bearister said:

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You're not keeping up. You're falling further behind.

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*You have to chill out on your fear of nuclear annihilation. A fleet of these will be in your house conducting alien type full body cavity probes on you 24/7 for several months before shipping you off to the Soylent Green manufacturing plant way before an atomic explosion takes you out:

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You're not keeping up here, we're lobbing missiles deep into Russia, "we" being US, French and British weapons specialists, and ISR analysts mapping targets and programming flight paths.

This constitutes a major escalation, the Russians have stated that their response will be to use advanced weaponry to take out targets involved in these attacks on a broader level.

This is highly escalatory on two levels:

1- they are using balistic/MIRV-type missiles, that are typically nuclear, but even if configured "conventionally" pack a huge amount of concentrated, targeted firepower. This is the first time such a weapon has ever been used.

2- they have said they would hit targets inside NATO countries that have enabled strikes deep into Russia.



We're kind of at interesting stage right now, where people are pitting their TDS against their PDS:

Sebastian Gorka, Trump’s nominee for Director of National Security Policy, calls Putin a “murderous, former KGB colonel” and a “thug”.

He then claims that Trump plans to end the Ukraine by threatening to flood Ukraine with more military “aid”. pic.twitter.com/6I6h4DbINq

— Ben Swann (@BenSwann_) November 25, 2024

This guy makes Bolton look like a sane monk...

When they tell you what it was about, why don't you believe them?

https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/can-trump-do-a-deal-with-putin?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Lindsey Graham spills the beans on Fox:

"Ukraine's still standing. This war's about money. People don't talk much about it, but do you know the richest country in all of Europe for rare earth minerals is Ukraine? Two to seven trillion dollars worth of rare earth minerals that are very relevant to the 21st century! Ukraine's ready to do a deal with us, not the Russians, so it's in our interest to make sure Russia doesn't take over the place. It's the bread basket, really, of the developing world--50% of the food going to Africa comes outta Ukraine! We can make money and have an economic relationship with Ukraine to be very beneficial to us with peace. So Donald Trump's going to do a deal to get our money back, to enrich ourselves with rare minerals--a good deal for Ukraine and us--and he's gonna bring peace. And Biden's been a disaster when it comes to containing bad guys.

Zippergate said:

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When they tell you what it was about, why don't you believe them?

https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/can-trump-do-a-deal-with-putin?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Lindsey Graham spills the beans on Fox:

"Ukraine's still standing. This war's about money. People don't talk much about it, but do you know the richest country in all of Europe for rare earth minerals is Ukraine? Two to seven trillion dollars worth of rare earth minerals that are very relevant to the 21st century! Ukraine's ready to do a deal with us, not the Russians, so it's in our interest to make sure Russia doesn't take over the place. It's the bread basket, really, of the developing world--50% of the food going to Africa comes outta Ukraine! We can make money and have an economic relationship with Ukraine to be very beneficial to us with peace. So Donald Trump's going to do a deal to get our money back, to enrich ourselves with rare minerals--a good deal for Ukraine and us--and he's gonna bring peace. And Biden's been a disaster when it comes to containing bad guys.

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Yes, Russia's war was also about money.

Cut Blackrock out, rebuild Ukraine, and repay USA? Brilliant.

sycasey said:

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Zippergate said:

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When they tell you what it was about, why don't you believe them?

https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/can-trump-do-a-deal-with-putin?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Lindsey Graham spills the beans on Fox:

"Ukraine's still standing. This war's about money. People don't talk much about it, but do you know the richest country in all of Europe for rare earth minerals is Ukraine? Two to seven trillion dollars worth of rare earth minerals that are very relevant to the 21st century! Ukraine's ready to do a deal with us, not the Russians, so it's in our interest to make sure Russia doesn't take over the place. It's the bread basket, really, of the developing world--50% of the food going to Africa comes outta Ukraine! We can make money and have an economic relationship with Ukraine to be very beneficial to us with peace. So Donald Trump's going to do a deal to get our money back, to enrich ourselves with rare minerals--a good deal for Ukraine and us--and he's gonna bring peace. And Biden's been a disaster when it comes to containing bad guys.

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Yes, Russia's war was also about money.

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Main motivations from the Russian side:

-security/not having a hostile regime on their border - local version of the Monroe Doctrine
-landlocked geography/access to warm water port (Crimea controls the northern half of the Black Sea)
-Russians outside of Russia - see Odessa May 2014.

As far as "money", this gives you some perspective:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-top-10-countries-by-value-of-all-their-natural-resources

Ukraine is the appetizer here, Russia is the main course.

bearister said:

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Zippergate said:

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Um, you do realize they were not equipped with explosives of any kind, right?

