The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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Cal88 said:

German deindustrialization post-Nordstream proceeding:




If we had cheap, reliable sources, we could attract more of these jobs. We'll get some. Not butressing aging nuclear power plants is a disaster, as well as not supporting LNG and new oil infrastructure.
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Early death is just a fact of life in Russia
https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3dg/post/C0Pw39RJCM_/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
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dajo9 said:

Early death is just a fact of life in Russia
https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3dg/post/C0Pw39RJCM_/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==


Heart attacks in America are caused by the experimental mRNA vaccines while heart attacks in Russia are caused by Putin's assassins. Did I do it right?
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dajo9 said:

Early death is just a fact of life in Russia
https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3dg/post/C0Pw39RJCM_/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Russia continues to operate from a position of strength. These are the sorts of actions that strong nations take. Right?




And this is the sort of peace-making, non-aggressive stance that we should come to expect from stable nations who seek to have normalized relations with the global community.


But hey, they are getting stronger on the battlefield, even if it's mostly addition by subtraction. For example, they recently lost yet another general - a major general (2 star) who stepped on a land mine (likely a Russian one). That's the 6th one they've lost in this war. The US has lost exactly one general in combat in the last 50+ years.


As I've mentioned time and time again, Russia's lack of a capable command and control structure continues to cost them dearly. It's why Generals keep dying on the battle field. It's why they can't make any progress in Ukraine despite overwhelming resourcing advantages.


And here's Russia failing to protect yet another weapons warehouse.


And here's another $1M+ vehicle destroyed by a commodity drone. If the US learns one thing from this war it's that drones are more important to warfighting in 2023 than just about any expensive offensive weapon program.


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Unit2Sucks said:

dajo9 said:

Early death is just a fact of life in Russia
https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3dg/post/C0Pw39RJCM_/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Russia continues to operate from a position of strength. These are the sorts of actions that strong nations take. Right?




And this is the sort of peace-making, non-aggressive stance that we should come to expect from stable nations who seek to have normalized relations with the global community.


But hey, they are getting stronger on the battlefield, even if it's mostly addition by subtraction. For example, they recently lost yet another general - a major general (2 star) who stepped on a land mine (likely a Russian one). That's the 6th one they've lost in this war. The US has lost exactly one general in combat in the last 50+ years.


As I've mentioned time and time again, Russia's lack of a capable command and control structure continues to cost them dearly. It's why Generals keep dying on the battle field. It's why they can't make any progress in Ukraine despite overwhelming resourcing advantages.


And here's Russia failing to protect yet another weapons warehouse.


And here's another $1M+ vehicle destroyed by a commodity drone. If the US learns one thing from this war it's that drones are more important to warfighting in 2023 than just about any expensive offensive weapon program.





Where in his speech did

Putin reiterate "his vision for a "new world order" in which #Russia has the right to conquer all countries previously ruled by the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union."

That is such an exaggeration it should be included amongst your other firehoses of falsehoods. This is pro-war propaganda.
movielover
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I see you conveniently left off the major battle in Avdiivka, where Russia is surrounding Ukranian forces. Some call it Bakhmut 2.0. And Ukraine now drafting boys / men 16 to 60?
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dajo9 said:

Early death is just a fact of life in Russia
https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3dg/post/C0Pw39RJCM_/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Russia continues to operate from a position of strength. These are the sorts of actions that strong nations take. Right?




And this is the sort of peace-making, non-aggressive stance that we should come to expect from stable nations who seek to have normalized relations with the global community.


But hey, they are getting stronger on the battlefield, even if it's mostly addition by subtraction. For example, they recently lost yet another general - a major general (2 star) who stepped on a land mine (likely a Russian one). That's the 6th one they've lost in this war. The US has lost exactly one general in combat in the last 50+ years.


As I've mentioned time and time again, Russia's lack of a capable command and control structure continues to cost them dearly. It's why Generals keep dying on the battle field. It's why they can't make any progress in Ukraine despite overwhelming resourcing advantages.


And here's Russia failing to protect yet another weapons warehouse.


And here's another $1M+ vehicle destroyed by a commodity drone. If the US learns one thing from this war it's that drones are more important to warfighting in 2023 than just about any expensive offensive weapon program.

Where in his speech did

Putin reiterate "his vision for a "new world order" in which #Russia has the right to conquer all countries previously ruled by the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union."

