They totally faked us out: Kyiv was just a diversion! Genius. And their willingness to give up all that firepower and even their own soldiers' lives speaks to their commitment. Gotta hand it to those Russkies after all, I guess.

BearForce2 said:

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Sebastabear said:

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You know why people think you are a bot? It's not because you posted 500 times the night of the election and got a multi-week timeout because of it (although seriously, get some help). It's because every post is either a meme or some version of this. You take what someone just said and you parrot to back in some insipid version of "I know you are, but what am I? Someone tells you that Trump lost the election and to get over it and you repeat that back as "Trump won, get over it." We talk about the insurrection at the capital and you repeat the exact same words In reference to some liquor store burning in Portland, or I say "you realize at this point "deterrence isn't the objective". And you write "you do realize your own government . . ,". And that's of course without getting into the very odd windows in which you post which start at an exact time and then last for 9 hours and then stop. Or that you make a post every 3 minutes almost exactly. Almost like someone working a shift . . ,

Anyway, it's not clever. It's not insightful and, most importantly for people trying to have an actual dialogue about what looks like the beginning of WWIII, it's not persuasive . And if your employers / code authors are paying you to persuade us they might want to pick a less educated board.

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Sebastabear, I don't remember responding to any of your posts in OT, you responded to mine. Maybe you have a different login that you normally use and are hiding behind? Otherwise, you seem unreasonably distraught, you can simply ignore my posts if they hurt, no? Anyways, I like what you just wrote, you included "bot, Trump, WWIII" all in the same post!

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Now see this seems like an actual post. Almost as if the algorithm flagged the authenticity of your account was being called into question and a human was brought in to respond. Almost.

But no one is ever going to convince me that you making 500 posts (literally 500) on the night of the election was the work of a person trying to express his views about the election or really a person at all. It's the work of something trying to prevent a discussion about the working of our democracy on some obscure message board.

And yes, "bot" and "WWIII" seem particularly relevant to the point at hand. The Trump thing is only illustrative.

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They totally faked us out: Kyiv was just a diversion! Genius. And their willingness to give up all that firepower and even their own soldiers' lives speaks to their commitment. Gotta hand it to those Russkies after all, I guess.

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The soldiers that aren't coming home didn't get killed, they defected to the West and are now living in Ohio.

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Big C said:

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They totally faked us out: Kyiv was just a diversion! Genius. And their willingness to give up all that firepower and even their own soldiers' lives speaks to their commitment. Gotta hand it to those Russkies after all, I guess.

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The soldiers that aren't coming home didn't get killed, they defected to the West and are now living in Ohio.

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Speaking of soldiers not coming home, I read one report where they supposedly have a mobile crematorium with them, to avoid the optics of unloading bodies in body bags off of planes.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are not notifying the families of the fallen right away. There's a saying something like "the war will end when Russian mothers demand it".

Maybe that should be the Governator's next message to the people of Russia: "If you know somebody in the Russian Army and you haven't spoken to them for a while, it's probably because they're dead."

Look at the Republicans' favorite fake tough guy Vlad complaining about cancel culture. Celebrities are just like us!

"It's impossible to imagine such a thing in our country"

President Vladimir Putin uses J K Rowling as an example of Western cynicism and "cancel culture", which he says is currently being aimed at Russia.

Latest on Ukraine: https://t.co/XTFXr6HmAe

📺 Sky 501 and YouTube pic.twitter.com/TyH9lddC5k

— Sky News (@SkyNews) March 25, 2022

J.K. Rowling must be very proud right now.

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J.K. Rowling must be very proud right now.

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wow, ok, unfollowing now. was a big fan of his inchoate, strategically cryptic military campaigns, didn't realize he was a J.K. Rowling supporter

— Chaos (@chaosprime) March 26, 2022

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Putin is so far into denying reality he's asking a pillow salesman to get the Supreme Court to order a KIA recount.

— Beau of The Fifth Column (@BeauTFC) March 26, 2022

This is joke right

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No it's totally true. He wanted Rudy to do it but his eyes have never been the same since all that shoe polish dripped into them during the election.

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going4roses said:

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Putin is so far into denying reality he's asking a pillow salesman to get the Supreme Court to order a KIA recount.

— Beau of The Fifth Column (@BeauTFC) March 26, 2022

This is joke right

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No it's totally true. He wanted Rudy to do it but his eyes have never been the same since all that shoe polish dripped into them during the election.

