The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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bearister said:




Parroting quotes out of context I see. Shame.
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oski003 said:


Parroting quotes out of context I see. Shame.
Democrats are going to Democrat.
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bearister said:



Trump sat with Zelensky and told him to get along with Russia.

Had Trump been president, the Ukraine war would have been avoided, one million Ukrainians would still be alive or not severely wounded or amputated, and Ukraine would still be the largest country in Europe.

This would have been the best possible outcome for all concerned parties, the Donbass, Ukraine and Russia. Instead we now have the biggest war in Europe since WW2, with fanatic neocons like Victoria Neuland and the ghost of McCain running US policy in EE, using Ukraine in a failed attempt to weaken Russia.

If, somehow, you're lucid enough to put aside the TDS, this reality would sink in.
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UNs limp members... Colonel Douglass McGregor again proven right.

Business Insider: Britain's $3.7B aircraft carriers were meant to take a crowning role in a major NATO exercise then failed to set sail, twice

Brand new aircraft carriets can't sail.

"He listed a series of problems, including an aging fleet of ballistic missile submarines, "precariously low" weapon stocks and engineering stores, and a gaping lack of personnel. He also said the Royal Navy doesn't have enough ships, particularly destroyers and frigates."
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UniParty warmongers Pence and Pompeo out themselves. I guess three wars aren't enough.

Fund and arm Iran... and then declare war on them.

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Tucker on his experience in Russia:



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Moscow is much cleaner and safer than any major city in the US. What was radicalizing, very shocking and very disturbing for me was the city of Moscow, where I'd never been, the biggest city in Europe, 13 million people.

And it is so much nicer than any city in my country. I had no idea. My father spent a lot of time there in the 80s when he worked for the US government and barely had electricity. And now it is so much cleaner and safer and prettier aesthetically. Its architecture, its food, its service than any country in the United States that you have to, and this is non ideological.

How did that happen? How did that happen? And at a certain point, I don't think the average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life. And if you can't use your subway, for example, as many people are afraid to in New York City because it's too dangerous, you have to sort of wonder, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership?

And that's true, by the way, it's radicalizing for an American to go to Moscow. I, I didn't know that. I've learned it this week. To Singapore, to Tokyo, to Dubai and Abu Dhabi, because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run, and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live that don't have rampant inflation, where you're not going to get raped... So why is that?
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Thank you Cal88 for your informative posts here. Last I read Russia was caught in 1990s mob corruption - until your posts piqued my curiosity.

This sounds like a different chapter of Trumps book about 'sh-thole countries' - ie, as a real estate person, being disgusted that so many other nations have modern airports, rail, highways and skyscrapers.

And then we spend hundreds of Billions on "infrastructure" bills that are 90% pork and non infrastructure - school spending, community centers, lobbyist priorities, exporting transgender ideology internationally, etc.
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Putin thinks the fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the last century which continues to drive his revanchism.
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"First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century," Putin said. "As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.


Russia continues to be Ukraine's largest arms supplier.



Cucker Tarlson's infomercial for Putin's grievances is the gift that keeps on giving.


Russia will inevitably pryhhic itself to victory in Avdiivka for Putin's shambolic re-election, but at what cost?



Where do I report a murder?

And once again for people in the cheap seats.
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Cal88 said:

Tucker on his experience in Russia:



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Moscow is much cleaner and safer than any major city in the US. What was radicalizing, very shocking and very disturbing for me was the city of Moscow, where I'd never been, the biggest city in Europe, 13 million people.

And it is so much nicer than any city in my country. I had no idea. My father spent a lot of time there in the 80s when he worked for the US government and barely had electricity. And now it is so much cleaner and safer and prettier aesthetically. Its architecture, its food, its service than any country in the United States that you have to, and this is non ideological.

How did that happen? How did that happen? And at a certain point, I don't think the average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life. And if you can't use your subway, for example, as many people are afraid to in New York City because it's too dangerous, you have to sort of wonder, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership?