That is such an exaggeration it should be included amongst your other firehoses of falsehoods. This is pro-war propaganda.
Imagine these guys still trying to sell you on their version of the Ukraine war after everything that they said and believed about the war turned out to be a lie.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/30/this-may-be-just-the-beginning-the-guards-at-finlands-closed-russian-border

Russian warship, Go F yourself!!

Love it!
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Unit2Sucks
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Russian support for this war has collapsed. Despite all of the domestic and international propaganda, Putin is having a hard time convincing anyone (except shills and useful idiots) that being a pariah corrupt kleptocratic petro-state designed to enrich his personal fortune is good for Russians.



Maybe as more and more attacks on Russia's already crumbling infrastructure mount, people in Russia can't help but see that even if they don't go off to die in this stupid war, they are being impacted. Russia's budget has balooned with massive military expenditures and no amount of magical thinking will convince Russians that they are in better shape now than before this dumb war started.





And in a significant interview with the AP, Zelensky acknowledges that the offensive didn't accomplish goals (no surprise there - it's close to a stalemate with current limited level of western support) but says they are in it for the long haul. He also noted that he's ready to hold elections in 2024 so it will be interesting if they go ahead with it. I imagine the alternative to Zelensky is another pro-Putin puppet, like Manafort's buddy Yanukovych.


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^
quoting the full text pf U2S' favorite source Dmitri above:

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Dmitri
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Strong but humble messaging by President Zelensky:

- We've already done the unthinkable and we will do more.
- Frankly admits the counter-offensive in the south did not achieve desired results (no "goodwill gestures" or "regroupings").
- Ukraine is preparing for a protracted war.
- Ukraine is becoming self-sufficient in terms of domestic arms production. If you don't want to give us weapons to protect you, give us the means to produce them.
- Attention is key. Anyone capable of keeping attention on Ukraine should continue doing so. This includes all of us - keep talking, keep posting.
- The President, despite exhaustion, will continue to lead the world to a new fair security model.

I would also add that if you decided to somehow write off the Ukrainian army, you're deeply wrong. And that's a good thing. Stay delusional. You will be surprised.



Everything in that post and all the other content from U2S above is plain delusional, at least he acknowledges it.
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U2S hasn't mentioned Bakhmut #2 ready to fall for Russia any day now.

Is Blinken our worst SoS ever?
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movielover said:

U2S hasn't mentioned Bakhmut #2 ready to fall for Russia any day now.

Is Blinken our worst SoS ever?

Avdiivka, which it the city you are referring to, is going to fall in a month or two. Marinka, another main battlefront, has just fallen.



Ukraine is now resigned to adopt a defensive posture across the frontline, which actually suits them better, but the losses they have incurred the past year put them at a clear disadvantage going forward.
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Core war-monger neocon Lindsay Graham trying to get ahead of the unfolding Ukraine-is-a-failure narrative.
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movielover
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Ouch.
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600 days into Russia's 3 day "special military operation," there's a new sniper record from one of those old guys fighting for Ukraine. The bullet took 9 seconds - pretty incredible feat.



In other news, Russia has a sham election coming up so it's going to have the propaganda machine firing on all cylinders. ISW in with an interesting theory that they are allowing one Russian to criticize the war effort in order to give the veneer of a free country.



For anyone interested in reading more about how little regard Putin has for his warfighters, here is yet another example. They place no value on Russian lives which is why they are so comfortable throwing wave after wave into pyrrhic battles.


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Unit2Sucks said:

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They'll work it out, thirst for graft, kickbacks, and free money.
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Unit2Sucks said:

600 days into Russia's 3 day "special military operation," there's a new sniper record from one of those old guys fighting for Ukraine. The bullet took 9 seconds - pretty incredible feat.



"Incredible" is the operative word here... First you had the Ghost of Kiev, and now you have the super senior sniper breaking records. Perhaps the goal here is to try to raise morale by creating a older hero for the country that now has to rely on the oldest army in the world.

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In other news, Russia has a sham election coming up so it's going to have the propaganda machine firing on all cylinders. ISW in with an interesting theory that they are allowing one Russian to criticize the war effort in order to give the veneer of a free country.

"Sham election" is better than no election at all, Zelensky's government has long banned all opposition parties, closed down his country's oldest church denomination, and gulaged people like Gonzalo Lira, whose only crime was to post blogs critical of the Zelensky regime. Lira is being tortured in a Ukrainian hellhole, he has suffered severe beatings and in his early captivity,



"I was tortured in two of the four cells I was inby the other prisoners," Lira posted in a 25-tweet thread on Monday evening.

