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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 9:33p, 3/30/22
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Tulsi too. Can you blame Hillary for insinuating that Russia was grooming her as an asset?


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Boy do they love their girl Tulsi in Russia. I guess we all agree Hillary was right about Tulsi.



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7:48a, 3/31/22
Russia Drafts 134,500 Conscripts but Says They Won't Go to Ukraine | World News | US News


https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-31/russia-drafts-134-500-conscripts-but-says-they-wont-go-to-ukraine

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"The general attitude among legionnaires was low morale and a feeling that the Ukrainians were just using us as cannon fodder," said Le, who fought in the bloody battle for Irpin, north of the capital, Kyiv."

U.S. military veterans answer Zelensky's call to fight, but not all are chosen


https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-03-31/u-s-military-veterans-answer-zelenskys-call-to-fight-but-not-all-are-chosen

*The Ukrainians know a chump when they see one.
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6:38a, 4/1/22
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8:01p, 4/1/22
Russia's war effort stalls as Red Army can't get replacement weapons



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7:34a, 4/3/22
An elite Ukrainian drone unit on quad bikes ambushed Russian forces, helping to defeat Putin's plan to capture Kyiv, report says


https://www.businessinsider.com/elite-ukrainian-drone-unit-on-quad-bikes-ambushed-russian-forces-the-guardian-2022-4
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In reply to bearister • 10:59a, 4/3/22
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An elite Ukrainian drone unit on quad bikes ambushed Russian forces, helping to defeat Putin's plan to capture Kyiv, report says


https://www.businessinsider.com/elite-ukrainian-drone-unit-on-quad-bikes-ambushed-russian-forces-the-guardian-2022-4
So to be clear, a group of 300 college kids/ grads, founded by an investment banker, crowd fund a bunch of a spare parts and use them to create flying drones that destroy multiple tanks and force the retreat of a 40 mile long column of mechanized weapons heading to the Capitol to overthrow the government?

Wasn't that the plot of Red Dawn 2?
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In reply to Sebastabear • 1:52p, 4/3/22
Sebastabear said:
bearister said:
An elite Ukrainian drone unit on quad bikes ambushed Russian forces, helping to defeat Putin's plan to capture Kyiv, report says


https://www.businessinsider.com/elite-ukrainian-drone-unit-on-quad-bikes-ambushed-russian-forces-the-guardian-2022-4
So to be clear, a group of 300 college kids/ grads, founded by an investment banker, crowd fund a bunch of a spare parts and use them to create flying drones that destroy multiple tanks and force the retreat of a 40 mile long column of mechanized weapons heading to the Capitol to overthrow the government?

Wasn't that the plot of Red Dawn 2?
I do wonder if the US (and by extension Ukraine) is applying the lessons they learned by being in Afghanistan for 20 years and Iraq for 7, and the issues they encountered as the aggressors and imposing them upon Russia. I wonder if they realized that the effectiveness of expensive high-value weaponry is limited against small groups of highly mobile guerillas, and that this high-value weaponry simply acts as a 'target' against these same guerillas who can use simpler, cheaper weapons in hit and run attacks.
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1:58p, 4/3/22
I found this an interesting development. Lithuania, the small Baltic state that had shared Soviet infrastructure with Russia, is stopping all Russian imports of Natural Gas.

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VILNIUS, April 2 (Reuters) - Lithuania will no longer import Russian gas to meet its domestic needs, becoming the first country in Europe to have secured its independence from Russian supplies, the country's energy ministry said on Saturday.

All natural gas for Lithuanian domestic consumption will be imported via the liquified natural gas (LNG) import terminal in the port of Klaipeda, the ministry said in a statement.

"From this month on - no more Russian gas in Lithuania," Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda tweeted on Saturday, saying the country is breaking "energy ties with the aggressor".
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/lithuania-ceasing-all-russian-gas-imports-domestic-needs-2022-04-02/

In the grand scheme, Lithuania is a small country that makes up a minimal percentage of Russian gas exports, thus will have a minimal impact on Russia's ability to fund their invasion. Nonetheless, Lithuania was probably one of the most reliant countries upon Russian gas prior to the Ukraine Invasion, and to so quickly remove their reliance on Russian gas is something to be noted.
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In reply to golden sloth • 2:16p, 4/3/22
golden sloth said:
I found this an interesting development. Lithuania, the small Baltic state that had shared Soviet infrastructure with Russia, is stopping all Russian imports of Natural Gas.

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VILNIUS, April 2 (Reuters) - Lithuania will no longer import Russian gas to meet its domestic needs, becoming the first country in Europe to have secured its independence from Russian supplies, the country's energy ministry said on Saturday.

All natural gas for Lithuanian domestic consumption will be imported via the liquified natural gas (LNG) import terminal in the port of Klaipeda, the ministry said in a statement.

