The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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In reply to movielover • 11:13a, 6/24/23
movielover said:
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That, historically has been the shelf life of many notable right-wing military coups. They usually start on Fridays and end the next Monday. The 1961 military coup against French president Charles de Gaulle, led by some generals who wanted no compromise with Algeria, started on a Saturday and was swept a few days later, while the 2016 Turkish coup against Erdogan started on Friday and was over by Monday.

In all these cases, the fatal flaw is the lack of popular support for these coups, as well as the lack of support among the military at large. Prigozhin commands about 4k-5k troops in the columns currently operating in Russia, he has no support among the Russian army, nor with the Russian people at large and the political establishment. He might have support among some other oligarchs, including many expatriates.

I predict this Prigozhin-led coup attempt will not last long, he's not viewed favorably by the majority of Russians, being an unstable oligarch turned loose cannon warlord. The manner and timing in which he conducted this coup undermines his attempt because it amounts to treason from the perspective of the average Russian, it nullifies any goodwill earned from Wagner's strong performance in Bakhmut.

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In reply to Haloski • 11:27a, 6/24/23
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Any updates from Colonel MacGruber on how quickly he feels the Wagner group will decimate its foes (whoever they may be today)?

The Regime Change Fan Club collectively lost their erections over a failed insurrection.
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:28a, 6/24/23
Supposedly a stand down.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:33a, 6/24/23
DiabloWags said:
Haloski said:
blungld said:
Cal88 started off as alleging to be neutral voice of reason just so so concerned with loss of life. Bless his soul. Now just straight unequivocally rooting for Putin and siding with authoritarian war machine without hesitation. What a warm hearted human being.


How many hours and/or words do you think Cal88 has put into defending/supporting Putin on this subforum of a relatively low traffic college football discussion board?



I put the over/under at 1200 hours.

Close to the anti-vax effort by Oski on the Covid thread. But it's still early, Cal88 could make history!

I would guess you took the "Math for ret@rds and future lawyers" series at Cal, 16A-B-C (on the punchcard quarter system), plus maybe the Stat for bean counters (Stat 20?)...

So here's how you'd do it if you are a Cal engineer:
160 pages on this thread, a personal average of ~2 posts/pg, and an avg of 10min per post = 3,200 min. Rounding up to 3600min it's 60 hours, over 16 months, so that's 3.75hrs/month, less than an hour per week.
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In reply to chazzed • 11:36a, 6/24/23
chazzed said:
dimitrig said:
bearister said:
Wagner mercenaries storm Rostov-on-Don as Kremlin warns of CIVIL WAR
https://mol.im/a/12228381
All going according to plan.
Nice one. It should be fun watching Cal88, movielover, and BearFarce go into overdrive to spin this development. A couple of things...
1) After more than a year of immediately sharing in this thread any and all Russian propaganda, one of these posters has cautioned others not to jump to conclusions. Or, as the poster put it: "A lot of conflicting and confusing info right now, I guess we'll find out soon enough what is really going on."
2) Can you imagine how long and elaborate Cal88's replies in this thread will have to become to give cover for Russia now? I mean, the amount of elaborate text and the number of charts, graphs, and maps will be mind-boggling.

Of course, these Russian disinformation agents might largely stay away for a while. Or their heads may explode once the money stops coming in from Russia.


Democrats surely love their insurrections.
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In reply to dimitrig • 11:40a, 6/24/23
dimitrig said:
bearister said:
Wagner mercenaries storm Rostov-on-Don as Kremlin warns of CIVIL WAR
https://mol.im/a/12228381
All going according to plan.


New Netflix series: WAGNER. The insurrection that never was. Coming soon.
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In reply to BearHunter • 11:48a, 6/24/23
AntiochWags went from a wet dream to a coronary separated only by one Boons Farm Spritzer.

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In reply to Haloski • 11:50a, 6/24/23
Haloski said:
WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?


NOT ME.
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:54a, 6/24/23
Cal88 said:
dajo9 said:
Only a propagandist would say the idea of rubles flowing west is a fantasy. Rubles flowing West is nobody's fantasy.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/05/16/londongrad-how-russias-war-exposed-the-dark-side-of-luxury-london.html

https://www.gmfus.org/news/tracking-illicit-russian-financial-flows

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

Nobody said that Russian oligarchs didn't buy Premier League clubs or luxury condos in Manhattan, it is the allegation that Russian bots and Russian funding have enabled Trump's election, which is a ridiculous notion.


