The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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Unit2Sucks
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MinotStateBeav said:

So you're against the 2001 9/11 AUMF but for sending weapons to non-allied countries? lol. You are such a principled fibber.
I do not support the use of American force in Ukraine or elsewhere in the world, even more so when it hasn't been approved by congress.

I do support the congressionally approved support of allies like Ukraine. I think sending military and non-military aid furthers US interests and is easily the most effective military spend we have had in decades.

You can project your misunderstanding of the situation all you want, but that doesn't make me a liar or your position any more reasonable.
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Vladimir Putin is NOT dead: Kremlin issues extraordinary denial



https://mol.im/a/12678207

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Heart attack. Gonzo
Unit2Sucks
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dajo9 said:

Heart attack. Gonzo


You know better man.

axxholes live forever.
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Well, the established standard of this thread is that speculation by Twitter randos MUST be true, so I guess this is it. RIP Vlad.

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Unit2Sucks said:

dajo9 said:

Some Russian soldiers are smarter than the Generals

Russia's attempting to take another Pyrrhic victory in Avdiivka. They are throwing wave after wave of meat and taking massive losses. Reportedly the goal is to deliver another Bakhmut like victory to support Putin's re-election in early 2024. Given that they have nothing to show for the war, any false win is something that Putin can build propaganda off. The fact that they will sacrifice thousands of young men for another small town with no strategic value is irrelevant to their ultimate aims.

In other news, ATACMS continuing to make an impact and as you would expect Russia will continue to lie about it.





Less than 20% of the ATACMS have been getting through, but that is still enough to create some damage on Russian installations and generate dramatic footage. Their overall impact however has been very limited as their numbers are relatively small, and unlikely to get larger given the looming war in the middle east, which is now the neocons' top priority.

My assessment of the situation in Avdiivka, posted earlier this week, is correct, it is corroborated by Ropcke, a pro-Ukrainian German journalist:



U2S' info bubble will have you believe that Ukraine is winning in Avdiivka, and that it is the Russians (in red) who are being trapped in this battle:

Ukraine has 20,000 troops in and around the city of Avdiivka, now surrounded by Russian positions. The Russians have around 35,000 troops in that ring around the city.

The Russians have managed to surround Ukrainian positions from 3 sides, and to put the Ukrainian main supply road under fire range - this is a carbon copy of the Bakhmut situation. The roads are even more important now in the mud season, the fields are going to become impassable for heavy vehicles.

The video I have posted of the pink-haired Ukrainian medic who has made an emotional appeal about Ukraine taking more losses this week than she has seen the last 4 months was actually from Avdiivka, and the heavily depleted 47th Battalion is being continuously replenished by Ukraine.


Like Bakhmut, Avdiivka will fall soon enough, probably in early winter. At which point that will be declared to be a Pyrrhic Russian victory, when in fact Ukraine is taking far heavier losses by virtue of being surrounded and using less than a fifth as much ammunition in its artillery duels with Russia. The difference now as well vs earlier this year is that Russia is now heavily using guided bombs in a stepped-up air campaign.

Arestovich, who used to be one of Zelensky's closest advisers only a year ago, makes a sobering assessment of the situation, asserting that the loss of Avdiivka would be a heavy blow to the Zelensky regime. That is why they are now throwing the kitchen sink into the situation trying to break the Russian vice over the city.


"The political elites in the young post-Soviet republics built a system where power is property, and there is no responsibility for actions or inactions that destroy the state and society from within.

The consequence of this is the impunity of officials and politicians for systemic corruption, for reducing the economy by 2.5 times, for wasting the army, and also for the fact that now we are losing cities according to the same scheme.

The prospect of losing Avdiivka after the loss of Popasna, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk and Bakhmut is a death sentence for the System."
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sycasey said:

Well, the established standard of this thread is that speculation by Twitter randos MUST be true, so I guess this is it. RIP Vlad.



The geopolitical equivalent of the Great Pumpkin story.
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Well, the established standard of this thread is that speculation by Twitter randos MUST be true, so I guess this is it. RIP Vlad.



The geopolitical equivalent of the Great Pumpkin story.

My source is as good as yours!
Cal88
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Your pumpkin patch is insincere.
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

Your pumpkin patch is insincere.
The same Great Pumpkin that predicted Joe Biden would beat Trump in Pennsylvania? Help me out here.
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Your pumpkin patch is insincere.
The same Great Pumpkin that predicted Joe Biden would beat Trump in Pennsylvania? Help me out here.

In that episode, Charlie Brown thought that the voting process with 48 million mail-in ballots for Joe would be fair, and that Lucy would hold the ball.

