🇺🇸🇺🇦Prolong the war vs. End the war
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 13, 2025
The diplomatic tectonic shift by the USA pic.twitter.com/jeogGkuCdV
European leaders also want to come to the negotiating table on Ukraine pic.twitter.com/5epikr5vvX
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 13, 2025
AunBear89 said:
Well, it is Lord Bebo - spoon feeding Russian propaganda and alt right culture war nonsense to the undereducated Right Wing social media masses.
A WAR OF LIES
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 17, 2024
The war in Ukraine is based on lies — lies about how it started, how it’s going, and how it will end.
We are told that Ukraine is winning when in fact it is losing. We are told that the war makes NATO stronger when in fact it is depleting it. We are told that…
AunBear89 said:
So we're supposed to believe. . . Putin? Nobody? Everybody?
movielover said:
Do you think Putin will establish cities in Eastern Ukraine (western Russia); or just a no man's land, military outposts, and mineral extraction?
movielover said:
I imagine also a formidable fortification area between the two countries (to be defined).
Russiagate created a climate in which US officials were afraid to talk to Russians because every time they did, the Adam Schiffs and FBI partisans would imply they committed a crime.
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 12, 2025
It's madness for the US and Russian leaders not to speak and it's great Trump and Putin did: https://t.co/ekjKgopWYa
movielover said:
A leader vs posers.
movielover said:
Detractors will see what they want.
Normal people see it for what it is.
He allowed Musk to play a prominent role in a recent WH DOGE presser w his son, and the neurotic radical Libs lost their minds. "Oh, President Musk."
The Musk pressie was a combination of performance art and trolling. It disrespected the Office of the Presidency and it shamed and humiliated our nation on the world stage. Musk does not have the psychological makeup to properly handle the power he wields…..and this is the assessment of a much more expansive segment of the world population than "radical Libs." As General McChrystal said, men like Trump (and Musk) are not legitimized, and do not become acceptable leaders just because they accomplish certain things that we might like.
bearister said:movielover said:
A leader vs posers.
"What I would ask every American to do is ... stand in front of that mirror and say, 'What are we about? Am I really willing to throw away or ignore some of the things that people do that are are pretty unacceptable normally just because they accomplish certain other things that we might like?'" McChrystal said about Trump supporters.
Cal88 said:bearister said:movielover said:
A leader vs posers.
"What I would ask every American to do is ... stand in front of that mirror and say, 'What are we about? Am I really willing to throw away or ignore some of the things that people do that are are pretty unacceptable normally just because they accomplish certain other things that we might like?'" McChrystal said about Trump supporters.
What McChrystal is about is 4 star generals feeding off the through of the MIC, the largest. most opaque self-serving bureaucracy in the history of mankind. in a revolving door culture.
bearister said:Cal88 said:bearister said:movielover said:
A leader vs posers.
"What I would ask every American to do is ... stand in front of that mirror and say, 'What are we about? Am I really willing to throw away or ignore some of the things that people do that are are pretty unacceptable normally just because they accomplish certain other things that we might like?'" McChrystal said about Trump supporters.
What McChrystal is about is 4 star generals feeding off the through of the MIC, the largest. most opaque self-serving bureaucracy in the history of mankind. in a revolving door culture.
Every successful society needs a competent Warrior Class. He lives his life by a Code of Honor, unlike anyone who has ever remained in good standing in Trump's orbit.
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Last fall, with his top general (McChrystal) calling for more troops, Obama launched a three-month review to re-evaluate the strategy in Afghanistan. "I found that time painful," McChrystal tells me in one of several lengthy interviews. "I was selling an unsellable position." For the general, it was a crash course in Beltway politics a battle that pitted him against experienced Washington insiders like Vice President Biden, who argued that a prolonged counterinsurgency campaign in Afghanistan would plunge America into a military quagmire without weakening international terrorist networks. "The entire COIN strategy is a fraud perpetuated on the American people," says Douglas Macgregor, a retired colonel and leading critic of counterinsurgency who attended West Point with McChrystal. "The idea that we are going to spend a trillion dollars to reshape the culture of the Islamic world is utter nonsense.
Haloski said:
I love how some peeps chime in on this thread "MIC BAD" (which it is) but don't have the spine (permission?) to say anything negative about Putin and his cronies who benefit similarly from the system they've created in Russia. It's precious.
bearister said:
I'll take McChrystal and you can have MacGregor, Tulsi, cash and a 1st Round Draft pick.
Yeah, this is always the thing that bugs me. I do not object to a peace process! In fact, at this point it seems to me that the war has reached its "quagmire" phase and both sides should probably find a way to draw down rather than wasting further resources.Haloski said:
I love how some peeps chime in on this thread "MIC BAD" (which it is) but don't have the spine (permission?) to say anything negative about Putin and his cronies who benefit similarly from the system they've created in Russia. It's precious.