Mueller Report says otherwise.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:56a, 6/24/23
DiabloWags said:
Haloski said:
blungld said:
Cal88 started off as alleging to be neutral voice of reason just so so concerned with loss of life. Bless his soul. Now just straight unequivocally rooting for Putin and siding with authoritarian war machine without hesitation. What a warm hearted human being.


How many hours and/or words do you think Cal88 has put into defending/supporting Putin on this subforum of a relatively low traffic college football discussion board?



I put the over/under at 1200 hours.

Close to the anti-vax effort by Oski on the Covid thread. But it's still early, Cal88 could make history!


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Some grow tomatoes.
Some drink wine and watch sunsets.
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11:57a, 6/24/23
Looking forward to the next "firehose" compilation of U2S tweets from Dmitri, Tendar, Trent and Forever War chessman Kasparov - providers of unbiased coverage and accurate predictions of the Ukraine war.
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In reply to concordtom • 12:03p, 6/24/23
concordtom said:
Cal88 said:
dajo9 said:
Only a propagandist would say the idea of rubles flowing west is a fantasy. Rubles flowing West is nobody's fantasy.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/05/16/londongrad-how-russias-war-exposed-the-dark-side-of-luxury-london.html

https://www.gmfus.org/news/tracking-illicit-russian-financial-flows

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

Nobody said that Russian oligarchs didn't buy Premier League clubs or luxury condos in Manhattan, it is the allegation that Russian bots and Russian funding have enabled Trump's election, which is a ridiculous notion.


Mueller Report says otherwise.

Yes, and the 17 intelligence agencies. From the USS Maine to the USS Maddox at the Gulf of Tonkin to Kuwaiti baby incubators and Saddam's yellowcake mix, it's been a long ride.
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12:04p, 6/24/23
haha. You keep posting this idiot and his dumb takes.
This just in: Republicans find another whistleblower who claims Hillary's emails were proven to be on Hunter's laptop while Obama spied on tRump as he sat (shat?) upon his golden toilet. Gym Jordan afraid whistle blower may be in danger of abduction by aliens in cahoots with Democrats.
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In reply to BearHunter • 12:10p, 6/24/23
BearHunter said:
dimitrig said:
bearister said:
Wagner mercenaries storm Rostov-on-Don as Kremlin warns of CIVIL WAR
https://mol.im/a/12228381
All going according to plan.


New Netflix series: WAGNER. The insurrection that never was. Coming soon.

Featuring Larry Fishburne in the role of rebel leader/restaurateur Yevgeny Prigozhin:



Would renew my Netflix for that!
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:15p, 6/24/23
Cal88 said:
DiabloWags said:
Haloski said:
blungld said:
Cal88 started off as alleging to be neutral voice of reason just so so concerned with loss of life. Bless his soul. Now just straight unequivocally rooting for Putin and siding with authoritarian war machine without hesitation. What a warm hearted human being.


How many hours and/or words do you think Cal88 has put into defending/supporting Putin on this subforum of a relatively low traffic college football discussion board?



I put the over/under at 1200 hours.

Close to the anti-vax effort by Oski on the Covid thread. But it's still early, Cal88 could make history!

I would guess you took the "Math for ret@rds and future lawyers" series at Cal, 16A-B-C (on the punchcard quarter system), plus maybe the Stat for bean counters (Stat 20?)...

So here's how you'd do it if you are a Cal engineer:
160 pages on this thread, a personal average of ~2 posts/pg, and an avg of 10min per post = 3,200 min. Rounding up to 3600min it's 60 hours, over 16 months, so that's 3.75hrs/month, less than an hour per week.

It's pretty clear he was joking about the hours, buuuuut…

Congratulations on (only?) spending a self-calculated 5ish waking days of your life on this thread in which you've accomplished literally nothing and have had minimal (at best) actual discourse with anybody.

Victory?
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In reply to Cal88 • 12:16p, 6/24/23
Cal88 said:
BearHunter said:
dimitrig said:
bearister said:
Wagner mercenaries storm Rostov-on-Don as Kremlin warns of CIVIL WAR
https://mol.im/a/12228381
All going according to plan.
New Netflix series: WAGNER. The insurrection that never was. Coming soon.

Featuring Larry Fishburne in the role of rebel leader/restaurateur Yevgeny Prigozhin:

Would renew my Netflix for that!