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Oh come the F on !!! Geez us

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To be fair, I don't think selling pillows is any less relevant to military operations than it is to elections. So he's equally well positioned on both.

a short 🧵 on russia in ukraine and why the entire world has it wrong except for me and a small group of authoritarian-linked independent journalists who recognize putin's brilliance in the face of nato aggression

1/?

— matthew. (@iAmTheWarax) March 26, 2022

It's been a month since Russia invaded so a type of normalcy has settled in, but it's still the case that you can't overstate the dangers of the US fighting a proxy war against Russia, especially after 6 years of Russiagate priming half the country to blame Russia for all ills.

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 25, 2022

Russian general Yakov Rezantsev killed in Ukraine - BBC News


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60807538

"Russian forces are believed to be relying in part on open communication systems, for example mobile phones and analogue radios, which are easy to intercept and could give away the locations of high-ranking officers.
A person inside Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's inner circle told the Wall Street Journal that Ukraine had a military intelligence team dedicated to targeting Russia's officer class."

Unit2Sucks said:

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hxxps://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1507729143915495424

hxxps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1507404046713434121

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Glenn Greenwald has this correct.

Biden's ad lib reveals that "regime change" in Russia was the U.S. policy all along.

The NeoCons and corporate media pundits who lied us into one of the biggest war crimes in history -- the invasion & occupation of Iraq -- have learned nothing from that experience, and were never held accountable.

Instead of "Building our opponent a golden bridge to retreat across," as Sun Tzu would put it, Biden's comment indicates that overthrowing Putin was the goal behind NATO expansion.

Putin will use a nuke if he's threatened. If that happens, I don't see any stop to the escalation. I don't see any "cooler heads" who are going to stop us from nuclear winter.

Putin wants Ukraine to be neutral -- not a U.S. client state. Militarily, I don't think he cares if it's destroyed, as long as it's neutral. But that outcome is unthinkable for the NeoCons, who keep doubling down at every turn.

This is not likely to end well. And the people who brought us to this point are even less likely to be held accountable.

cbbass1 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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hxxps://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1507729143915495424

hxxps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1507404046713434121

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Glenn Greenwald has this correct.

Biden's ad lib reveals that "regime change" in Russia was the U.S. policy all along.

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What does this even mean? Are you saying that Biden's goal when Biden caused Putin to invade Ukraine was regime change?

Reasonable people differ on why Putin did what he did. I tend to believe that Putin wants to restore the old USSR borders as official Kremlin propaganda has stated. Putin has always wanted to take Ukraine. I believe that he thought Trump would weaken and/or destroy NATO and he was waiting for that to happen. When Trump lost he decided not to wait for something that wasn't going to happen so he struck.

I don't think Putin is reacting to some sort of regime change activity by Biden or the US. I think it's pretty hard to envision a world where Putin does a mea culpa and the world is cool with him remaining in power and fully normalizing relations to Russia. Russia will be disfavored until Putin is gone.

Russian media is suddenly explicit about what Russia is really doing in Ukraine. Citing Vasily Zenkovsky's writings from 1931, propagandist Dmitry Kiselyov laid it out: "Russia will never cede Ukraine to anyone... it has to be part of Russia, even against Ukraine's own will." pic.twitter.com/peSoFKIynz

— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) March 27, 2022

cbbass1 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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hxxps://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1507729143915495424

hxxps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1507404046713434121

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Glenn Greenwald has this correct.

Biden's ad lib reveals that "regime change" in Russia was the U.S. policy all along.

The NeoCons and corporate media pundits who lied us into one of the biggest war crimes in history -- the invasion & occupation of Iraq -- have learned nothing from that experience, and were never held accountable.

Instead of "Building our opponent a golden bridge to retreat across," as Sun Tzu would put it, Biden's comment indicates that overthrowing Putin was the goal behind NATO expansion.

Putin will use a nuke if he's threatened. If that happens, I don't see any stop to the escalation. I don't see any "cooler heads" who are going to stop us from nuclear winter.

Putin wants Ukraine to be neutral -- not a U.S. client state. Militarily, I don't think he cares if it's destroyed, as long as it's neutral. But that outcome is unthinkable for the NeoCons, who keep doubling down at every turn.

This is not likely to end well. And the people who brought us to this point are even less likely to be held accountable.