Pete Hegseth, Defense Secretary, just announced in Brussels at a press conference that the U.S. isn't prepared to face Russia, particularly at sea. He claims it would take over seven years to build the necessary ships. What the actual fuck is he doing, broadcasting our…
— P a u l â—‰ (@SkylineReport) February 13, 2025
BREAKING: @SecDef walks back his statement yesterday that a negotiated settlement is not likely to end with Ukraine in @NATO: "These negotiations are led by @realDonaldTrump. Everything is on the table. In his conversations with Vladimir Putin and Zelensky, what he decides to…
— Nick Schifrin (@nickschifrin) February 13, 2025
Did the Vietnam Protestors protest China and the Viet Cong's roles in the Vietnam war?sycasey said:Yeah, this is always the thing that bugs me. I do not object to a peace process! In fact, at this point it seems to me that the war has reached its "quagmire" phase and both sides should probably find a way to draw down rather than wasting further resources.Haloski said:
I love how some peeps chime in on this thread "MIC BAD" (which it is) but don't have the spine (permission?) to say anything negative about Putin and his cronies who benefit similarly from the system they've created in Russia. It's precious.
I do, however, object to arguments that seek to cast all blame on America and/or "the west" while minimizing all responsibility that Russia bears for starting this war. First off, it's not really true. Secondly, it's a terrible position from which to begin any kind of negotiation. I think we're starting to find that out right now with Pete Hegseth's stupid comments (that he was forced to walk back).Pete Hegseth, Defense Secretary, just announced in Brussels at a press conference that the U.S. isn't prepared to face Russia, particularly at sea. He claims it would take over seven years to build the necessary ships. What the actual fuck is he doing, broadcasting our…
— P a u l â—‰ (@SkylineReport) February 13, 2025BREAKING: @SecDef walks back his statement yesterday that a negotiated settlement is not likely to end with Ukraine in @NATO: "These negotiations are led by @realDonaldTrump. Everything is on the table. In his conversations with Vladimir Putin and Zelensky, what he decides to…
— Nick Schifrin (@nickschifrin) February 13, 2025
Same basic question with education. We spend more per student than anyone else but are consistently ranked @40th. Hmmm.Cal88 said:How does Russia manage to outproduce all of NATO plus S. Korea and Japan by orders of magnitude with less that 1/10th of their combined military budgets??Haloski said:
I love how some peeps chime in on this thread "MIC BAD" (which it is) but don't have the spine (permission?) to say anything negative about Putin and his cronies who benefit similarly from the system they've created in Russia. It's precious.
Why is the development cost of the main modern Russian fighter program, the Su-57, 40 times lower than that of the F-35, with a better final product?
It's almost as if their MIC was efficiently run...
tequila4kapp said:Same basic question with education. We spend more per student than anyone else but are consistently ranked @40th. Hmmm.Cal88 said:How does Russia manage to outproduce all of NATO plus S. Korea and Japan by orders of magnitude with less that 1/10th of their combined military budgets??Haloski said:
I love how some peeps chime in on this thread "MIC BAD" (which it is) but don't have the spine (permission?) to say anything negative about Putin and his cronies who benefit similarly from the system they've created in Russia. It's precious.
Why is the development cost of the main modern Russian fighter program, the Su-57, 40 times lower than that of the F-35, with a better final product?
It's almost as if their MIC was efficiently run...
The difference, of course, is that we were literally fighting in Vietnam.oski003 said:Did the Vietnam Protestors protest China and the Viet Cong's roles in the Vietnam war?sycasey said:Yeah, this is always the thing that bugs me. I do not object to a peace process! In fact, at this point it seems to me that the war has reached its "quagmire" phase and both sides should probably find a way to draw down rather than wasting further resources.Haloski said:
I love how some peeps chime in on this thread "MIC BAD" (which it is) but don't have the spine (permission?) to say anything negative about Putin and his cronies who benefit similarly from the system they've created in Russia. It's precious.
I do, however, object to arguments that seek to cast all blame on America and/or "the west" while minimizing all responsibility that Russia bears for starting this war. First off, it's not really true. Secondly, it's a terrible position from which to begin any kind of negotiation. I think we're starting to find that out right now with Pete Hegseth's stupid comments (that he was forced to walk back).Pete Hegseth, Defense Secretary, just announced in Brussels at a press conference that the U.S. isn't prepared to face Russia, particularly at sea. He claims it would take over seven years to build the necessary ships. What the actual fuck is he doing, broadcasting our…
— P a u l â—‰ (@SkylineReport) February 13, 2025BREAKING: @SecDef walks back his statement yesterday that a negotiated settlement is not likely to end with Ukraine in @NATO: "These negotiations are led by @realDonaldTrump. Everything is on the table. In his conversations with Vladimir Putin and Zelensky, what he decides to…
— Nick Schifrin (@nickschifrin) February 13, 2025
NOT REALLY ...
They protested America's role in the war. This is generally what American citizens do. We criticize our policy. e criticize the billions of dollars we have sent to Ukraine. Attacking this criticism as some sort of acceptance of Russia as the good guy is an insincere attack. We can reject both sides' role in the war but focus our protest on where our tax money goes.