Also featuring Cedric the Entertainer as Prigozhin's right hand man.
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In reply to dajo9 • 12:36p, 6/24/23
dajo9 said:

So another win-win for the West. Just as Putin's war in Ukraine has already been lost by him because after the failures of 2022 he'll never be able to project the image he was trying to project of Putin's Russia.

Now, Wagner as it once existed as a credible fighting force, for Russia but not of Russia, will also cease to exist as it once did. Definitely a great development for Putin haters.
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In reply to BearHunter • 12:45p, 6/24/23
BearHunter said:
Haloski said:
Any updates from Colonel MacGruber on how quickly he feels the Wagner group will decimate its foes (whoever they may be today)?

The Regime Change Fan Club collectively lost their erections over a failed insurrection.
This is pretty rich coming from someone having 16 months of wet dreams about regime change in Ukraine.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:46p, 6/24/23
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 12:50p, 6/24/23
Unit2Sucks said:
This whole situation is just more proof positive why Russian shills should be ignored. They have dismissed the growing rift between corrupt oligarch Prigozhin and the corrupt state kleptocracy.

Prigozhin didn't just rise up against the Kremlin, he blew the whistle on the corrupt motivations for the stupid unprovoked war. That's what the shills are desperately trying to avoid.
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12:53p, 6/24/23
It's going to be fun to watch Russian propagandists spin this debacle as a positive for Russia's war efforts.

It started with Prigozhin correctly calling out Putin and his corrupt kleptocracy for lying to the Russian people about the reason they are fighting this war and how it's actually going. Sound familiar?





Then Putin essentially called for Prigozhin's death (accusing him of treason) and saying that Wagner stabbed Russia in the back.

Quote:
"All those who deliberately chose the path of treachery, who prepared an armed mutiny, who chose the path of blackmail and terrorist methods, will face inevitable punishment, and will answer both to the law
and to our people," Putin said.


But unfortunately for Putin, his military is garbage and was unable to quickly defeat Wagner, so he was forced to negotiate concessions with his cook through Lukashenko.

No matter how you slice it, this is a loss for Putin and his corrupt war effort. Wagner has by far delivered the most results for Putin and now it will likely be far less effective. But that won't stop the propagandists from employing their firehose of falsehoods to mislead.

One awesome tidbit is that by choosing to launch the insurrection on Friday night, Prigozhin took advantage of the fact that the entire Russian military was drunk at the time lol.



And, of course, in other news Ukraine looks like it might be taking advantage of the opportunity - its forces have crossed the Dnipro. Still early, fog of war and all that, but going to be hard for the shills to pretend that this failed insurrection is a sign of strength for the corrupt kleptocracy they have chosen to defend.



Finally - just a reminder that it took almost a full year for Wagner to take Bakhmut from Ukraine but ... (checks notes) ... about 6 hours to take Rostov (which is the most important Russian city in the Ukraine war because it houses their southern military command as well as the command center for their illegal and unprovoked criminal invasion into Ukraine. Obviously I'm being facetious here as Prighozhin didn't actually fully destroy Rostov through criminal bombing and make it uninhabitable the way that they did for Bakhmut but it highlights how weak Russia's military actually is. They have so much of their armed forces committed to Ukraine that they have no defensive capability within Russia. Putin is lucky that no one has any interest in invading his sh(thole of a corrupt nation-state.

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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 1:06p, 6/24/23
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
BearHunter said:
Haloski said:
Any updates from Colonel MacGruber on how quickly he feels the Wagner group will decimate its foes (whoever they may be today)?

The Regime Change Fan Club collectively lost their erections over a failed insurrection.
This is pretty rich coming from someone having 16 months of wet dreams about regime change in Ukraine.
The CIA, neocons, Democrats, Unit2sucks, and the Biden crime family have great interest in Ukraine. Not me.
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In reply to Haloski • 1:16p, 6/24/23
Haloski said:
Cal88 said:
DiabloWags said:
Haloski said:
blungld said:
Cal88 started off as alleging to be neutral voice of reason just so so concerned with loss of life. Bless his soul. Now just straight unequivocally rooting for Putin and siding with authoritarian war machine without hesitation. What a warm hearted human being.


How many hours and/or words do you think Cal88 has put into defending/supporting Putin on this subforum of a relatively low traffic college football discussion board?



I put the over/under at 1200 hours.

Close to the anti-vax effort by Oski on the Covid thread. But it's still early, Cal88 could make history!

I would guess you took the "Math for ret@rds and future lawyers" series at Cal, 16A-B-C (on the punchcard quarter system), plus maybe the Stat for bean counters (Stat 20?)...