And that's true, by the way, it's radicalizing for an American to go to Moscow. I, I didn't know that. I've learned it this week. To Singapore, to Tokyo, to Dubai and Abu Dhabi, because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run, and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live that don't have rampant inflation, where you're not going to get raped... So why is that?


Did you cut off the part where Tucker Carlson marveled at "All the white people!", or did he not say the quiet part out loud?

He should move to Russia; maybe he could hang out with Steven Seagal! And I believe Trump has already told him that the prostitutes over there will pee on you, if you pay them enough!
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Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Tucker on his experience in Russia:



Quote:

Moscow is much cleaner and safer than any major city in the US. What was radicalizing, very shocking and very disturbing for me was the city of Moscow, where I'd never been, the biggest city in Europe, 13 million people.

And it is so much nicer than any city in my country. I had no idea. My father spent a lot of time there in the 80s when he worked for the US government and barely had electricity. And now it is so much cleaner and safer and prettier aesthetically. Its architecture, its food, its service than any country in the United States that you have to, and this is non ideological.

How did that happen? How did that happen? And at a certain point, I don't think the average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life. And if you can't use your subway, for example, as many people are afraid to in New York City because it's too dangerous, you have to sort of wonder, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership?

And that's true, by the way, it's radicalizing for an American to go to Moscow. I, I didn't know that. I've learned it this week. To Singapore, to Tokyo, to Dubai and Abu Dhabi, because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run, and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live that don't have rampant inflation, where you're not going to get raped... So why is that?


Did you cut off the part where Tucker Carlson marveled at "All the white people!", or did he not say the quiet part out loud?

He should move to Russia; maybe he could hang out with Steven Seagal! And I believe Trump has already told him that the prostitutes over there will pee on you, if you pay them enough!

Perhaps if Russia has shipped millions of slaves from Africa like the US or Brazil did, or colonized large swaths of Africa like France or Britain, their big cities would be less white?...

Moscow actually has a fairly diverse population, ethnic Russians are only 70%, with most of the remaining 30% being from central or east Asia, along with migrants from former Soviet states and a smaller contingent of migrants from Africa and the Middle East. As well Moscow has the largest Muslim population of any city in Europe (outside of Istanbul), with about 1.5 million people. Russia is about 15% Muslim as a country, largest percentage in Europe outside of Bosnia and Albania.

Also, Moscow has the lowest number of homeless people of any large metropolis in Europe. Los Angeles alone has more homeless people than in all of Russia. There are no homeless encampments and skid rows like you have in just about any major city in the US or western Europe. Note that this was not the case a few decades ago, Russia was a compete run down basketcase in the 1990s.
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Unit2Sucks said:


And once again for people in the cheap seats.


Yes, parts of Ukraine are Russian. You could use a little refresher here:





Russia had no problem with the Russian parts of Ukraine being in Ukraine, until Ukraine decided to de-Russify them, banning their language, culture and church, tearing down their WW2 memorials honoring millions who have died fighting nazi Germany and replacing them with statues of Waffen SS leaders from western Ukraine.

If this war drags on another year or two, most of these Russian-majority territories will be annexed to Russia.

The rest of your post is the usual long diatribe heavily based on projection, trying to claim that:

- Russia is the party that is bleeding on the frontlines in this war

- Russia is the party that is losing its arsenal due to corruption and arms trafficking

The main challenge with these posts of yours it trying to figure out how much of that tomfoolery is sheer true believer asininity, and how much is willful dupery, usually it's about 50-50.
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Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Tucker on his experience in Russia:



Quote:

Moscow is much cleaner and safer than any major city in the US. What was radicalizing, very shocking and very disturbing for me was the city of Moscow, where I'd never been, the biggest city in Europe, 13 million people.

And it is so much nicer than any city in my country. I had no idea. My father spent a lot of time there in the 80s when he worked for the US government and barely had electricity. And now it is so much cleaner and safer and prettier aesthetically. Its architecture, its food, its service than any country in the United States that you have to, and this is non ideological.