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I'm sorry but this is just straight up dumb. Russia chose to invade Ukraine, nobody forced them to do that. Also, NATO started expanding before Putin was even in power, so I don't know how NATO expansion was being used to try and depose someone who wasn't in office yet. (NATO's first expansion was 1999, Putin came to power in 2000)

I still believe that Ukraine's natural ally and trading partner should have been Russia. They had the shared Soviet experience and infrastructure, common history, similar language, but when Russia's economy devolved into a third world resource exporting economy run by Oligarchs, the Ukrainian people looked for something better. Its not the rest of the world's fault Russia has a simple economy and a society few countries like. That is Russia's fault.

golden sloth said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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hxxps://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1507729143915495424

hxxps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1507404046713434121

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Glenn Greenwald has this correct.

Biden's ad lib reveals that "regime change" in Russia was the U.S. policy all along.

The NeoCons and corporate media pundits who lied us into one of the biggest war crimes in history -- the invasion & occupation of Iraq -- have learned nothing from that experience, and were never held accountable.

Instead of "Building our opponent a golden bridge to retreat across," as Sun Tzu would put it, Biden's comment indicates that overthrowing Putin was the goal behind NATO expansion.

Putin will use a nuke if he's threatened. If that happens, I don't see any stop to the escalation. I don't see any "cooler heads" who are going to stop us from nuclear winter.

Putin wants Ukraine to be neutral -- not a U.S. client state. Militarily, I don't think he cares if it's destroyed, as long as it's neutral. But that outcome is unthinkable for the NeoCons, who keep doubling down at every turn.

This is not likely to end well. And the people who brought us to this point are even less likely to be held accountable.

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I'm sorry but this is just straight up dumb. Russia chose to invade Ukraine, nobody forced them to do that. Also, NATO started expanding before Putin was even in power, so I don't know how NATO expansion was being used to try and depose someone who wasn't in office yet. (NATO's first expansion was 1999, Putin came to power in 2000)

I still believe that Ukraine's natural ally and trading partner should have been Russia. They had the shared Soviet experience and infrastructure, common history, similar language, but when Russia's economy devolved into a third world resource exporting economy run by Oligarchs, the Ukrainian people looked for something better. Its not the rest of the world's fault Russia has a simple economy and a society few countries like. That is Russia's fault.

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NATO only expands when countries ASK for membership. No one forces NATO on you. Russian invasion is another matter. Seems they still have a problem with that.

The truth is that both Russia and the West had a chance to make their arguments to Ukraine about who is the better ally. Putin is mad that he lost.

sycasey said:

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golden sloth said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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hxxps://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1507729143915495424

hxxps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1507404046713434121

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Glenn Greenwald has this correct.

Biden's ad lib reveals that "regime change" in Russia was the U.S. policy all along.

The NeoCons and corporate media pundits who lied us into one of the biggest war crimes in history -- the invasion & occupation of Iraq -- have learned nothing from that experience, and were never held accountable.

Instead of "Building our opponent a golden bridge to retreat across," as Sun Tzu would put it, Biden's comment indicates that overthrowing Putin was the goal behind NATO expansion.

Putin will use a nuke if he's threatened. If that happens, I don't see any stop to the escalation. I don't see any "cooler heads" who are going to stop us from nuclear winter.

Putin wants Ukraine to be neutral -- not a U.S. client state. Militarily, I don't think he cares if it's destroyed, as long as it's neutral. But that outcome is unthinkable for the NeoCons, who keep doubling down at every turn.

This is not likely to end well. And the people who brought us to this point are even less likely to be held accountable.

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I'm sorry but this is just straight up dumb. Russia chose to invade Ukraine, nobody forced them to do that. Also, NATO started expanding before Putin was even in power, so I don't know how NATO expansion was being used to try and depose someone who wasn't in office yet. (NATO's first expansion was 1999, Putin came to power in 2000)

I still believe that Ukraine's natural ally and trading partner should have been Russia. They had the shared Soviet experience and infrastructure, common history, similar language, but when Russia's economy devolved into a third world resource exporting economy run by Oligarchs, the Ukrainian people looked for something better. Its not the rest of the world's fault Russia has a simple economy and a society few countries like. That is Russia's fault.

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NATO only expands when countries ASK for membership. No one forces NATO on you. Russian invasion is another matter. Seems they still have a problem with that.

