Russia says it scrambled fighter jet as US bombers approached border
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2024/03/24/Russia-says-it-scrambled-fighter-jet-as-US-bombers-approached-border
I appreciate that some of them are just posting fully pro-Putin stuff rather than being oblique about it. Shows where we're at.tequila4kapp said:
This thread bleeds into an uncomfortable exercise in people sharing obscure social media posts confirming their preconceived beliefs. I guess that's been happening for a while. But when pieces can be put together to advance very out there consoiracy theories…
It's going to get worse pic.twitter.com/5CSdjMxzZV
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 25, 2024
movielover said:
Ex weapons Inspector & chat room aficionado Scott Ritter shares alleged new facts about the Moscow attack.
- Russia was tracking one cell phone from the attack site, as they drove to Ukraine (smart)
- Russia has their 4 cell phones
- they also arrested 40 Turks?
- Ritter's analogy is that the C-A created Frankenstein, and now he's escaped
- terrorists don't blur their faces, held up wrong hand - i.e., not ISIS
- Russia just hit a "former" civilian facility (hint), and pinpointed several buildings for missile strikes
- Zelensky is now likely living on borrowed time, no-assasination agreement off the table
- Russia will ramp up taking out energy sources, which they've previously avoided, while still avoiding civilians
https://www.youtube.com/live/mXN9mcrsdqY?si=4fsuOVic3R7aMvVE
🇷🇺🚨‼️ The Russian president says only the west and Ukraine profits and are likely behind the attack. pic.twitter.com/4Aua9ndgJo
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) March 25, 2024
Could it be that Putin is looking for a reason for the Russians not to blame him for not keeping Russians safe from the ISIS terrorists? Instead, does it not seem a little too convenient for Putin to use this tragedy to not only rile the public up over Ukraine and USA instead of admitting that he got distracted with empire building and took his eyes of the ball? Let's just ignore that US shared their intelligence with Russia before the attack.movielover said:It's going to get worse pic.twitter.com/5CSdjMxzZV
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 25, 2024
tequila4kapp said:
This thread bleeds into an uncomfortable exercise in people sharing obscure social media posts confirming their preconceived beliefs. I guess that's been happening for a while. But when pieces can be put together to advance very out there consoiracy theories…
calbear93 said:
Could it be that Putin is looking for a reason for the Russians not to blame him for not keeping Russians safe from the ISIS terrorists? Instead, does it not seem a little too convenient for Putin to use this tragedy to not only rile the public up over Ukraine and USA instead of admitting that he got distracted with empire building and took his eyes of the ball? Let's just ignore that US shared their intelligence with Russia before the attack.
You know, Stanford was not honorable for refusing to play Cal in Rugby. You would have to be anti-Cal to always look at things that favor Stanford.
Even after Musk cancelling contracts based on speech and suing posters based on content he does not like, you still believe that he is still a champion for freedom of speech and freedom of press?bear2034 said:tequila4kapp said:
This thread bleeds into an uncomfortable exercise in people sharing obscure social media posts confirming their preconceived beliefs. I guess that's been happening for a while. But when pieces can be put together to advance very out there consoiracy theories…
It's the job of the media to expose the government, not to protect them. If they did their job, there would be no need to need to question the government. Now we're stuck with questioning both the government and media. One day, we won't be able to do either without repercussion. Thank God, Elon Musk bought Twitter.
If you want to complain now about Twitter policies, there are two other threads here to join the conversation.calbear93 said:
Even after Musk cancelling contracts based on speech and suing posters based on content he does not like that he is still is champion for freedom of speech and freedom of press?
I was responding to a post expressing gratitude that Musk bought Twitter. Maybe your comment would be more appropriate for the post I was responding to?bear2034 said:If you want to complain now about Twitter policies, there are two other threads here to join the conversation.calbear93 said:
Even after Musk cancelling contracts based on speech and suing posters based on content he does not like that he is still is champion for freedom of speech and freedom of press?
tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
HOLY SHIT…
— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) March 25, 2024
“Who is to benefit? This crime can only be a link, in a chain of attempts, by those who are at war with our country since 2014”.
Putin is referring the Obama State Dept/CIA who overthrew Ukraine (Nuland).
Putin is blaming the Deep State…pic.twitter.com/0gdTUashCX
If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
calbear93 said:If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.
🇷🇺🇹🇷🚨‼️ Russia sends information about ISIS to Turkey! It was obtained from the “questioned” Crd concert hall terrorists.