"From this month on - no more Russian gas in Lithuania," Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda tweeted on Saturday, saying the country is breaking "energy ties with the aggressor".
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/lithuania-ceasing-all-russian-gas-imports-domestic-needs-2022-04-02/

In the grand scheme, Lithuania is a small country that makes up a minimal percentage of Russian gas exports, thus will have a minimal impact on Russia's ability to fund their invasion. Nonetheless, Lithuania was probably one of the most reliant countries upon Russian gas prior to the Ukraine Invasion, and to so quickly remove their reliance on Russian gas is something to be noted.
Germany announced they are considering doing the same. And that's a very, very big deal. If they can pull it off that would be the end of the Putin. Petro states with no petro are basically Somalia. Oh and a lot of nukes.
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3:24p, 4/3/22


One has to wonder which one of the "Useful Idiots" who have been singing Putin's praises will lavish him with praise after Bucha.
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In reply to BearNIt • 4:35p, 4/3/22
BearNIt said:


One has to wonder which one of the "Useful Idiots" who have been singing Putin's praises will lavish him with praise after Bucha.


They will continue to blame the US for making him mad, just like domestic abusers do.
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10:25a, 4/4/22
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In reply to going4roses • 10:37a, 4/4/22
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Wait, what? Is he asking why the Ukrainians don't just surrender? Because they'd lose any chance at self-determination as a free democratic state and be left under Russia's authoritarian thumb. Long-term, that's worse than war. More people would suffer.
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In reply to going4roses • 10:44a, 4/4/22
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I take it from the fact you are reposting it without commentary (and it's from a source you frequently cite) means you agree with this sentiment. Frankly I'm baffled, particularly today. Have you seen the pictures from Bucha? Russia's command and control military is slaughtering private citizens. They are cutting off limbs and torturing people and leaving their bodies in the street. Is the argument here this is the Ukrainians fault because they didn't surrender? That it's "war lust" on the part of the West to support their efforts to resist being invaded and slaughtered?

So California had a very large Russian population in the early 1800's, largely based on the fur trade. What if Putin got a dusty old map and decided we really should be part of the new Russian empire and rolls his tanks into town? Should we be cool with that? Because he wants our land we should just "surrender"?

Sure his sway over Ukraine is of the more recent variety, but if you're going to say that one country should just be able to take another because in early generations it had some control over it, where and when does that analysis stop?

If it's "war lust" to applaud a free peoples' right to self determination then color me lustful I guess.
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In reply to going4roses • 10:51a, 4/4/22
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Does Irami also ask if people of color should just accept racism in America? Why fight back?
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 12:57p, 4/4/22
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going4roses said:
Does Irami also ask if people of color should just accept racism in America? Why fight back?
On this particular topic, this guy doesn't seem very smart.

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In reply to sycasey • 1:38p, 4/4/22
Strikes me as someone who self identifies as antiestablishment and he's trying too hard to prove he's against everything the establishment does.

No different than the binary thinking of knuckle dragging GOP - "Democrats suck. Republicans rule!" Except he thinks "The US Government sucks. No government rules!"
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In reply to sycasey • 1:39p, 4/4/22
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Unit2Sucks said:
going4roses said:
Does Irami also ask if people of color should just accept racism in America? Why fight back?
On this particular topic, this guy doesn't seem very smart.

What the hell? There are so many problems with the construction of that "logic" it's tough to know where to even start. But I guess if I had to start somewhere it would be observing that Russia is not the country getting invaded, much less getting invaded because of Putin. It's Ukraine. So to say people said the same things about Trump as they are about Putin (which is, to put it kindly, "a stretch") and it's good no one invaded the U.S. because of it is gibberish.
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In reply to AunBear89 • 2:40p, 4/4/22
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Strikes me as someone who self identifies as antiestablishment and he's trying too hard to prove he's against everything the establishment does.

No different than the binary thinking of knuckle dragging GOP - "Democrats suck. Republicans rule!" Except he thinks "The US Government sucks. No government rules!"
These people ALWAYS seem to wind up accidentally supporting authoritarians, despite claiming to be all about personal freedom. The authoritarians are okay as long as they are opposing American hegemony. Never mind that Russian hegemony would almost certainly be worse for everyone, including him.

We saw the same crap happening with Yogi. Pretty much everyone he once linked to here has wound up either tacitly or directly supporting Putin's propaganda. (Except Krystal and Saagar; I do have to give them credit for being instantly against Putin's invasion as soon as it started. The rest seem to have gotten even dumber than before.)
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In reply to Sebastabear • 2:43p, 4/4/22
On this subject I wonder how other takes apply in a situation that I am clueless about, if I agree w/ his take on other issues I may add more or say more.

Question: did you read his whole thread?

But for you and unit I can put a disclaimer along with his posts example is he right at all or totally wrong (on this subject).

Our experience produces different takes/prospectives .
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In reply to going4roses • 2:58p, 4/4/22
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On this subject I wonder how other takes apply in a situation that I am clueless about, if I agree w/ his take on other issues I may add more or say more.

