The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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This is why Dumbocrats can never give up on the Ukraine war. They still think it's anybody's fault other than Hillary's that Trump got elected in 2016.



Meanwhile, the Dumbocrats hired Lizzo to ***** herself out for politics at the New York Fundraiser for More Genocide.



Who quit a day later

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Unit2Sucks said:

sycasey said:

The US government actively warned people in Moscow that a terror attack might be coming, in a very public way. If the CIA was really behind this then I cannot fathom why they would allow that to happen. You don't publicize your secret missions!
The firehose of falsehoods has always been internally inconsistent. The claims about this attack have been fueled by Russian disinformation from the very beginning. And while tankies will rage on about US meddling, they will never ever criticize Russia for anything it does whether it's attacking US democracy or bribing officials to spread Russian propaganda.


You continuously repeat the fantastical notion that any opinion that runs against the official narrative must be the result of a Russian operation.

This is how far gone you are...


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The real head-scratcher is how pervasive is this behavior if we're seeing it on a small low-traffic offtopic board for a college sports fan website.

The even smaller lower-traffic Furd board also has a 200+ page Ukraine off-topic thread. This is a very important topic that any person that is remotely aware of the world beyond first downs and slam dunks should investigate and discuss, so it's hardly surprising to see this theme also being covered with as much focus among other fan communities.

Note that on the Furd board, there is ZERO disagreement or dissent from the official version of the Ukraine war, yet another confirmation of the Cal cultural environment being more grounded and less narrow-minded than the one from across the Dumbarton bridge.

They actually still think that Ukraine is going to win the war over there in the Condy/McFaul Farm, you can go there and fit right into their information bubble.
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A Deep State smear of a benevolent regime or ….?

Watch 60 Minutes: New Havana Syndrome evidence revealed - Full show on CBS


https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/R6jJESuD7EcX5ptjkA3K6fImfQD0EW_F/
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bearister said:

A Deep State smear of a benevolent regime or ….?

Watch 60 Minutes: New Havana Syndrome evidence revealed - Full show on CBS

https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/R6jJESuD7EcX5ptjkA3K6fImfQD0EW_F/

"We're being attacked."
"By whom?"
"Russia."

What are the chances this is 100% bullshat?
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Into the grinder you go. Poor kids.
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I predicted your response with 100% certainty.
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bearister said:

I predicted your response with 100% certainty.
Was the response in the form of a question?
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Into the grinder you go. Poor kids.

And to the last Ukrainian husband.



The military recruitment commissar awarded wives who surrendered their husbands to the military!

On March 26, in Lozovaya, Kharkov region, the head of the local military registration and enlistment office presented awards to women who surrendered their husbands to the military recruitment.

According to the local military recruitment: "The wives could no longer continue to cover for the draft dodgers and began to demand that they go defend their country."

When their husbands refused, the wives called the military commissars. They decided to reward the women for their services to the military.

Modern Ukraine …
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Humm. Is the UN plan to resettle smaller, depleted Ukraine... with refugees and 'migrants' from Middle Eastern countries?

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bearister said:

A Deep State smear of a benevolent regime or ….?

Watch 60 Minutes: New Havana Syndrome evidence revealed - Full show on CBS


https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/R6jJESuD7EcX5ptjkA3K6fImfQD0EW_F/



https://media.tenor.com/uARaKFpSkaMAAAAC/anger-management-jack-nicholson.gif



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…and to show you how sophisticated the Deep State is, the government declines to acknowledge the truth of that 60 Minute segment. A brilliant reverse psychology maneuver.*

* Axios reported in March 2023 that a U.S. government intelligence review found that it was "very unlikely" that a foreign adversary like Russia, could be linked to Havana Syndrome.

Next we will learn that Biden, Putin and Kim Jong Un are tent mates at the annual Illuminati encampment, this year being held at the private forest behind Putin's Black Sea Palace.



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That 60 Minutes piece was scary!

https://www.cbsnews.com/60-minutes/

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Cal88 said:

bear2034 said:



Into the grinder you go. Poor kids.

And to the last Ukrainian husband.



The military recruitment commissar awarded wives who surrendered their husbands to the military!

On March 26, in Lozovaya, Kharkov region, the head of the local military registration and enlistment office presented awards to women who surrendered their husbands to the military recruitment.

According to the local military recruitment: "The wives could no longer continue to cover for the draft dodgers and began to demand that they go defend their country."

When their husbands refused, the wives called the military commissars. They decided to reward the women for their services to the military.

Modern Ukraine …
Why are you not demanding that the Russians feed, cloth and support these "innocent Ukrainian children" and the war widows? Where are the Russian aid trucks and UN agencies?

I'm sure you'll agree that the same standard you apply to Israel applies here. I must have missed your posts demanding Russian aid for the Ukrainians. Maybe you can point me to those?

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Incredible moment Russian convoy is destroyed on frontlines of Ukraine



https://mol.im/a/13262491
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BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

bear2034 said:



Into the grinder you go. Poor kids.

And to the last Ukrainian husband.



The military recruitment commissar awarded wives who surrendered their husbands to the military!

On March 26, in Lozovaya, Kharkov region, the head of the local military registration and enlistment office presented awards to women who surrendered their husbands to the military recruitment.

According to the local military recruitment: "The wives could no longer continue to cover for the draft dodgers and began to demand that they go defend their country."

When their husbands refused, the wives called the military commissars. They decided to reward the women for their services to the military.

Modern Ukraine …
Why are you not demanding that the Russians feed, cloth and support these "innocent Ukrainian children" and the war widows? Where are the Russian aid trucks and UN agencies?

I'm sure you'll agree that the same standard you apply to Israel applies here. I must have missed your posts demanding Russian aid for the Ukrainians. Maybe you can point me to those?


This entire premise is BS, no one is starving in the Donbas, the population there is supported by Russia.

The pensions that women over 55 and men over 60 receive in the Donbas, Mariupol and other regions recently annexed into Russia are now higher than what they used to receive from Ukraine, and those pensions have been cut by Kiev years ago.

There is no equivalency whatsoever between what Israel is doing in Gaza and what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. The Russians have been rebuilding housing, schools, hospitals in places like Mariupol, while the Israelis are going out of their way to destroy these facilities and starve the Gazans, in addition to bombing, targeting and executing civilians (doctors, patients, children).









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Candace Owens and Alex Jones bringing both sides together....
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Are we eventually going to have to merge this thread with the Israel-Palestine war thread or create a new official World War III thread?

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bearister said:

A Deep State smear of a benevolent regime or ….?

Watch 60 Minutes: New Havana Syndrome evidence revealed - Full show on CBS


https://www.cbs.com/shows/video/R6jJESuD7EcX5ptjkA3K6fImfQD0EW_F/

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bear2034 said:



Are we eventually going to have to merge this thread with the Israel-Palestine war thread or create a new official World War III thread?




But the Left really fears Orange Man's tweets. OK.
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Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

bear2034 said:



Into the grinder you go. Poor kids.

And to the last Ukrainian husband.



The military recruitment commissar awarded wives who surrendered their husbands to the military!

On March 26, in Lozovaya, Kharkov region, the head of the local military registration and enlistment office presented awards to women who surrendered their husbands to the military recruitment.

According to the local military recruitment: "The wives could no longer continue to cover for the draft dodgers and began to demand that they go defend their country."

When their husbands refused, the wives called the military commissars. They decided to reward the women for their services to the military.

Modern Ukraine …
Why are you not demanding that the Russians feed, cloth and support these "innocent Ukrainian children" and the war widows? Where are the Russian aid trucks and UN agencies?

I'm sure you'll agree that the same standard you apply to Israel applies here. I must have missed your posts demanding Russian aid for the Ukrainians. Maybe you can point me to those?


This entire premise is BS, no one is starving in the Donbas, the population there is supported by Russia.

The pensions that women over 55 and men over 60 receive in the Donbas, Mariupol and other regions recently annexed into Russia are now higher than what they used to receive from Ukraine, and those pensions have been cut by Kiev years ago.

There is no equivalency whatsoever between what Israel is doing in Gaza and what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. The Russians have been rebuilding housing, schools, hospitals in places like Mariupol, while the Israelis are going out of their way to destroy these facilities and starve the Gazans, in addition to bombing, targeting and executing civilians (doctors, patients, children).











Russian has killed or wounded at least 30,000 Ukrainian civilians. More than the civilians killed in Gaza Gaza.

Depending on who you believe, between 40,000 and 250,000 civilians were killed in Russia's Chechen war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism

Russia killed between 850,000 and 2,000,000 Afghan civilians and wounded 3,000,000 more

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War#:~:text=About%2015%2C000%20Soviet%20soldiers%20were,United%20States%20and%20Saudi%20Arabia.

Russian has blocked Ukrainian grain exports to mostly impoverished African countries. Seemingly racist - but unequivocally resulting in starvation. Why is Russia blocking essential food deliveries - thereby starving a population - and why isn't Russian sending aid to these African countries?

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/end-black-sea-grains-deal-promises-pain-africas-neediest-2023-07-17/#:~:text=MOGADISHU%2C%20July%2017%20(Reuters),inflation%2C%20climate%20shocks%20and%20conflict.

In Syria, Russia was responsible for 100,000s of deaths, including more than 25,0000 children. The UN directly accused Russia of targeting civilians - i.e., of committing war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Civilian_casualties_and_war_crimes

By your announced standards, all of this is/was clearly genocide. Why don't you denounce it as such?
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BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

bear2034 said:



Into the grinder you go. Poor kids.

And to the last Ukrainian husband.



The military recruitment commissar awarded wives who surrendered their husbands to the military!

On March 26, in Lozovaya, Kharkov region, the head of the local military registration and enlistment office presented awards to women who surrendered their husbands to the military recruitment.

According to the local military recruitment: "The wives could no longer continue to cover for the draft dodgers and began to demand that they go defend their country."

When their husbands refused, the wives called the military commissars. They decided to reward the women for their services to the military.

Modern Ukraine …
Why are you not demanding that the Russians feed, cloth and support these "innocent Ukrainian children" and the war widows? Where are the Russian aid trucks and UN agencies?

I'm sure you'll agree that the same standard you apply to Israel applies here. I must have missed your posts demanding Russian aid for the Ukrainians. Maybe you can point me to those?


This entire premise is BS, no one is starving in the Donbas, the population there is supported by Russia.

The pensions that women over 55 and men over 60 receive in the Donbas, Mariupol and other regions recently annexed into Russia are now higher than what they used to receive from Ukraine, and those pensions have been cut by Kiev years ago.

There is no equivalency whatsoever between what Israel is doing in Gaza and what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. The Russians have been rebuilding housing, schools, hospitals in places like Mariupol, while the Israelis are going out of their way to destroy these facilities and starve the Gazans, in addition to bombing, targeting and executing civilians (doctors, patients, children).











Russian has killed or wounded at least 30,000 Ukrainian civilians. More than the civilians killed in Gaza Gaza.

Depending on who you believe, between 40,000 and 250,000 civilians were killed in Russia's Chechen war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism

Russia killed between 850,000 and 2,000,000 Afghan civilians and wounded 3,000,000 more

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War#:~:text=About%2015%2C000%20Soviet%20soldiers%20were,United%20States%20and%20Saudi%20Arabia.

Russian has blocked Ukrainian grain exports to mostly impoverished African countries. Seemingly racist - but unequivocally resulting in starvation. Why is Russia blocking essential food deliveries - thereby starving a population - and why isn't Russian sending aid to these African countries?

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/end-black-sea-grains-deal-promises-pain-africas-neediest-2023-07-17/#:~:text=MOGADISHU%2C%20July%2017%20(Reuters),inflation%2C%20climate%20shocks%20and%20conflict.

In Syria, Russia was responsible for 100,000s of deaths, including more than 25,0000 children. The UN directly accused Russia of targeting civilians - i.e., of committing war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Civilian_casualties_and_war_crimes

By your announced standards, all of this is/was clearly genocide. Why don't you denounce it as such?

A lot of false information and strained whataboutism here.

For example, the notion that Russia is causing starvation in Africa by blocking Black Sea exports. First of all, almost all Ukrainian wheat has been shipped to European markets:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1333847/ukrainian-agricultural-exports-via-the-black-sea-by-country/

There is no comparison whatsoever between an army conducting a literal medieval food siege on millions of civilians and the Russians stopping Ukrainian grain shipping through the Black Sea, none whatsoever. This is also ridiculous because Ukrainian food exports can go through Poland by rail and canals on to the Baltic.

Russia went into Syria to fight ISIS and its jihadi allies, which have been funded by the US and NATO in a multibillion regime change operation codenamed Timber Sycamore. The narrative of Russia being responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths there is bunk. Without Russian intervention in Syria, millions of Christians and other minorities would have been ethnically cleansed from that country, as ISIS and its allies were about to take over Damascus before the Russians intervened. Russian intervention in Syria was a turning point that saw ISIS getting crushed by its air force.

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Russian has killed or wounded at least 30,000 Ukrainian civilians. More than the civilians killed in Gaza Gaza.

Russia has not deliberately targeted civilians in Ukraine. Wiki states 10k-16k total civilian deaths caused by Russia. assuming that is true, that figure represents about 2.5% of total killed by Russian armed force, which is a remarkably low percentage, almost unprecedented in modern warfare.

Israel by comparison has killed 2 to 3 times more civilians (your statement above is false!) and those deaths represent well over 90% of their kills, as they have been deliberately targeting civilians. That much is abundantly clear, as illustrated by the latest massacre in Al Shifa hospital where they have executed doctors and patients including children. Or in their targeting of 3 separate cars carrying western aid workers.


No comparison whatsoever.
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Business Insider: American sniper in Ukraine says he couldn't care less about expensive weapons like tanks. 'Give me artillery' and ammo, he says.

Sinad Baker Apr 1, 2024

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-veteran-in-ukraine-says-ammo-desperately-needed-not-tanks-2024-3
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Russian has killed or wounded at least 30,000 Ukrainian civilians. More than the civilians killed in Gaza Gaza.

Depending on who you believe, between 40,000 and 250,000 civilians were killed in Russia's Chechen war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism

Russia killed between 850,000 and 2,000,000 Afghan civilians and wounded 3,000,000 more

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War#:~:text=About%2015%2C000%20Soviet%20soldiers%20were,United%20States%20and%20Saudi%20Arabia.

Russian has blocked Ukrainian grain exports to mostly impoverished African countries. Seemingly racist - but unequivocally resulting in starvation. Why is Russia blocking essential food deliveries - thereby starving a population - and why isn't Russian sending aid to these African countries?

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/end-black-sea-grains-deal-promises-pain-africas-neediest-2023-07-17/#:~:text=MOGADISHU%2C%20July%2017%20(Reuters),inflation%2C%20climate%20shocks%20and%20conflict.

In Syria, Russia was responsible for 100,000s of deaths, including more than 25,0000 children. The UN directly accused Russia of targeting civilians - i.e., of committing war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Civilian_casualties_and_war_crimes

By your announced standards, all of this is/was clearly genocide. Why don't you denounce it as such?
I think you are understating in effect how many civilians have died/wounded in Ukraine. Ukraine mobilized civilians to fight its war. We have no idea what their actual losses are, but the vast majority of "military" casualties consist of people who were civilians. In Gaza, they are pretending that everyone is a civilian while in Ukraine they are claiming that everyone is military.
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Unit2Sucks said:

BearGoggles said:



Russian has killed or wounded at least 30,000 Ukrainian civilians. More than the civilians killed in Gaza Gaza.

Depending on who you believe, between 40,000 and 250,000 civilians were killed in Russia's Chechen war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism

Russia killed between 850,000 and 2,000,000 Afghan civilians and wounded 3,000,000 more

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War#:~:text=About%2015%2C000%20Soviet%20soldiers%20were,United%20States%20and%20Saudi%20Arabia.

Russian has blocked Ukrainian grain exports to mostly impoverished African countries. Seemingly racist - but unequivocally resulting in starvation. Why is Russia blocking essential food deliveries - thereby starving a population - and why isn't Russian sending aid to these African countries?

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/end-black-sea-grains-deal-promises-pain-africas-neediest-2023-07-17/#:~:text=MOGADISHU%2C%20July%2017%20(Reuters),inflation%2C%20climate%20shocks%20and%20conflict.

In Syria, Russia was responsible for 100,000s of deaths, including more than 25,0000 children. The UN directly accused Russia of targeting civilians - i.e., of committing war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Civilian_casualties_and_war_crimes

By your announced standards, all of this is/was clearly genocide. Why don't you denounce it as such?
I think you are understating in effect how many civilians have died/wounded in Ukraine. Ukraine mobilized civilians to fight its war. We have no idea what their actual losses are, but the vast majority of "military" casualties consist of people who were civilians. In Gaza, they are pretending that everyone is a civilian while in Ukraine they are claiming that everyone is military.


Yes, and the vast majority of military casualties were children at one point... Even by your standards, that is just ridiculous argumentation.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/

Ukraine is at great risk of its front lines collapsing
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Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

BearGoggles said:

Cal88 said:

bear2034 said:



Into the grinder you go. Poor kids.

And to the last Ukrainian husband.



The military recruitment commissar awarded wives who surrendered their husbands to the military!

On March 26, in Lozovaya, Kharkov region, the head of the local military registration and enlistment office presented awards to women who surrendered their husbands to the military recruitment.

According to the local military recruitment: "The wives could no longer continue to cover for the draft dodgers and began to demand that they go defend their country."

When their husbands refused, the wives called the military commissars. They decided to reward the women for their services to the military.

Modern Ukraine …
Why are you not demanding that the Russians feed, cloth and support these "innocent Ukrainian children" and the war widows? Where are the Russian aid trucks and UN agencies?

I'm sure you'll agree that the same standard you apply to Israel applies here. I must have missed your posts demanding Russian aid for the Ukrainians. Maybe you can point me to those?


This entire premise is BS, no one is starving in the Donbas, the population there is supported by Russia.

The pensions that women over 55 and men over 60 receive in the Donbas, Mariupol and other regions recently annexed into Russia are now higher than what they used to receive from Ukraine, and those pensions have been cut by Kiev years ago.

There is no equivalency whatsoever between what Israel is doing in Gaza and what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. The Russians have been rebuilding housing, schools, hospitals in places like Mariupol, while the Israelis are going out of their way to destroy these facilities and starve the Gazans, in addition to bombing, targeting and executing civilians (doctors, patients, children).











Russian has killed or wounded at least 30,000 Ukrainian civilians. More than the civilians killed in Gaza Gaza.

Depending on who you believe, between 40,000 and 250,000 civilians were killed in Russia's Chechen war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism

Russia killed between 850,000 and 2,000,000 Afghan civilians and wounded 3,000,000 more

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War#:~:text=About%2015%2C000%20Soviet%20soldiers%20were,United%20States%20and%20Saudi%20Arabia.

Russian has blocked Ukrainian grain exports to mostly impoverished African countries. Seemingly racist - but unequivocally resulting in starvation. Why is Russia blocking essential food deliveries - thereby starving a population - and why isn't Russian sending aid to these African countries?

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/end-black-sea-grains-deal-promises-pain-africas-neediest-2023-07-17/#:~:text=MOGADISHU%2C%20July%2017%20(Reuters),inflation%2C%20climate%20shocks%20and%20conflict.

