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This thread bleeds into an uncomfortable exercise in people sharing obscure social media posts confirming their preconceived beliefs. I guess that's been happening for a while. But when pieces can be put together to advance very out there consoiracy theories…

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I appreciate that some of them are just posting fully pro-Putin stuff rather than being oblique about it. Shows where we're at.

Ex weapons Inspector & chat room aficionado Scott Ritter shares alleged new facts about the Moscow attack.

- Russia was tracking one cell phone from the attack site, as they drove to Ukraine (smart)
- Russia has their 4 cell phones
- they also arrested 40 Turks?
- Ritter's analogy is that the C-A created Frankenstein, and now he's escaped
- terrorists don't blur their faces, held up wrong hand - i.e., not ISIS
- Russia just hit a "former" civilian facility (hint), and pinpointed several buildings for missile strikes
- Zelensky is now likely living on borrowed time, no-assasination agreement off the table
- Russia will ramp up taking out energy sources, which they've previously avoided, while still avoiding civilians

https://www.youtube.com/live/mXN9mcrsdqY?si=4fsuOVic3R7aMvVE

It's going to get worse pic.twitter.com/5CSdjMxzZV

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 25, 2024

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Ex weapons Inspector & chat room aficionado Scott Ritter shares alleged new facts about the Moscow attack.

- Russia was tracking one cell phone from the attack site, as they drove to Ukraine (smart)
- Russia has their 4 cell phones
- they also arrested 40 Turks?
- Ritter's analogy is that the C-A created Frankenstein, and now he's escaped
- terrorists don't blur their faces, held up wrong hand - i.e., not ISIS
- Russia just hit a "former" civilian facility (hint), and pinpointed several buildings for missile strikes
- Zelensky is now likely living on borrowed time, no-assasination agreement off the table
- Russia will ramp up taking out energy sources, which they've previously avoided, while still avoiding civilians

https://www.youtube.com/live/mXN9mcrsdqY?si=4fsuOVic3R7aMvVE

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I don't think they will go after Zelensky, but Ukrainian intel chief Budanov, defense minister Rustem Umerov (a Gulenist who has had a history of organizing terror events in Crimea), and other Ukrainian intel figures are going to be their targets. In fact the Russians have already bombed intelligence HQs in Kiev with hypersonic missiles.

Provocative article with new angles and info from Brazilian writer Pepe.

It's War: The Real Meat Grinder Starts Now By Pepe Escobar

"The timing of the Crocus massacre is quite intriguing. On a Friday during Ramadan. Real Muslims would not even think about perpetrating a mass murder of unarmed civilians under such a holy occasion. Compare it with the ISIS card being frantically branded by the usual suspects...."

"ISIS spin-off or banderistas the sponsors remain the same. The clownish secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Oleksiy Danilov, was dumb enough to virtually, indirectly confirm they did it, saying on Ukrainian TV, "we will give them [Russians] this kind of fun more often." "

https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/its-war-the-real-meat-grinder-starts?post_id=142929331&r=fdolb

tequila4kapp said:

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This thread bleeds into an uncomfortable exercise in people sharing obscure social media posts confirming their preconceived beliefs. I guess that's been happening for a while. But when pieces can be put together to advance very out there consoiracy theories…

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It's the job of the media to expose the government, not to protect them. If they did their job, there would be no need to need to question the government. Now we're stuck with questioning both the government and media. One day, we won't be able to do either without repercussion. Thank God, Elon Musk bought Twitter.

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Could it be that Putin is looking for a reason for the Russians not to blame him for not keeping Russians safe from the ISIS terrorists? Instead, does it not seem a little too convenient for Putin to use this tragedy to not only rile the public up over Ukraine and USA instead of admitting that he got distracted with empire building and took his eyes of the ball? Let's just ignore that US shared their intelligence with Russia before the attack.

You know, Stanford was not honorable for refusing to play Cal in Rugby. You would have to be anti-Cal to always look at things that favor Stanford.

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It feels pretty early to draw any conclusions about the attack. You obviously can't take anything Putin or Russia takes at face value.