The truth is that both Russia and the West had a chance to make their arguments to Ukraine about who is the better ally. Putin is mad that he lost.

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True. But the U.S. also invested $billions, through the National Endowment for Democracy, to do a sales job on the Ukrainian people so that they would want the same Neoliberal/Austerity/'Trickle-down' economy that was killing Greece in 2014-15, and driving unprecedented Income Inequality in the EU and the U.S.

We'll see how your "better ally" argument holds up when China's Belt & Roads comes to Mexico & Central America & puts our Monroe Doctrine to the test.

golden sloth said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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hxxps://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1507729143915495424

hxxps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1507404046713434121

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Glenn Greenwald has this correct.

Biden's ad lib reveals that "regime change" in Russia was the U.S. policy all along.

The NeoCons and corporate media pundits who lied us into one of the biggest war crimes in history -- the invasion & occupation of Iraq -- have learned nothing from that experience, and were never held accountable.

Instead of "Building our opponent a golden bridge to retreat across," as Sun Tzu would put it, Biden's comment indicates that overthrowing Putin was the goal behind NATO expansion.

Putin will use a nuke if he's threatened. If that happens, I don't see any stop to the escalation. I don't see any "cooler heads" who are going to stop us from nuclear winter.

Putin wants Ukraine to be neutral -- not a U.S. client state. Militarily, I don't think he cares if it's destroyed, as long as it's neutral. But that outcome is unthinkable for the NeoCons, who keep doubling down at every turn.

This is not likely to end well. And the people who brought us to this point are even less likely to be held accountable.

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I'm sorry but this is just straight up dumb. Russia chose to invade Ukraine, nobody forced them to do that. Also, NATO started expanding before Putin was even in power, so I don't know how NATO expansion was being used to try and depose someone who wasn't in office yet. (NATO's first expansion was 1999, Putin came to power in 2000)

I still believe that Ukraine's natural ally and trading partner should have been Russia. They had the shared Soviet experience and infrastructure, common history, similar language, but when Russia's economy devolved into a third world resource exporting economy run by Oligarchs, the Ukrainian people looked for something better. Its not the rest of the world's fault Russia has a simple economy and a society few countries like. That is Russia's fault.

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The economic devastation after the collapse of the Soviet Union was a direct product of the economic "Shock Therapy" that was forced on Russia by the acolytes of Milton Friedman (the "Chicago Boys"), Jeffrey Sachs, and a host of others.
https://geohistory.today/russia-shock-therapy/

Simply put: No one is more responsible for the current state of the Russian economy than the U.S. radical economists and oligarchs who forced Gorbachev out and brought Yeltsin in, with his emergency powers to quickly privatize The Commons, and destroy public institutions.
https://www.shortform.com/blog/russia-shock-therapy/

Russia's Shock Therapy was patterned after Chile under Augusto Pinochet, who mass-murdered protesters & dissenters by the thousands. Putin was hand-picked by Russia's hyper-Capitalist oligarchs precisely because he was a ruthless sociopath.
https://www.gregpalast.com/how-billionaires-picked-putin-as-russias-pinochet/

Putin is a lot like Osama bin Laden. First, he was "our guy"; then, all the qualities that made him "our guy" got aimed right back at us.

cbbass1 said:

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golden sloth said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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hxxps://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1507729143915495424

hxxps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1507404046713434121

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Glenn Greenwald has this correct.

Biden's ad lib reveals that "regime change" in Russia was the U.S. policy all along.

The NeoCons and corporate media pundits who lied us into one of the biggest war crimes in history -- the invasion & occupation of Iraq -- have learned nothing from that experience, and were never held accountable.

Instead of "Building our opponent a golden bridge to retreat across," as Sun Tzu would put it, Biden's comment indicates that overthrowing Putin was the goal behind NATO expansion.

Putin will use a nuke if he's threatened. If that happens, I don't see any stop to the escalation. I don't see any "cooler heads" who are going to stop us from nuclear winter.

Putin wants Ukraine to be neutral -- not a U.S. client state. Militarily, I don't think he cares if it's destroyed, as long as it's neutral. But that outcome is unthinkable for the NeoCons, who keep doubling down at every turn.

This is not likely to end well. And the people who brought us to this point are even less likely to be held accountable.