"I got a cracked rib in my first cell, but it wasn't too bad. The worst stretch was in my fourth cell. From 1 pm on June 21 until 7 pm the next day 30 hours" two inmates tortured him and at one point "used a toothpick to scratch the whites of my left eye, while asking me if I could still read if I had just one," Lira wrote.

Reportedly, one of the individuals involved in the torture of the 55-year-old blogger was supposedly rebuked for causing bruising on the blogger's chest, as the instructions had been to avoid leaving any visible marks."


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For anyone interested in reading more about how little regard Putin has for his warfighters, here is yet another example. They place no value on Russian lives which is why they are so comfortable throwing wave after wave into pyrrhic battles.

The side that places no value on their soldiers' lives somehow just happens to have lost around 8 times fewer soldiers than the other side... Ukraine has been wasting its personnel in ill-fated suicidal frontal assaults, and now, having used up a lot of its youth, has to rely on women and older men, many of whom forcibly conscripted.
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Vivek takes on the Fox neocons.

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Republican Party doing its best to lose Ukraine to Russia
https://www.threads.net/@willoaksstudio/post/C0krogRubcq/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
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WATCH: U.S. Navy Veteran Laura Hubka gives a CLEAR explanation on why Ukraine aid needs to pass ASAP. Calling out senatorchuckgrassley who claims he supports the Troops.


Ukraine aid needs to pass because there are still a couple hundred thousand Ukrainian teenage and grandpa conscripts who have not died yet on the front.
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x.com reader added context

Austin warned Congress Tuesday that if lawmakers fail to pass more aid to Ukraine that it "very likely" will lead to U.S. troops on the ground in Europe defending NATO allies in other countries Russia may target next."
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Let's ignore yet again all the experts like Mearsheimer and Kennan who predicted the current mess and pretend that this conflict is about Russian territorial expansion.


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dajo9 said:

Republican Party doing its best to lose Ukraine to Russia
https://www.threads.net/@willoaksstudio/post/C0krogRubcq/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Ya boy Biden already lost that one. Don't go blaming Republicans because Biden is militarily impotent.
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It's become pretty clear today that Ukraine is losing the war, they have been losing personnel at a much higher rate than the Russians throughout this war of attrition they are ill-equipped to fight.

Ukraine has lost close to half a million soldiers killed in action and several hundred thousand more injured or maimed. Their number of injured might actually be smaller than their KIAs because they don't do a good job of evacuating their injured, both because of higher-ups neglect and because of Russian drones attacking their supply lines (see video below).

The official narrative will be untenable once these Ukrainian casualty numbers will be confirmed next year from Ukrainian sources themselves, as the cohesion of the Kiev government erodes in light of the sheer scale of the cumulative losses. Russia's losses are 8 to 10 times lower.

More and more Ukrainian women on the front, and Ukraine not evacuating its wounded:


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^ And this is how they have been filling their trenches with fresh fodder - Ukrainian storm troopers invest a health spa in Transcarpathia, the region in the southwestern corner of Ukraine populated by the Hungarian Rusyn minority. That region has had some of the highest losses per capita in the entire country.

This video with its silent movie score would have been pretty funny, if it weren't so tragic. These old guys in speedos are being press-ganged into service and most are going to get schrapnelled in some frozen trench at the other side of the country within a week or two:



Prediction: Transcarpathia, which has switched countries 4 times already in this old man's life, will revert back to Hungary within 2 or 3 years.

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How Ukrainian civilians defended Kherson, targeted Russians after invasion | 60 Minutes - CBS News


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukrainian-civilian-resistance-fighters-60-minutes-transcript/
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bearister said:

How Ukrainian civilians defended Kherson, targeted Russians after invasion | 60 Minutes - CBS News

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukrainian-civilian-resistance-fighters-60-minutes-transcript/


This is why any talk about Russia winning this war can be immediately dismissed. They cannot and will not be able to occupy Ukraine. The best they can hope for is what they already have and as long as they hold it they will be subject to attacks inside Russia and Russian-held Ukraine. What is the point of that again? It took the US two decades to figure that out in Afghanistan. Hopefully Russians learn faster.
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History Legends: MASSIVE Russian gains in Avdiivka & Bakhmut.

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Only people with your viewpoints claim that Russia wants to occupy all of Ukraine and then storm into Europe.

Russia signed a Peace deal and has consistently been focused on culturally Russian Eastern Ukraine. But you purposefully ignore that fact. Sadly, the longer your ilk hold on, the more Ukranian men who will die, and the further west Russia will move.
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