How did that happen? How did that happen? And at a certain point, I don't think the average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life. And if you can't use your subway, for example, as many people are afraid to in New York City because it's too dangerous, you have to sort of wonder, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership?

And that's true, by the way, it's radicalizing for an American to go to Moscow. I, I didn't know that. I've learned it this week. To Singapore, to Tokyo, to Dubai and Abu Dhabi, because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run, and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live that don't have rampant inflation, where you're not going to get raped... So why is that?


Did you cut off the part where Tucker Carlson marveled at "All the white people!", or did he not say the quiet part out loud?

He should move to Russia; maybe he could hang out with Steven Seagal! And I believe Trump has already told him that the prostitutes over there will pee on you, if you pay them enough!

Perhaps if Russia has shipped millions of slaves from Africa like the US or Brazil did, or colonized large swaths of Africa like France or Britain, their big cities would be less white?...

Moscow actually has a fairly diverse population, ethnic Russians are only 70%, with most of the remaining 30% being from central or east Asia, along with migrants from former Soviet states and a smaller contingent of migrants from Africa and the Middle East. As well Moscow has the largest Muslim population of any city in Europe (outside of Istanbul), with about 1.5 million people. Russia is about 15% Muslim as a country, largest percentage in Europe outside of Bosnia and Albania.

Also, Moscow has the lowest number of homeless people of any large metropolis in Europe. Los Angeles alone has more homeless people than in all of Russia. There are no homeless encampments and skid rows like you have in just about any major city in the US or western Europe. Note that this was not the case a few decades ago, Russia was a compete run down basketcase in the 1990s.


Touche on the colonialization thing.

But then you throw out facts as if they were facts. Fact: The bottom line here is that the closest I have ever been to Russia, personally, is Budapest. And yet I manage to know for a fact that Russia sucks. And Putin is their chief sucker.
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If the predominantly Russian speaking portions of Ukraine should be returned to Russia, then the next move should be for Canada to return Quebec to France.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

If the predominantly Russian speaking portions of Ukraine should be returned to Russia, then the next move should be for Canada to return Quebec to France.

Quebec would secede from Canada in a heartbeat if Canada imposed on it restrictions on the use of French. Same with the Basque in Spain, Flemish in Belgium etc.

The Minsk Agreements were set up to preserve the Donbass' cultural autonomy and would have prevented this war had they been respected.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

If the predominantly Russian speaking portions of Ukraine should be returned to Russia, then the next move should be for Canada to return Quebec to France.
I didn't realize France had been backing armed separatists in Quebec for decades in violation of multiple prior agreements, none of which France respects because it's not a law abiding nation.

Has France also previously caused a puppet president to be elected in Canada with the help of Donald Trump's campaign manager?

Does France have a corrupt relationship with a "church" which it uses to push its propaganda and foment dissent?

Does France also believe that Canada has no right to sovereignty because France used to control some land in North America?

Even better if France pretended that Canada unilaterally violated an international agreement that France said it wasn't bound by or a party to (even though it signed) and even though neither it nor the separatists that it backed never abided by it or intended to?

Yeah, pretty much same thing.

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Unit2Sucks said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

If the predominantly Russian speaking portions of Ukraine should be returned to Russia, then the next move should be for Canada to return Quebec to France.
I didn't realize France had been backing armed separatists in Quebec for decades in violation of multiple prior agreements, none of which France respects because it's not a law abiding nation.

Has France also previously caused a puppet president to be elected in Canada with the help of Donald Trump's campaign manager?

Does France have a corrupt relationship with a "church" which it uses to push its propaganda and foment dissent?

Does France also believe that Canada has no right to sovereignty because France used to control some land in North America?

Even better if France pretended that Canada unilaterally violated an international agreement that France said it wasn't bound by or a party to (even though it signed) and even though neither it nor the separatists that it backed never abided by it or intended to?

Yeah, pretty much same thing.


-Almost all the parties on Kiev's side came out and openly declared that the Minsk Agreements were a stalling ploy they had no intention of abiding: German chancellor Merkel, French president Hollande and Ukraine oligarch-president Petro Poroshenko.