In any case, there is a huge difference between predicting the outcome of a tight election in a large banana republic where the votes don't get counted on election night, and the wild stories from sources that repeatedly spread fake news like Putin is dead/dying, or that the Russians are running out of ammo or borscht.
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Your pumpkin patch is insincere.
The same Great Pumpkin that predicted Joe Biden would beat Trump in Pennsylvania? Help me out here.

In that episode, Charlie Brown thought that the voting process with 48 million mail-in ballots for Joe would be fair, and that Lucy would hold the ball.
So if your guy lost, the other guy MUST have cheated. Hahahaha.

The large number of mail-in ballots was a well-known factor before election day. It was widely expected they'd skew heavily Democratic. You didn't want to believe it.
Cal88
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Your pumpkin patch is insincere.
The same Great Pumpkin that predicted Joe Biden would beat Trump in Pennsylvania? Help me out here.

In that episode, Charlie Brown thought that the voting process with 48 million mail-in ballots for Joe would be fair, and that Lucy would hold the ball.
So if your guy lost, the other guy MUST have cheated. Hahahaha.

The large number of mail-in ballots was a well-known factor before election day. It was widely expected they'd skew heavily Democratic. You didn't want to believe it.

All that I am saying here is that in the 2020 election, a difference of 1%-2% in the mail-in votes of a handful of swing states is enough to change the final outcome.

In any case, that subject is off-topic here. And on this topic of the war in Ukraine, my analyses and predictions have turned out to be right That is why you've had to dig back to the 2020 US elections in order to try to discredit me, as opposed to trying to find flaws in the 100+ posts I have in this thread.
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Your pumpkin patch is insincere.
The same Great Pumpkin that predicted Joe Biden would beat Trump in Pennsylvania? Help me out here.

In that episode, Charlie Brown thought that the voting process with 48 million mail-in ballots for Joe would be fair, and that Lucy would hold the ball.
So if your guy lost, the other guy MUST have cheated. Hahahaha.

The large number of mail-in ballots was a well-known factor before election day. It was widely expected they'd skew heavily Democratic. You didn't want to believe it.

All that I am saying here is that in the 2020 election, a difference of 1%-2% in the mail-in votes of a handful of swing states is enough to change the final outcome.

In any case, that subject is off-topic here. And on this topic of the war in Ukraine, my analyses and predictions have turned out to be right That is why you've had to dig back to the 2020 US elections in order to try to discredit me, as opposed to trying to find flaws in the 100+ posts I have in this thread.
Oh, I long ago stopped paying attention to your Ukraine opinions. I was just having some fun with you just now. Carry on!
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sycasey said:

Well, the established standard of this thread is that speculation by Twitter randos MUST be true
About time someone called out Unit2Sucks' trash sources
movielover
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Colonel Douglass McGregor calls this the Biden phase of the war - long range missiles used to strike random targets in Russia with little purpose.

bearister
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If memory serves, it has been mentioned in this thread that one of Putin's justifications for the invasion is to protect Russians in the Ukraine from being oppressed.

This story on 60 Minutes last night suggests the Russian immigrants flooding into Georgia will provide Putin with the same justification for invading that country.

Russia's war in Ukraine stokes tensions in Georgia | 60 Minutes - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/video/georgia-tensions-over-russia-60-minutes-video-2023-10-29/

*The Brits flooded the north of Ireland with Scottish Presbyterians as part of the organized settlement scheme of 1605-1697.
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Putin, who is dead, started the Ukraine War under false pretenses and the behind the scenes rulers of Russia may do the same in Georgia. The Big question is, who is running Russia?
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The difference is that the Donbass and southern Ukraine have been Russian for 2 centuries. Most people in Odessa, Mariupol or Donetsk speak Russian.

There are some Russians in Georgia who have been there as part of an old community, but their numbers are low. Russia backs separatist regions of Ossetia and Abkhazia which split off Georgia.

Where you might have a potential for Russia intervening in favor of oppressed Russian minorities might be in the Baltics, where 2nd generation or older Russians have been threatened with deportation. Chances are though that the Balts will tone down their persecution of Russian minorities as Russia pushes back NATO out of Ukraine next year.
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dajo9 said:

Putin, who is dead, started the Ukraine War under false pretenses and the behind the scenes rulers of Ryssia may do the same in Georgia. The Big question is, who is running Russia?

At least your trolling is now a bit more transparent...
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Cal88 said:

The difference is that the Donbass and southern Ukraine have been Russian for 2 centuries. Most people in Odessa, Mariupol or Donetsk speak Russian.

There are some Russians in Georgia who have been there as part of an old community, but their numbers are low. Russia backs separatist regions of Ossetia and Abkhazia which split off Georgia.