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) March 25, 2024
“40 suspected members of the terrorist organization ISIS banned in the Russian Federation were detained in Turkey” - Turkish media
Turkey's Interior… pic.twitter.com/Rj53FEriv4
Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.bear2034 said:calbear93 said:If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.
The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.
calbear93 said:Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.bear2034 said:calbear93 said:If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.
The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.
The death of ideology | John Mearsheimer [Full Interview] https://t.co/NVgmwIcV2L via @YouTube
— Ray Martin (@raymartin48) January 31, 2024
I hadn't been aware of this at the time I made my post, but apparently ISIS released first-person video yesterday from the terrorist attack.Unit2Sucks said:calbear93 said:
Could it be that Putin is looking for a reason for the Russians not to blame him for not keeping Russians safe from the ISIS terrorists? Instead, does it not seem a little too convenient for Putin to use this tragedy to not only rile the public up over Ukraine and USA instead of admitting that he got distracted with empire building and took his eyes of the ball? Let's just ignore that US shared their intelligence with Russia before the attack.
You know, Stanford was not honorable for refusing to play Cal in Rugby. You would have to be anti-Cal to always look at things that favor Stanford.
It feels pretty early to draw any conclusions about the attack. You obviously can't take anything Putin or Russia takes at face value.
Based on what they are currently claiming (well, there are a number of conflicting claims, so you have to be generous in interpreting anything) this was a quite amateurish attempt by Ukrainian intel to massacre civilians and blame it on ISIS. We have seen amateurish actions by Ukraine, so it's plausible but this one seems particularly callous and dumb. Very unclear to me what Ukraine gains by killing a bunch of random people in Moscow. I mean, ffs, it didn't work out well for Hamas (which Russia was involved in of course).
Russia has done false flag attacks before - famously the 1999 apartment bombings he used to trigger the second chechen war. Putin hasn't changed so it's entirely possible that's what happened here. There are quite a few reasons to believe it could have happened - Russian support for the war is flagging, his re-election didn't go as well as he had hoped (ignoring the obviously fake voting that was reported), and he has to do a mobilization soon. Putin has been threatening an escalation for a while but didn't really have any good reason to do so and it's obvious he wants to absolutely devastate Ukraine since the whole make believe liberation angle has obviously outlived its usefulness. But if this was a false flag it was an absolutely amateurish one. I mean, it's certainly not one that makes Russia or Putin look good or strong. A few dudes walk into a concert hall, kill a bunch of people and walk away clean. And then hours later get picked up and tortured? That's not exactly going to have people singing Putin's praises.
Third option is that this is actually ISIS or some other group of religious extremists. Plenty of reason to be skeptical of this one as well. There have been some ISIS attacks on Russia lately so it's not something you can rule out, but this doesn't quite feel like normal Islamic terroristm.
I think the most striking comparison is probably the 10/7 Hamas attack on the music festival. Even down to credible intelligence warnings (the US even publicly warned US citizens that this could be happening).
Unfortunately given that Russia is a corrupt kleptocracy, we may never confidently know what really happened. Hopefully whoever is behind this, doesn't do it again. Either way, Russia will continue to wreck Ukraine and will probably continue to use this tragedy as motivation/inspiration/excuse to kill Ukrainian civilians and continue/escalate their devastation of Ukraine.
bearister said:
Regardless of who is responsible for the Moscow attack, the Invasion of the Ukraine and the extent of the damage being done in Gaza will pretty much guarantee another 30+ years of terrorist attacks, including suicide bombings. A whole bunch of kids are growing up with payback hate.
Ukrainians put 8,000 cellphones connected to microphones on 6-foot poles around the country to detect incoming Russian drones. They detected 84/84 and shot down 80 of them with AA guns. Cost: $500ea
— Chris Anderson (@chr1sa) March 25, 2024
--- Gen James B Hecker, Commander US Air Forces, Europehttps://t.co/sisNvXdyxQ
bearister said:
Because both operations are generating psychotic hatred in the children that are observing their families being fed through a meat grinder, regardless of what explanation you want to serve up to them later in life that it was entirely justified. That's why.
Are there any other questions I can help you with?
ISIS is back.
— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) March 25, 2024
Iran has gotten billions.
Joe Biden has helped usher in multiple wars and terrorist attacks.
Say a prayer that the millions of unvetted illegals coming into the US won’t launch an attack.
