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Cal88
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

1-Ukraine has long been using ambulances and other civilian vehicles and buildings for military purposes.

Wow, this sounds exactly like Israel's justification for targeting civilian areas in Gaza. Yet you don't accept their explanations when they do it. I wonder why?

Because over 98% of Ukrainian KIAs were military. The Russians have used over 10 million shells, tens of thousands of drones and missiles yet only around 2% of their victims were civilians. They clearly do not target civilians.

This war is nothing like the Gaza war, where the Israelis have not only targeted and killed thousands of health workers, first aid workers, journalists, but even went out of their way to killing these civilian workers along with their families.

Look, if the Russians were anywhere near as bad as the Israelis, I would have been the first to denounce them. The difference between your perception of the conflict and mine is that you have a cultural bias against Russia and Russian culture that has been ingrained since the Cold War days. This is not unlike pro-zionists who buy into the Israeli narrative because they are culturally biased against Arabs and Muslims.

The difference between my perception of the conflict and yours is that I'm actually looking at what Russia is doing and you are relying on preconceptions about American foreign policy being bad.

And yeah, American foreign policy often is bad! But not everything is our fault. Russia makes choices too.

I'm not relying on preconceptions, my points are based on analyses by serious people like Mearsheimer and former Russian Ambassador and US intel chief William Burns, who has stated that we have forced Russian intervention by crossing their red lines:







sycasey
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

1-Ukraine has long been using ambulances and other civilian vehicles and buildings for military purposes.

Wow, this sounds exactly like Israel's justification for targeting civilian areas in Gaza. Yet you don't accept their explanations when they do it. I wonder why?

Because over 98% of Ukrainian KIAs were military. The Russians have used over 10 million shells, tens of thousands of drones and missiles yet only around 2% of their victims were civilians. They clearly do not target civilians.

This war is nothing like the Gaza war, where the Israelis have not only targeted and killed thousands of health workers, first aid workers, journalists, but even went out of their way to killing these civilian workers along with their families.

Look, if the Russians were anywhere near as bad as the Israelis, I would have been the first to denounce them. The difference between your perception of the conflict and mine is that you have a cultural bias against Russia and Russian culture that has been ingrained since the Cold War days. This is not unlike pro-zionists who buy into the Israeli narrative because they are culturally biased against Arabs and Muslims.

The difference between my perception of the conflict and yours is that I'm actually looking at what Russia is doing and you are relying on preconceptions about American foreign policy being bad.

And yeah, American foreign policy often is bad! But not everything is our fault. Russia makes choices too.

I'm not relying on preconceptions, my points are based on analyses by serious people like Mearsheimer and former Russian Ambassador and US intel chief William Burns, who has stated that we have forced Russian intervention by crossing their red lines:

Israel also claims that Hamas forced their hand by crossing their red lines, but you do not accept this explanation for them.
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

1-Ukraine has long been using ambulances and other civilian vehicles and buildings for military purposes.

Wow, this sounds exactly like Israel's justification for targeting civilian areas in Gaza. Yet you don't accept their explanations when they do it. I wonder why?

Because over 98% of Ukrainian KIAs were military. The Russians have used over 10 million shells, tens of thousands of drones and missiles yet only around 2% of their victims were civilians. They clearly do not target civilians.

This war is nothing like the Gaza war, where the Israelis have not only targeted and killed thousands of health workers, first aid workers, journalists, but even went out of their way to killing these civilian workers along with their families.

Look, if the Russians were anywhere near as bad as the Israelis, I would have been the first to denounce them. The difference between your perception of the conflict and mine is that you have a cultural bias against Russia and Russian culture that has been ingrained since the Cold War days. This is not unlike pro-zionists who buy into the Israeli narrative because they are culturally biased against Arabs and Muslims.

The difference between my perception of the conflict and yours is that I'm actually looking at what Russia is doing and you are relying on preconceptions about American foreign policy being bad.

And yeah, American foreign policy often is bad! But not everything is our fault. Russia makes choices too.

I'm not relying on preconceptions, my points are based on analyses by serious people like Mearsheimer and former Russian Ambassador and US intel chief William Burns, who has stated that we have forced Russian intervention by crossing their red lines:

Israel also claims that Hamas forced their hand by crossing their red lines, but you do not accept this explanation for them.


Bibi had prior knowledge of Hamas attacks from several sources, and the IDF stood down for many hours while the Hamas attack was ongoing. They wanted a casus belli to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

1-Ukraine has long been using ambulances and other civilian vehicles and buildings for military purposes.