-Canada would lose its legitimacy over Quebec if it denied that people's francophone culture, made them second class citizens and repressed their church.

-The current government in Kiev has been subject to US control since the NATO-backed Maidan Coup overthrew the democratically-elected government in 2014, with Nuland and co deciding who gets to rule in Kiev:

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Vladimir Putin raises age limit for military to 70 as Russia president grows desperate for troops


https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-raises-age-limit-russia-military-70-years-old
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Putin also saw our implosion in Afghanistan and saw it was the perfect time to move.
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bearister said:

Vladimir Putin raises age limit for military to 70 as Russia president grows desperate for troops


https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-raises-age-limit-russia-military-70-years-old
This is pretty crazy:

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The MoD's statement continued: "The pre-war 2021 life expectancy for Russian males was 64.2 years old (according to the World Data Site). Therefore, this measure confers on these service personnel, in effect, a lifetime contact."

That caused me quite a double take but it's true. Russia has the lowest life expectancy for males in all of Europe (assuming you include Russia in Europe, as many do). That's remarkable. If the average life expectancy for males was 64 in the US, there wouldn't be any GOP left.

I posted a chart recently showing how quickly life expectancies have grown for former soviet republics but didn't realize that they hadn't grown for Russia at all (looks like it might be lower now than it was 60 years ago).

Even Ukraine was 5 full years better before Putin started murdering them. Russia's is 7 years worse than Gaza!

I guess that didn't come up during Tucker's white glove propaganda tour of Moscow.


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My buddy worked for a well known global construction company. When they had dinners in Moscow, the Russkies would have their bottles of Johnny Walker (courtesy of their Yankee business buddies) on the table and half way through dinner they would be passed out in their dinner plate, like Greg Allman used to do.

That being the case, between smoking their strong cigarettes and boozing, by 64 their innards are going on 94.

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I have an acquaintance from Uzbekistan who drank vodka from noon til midnight on his birthday and could still stand. Amazing.
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When I was 20, I drank a fifth of Jack Daniels straight out of the bottle on New Year's Eve 1975 at a Cal Ski Team (club sport) party in Tahoe (not a skier, only an invitee) between 4pm-2:30 am….still standing but got sick after bedding down. 3 day hangover. Never drank JD again. Went light on drinking from late 20's forward.
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The United Nations - World Population Prospects lists Russia's life expectancy at 73 for 2023:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/life-expectancy

Note that it was as low as 64 years at the end of the 1990s, when Russia was a complete basketcase. Life expectancy has been climbing steadily ever since, the current war notwithstanding.

The life expectancy in the US is 77.3 - and declining.

Russia has lower child mortality levels than the US, 5.4 per 1000 for Russia vs 6.3 for the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates

As well Russia's alcohol consumption rate has dropped sharply, it is today similar to that of many western European countries:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-consumption-by-country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
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bearister said:

My buddy worked for a well known global construction company. When they had dinners in Moscow, the Russkies would have their bottles of Johnny Walker (courtesy of their Yankee business buddies) on the table and half way through dinner they would be passed out in their dinner plate, like Greg Allman used to do.

That being the case, between smoking their strong cigarettes and boozing, by 64 their innards are going on 94.


I don't think booze is the reason that Russian men have central African equivalent life expectancy.

I'm not quite sure what the exact reason is since this pre-dates their sacrifice of so many men in their stupid war with Ukraine but there is pretty clearly something going on in Russia that is causing men in particular to have such poor outcomes. I know Russia had a rough time with COVID but not sure that is it either.

The gap between men and women is more than 10 years, which is the largest in the world.

The most interesting part is that this message seems to have come directly from the Russian MOD so if they say the number is 64, then you can pretty much guarantee it's not some better number like the shills would normally pretend.
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Unit2Sucks said:

bearister said:

My buddy worked for a well known global construction company. When they had dinners in Moscow, the Russkies would have their bottles of Johnny Walker (courtesy of their Yankee business buddies) on the table and half way through dinner they would be passed out in their dinner plate, like Greg Allman used to do.