Not saying that US has not made great blunders in foreign policy, including Iraq without plans post war. Same with NATO, including bombing a sovereign nation over internal actions, even if we were disgusted by their ethnic cleansing toward Muslims.Cal88 said:calbear93 said:Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.bear2034 said:calbear93 said:If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.
The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.
We have provided plenty of rational criticism of US foreign policy and leadership, here is a good capsule:
(video link broken by BI software due to its URL actually spelling a four-letter female body part! Here is the link to that same YT video through Twitter below)The death of ideology | John Mearsheimer [Full Interview] https://t.co/NVgmwIcV2L via @YouTube
— Ray Martin (@raymartin48) January 31, 2024
calbear93 said:Not saying that US has not made great blunders in foreign policy, including Iraq without plans post war. Same with NATO, including bombing a sovereign nation over internal actions, even if we were disgusted by their ethnic cleansing toward Muslims.Cal88 said:calbear93 said:Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.bear2034 said:calbear93 said:If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.
The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.
We have provided plenty of rational criticism of US foreign policy and leadership, here is a good capsule:
But saying that US is the common enemy worse than ISIS cannot be aligned with denial that someone is not anti-American. That was the post I was responding to. And that type of statement makes an American like me disregard anything else that person may say on anything else.
US had nothing to do with defanging ISIS? If we had just put up walls and refused to participate in global efforts, ISIS would have died a natural death? I mean, I give Trump some credit for what he did with ISIS, but I guess he is just a globalist as well and should have just left it alone.Cal88 said:calbear93 said:Not saying that US has not made great blunders in foreign policy, including Iraq without plans post war. Same with NATO, including bombing a sovereign nation over internal actions, even if we were disgusted by their ethnic cleansing toward Muslims.Cal88 said:calbear93 said:Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.bear2034 said:calbear93 said:If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.
The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.
We have provided plenty of rational criticism of US foreign policy and leadership, here is a good capsule:
But saying that US is the common enemy worse than ISIS cannot be aligned with denial that someone is not anti-American. That was the post I was responding to. And that type of statement makes an American like me disregard anything else that person may say on anything else.
ISIS was a product of American policy, it coalesced in Iraq as a response to the US occupation of that country. This is not a value judgment on ISIS and the other headchoppers, they are the worst of the worst, but the fact that they came about through US policy has been clearly established.
ISIS today is located in areas of Syria occupied by the US and NATO allies (Turkey in the Idlib region).
I think the characterization of US policy being the more dangerous of the two today lies in the fact that ISIS has been largely dormant and defanged in the past few years, whereas the ongoing escalation in Ukraine is bringing us to the verge of a hot war with Russia.
calbear93 said:US had nothing to do with defanging ISIS? If we had just put up walls and refused to participate in global efforts, ISIS would have died a natural death? I mean, I give Trump some credit for what he did with ISIS, but I guess he is just a globalist as well and should have just left it alone.Cal88 said:calbear93 said:Not saying that US has not made great blunders in foreign policy, including Iraq without plans post war. Same with NATO, including bombing a sovereign nation over internal actions, even if we were disgusted by their ethnic cleansing toward Muslims.Cal88 said:calbear93 said:Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.bear2034 said:calbear93 said:If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.tequila4kapp said:
Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.
ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.
The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.
We have provided plenty of rational criticism of US foreign policy and leadership, here is a good capsule:
But saying that US is the common enemy worse than ISIS cannot be aligned with denial that someone is not anti-American. That was the post I was responding to. And that type of statement makes an American like me disregard anything else that person may say on anything else.
ISIS was a product of American policy, it coalesced in Iraq as a response to the US occupation of that country. This is not a value judgment on ISIS and the other headchoppers, they are the worst of the worst, but the fact that they came about through US policy has been clearly established.
ISIS today is located in areas of Syria occupied by the US and NATO allies (Turkey in the Idlib region).
I think the characterization of US policy being the more dangerous of the two today lies in the fact that ISIS has been largely dormant and defanged in the past few years, whereas the ongoing escalation in Ukraine is bringing us to the verge of a hot war with Russia.
There is no proof that ISIS was a product of American policy. Sure, under the butterfly effect, anything could cause anything else. But ISIS would have come no matter what, because they believe that their religion should be forced on every one on earth by force. It wasn't a political rebellion against US incursion. That is why they attack even our enemies like Iran and Russia and even Taliban.
That is what I mean by trying to blame US for everything.