Based on what they are currently claiming (well, there are a number of conflicting claims, so you have to be generous in interpreting anything) this was a quite amateurish attempt by Ukrainian intel to massacre civilians and blame it on ISIS. We have seen amateurish actions by Ukraine, so it's plausible but this one seems particularly callous and dumb. Very unclear to me what Ukraine gains by killing a bunch of random people in Moscow. I mean, ffs, it didn't work out well for Hamas (which Russia was involved in of course).

Russia has done false flag attacks before - famously the 1999 apartment bombings he used to trigger the second chechen war. Putin hasn't changed so it's entirely possible that's what happened here. There are quite a few reasons to believe it could have happened - Russian support for the war is flagging, his re-election didn't go as well as he had hoped (ignoring the obviously fake voting that was reported), and he has to do a mobilization soon. Putin has been threatening an escalation for a while but didn't really have any good reason to do so and it's obvious he wants to absolutely devastate Ukraine since the whole make believe liberation angle has obviously outlived its usefulness. But if this was a false flag it was an absolutely amateurish one. I mean, it's certainly not one that makes Russia or Putin look good or strong. A few dudes walk into a concert hall, kill a bunch of people and walk away clean. And then hours later get picked up and tortured? That's not exactly going to have people singing Putin's praises.

Third option is that this is actually ISIS or some other group of religious extremists. Plenty of reason to be skeptical of this one as well. There have been some ISIS attacks on Russia lately so it's not something you can rule out, but this doesn't quite feel like normal Islamic terroristm.

I think the most striking comparison is probably the 10/7 Hamas attack on the music festival. Even down to credible intelligence warnings (the US even publicly warned US citizens that this could be happening).

Unfortunately given that Russia is a corrupt kleptocracy, we may never confidently know what really happened. Hopefully whoever is behind this, doesn't do it again. Either way, Russia will continue to wreck Ukraine and will probably continue to use this tragedy as motivation/inspiration/excuse to kill Ukrainian civilians and continue/escalate their devastation of Ukraine.

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tequila4kapp said:

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This thread bleeds into an uncomfortable exercise in people sharing obscure social media posts confirming their preconceived beliefs. I guess that's been happening for a while. But when pieces can be put together to advance very out there consoiracy theories…

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It's the job of the media to expose the government, not to protect them. If they did their job, there would be no need to need to question the government. Now we're stuck with questioning both the government and media. One day, we won't be able to do either without repercussion. Thank God, Elon Musk bought Twitter.

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Even after Musk cancelling contracts based on speech and suing posters based on content he does not like, you still believe that he is still a champion for freedom of speech and freedom of press?

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calbear93 said:

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Even after Musk cancelling contracts based on speech and suing posters based on content he does not like that he is still is champion for freedom of speech and freedom of press?

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If you want to complain now about Twitter policies, there are two other threads here to join the conversation.

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I was responding to a post expressing gratitude that Musk bought Twitter. Maybe your comment would be more appropriate for the post I was responding to?

Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.

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Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.

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What do your other favorite media outlets currently report?

HOLY SHIT…

“Who is to benefit? This crime can only be a link, in a chain of attempts, by those who are at war with our country since 2014”.

Putin is referring the Obama State Dept/CIA who overthrew Ukraine (Nuland).

Putin is blaming the Deep State…pic.twitter.com/0gdTUashCX

— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) March 25, 2024

Putin says that "radical Islamists" carried out the attack, but "now we want to know who ordered it?". He claims this was "part of Kyiv regime's attack on Russia".

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Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.

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If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.

ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.

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The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.

I feel like a 1980s liberal. Warmongers like HRC, Obama, Bolton, and now Obama / Biden... Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, now Ukraine and Gaza... and Colonel Douglass McGregor says neocons in Trump's WH wanted to attack Iran four times. Absolute insanity.

The money explains boondoggles like the money-pit Widowmaker (Osprey). Over 50 service personnel died either during testing, or during missions.

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Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.

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If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.

ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.

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The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.

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Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.