Question: did you read his whole thread?
I definitely did. It inspired me to check out the rest of his Twitter feed, where I found even worse opinions about Russia and Ukraine. It's pretty obvious he knows zilch about the current situation or the history between these two countries, and is trying (and failing) to fit it into his preferred box of American racism.

I also went looking for more information on this guy and found this:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/02/04/u-georgia-grad-student-says-hes-under-investigation-his-comments-about-race-now

Relevant piece:
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A political philosopher who studies institutional racism, Osei-Frimpong is outspoken on social media and on his YouTube series The Funky Academic. In one example of a comment that has since been held against him as racist or violent, Osei-Frimpong said that "some white people may have to die for black communities to be whole in this struggle to advance freedom." The California native also once said that he feels as if he's around a "bunch of sociopaths" among whites in the South.
I won't claim to understand all the context behind this comment from him, but it's looking a bit like this guy might actually just be racist/prejudiced against white people. I do not make that speculation lightly. I take it from this and also that he seems to think it's no big deal for Russia to invade Ukraine, since they're all just the same anyway.

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3:55p, 4/4/22
This thread made me fall into the twitterverse, and I hate when I do that. It's always a waste of time, and 90% of the takes are a waste of time.

I am disappointed in myself.
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In reply to sycasey • 3:58p, 4/4/22
Impossible for Black people descendants of slavery to be racist. There is no power to determine destiny/ no autonomy. We are at the whims of others decisions for the last 400-500 years (group)

How many years did take to get an anti lynching bill passed ?

If those on capital hill Jan 6 espoused lynching pence with nooses what do you think they feel about Black people ? They are the problem

You don't think enough innocent Black people have shed blood ?
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In reply to golden sloth • 4:01p, 4/4/22
It's just words you aren't threatened you will just fine.

No real inconvenience of note
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In reply to going4roses • 4:09p, 4/4/22
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You don't think enough innocent Black people have shed blood ?
I ask again, if you think enough innocent black people have shed blood, why not just give in to the oppressors in this country? Why contribute to the blood lust and fight back?

That's what Irami is saying about the Russian invasion. If you think his opinion on that conflict is worth discussing, then I would say it's worth discussing about the racial conflict in the US.

I'm going to presume that he doesn't see it this way and that's why I would discard his opinions about the Russian invasion.
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In reply to going4roses • 4:09p, 4/4/22
going4roses said:
Impossible for Black people descendants of slavery to be racist. There is no power to determine destiny/ no autonomy. We are at the whims of others decisions for the last 400-500 years (group)

How many years did take to get an anti lynching bill passed ?

If those on capital hill Jan 6 espoused lynching pence with nooses what do you think they feel about Black people ? They are the problem

You don't think enough innocent Black people have shed blood ?
Look, I'm not saying that anti-White racism is going to have anywhere near the same impact on a societal level as anti-Black racism, at least not in this country. If you want to talk about systemic problems then I agree that the former is not very important.

But on an INDIVIDUAL level, I am perfectly happy to start ignoring people who seem to be racist against any particular group, and that includes Black people who seem to be personally racist against White people. They may not be in position to start any genocides, but even so, their way is not the way to solve the problem.
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 5:00p, 4/4/22
I think I see now …

That oppressor/oppressed situation/relationship over there has some similarities

But one that differs /most impactful (negatively) in the oppression dynamic here is we are not the cousins from across the boarder and we don't look alike/similar.

His lenses are chalk full of slave trauma/Jim crow etc etc due to having a different color skin only.

Am I making any head way..
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5:34p, 4/4/22
Tucker asking the disingenuous questions. He's really gunning for Russian media personality of the year.


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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 1:19a, 4/5/22
Unit2Sucks said:
Tucker asking the disingenuous questions. He's really gunning for Russian media personality of the year.


Those are actually legitimate questions.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 1:27a, 4/5/22
MinotStateBeav said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Tucker asking the disingenuous questions. He's really gunning for Russian media personality of the year.


Those are actually legitimate questions.
What if Tucker Carlson is a Russian asset embedded to destroy American democracy? What if he maintains a dacha in Vladivostok where he plays pinochle with Putin on his days off? I mean those seem like legitimate questions too and honestly far more likely to be true than the "fake corpses planted in a Russian occupied city to make Putin look bad" theory.
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In reply to Sebastabear • 3:02a, 4/5/22
Sebastabear said:
MinotStateBeav said:
Unit2Sucks said:
Tucker asking the disingenuous questions. He's really gunning for Russian media personality of the year.


Those are actually legitimate questions.
What if Tucker Carlson is a Russian asset embedded to destroy American democracy? What if he maintains a dacha in Vladivostok where he plays pinochle with Putin on his days off? I mean those seem like legitimate questions too and honestly far more likely to be true than the "fake corpses planted in a Russian occupied city to make Putin look bad" theory.

Also completely fair to ask those questions, I don't agree, but I'm not going to shout you down for asking them.
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