Wow, this sounds exactly like Israel's justification for targeting civilian areas in Gaza. Yet you don't accept their explanations when they do it. I wonder why?

Because over 98% of Ukrainian KIAs were military. The Russians have used over 10 million shells, tens of thousands of drones and missiles yet only around 2% of their victims were civilians. They clearly do not target civilians.

This war is nothing like the Gaza war, where the Israelis have not only targeted and killed thousands of health workers, first aid workers, journalists, but even went out of their way to killing these civilian workers along with their families.

Look, if the Russians were anywhere near as bad as the Israelis, I would have been the first to denounce them. The difference between your perception of the conflict and mine is that you have a cultural bias against Russia and Russian culture that has been ingrained since the Cold War days. This is not unlike pro-zionists who buy into the Israeli narrative because they are culturally biased against Arabs and Muslims.

The difference between my perception of the conflict and yours is that I'm actually looking at what Russia is doing and you are relying on preconceptions about American foreign policy being bad.

And yeah, American foreign policy often is bad! But not everything is our fault. Russia makes choices too.

I'm not relying on preconceptions, my points are based on analyses by serious people like Mearsheimer and former Russian Ambassador and US intel chief William Burns, who has stated that we have forced Russian intervention by crossing their red lines:

Israel also claims that Hamas forced their hand by crossing their red lines, but you do not accept this explanation for them.


Bibi had prior knowledge of Hamas attacks from several sources, and the IDF stood down for many hours while the Hamas attack was ongoing. They wanted a casus belli to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

Yes, just as Putin makes up reasons to re-conquer Ukraine as he always wanted to.
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DiabloWags said:

Trump asked Zelensky not to hit any more Russian refineries.

Ukraine just hit 2 refineries on September 12th and 13th.

Heard in the background . . ." Who's holding the CARDS now, Orange Man?"

Ukraine's General Staff confirms strikes on two Russian oil refineries


Not Zelensky.
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump asked Zelensky not to hit any more Russian refineries.

Ukraine just hit 2 refineries on September 12th and 13th.

Heard in the background . . ." Who's holding the CARDS now, Orange Man?"

Ukraine's General Staff confirms strikes on two Russian oil refineries


Not Zelensky.


Yes, Zelensky.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6087423-trump-urges-ukraine-halt-russia-oil-strikes/amp/
oski003
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump asked Zelensky not to hit any more Russian refineries.

Ukraine just hit 2 refineries on September 12th and 13th.

Heard in the background . . ." Who's holding the CARDS now, Orange Man?"

Ukraine's General Staff confirms strikes on two Russian oil refineries


Not Zelensky.


Yes, Zelensky.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6087423-trump-urges-ukraine-halt-russia-oil-strikes/amp/


Not Zelensky, unless you naively think there will be zero repercussions for this.
DiabloWags
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Donald Trump spoke to Zelensky.

Mr. Zelenskyy has to do one thing," Trump said. "He has to stop knocking out diesel fuel in Russia. We spoke to Mr. Zelenskyy about it. There are plenty of other targets. Don't hit diesel fuel, because that's hurting, that's hurting the world."

My reading comprehension isn't bad for only scoring 1000 on the SAT.

Thanks.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6087423-trump-urges-ukraine-halt-russia-oil-strikes/amp/

oski003
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DiabloWags said:

Donald Trump spoke to Zelensky.

Mr. Zelenskyy has to do one thing," Trump said. "He has to stop knocking out diesel fuel in Russia. We spoke to Mr. Zelenskyy about it. There are plenty of other targets. Don't hit diesel fuel, because that's hurting, that's hurting the world."

Thanks.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6087423-trump-urges-ukraine-halt-russia-oil-strikes/amp/




So, if I tell my kid to come home by 7pm and he doesn't, does that mean he now holds all the cards?

I have no comment here on your reading comprehension nor how it relates to your low SAT.
sycasey
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No one holds all the cards here. The war is a stalemate.

But only the aggressor can decide to end it.
Cal88
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sycasey said:

No one holds all the cards here. The war is a stalemate.

But only the aggressor can decide to end it.


The aggressor here is highly dependent on its sponsors and funders, from the weapons used, to the funding and the satellite/targeting info.
sycasey
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

No one holds all the cards here. The war is a stalemate.

But only the aggressor can decide to end it.


The aggressor here is highly dependent on its sponsors and funders, from the weapons used, to the funding and the satellite/targeting info.

Who is helping Russia with that?
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sycasey
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Aunburdened said:

Sailing the High Pock Ra Sea




Agreed.

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sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

Sailing the High Pock Ra Sea




Agreed.



Thanks for posting, the responses were fire.



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