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We have provided plenty of rational criticism of US foreign policy and leadership, here is a good capsule:



(video link broken by BI software due to its URL actually spelling a four-letter female body part! Here is the link to that same YT video through Twitter below)

The death of ideology | John Mearsheimer [Full Interview] https://t.co/NVgmwIcV2L via @YouTube

— Ray Martin (@raymartin48) January 31, 2024

Regardless of who is responsible for the Moscow attack, the Invasion of the Ukraine and the extent of the damage being done in Gaza will pretty much guarantee another 30+ years of terrorist attacks, including suicide bombings. A whole bunch of kids are growing up with payback hate.

Because both operations are generating psychotic hatred in the children that are observing their families being fed through a meat grinder, regardless of what explanation you want to serve up to them later in life that it was entirely justified. That's why.

Are there any other questions I can help you with?

Ukrainians put 8,000 cellphones connected to microphones on 6-foot poles around the country to detect incoming Russian drones. They detected 84/84 and shot down 80 of them with AA guns. Cost: $500ea

--- Gen James B Hecker, Commander US Air Forces, Europehttps://t.co/sisNvXdyxQ

— Chris Anderson (@chr1sa) March 25, 2024

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Because both operations are generating psychotic hatred in the children that are observing their families being fed through a meat grinder, regardless of what explanation you want to serve up to them later in life that it was entirely justified. That's why.

Are there any other questions I can help you with?

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Absent external influence, Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not driving ISIS to attack anybody. As GFR would call it, it is white folks killing white folks. Despite Hamas still hiding Israeli citizens captive, Israel, already an enemy to many Muslim terrorist groups, is losing support from westerners.

Time Magazine: "The latest Russian bombing round was devastating. At least 190 missiles and 140 shaheed drones struck across Ukraine in the last week, including at Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Lviv, Sumy, and other cities. Five were killed and 31 injured in initial estimates. Precise numbers are classified, but Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said that approximately 20 electricity stations and substations were hit, as well as underground gas storage facilities. Several power plants were destroyed. More than 20% of Ukraine's power generation capacity was knocked out, according to Ukrhydroenergo CEO, Igor Syrota."

Apparently the Biden Administration is worried about the blowback if energy prices rise in an election year. The Moscow attack changed that equation.

Politico: Draft-dodging plagues Ukraine as Kyiv faces acute soldier shortage

"Ukraine is perilously short not only of ammunition especially artillery shells and air defense missiles but also of soldiers to see off a Russian attack. The average age of Ukraine's frontline soldiers is 43 and evidence of draft-dodging is mounting."

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-faces-an-acute-manpower-shortage-with-young-men-dodging-the-draft/

ISIS is back.

Iran has gotten billions.

Joe Biden has helped usher in multiple wars and terrorist attacks.

Say a prayer that the millions of unvetted illegals coming into the US won’t launch an attack.

— Richard Grenell (@RichardGrenell) March 25, 2024

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Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.

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If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.

ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.

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The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.

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Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.

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We have provided plenty of rational criticism of US foreign policy and leadership, here is a good capsule:

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Not saying that US has not made great blunders in foreign policy, including Iraq without plans post war. Same with NATO, including bombing a sovereign nation over internal actions, even if we were disgusted by their ethnic cleansing toward Muslims.

But saying that US is the common enemy worse than ISIS cannot be aligned with denial that someone is not anti-American. That was the post I was responding to. And that type of statement makes an American like me disregard anything else that person may say on anything else.

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ISIS was a product of American policy, it coalesced in Iraq as a response to the US occupation of that country. This is not a value judgment on ISIS and the other headchoppers, they are the worst of the worst, but the fact that they came about through US policy has been clearly established.

ISIS today is located in areas of Syria occupied by the US and NATO allies (Turkey in the Idlib region).

I think the characterization of US policy being the more dangerous of the two today lies in the fact that ISIS has been largely dormant and defanged in the past few years, whereas the ongoing escalation in Ukraine is bringing us to the verge of a hot war with Russia.

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Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.

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If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.

ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.

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The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.

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Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.

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We have provided plenty of rational criticism of US foreign policy and leadership, here is a good capsule:

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Not saying that US has not made great blunders in foreign policy, including Iraq without plans post war. Same with NATO, including bombing a sovereign nation over internal actions, even if we were disgusted by their ethnic cleansing toward Muslims.