Where you might have a potential for Russia intervening in favor of oppressed Russian minorities might be in the Baltics, where 2nd generation or older Russians have been threatened with deportation. Chances are though that the Balts will tone down their persecution of Russian minorities as Russia pushes back NATO out of Ukraine next year.


War in Israel also hurts Ukraine as the MIC now has to support Israel.

As previously mentioned, the transvestite-dressing comedian speaks Russian.
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"We're out of options. We're not winning. But try telling him that."
Cal88
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The Ukraine war is going to stop once Ukraine runs out of men, weapons/ammo or will to fight - whichever comes first. It looks like the war in Israel is precipitating a looming weapons and ammo shortage in Ukraine, the writing is on the wall.

Ukraine is not going to get any more ATACMS, HIMARS or cruise missiles in large numbers, not to mention the already dire situation in 155mm shells, some of their last batches having come from US depots in Israel.

This being said, the premise of this Time article is wrong, Zelensky is not an ideologue, he's a lot more of an opportunist politician who got hooked on fame and fortune. He has to toe the line because the Banderists would kill him if he compromises with Russia. Chances are he will step down next year, and either be replaced by a hardcore ideologue, or a figure that will settle for a deal with Russia, if NATO wants to distance itself from the whole situation, which is going to be a negative going into the 24 elections.

A settlement Russia might agree with would be recognition of Crimea and the current borders plus a demilitarized left bank of the Dniepr and Kherson region, with NATO out of Ukraine, essentially along the lines of the peace deal that Ukraine was ready to accept in Istanbul a year and a half (and 400,000 lives*) ago.

*400,001 lives ago, if you include Kireev, the member of Ukraine's peace delegation that was gunned down for being too soft on Russia.
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dajo9 said:

Putin, who is dead, started the Ukraine War under false pretenses and the behind the scenes rulers of Russia may do the same in Georgia. The Big question is, who is running Russia?

I thought Putin died, too, but it turned out to just be some guy from "Friends". Too bad...
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Unfortunately the world is being reminded once again how insidious anti-semitism is. While Russia has been pretending for the past few decades that it opposes Ukrainian anti-semitism, the charade is just becoming more and more obvious with its support for Iran and Hamas.

And the useful idiots who happily parrot Russian propaganda have begun to fry their circuits trying to reconcile the fact that Russia wants them to support Russia for fighting anti-semitism in Ukraine while supporting anti-semitism in Russia's proxy war with Iran against Israel.

Of course, many of these people also amplified Russian pro-Assad propaganda and are now claiming atrocities committed by Assad's forces against Syrians were committed by Israel.

Yet another reason to be aware of all of the disinformation out there (including on BI).


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What is your opinion about Israel carpet bombing entire neighborhoods in Gaza, killing, as of today, around 8,000 people? Is there a racist component to Nethanyahu and many other Israeli officials invoking the Amalek when referring to the Palestinians?

Is this guy wrong?
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In the age of cloud computing, how is it that we don't have a proper accounting of this staggering amount of money? Clearly, it's because the Uniparty who has voted for it doesn't want a proper accounting.
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Congress / Biden blocked requiring an inspector general.
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Zippergate said:



In the age of cloud computing, how is it that we don't have a proper accounting of this staggering amount of money? Clearly, it's because the Uniparty who has voted for it doesn't want a proper accounting.
When you're money laundering, proper accounting is the last thing you want.
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dajo9 said:

Some Russian soldiers are smarter than the Generals

Back to reality

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Should I stop piling on U.S. proxy war cheerleaders? Nah, I don't think I will.

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10% For The Big Guy said:

Should I stop piling on U.S. proxy war cheerleaders? Nah, I don't think I will.


Simon Shuster? Do McGraw Hill, Houghton Mifflin and Random House write for Time too?
Unit2Sucks
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In case anyone is still wondering why Russian shills support Hamas.



There is a reason Putin won't do anything about what happened in Dagestan and instead is laughably pretending it was instigated by Ukraine. Of course the same shills who uncritically report made up numbers of Ukrainian deaths (at some point they will claim more Ukrainians died than have ever been born) also uncritically report Hamas' completely unsupported death tolls from Gaza. I generally don't report numbers I can't support (unlike the shills) which is why I tend to stay away from death tolls which are very challenging to get right even if you are actually trying, which there is no evidence that Russian disinformation media or Hamas has any interest in doing.
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Liberal TIME Magazine: "At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to "retake" the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? "They don't have the men or the weapons," says the officer. "Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?" "

"...Now recruitment is way down. As conscription efforts have intensified around the country, stories are spreading on social media of draft officers pulling men off trains and buses and sending them to the front. ..."

"...Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely. "Simon, you're mistaken," he says. "People are stealing like there's no tomorrow." "

https://time.com/6329188/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-interview/

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