen Kotkin.
Such a great read!

Let's take the story back to Moscow. We know the story of how Tsar Paul I was assassinated by people around him. Khrushchev was overthrown and replaced, eventually, by Brezhnev. Under Putin, is there any possibility of a palace coup?


There is always a possibility of a palace coup. There are a couple of issues here. One is that [the West is] working overtime to entice a defection. We want a high-level security official or a military officer to get on a plane and fly to Helsinki or Brussels or Warsaw and hold a press conference and say, "I'm General So-and-So and I worked in the Putin regime and I oppose this war and I oppose this regime. And here's what the inside of that regime looks like."

At the same time, Putin is working overtime to prevent any such defection while our intelligence services are working overtime to entice just such a defectionnot of cultural figures, not former politicians but current security and military officials inside the regime. This happened under Stalin, when General Genrikh Lyushkov of the secret police defected to the Japanese, in 1938, with Stalin's military and security plans and a sense of the regime. He denounced him at a press conference in Tokyo.

So now we're watching Moscow. What are the dynamics there with the regime? You have to remember that these regimes practice something called "negative selection." You're going to promote people to be editors, and you're going to hire writers, because they're talented; you're not afraid if they're geniuses. But, in an authoritarian regime, that's not what they do. They hire people who are a little bit, as they say in Russian, tupoi, not very bright. They hire them precisely because they won't be too competent, too clever, to organize a coup against them. Putin surrounds himself with people who are maybe not the sharpest tools in the drawer on purpose.