But saying that US is the common enemy worse than ISIS cannot be aligned with denial that someone is not anti-American. That was the post I was responding to. And that type of statement makes an American like me disregard anything else that person may say on anything else.

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ISIS was a product of American policy, it coalesced in Iraq as a response to the US occupation of that country. This is not a value judgment on ISIS and the other headchoppers, they are the worst of the worst, but the fact that they came about through US policy has been clearly established.

ISIS today is located in areas of Syria occupied by the US and NATO allies (Turkey in the Idlib region).

I think the characterization of US policy being the more dangerous of the two today lies in the fact that ISIS has been largely dormant and defanged in the past few years, whereas the ongoing escalation in Ukraine is bringing us to the verge of a hot war with Russia.

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US had nothing to do with defanging ISIS? If we had just put up walls and refused to participate in global efforts, ISIS would have died a natural death? I mean, I give Trump some credit for what he did with ISIS, but I guess he is just a globalist as well and should have just left it alone.

There is no proof that ISIS was a product of American policy. Sure, under the butterfly effect, anything could cause anything else. But ISIS would have come no matter what, because they believe that their religion should be forced on every one on earth by force. It wasn't a political rebellion against US incursion. That is why they attack even our enemies like Iran and Russia and even Taliban.

That is what I mean by trying to blame US for everything.

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Putin acknowledges the attack was the work of Islamic radicals and distinguishes radical Islam from regular Islam. Source: Breitbart.

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If there is an opening, this may be an opportunity for the rest of the world, including US, China and Russia, to collaborate on countering a common enemy.

ISIS has identified not only US and EU as enemies, but also Russia and China. We are vulnerable just as much as the Russians.

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The common enemy today among of the people of world is not ISIS but rather, the U.S. war machine itself.

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Clearly I was mistaken in thinking your rhetoric came off as anti-American. This really does read like a rational criticism of leadership similar to those criticizing Knowlton.

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We have provided plenty of rational criticism of US foreign policy and leadership, here is a good capsule:

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Not saying that US has not made great blunders in foreign policy, including Iraq without plans post war. Same with NATO, including bombing a sovereign nation over internal actions, even if we were disgusted by their ethnic cleansing toward Muslims.

But saying that US is the common enemy worse than ISIS cannot be aligned with denial that someone is not anti-American. That was the post I was responding to. And that type of statement makes an American like me disregard anything else that person may say on anything else.

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ISIS was a product of American policy, it coalesced in Iraq as a response to the US occupation of that country. This is not a value judgment on ISIS and the other headchoppers, they are the worst of the worst, but the fact that they came about through US policy has been clearly established.

ISIS today is located in areas of Syria occupied by the US and NATO allies (Turkey in the Idlib region).

I think the characterization of US policy being the more dangerous of the two today lies in the fact that ISIS has been largely dormant and defanged in the past few years, whereas the ongoing escalation in Ukraine is bringing us to the verge of a hot war with Russia.

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US had nothing to do with defanging ISIS? If we had just put up walls and refused to participate in global efforts, ISIS would have died a natural death? I mean, I give Trump some credit for what he did with ISIS, but I guess he is just a globalist as well and should have just left it alone.

There is no proof that ISIS was a product of American policy. Sure, under the butterfly effect, anything could cause anything else. But ISIS would have come no matter what, because they believe that their religion should be forced on every one on earth by force. It wasn't a political rebellion against US incursion. That is why they attack even our enemies like Iran and Russia and even Taliban.

That is what I mean by trying to blame US for everything.

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If we didn't invade Iraq (on fabricated WMD pretenses/info), ISIS would have never seen the day. ISIS was created and operated in Iraq and Syria following US regime change operations (code name Timber Sycamore in Syria). The Baath regimes in Iraq and Syria had crushed all fundamentalist religious opposition in their countries.

If you are going to say that the US is at fault for ISIS, then by the same token you'd have to say the Soviets were at fault for Nazi sympathizers in Ukraine.