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Did not. One of the topics that I often just read the headlines. I made an assumption. Got burned. Thanks for your publicly extended helping hand, which I assume (there I go again) was a gesture motivated solely by kindness.*

*Wouldn't have arming them been more of a baller World War III move, or he reserving ordinance so he doesn't have to Persian purchase again?

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Perhaps they reserved ordinance to make sure the world knows, if US missiles continue to strike into their border, that they aren't the ones escalating. Regardless, the western media narrative will spin what happens so that Russia will be perceived as creating the escalation.

Well, that depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If you are trying to demonstrate that you possess a weapon system that can hit targets from thousands of miles away and cannot be defended against, then maybe the "attack" was successful. Here's one person's take. Who knows whether it is accurate or not but given what we know about the claimed capabilities of the new missile system, it might be.

So far, almost nobody in the west fully comprehends the Oreshnik weapon system just demonstrated by Russia. Hat tip to Ted Postol, Scott Ritter and Brian Berletic, the only 3 people I've found so far who fully understand this. I've done the math on the kinetic energy of the…

— HealthRanger (@HealthRanger) November 26, 2024

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"….that they aren't the ones escalating."

So an invader of a sovereign nation gets to play the "We're not the ones escalating" card? Waltz said Fox News the missiles were a counter move to using NK regulars.

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The Russians haven't used Norks in Ukraine, no evidence of that yet. This was just an excuse to escalate.

Ukraine lost its sovereignty over the Russian parts in the east and south the moment it made that ethno-linguistic minority second class citizens. If Canada restricts the use of French in Quebec, that province would instantly secede, no ifs ands or buts. Same in Belgium/Flanders, Spain/Catalunya, Basque etc.

We had no problem redrawing Yugoslavia/Serbia's borders following an intense NATO bombing campaign on that country, or carving out South Sudan, Iraqi Kurdistan and "Rojava" in Syria today, and are still occupying Syria and Iraq against the wishes of local governments and the great majority of people from those countries. And those countries are halfway around the world from us, not next door like Ukraine is from Russia.

WAR: Biden ordered attack on Iranian forces in Syria. The effort to start WWIII is underway. pic.twitter.com/yo5RIj6Agc

— @amuse (@amuse) November 26, 2024

bearister said:

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"….that they aren't the ones escalating."

So an invader of a sovereign nation gets to play the "We're not the ones escalating" card? Waltz said Fox News the missiles were a counter move to Russia using NK regulars.

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Haven't you been listening? Nothing is ever Russia's fault.

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movielover said:

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Is Gorka playing bad cop to Trump's good cop?

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Gorka should stay in his lane.

Gorka has labeled Tucker a traitor https://t.co/q8TsEomTyb

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 6, 2024

Alex Jones was right about Gorka pic.twitter.com/MJFZS6aV2L

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 6, 2024

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McLovin, lolol.

Ugh. As they say, a definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I thought Trump was going to solve the war in Ukraine? Already losing faith?

The Biden regime is purposefully trying to start WWIII.

movielover said:

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The Biden regime is purposefully trying to start WWIII.

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That would be on Putin for invading a sovereign nation.

What about Putin's track record would make you buy his list of bullsh@it reasons justifying the invasion?

The List Is Long: Russians Who Have Died After Running Afoul Of The Kremlin


https://www.rferl.org/a/enemies-kremlin-deaths-prigozhin-list/32562583.html


https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/banality-putin-s-evil

Partial list:

1. Bush promised Gorby he wouldn't go one inch easterward when the USSR ended
2. Violation of Minsk I
3. Violation of Minsk II
4. Decades arming Ukraine to battle Russia
5. Defensive organization NATO bombing Serbia
6. Removing a duly elected Ukranian president (CIA)
7. CIA contributing to the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine
8. CIA running 12 'secret' bases on the Russian border
9. Allegations of dozens of biolabs in Ukraine
10. Refusal to negotiate with Putin over decades
11. Refusal to negotiate with Putin before the SMO
12. When Zelensky and Putin agreed to a peace deal early in 2022 in Istanbul, we sent Boris Johnson there to nix it
13. Merkel and French leaders - who led Minsk - publicly admitted it was all a ruse to build up Ukraine militarily
14. Lloyd Austin publicly said "we want to weaken Russia"

To slaughter more young men in an unwinnable war.

movielover said:

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To slaughter more young men in an unwinnable war.

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It is within Putin's power to end that tomorrow. I feel more sorry for the Russian and North Korean lads getting killed and maimed because they don't even have any skin in the game. They are just following orders, much like our soldiers in Vietnam that took their last breath on foreign soil.

EXPLAINER: Why Did Russia Invade Ukraine?


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine