Cal88 said:

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Jeffrey Sachs on Global Threats: "The Only Threat to the United States is Nuclear War"https://t.co/v62Y54VHmD

— Dyor (@Powerfulmindx) November 21, 2024

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People said the same thing before WW2. Germany declared war on the U.S. So did Japan. Isolationism is just absolutely wrong.

So, that's what you wanted?
Well, you've damn well got it!

A hypersonic ballistic missile attack pic.twitter.com/lsKQHhMnif

— Dmitry Medvedev (@MedvedevRussiaE) November 21, 2024

Biden forgives almost 5B in loans given to Ukraine. This is bull*****

There is no way Ukraine is going to pay its war debt. Their currency and economy has only been propped by western capital, once the flow is reduced their currency is going to collapse. The reason the Hrivna is being propped is that Ukrainians would move to the Russian-held parts which will be functional, especially pensioners and retirees.

Blackrock and co. pushed for loans to Ukraine with the understanding that they would be repaid with Ukrainian arable land, minerals, mining rights and other assets. This is going to be a big problem politically speaking, as Ukrainians are not going to like having their assets stripped on top of a depleted male population and a destroyed economy.

They will try to appropriate seized Russian billions to remedy their situation, but the Russians will require a return of their assets as a basic condition for an end to the war, where they have had the upper hand and their advantage is only going to get wider.

So bottom line, we have to eat Ukrainian debt, it's the least we could do knowing that we have pushed Ukraine to fight a war they cannot win.

I hate "debt forgiveness". It's like the student-loan thing. What about the people that didn't take out loans? An easy compromise is to defer the debts over a long period, but don't forgive them.

The Ukrainian economy is going to collapse after Trump pulls support, allows Russia to take a bunch of territory, and the country is left as one constantly under threat of further Russian takeover. Foreign businesses won't want to invest time or resources there, under those conditions.

Big C said:

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I hate "debt forgiveness". It's like the student-loan thing. What about the people that didn't take out loans? An easy compromise is to defer the debts over a long period, but don't forgive them.

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It's our debt, we pushed for this war. Ukraine has already paid an exorbitant price for having been used to conduct this stupid war, 600,000-700,000 soldiers killed, more than a million injured, I think that's enough.

The compassionate Conservatives in this thread sure have a lot of pity for them poor Ukrainian lads forced to fight and die for their Homeland.

Even though they don't express it here, them being so compassionate and all, I assume they also silently cry for them Russkie boys gettin' meat grinded as foreign invaders…..and maybe a spare tear for them North Korean boys, so far from home, fightin' the good fight.

bearister said:

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The compassionate Conservatives in this thread sure have a lot of pity for them poor Ukrainian lads forced to fight and die for their Homeland.

Even though they don't express it here, them being so compassionate and all, I assume they also silently cry for them Russkie boys gettin' meat grinded as foreign invaders…..and maybe a spare tear for them North Korean boys, so far from home, fightin' the good fight.

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The Norks haven't been on the frontline to date, they are being trained in 21st century warfare 6-7 time zones away at the other end of Russia.

The Russians haven't been dying in large number, the stuff you read in the British press, like the recent blurb you've posted about 2,000 soldiers dying in a day is Orwell-grade propaganda. Mediazona has been reporting fewer than a 100 Russian KIA daily. There are significantly more people dying every day from gun violence in the US than Russian soldiers being killed in Ukraine, see the timeline chart here:

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

Most of the Ukrainians being drafted today don't want to go to the meat grinder, the war is starting to resemble late stage WW1, a bloody war of attrition where the outcome is no longer in doubt. We need to pull the plug on this.

And we're gonna pay to rebuild them, defend them, and more.