That being the case, between smoking their strong cigarettes and boozing, by 64 their innards are going on 94.


I don't think booze is the reason that Russian men have central African equivalent life expectancy.

I'm not quite sure what the exact reason is since this pre-dates their sacrifice of so many men in their stupid war with Ukraine but there is pretty clearly something going on in Russia that is causing men in particular to have such poor outcomes. I know Russia had a rough time with COVID but not sure that is it either.

The gap between men and women is more than 10 years, which is the largest in the world.

The most interesting part is that this message seems to have come directly from the Russian MOD so if they say the number is 64, then you can pretty much guarantee it's not some better number like the shills would normally pretend.


It is 73, per the UN Link above. You should read what other folks wrote instead of preaching bull*****
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Good summary of the current situation by Colonel Daniel Davies:

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This is what a real interview of a Russian government official looks like. Rather than allow Nebenzya to gaslight the way Carlson did, Sackur calls him out for his pathetic lies.

Too bad Sackur didn't ask him why Russian men have the same life expectancy of those in Rwanda.



Russia pretends to criticize Israel for its deeds in the West Bank and Gaza while simultaneously cleansing Ukrainian territory of Ukrainians and repopulating with Russians (don't worry, sounds like they are also stealing Ukrainian children to help with Russia's demographic disaster).


Putin also thinks he owns Estonia.



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This is an outstanding read and well worth the time. The general conclusion is that the US faces a no-win situation both in Ukraine and in the Middle East.

https://open.substack.com/pub/bigserge/p/the-age-of-zugzwang?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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Unit2Sucks said:

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Russia pretends to criticize Israel for its deeds in the West Bank and Gaza while simultaneously cleansing Ukrainian territory of Ukrainians and repopulating with Russians (don't worry, sounds like they are also stealing Ukrainian children to help with Russia's demographic disaster).



This is low-grade neocon propaganda curtesy of the Kagans, whose lies paved the way to the Iraq war. This Ukraine propaganda is manufactured for those who have no idea about Ukraine or Crimea. Basic fact: The Russians in Crimea already were the largest demographic in 1900, and Crimea already had a solid majority of Russians in 2014, that's why its transition to Russia was so smooth - the supermajority of Crimeans wanted nothing to do with the Maidan regime in Kiev.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea

All of U2Sucks longer posts the last year plus are based on projection, trying to project on Russia something that is at crisis levels in Ukraine, and here he is indulging in a prime example, demography, trying to project onto Russia what has been the worst demographic crisis since WW2: the collapse of Ukrainian demography.

Ukraine used to have 52 million people in 1993, but today it has half as many people. The population started decreasing sharply before the war as Ukraine has been the most corrupt country in Europe, prompting younger people to flee to Poland, Germany and Russia where they have better economic opportunities. This exodus has accelerated with the war. the population of Ukraine is officially listed now in the mid-30s, but is probably closer to the mid-20s, a large percentage of its people having fled.

Russia has a fertility rate of 1.83, among the highest in Europe. Its demography is no longer in a dire situation, which it was in the 1990s, a period that was much worse on Russia than the Great Depression was on the US.
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Also noteworthy, today was among the most difficult for Ukraine in the entire war, as Russia targeted with a missile salvo a large concentration of Ukrainian troops in a town 40km from Avdiivka that was being used as a major staging ground. Ukraine allegedly lost nearly 1,000 troops in that attack.

This is a huge failure on behalf of the Ukrainian military command, it marks an ominous start of the newly appointed military chief Sirsky, who has replaced Zaluzhny, recently fired by Zelensky. Sirsky is not popular in Ukraine, because he has favored human waves and has stubbornly doubled down in situations where Ukraine would have been better off retreating, such as Bakhmut last year, and now, Avdiivka. In this case, he was bringing in large reinforcements to the Avdiivka front in an costly effort to slow down Russian advances.