So here's how you'd do it if you are a Cal engineer:
160 pages on this thread, a personal average of ~2 posts/pg, and an avg of 10min per post = 3,200 min. Rounding up to 3600min it's 60 hours, over 16 months, so that's 3.75hrs/month, less than an hour per week.

It's pretty clear he was joking about the hours, buuuuut…

Congratulations on (only?) spending a self-calculated 5ish waking days of your life on this thread in which you've accomplished literally nothing and have had minimal (at best) actual discourse with anybody.

Victory?

Would AntiochWags let someone who doesn't take his numbers seriously mow his lawn?!

I've had plenty of discourse on here with other people, and didn't mind spending a bit of my time trying to sort people out, it got me through quite a few long zoom meetings.
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1:33p, 6/24/23
Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
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1:59p, 6/24/23

The "Rooting for Ukraine" side of me was/is getting a kick out of seeing Russia's internal problems.

But the "Above all else, this war must be contained" side of me winces when I see instability in a country with all the nukes that Russia has.
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In reply to BearHunter • 2:04p, 6/24/23
BearHunter said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
BearHunter said:
Haloski said:
Any updates from Colonel MacGruber on how quickly he feels the Wagner group will decimate its foes (whoever they may be today)?

The Regime Change Fan Club collectively lost their erections over a failed insurrection.
This is pretty rich coming from someone having 16 months of wet dreams about regime change in Ukraine.
The CIA, neocons, Democrats, Unit2sucks, and the Biden crime family have great interest in Ukraine. Not me.
Disinterested parties don't make hundreds of posts about the war in Ukraine over the 8 months since you created this burner account. I haven't. I suspect you're dwarfing U2S's post count, but I'm not going to research that.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 2:38p, 6/24/23
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
BearHunter said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
BearHunter said:
Haloski said:
Any updates from Colonel MacGruber on how quickly he feels the Wagner group will decimate its foes (whoever they may be today)?

The Regime Change Fan Club collectively lost their erections over a failed insurrection.
This is pretty rich coming from someone having 16 months of wet dreams about regime change in Ukraine.
The CIA, neocons, Democrats, Unit2sucks, and the Biden crime family have great interest in Ukraine. Not me.
Disinterested parties don't make hundreds of posts about the war in Ukraine over the 8 months since you created this burner account. I haven't. I suspect you're dwarfing U2S's post count, but I'm not going to research that.
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2:47p, 6/24/23
Maybe Russia would be doing better with more gays in the military.
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^ that one was a doozie

This guy couldn't even pronounce Prigozhin's name two months ago in his videos, worst geopolitical pundit ever.



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In reply to sycasey • 3:02p, 6/24/23
sycasey said:
Maybe Russia would be doing better with more gays in the military.


Who's says they don't fight already? Maybe they're discrete and don't need to sell their kinks in public.
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3:15p, 6/24/23
That was the most anticlimactic insurrection I've ever witnessed. Even the MAGAs at least had a body count.
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In reply to Haloski • 3:17p, 6/24/23
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That was the most anticlimactic insurrection I've ever witnessed. Even the MAGAs at least had a body count.
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 3:23p, 6/24/23
Unit2Sucks said:

Finally - just a reminder that it took almost a full year for Wagner to take Bakhmut from Ukraine but ... (checks notes) ... about 6 hours to take Rostov (which is the most important Russian city in the Ukraine war because it houses their southern military command as well as the command center for their illegal and unprovoked criminal invasion into Ukraine. Obviously I'm being facetious here as Prighozhin didn't actually fully destroy Rostov through criminal bombing and make it uninhabitable the way that they did for Bakhmut but it highlights how weak Russia's military actually is. They have so much of their armed forces committed to Ukraine that they have no defensive capability within Russia. Putin is lucky that no one has any interest in invading his sh(thole of a corrupt nation-state.


Very well said.
Russia is as vulnerable as they ever have been.
And the "just a gas station" iwth nukes is pretty much spot on!

I was listening to BBC radio while over in Berkeley running an errand and the commentary by British journalists was most interesting. They wondered if Putin made a "threat" or made an "offer" to Prighozhin. But they also acknowledged that whatever transpired (in record time I might add) is far more complicated than we know at this time.

One journalist wondered if this was the beginning of other "leaders" pushing back against Putin and his false premises for invaking Ukraine . . .and if there might be a Prighozhin 2.0 sometime over the next 6 months.

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