In Syria, Russia was responsible for 100,000s of deaths, including more than 25,0000 children. The UN directly accused Russia of targeting civilians - i.e., of committing war crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Civilian_casualties_and_war_crimes

By your announced standards, all of this is/was clearly genocide. Why don't you denounce it as such?

A lot of false information and strained whataboutism here.

For example, the notion that Russia is causing starvation in Africa by blocking Black Sea exports. First of all, almost all Ukrainian wheat has been shipped to European markets:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1333847/ukrainian-agricultural-exports-via-the-black-sea-by-country/

There is no comparison whatsoever between an army conducting a literal medieval food siege on millions of civilians and the Russians stopping Ukrainian grain shipping through the Black Sea, none whatsoever. This is also ridiculous because Ukrainian food exports can go through Poland by rail and canals on to the Baltic.

Russia went into Syria to fight ISIS and its jihadi allies, which have been funded by the US and NATO in a multibillion regime change operation codenamed Timber Sycamore. The narrative of Russia being responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths there is bunk. Without Russian intervention in Syria, millions of Christians and other minorities would have been ethnically cleansed from that country, as ISIS and its allies were about to take over Damascus before the Russians intervened. Russian intervention in Syria was a turning point that saw ISIS getting crushed by its air force.

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Russian has killed or wounded at least 30,000 Ukrainian civilians. More than the civilians killed in Gaza Gaza.

Russia has not deliberately targeted civilians in Ukraine. Wiki states 10k-16k total civilian deaths caused by Russia. assuming that is true, that figure represents about 2.5% of total killed by Russian armed force, which is a remarkably low percentage, almost unprecedented in modern warfare.

Israel by comparison has killed 2 to 3 times more civilians (your statement above is false!) and those deaths represent well over 90% of their kills, as they have been deliberately targeting civilians. That much is abundantly clear, as illustrated by the latest massacre in Al Shifa hospital where they have executed doctors and patients including children. Or in their targeting of 3 separate cars carrying western aid workers.


No comparison whatsoever.
So when Russia conducts war on violent jihadists like ISIS with massive collateral damage, it is justified. But when Israel conducts war against jihadists like Hamas (or Hezbollah for that matter), with far less collateral damage, you are outraged.

And for the record, that is quite the revisionist history of Syria. The Baathist regime and Russia weren't just fighting ISIS or defending christians. Far from it.

Not even Hamas claims that 90% of Palestinian deaths were civilians. You are truly shameless.
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oski003 said:

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/

Ukraine is at great risk of its front lines collapsing


Why would Russia wait for an offensive until August? Wishful thinking? Colonel McGregor has stated when the ground is solid an offensive could start, possibly early June.
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Still think we're winning?
Escalation from proxy war to hot war all part of the plan?

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…..and at a catastrophic cost, regardless of how RT spins it.
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Zippergate said:

Still think we're winning?
Escalation from proxy war to hot war all part of the plan?


Always nice to get the opinion of a D.C. War Industry expert who said this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/09/edward-luttwak-machiavelli-of-maryland
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"You know, I never gave George W Bush enough credit for what he's done in the Middle East," Luttwak continued. "I failed to appreciate at the time that he was a strategic genius far beyond Bismarck. He ignited a religious war between Shi'ites and Sunnis that will occupy the region for the next 1,000 years. It was a pure stroke of brilliance!"
**** this neocon.
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Gradually, then suddenly.
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'Six Russian warplanes destroyed' in major Ukrainian drone strike



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bearister said:

'Six Russian warplanes destroyed' in major Ukrainian drone strike

https://mol.im/a/13275237


Two responses. First, this is obviously untrue. Russia put tires on top of its planes which eliminated the threat of Ukrainian strikes.

Second, this is a strategic win which makes Russia stronger. Putin has been looking to mothball some of his bombers so Ukraine unknowingly did him a favor.

Putin remains a strategic genius.
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