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I'm sorry but this is just straight up dumb. Russia chose to invade Ukraine, nobody forced them to do that. Also, NATO started expanding before Putin was even in power, so I don't know how NATO expansion was being used to try and depose someone who wasn't in office yet. (NATO's first expansion was 1999, Putin came to power in 2000)

I still believe that Ukraine's natural ally and trading partner should have been Russia. They had the shared Soviet experience and infrastructure, common history, similar language, but when Russia's economy devolved into a third world resource exporting economy run by Oligarchs, the Ukrainian people looked for something better. Its not the rest of the world's fault Russia has a simple economy and a society few countries like. That is Russia's fault.

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Simply put: No one is more responsible for the current state of the Russian economy than the U.S. radical economists and oligarchs who forced Gorbachev out and brought Yeltsin in, with his emergency powers to quickly privatize The Commons, and destroy public institutions.

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Sorry, this is a bunch of garbage. There are some elements of truth but the people who spew this have an agenda and it's ridiculous to say that a few academics in the US are more responsible for Russia being a kleptocracy in 2021 than Putin and his oligarchs. Just ridiculous.

cbbass1 said:

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Simply put: No one is more responsible for the current state of the Russian economy than the U.S. radical economists and oligarchs who forced Gorbachev out and brought Yeltsin in, with his emergency powers to quickly privatize The Commons, and destroy public institutions.
https://www.shortform.com/blog/russia-shock-therapy

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Thank you for the links.

Please provide details as to why reading Ms, Sinusoid is any more informative
than rereading, say, No Exit and/or The Age of Reason OR, for that matter, listening
to Hotel California repeatedly.



=>what are her specific qualifications in this area?

Unit2Sucks said:

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cbbass1 said:

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golden sloth said:

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cbbass1 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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hxxps://twitter.com/iAmTheWarax/status/1507729143915495424

hxxps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1507404046713434121

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Glenn Greenwald has this correct.

Biden's ad lib reveals that "regime change" in Russia was the U.S. policy all along.

The NeoCons and corporate media pundits who lied us into one of the biggest war crimes in history -- the invasion & occupation of Iraq -- have learned nothing from that experience, and were never held accountable.

Instead of "Building our opponent a golden bridge to retreat across," as Sun Tzu would put it, Biden's comment indicates that overthrowing Putin was the goal behind NATO expansion.

Putin will use a nuke if he's threatened. If that happens, I don't see any stop to the escalation. I don't see any "cooler heads" who are going to stop us from nuclear winter.

Putin wants Ukraine to be neutral -- not a U.S. client state. Militarily, I don't think he cares if it's destroyed, as long as it's neutral. But that outcome is unthinkable for the NeoCons, who keep doubling down at every turn.

This is not likely to end well. And the people who brought us to this point are even less likely to be held accountable.

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I'm sorry but this is just straight up dumb. Russia chose to invade Ukraine, nobody forced them to do that. Also, NATO started expanding before Putin was even in power, so I don't know how NATO expansion was being used to try and depose someone who wasn't in office yet. (NATO's first expansion was 1999, Putin came to power in 2000)

I still believe that Ukraine's natural ally and trading partner should have been Russia. They had the shared Soviet experience and infrastructure, common history, similar language, but when Russia's economy devolved into a third world resource exporting economy run by Oligarchs, the Ukrainian people looked for something better. Its not the rest of the world's fault Russia has a simple economy and a society few countries like. That is Russia's fault.

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Simply put: No one is more responsible for the current state of the Russian economy than the U.S. radical economists and oligarchs who forced Gorbachev out and brought Yeltsin in, with his emergency powers to quickly privatize The Commons, and destroy public institutions.

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Sorry, this is a bunch of garbage. There are some elements of truth but the people who spew this have an agenda and it's ridiculous to say that a few academics in the US are more responsible for Russia being a kleptocracy in 2021 than Putin and his oligarchs. Just ridiculous.

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There's a particularly unthinking school of thought I've seen out there a lot lately, one which says "Everything is America's fault." We see the same people here returning to this idea over and over. It's actually pretty self-centered to be an American thinking this way, even if you might think you're being smart and critical.

As with many bad theories, there's a kernel of truth in it: yes, the US has been responsible for a lot of bad stuff over the years. I actually agree that we kind of blew it after toppling the Soviet Union and not doing more to help Russia get back on its feet. But even so, other countries will make their own choices and not all of the bad ones are because of America.