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Cal88 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

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Russia pretends to criticize Israel for its deeds in the West Bank and Gaza while simultaneously cleansing Ukrainian territory of Ukrainians and repopulating with Russians (don't worry, sounds like they are also stealing Ukrainian children to help with Russia's demographic disaster).



This is low-grade neocon propaganda curtesy of the Kagans, whose lies paved the way to the Iraq war. This Ukraine propaganda is manufactured for those who have no idea about Ukraine or Crimea. Basic fact: The Russians in Crimea already were the largest demographic in 1900, and Crimea already had a solid majority of Russians in 2014, that's why its transition to Russia was so smooth - the supermajority of Crimeans wanted nothing to do with the Maidan regime in Kiev.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea

All of U2Sucks longer posts the last year plus are based on projection, trying to project on Russia something that is at crisis levels in Ukraine, and here he is indulging in a prime example, demography, trying to project onto Russia what has been the worst demographic crisis since WW2: the collapse of Ukrainian demography.

Ukraine used to have 52 million people in 1993, but today it has half as many people. The population started decreasing sharply before the war as Ukraine has been the most corrupt country in Europe, prompting younger people to flee to Poland, Germany and Russia where they have better economic opportunities. This exodus has accelerated with the war. the population of Ukraine is officially listed now in the mid-30s, but is probably closer to the mid-20s, a large percentage of its people having fled.

Russia has a fertility rate of 1.83, among the highest in Europe. Its demography is no longer in a dire situation, which it was in the 1990s, a period that was much worse on Russia than the Great Depression was on the US.



Why do Russian men only live on average to 65, which is near Rwandan men at 63? US is in the 70s.
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According to Data Commons, it's 71.3 years. The war may affect these numbers.
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bearister said:

Vladimir Putin raises age limit for military to 70 as Russia president grows desperate for troops


https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-raises-age-limit-russia-military-70-years-old
bearister posts Thomas Friedman op-eds and links from the Heritage Foundation and Great Britain News, but bristles at being called a closet Republican. I guess some conspiracy theories are OK when they're Democrat approved conspiracies.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gb-news-uk-bias/

https://media.tenor.com/uARaKFpSkaMAAAAC/anger-management-jack-nicholson.gif
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oski003 said:

Cal88 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

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Russia pretends to criticize Israel for its deeds in the West Bank and Gaza while simultaneously cleansing Ukrainian territory of Ukrainians and repopulating with Russians (don't worry, sounds like they are also stealing Ukrainian children to help with Russia's demographic disaster).



This is low-grade neocon propaganda curtesy of the Kagans, whose lies paved the way to the Iraq war. This Ukraine propaganda is manufactured for those who have no idea about Ukraine or Crimea. Basic fact: The Russians in Crimea already were the largest demographic in 1900, and Crimea already had a solid majority of Russians in 2014, that's why its transition to Russia was so smooth - the supermajority of Crimeans wanted nothing to do with the Maidan regime in Kiev.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea

All of U2Sucks longer posts the last year plus are based on projection, trying to project on Russia something that is at crisis levels in Ukraine, and here he is indulging in a prime example, demography, trying to project onto Russia what has been the worst demographic crisis since WW2: the collapse of Ukrainian demography.

Ukraine used to have 52 million people in 1993, but today it has half as many people. The population started decreasing sharply before the war as Ukraine has been the most corrupt country in Europe, prompting younger people to flee to Poland, Germany and Russia where they have better economic opportunities. This exodus has accelerated with the war. the population of Ukraine is officially listed now in the mid-30s, but is probably closer to the mid-20s, a large percentage of its people having fled.

Russia has a fertility rate of 1.83, among the highest in Europe. Its demography is no longer in a dire situation, which it was in the 1990s, a period that was much worse on Russia than the Great Depression was on the US.



Why do Russian men only live on average to 65, which is near Rwandan men at 63? US is in the 70s.

Between 1990 and 2000, 45% of Russians lived in abject poverty, social problems were rampant - alcoholism, drug use etc due to the economic and social collapse post-USSR. Life expectancy was even lower back then, it has been rising ever since:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/life-expectancy
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