The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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In reply to Cal88 • 11:31a, 8/3/25
Recall in the beginning of this SMO, when young men were taped to street light standards, and sometimes stripped half naked?

Was that AZOV and similiar orgs? What was their purpose?
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11:34a, 8/3/25
Let Ukraine deal with their own internal issues on their own, Russia doesn't need to invade them.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:20p, 8/3/25
sycasey said:
Let Ukraine deal with their own internal issues on their own, Russia doesn't need to invade them.


Ukraine's internal issues started being more of an issue for Russia when literal nazis (meaning far right paramilitary groups sporting actual nazi WW2 insignias) attacked Russian minorities, going as far as burning alive over 50 Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Odessa (May 2014),taking over the government with the assistance of the US and NATO, bombing civilians in the Donbas, etc.

When the post-Maidan Ukrainian president states in a speech how "Donbas children will grow up cowering in shelters", he is talking about bombing Donbas civilians into submission, and a near certain confrontation with Russia, which was what NATO intended for Ukraine all along, to use it as a battering ram against Russia,



These radicals took over the Ukraine government, suppressed all opposition media and purged local governments and built the most powerful land army in Europe

When (NATO) invades Yugoslavia and redrew its map, creating client states like Kosovo, Macedonia that never existed before, it is for the good of these people, but the borders of the Soviet Republic of Ukraine set for Ukraine by Lenin and Khrouchtchev, those borders are sacred.



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In reply to movielover • 1:44p, 8/3/25
movielover said:
Recall in the beginning of this SMO, when young men were taped to street light standards, and sometimes stripped half naked?

Was that AZOV and similiar orgs? What was their purpose?


Russian speakers, people who voice opposition at the war in cities where Russians are a minority.



There's been less of that above, and more of this below though, as the people stripped naked and tied to the pole is not very good PR for the freedom-loving Zelensky regime.



Once again addressing SyCaseys point above, this whole thing ceases to be an internal matter of Ukraine when we
(1) fund that war effort, which would stop the moment we pull the plug and
(2) actively disrupt the political peace process with Russia, from Minsk, to Istanbul, to the more recent attempts at an Istanbul Plus -type of peace treaty.





This above is what "Slava Ukraini" people are still defending, 1 million plus dead Ukrainian soldiers into this massacre. The majority of Ukrainians want this war to stop, their government to settle with Russia, but they have no say in this, the thugs in Kiev are in charge.
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In reply to Cal88 • 5:34p, 8/3/25
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Let Ukraine deal with their own internal issues on their own, Russia doesn't need to invade them.


Ukraine's internal issues started being more of an issue for Russia when literal nazis (meaning far right paramilitary groups sporting actual nazi WW2 insignias) attacked Russian minorities, going as far as burning alive over 50 Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Odessa (May 2014),taking over the government with the assistance of the US and NATO, bombing civilians in the Donbas, etc.

Didn't take place within Russia's borders. Not worth an invasion.

Not sure why you are arguing in favor of invasion when Russia does it, but not when the US or Israel does it.
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In reply to sycasey • 6:48p, 8/3/25
It happened to Russian populations living outside the borders set by the USSR bureaucrats.



If the war goes on for another year or two, Russia will annex most of the yellow parts above.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:00p, 8/3/25
Cal88 said:
It happened to Russian populations living outside the borders set by the USSR bureaucrats.



If the war goes on for another year or two, Russia will annex most of the yellow parts above.

Yes, and you will continue cheering on this war of conquest.
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1:56a, 8/4/25
Escalation in Odessa.



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In reply to sycasey • 4:42a, 8/4/25
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
It happened to Russian populations living outside the borders set by the USSR bureaucrats.



If the war goes on for another year or two, Russia will annex most of the yellow parts above.

Yes, and you will continue cheering on this war of conquest.


No one is cheering for this war, and your party, NATO, is the one that has pushed for it in the first place, and is extending it, rejecting every settlement to date.

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Once again addressing SyCaseys point above, this whole thing ceases to be an internal matter of Ukraine when we
(1) fund that war effort, which would stop the moment we pull the plug and
(2) actively disrupt the political peace process with Russia, from Minsk, to Istanbul, to the more recent attempts at an Istanbul Plus -type of peace treaty.

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In reply to Cal88 • 7:43a, 8/4/25
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
It happened to Russian populations living outside the borders set by the USSR bureaucrats.



If the war goes on for another year or two, Russia will annex most of the yellow parts above.

Yes, and you will continue cheering on this war of conquest.


No one is cheering for this war, and your party, NATO, is the one that has pushed for it in the first place, and is extending it, rejecting every settlement to date.

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Once again addressing SyCaseys point above, this whole thing ceases to be an internal matter of Ukraine when we
(1) fund that war effort, which would stop the moment we pull the plug and
(2) actively disrupt the political peace process with Russia, from Minsk, to Istanbul, to the more recent attempts at an Istanbul Plus -type of peace treaty.


I have a crazy notion that the country that invaded is the one that mostly pushed for a war.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:58a, 8/4/25
It's not crazy, just short-sighted.
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:10a, 8/4/25
When did we stop the Istanbul Plus talks?

Would you say the UK and USA are the primary drivers of the NATO war thirst? Brussels? Israel?

Mearsheimer says bc the West can't accept peace, this is gonna drag on, eventually an armistice will be reached.
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:18a, 8/4/25
Cal88 said:
It's not crazy, just short-sighted.

Or accurate.
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In reply to sycasey • 11:20a, 8/4/25
Not quite.

Who broke the Minsk Agreements, and publicly acknowledged that they never intended to abide by them? Answer: the heads of state of Ukraine, France, Germany among others.

Who scuttled the Istanbul peace initiative, which would have stopped the war 2 months into it? Answer: Boris Johnson and radical nationalists in the Kiev govt.

I'll stop there.
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:34a, 8/4/25
Cal88 said:
Not quite.

Who broke the Minsk Agreements, and publicly acknowledged that they never intended to abide by them? Answer: the heads of state of Ukraine, France, Germany among others.

Who scuttled the Istanbul peace initiative, which would have stopped the war 2 months into it? Answer: Boris Johnson and radical nationalists in the Kiev govt.

I'll stop there.

Russia could also, you know, just not attack.
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In reply to sycasey • 11:38a, 8/4/25
Let's just ignore the facts above, because, we know, that the Russians are an evil, irrational people and Putin is a bloodthirsty dictator. That's where this line of thinking is, reheated Cold War mindset, facts like those quoted above don't matter, zero analysis. Putin is a bad hombre!
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:48a, 8/4/25
Cal88 said:
Let's just ignore the facts above, because, we know, that the Russians are an evil, irrational people and Putin is a bloodthirsty dictator. That's where this line of thinking is, reheated Cold War mindset, facts like those quoted above don't matter, zero analysis. Putin is a bad hombre!

He attacked another country that wasn't attacking his. He is a bad hombre!

I haven't said anything about the Russian people, they don't really have a say in this.
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In reply to sycasey • 12:51p, 8/4/25
If you were POTUS, would you allow China to build up massive offensive military capabilities for over a decade outside Tijuana and Guadalajara? Oh, and also talk about how they want to 'weaken' the USA, while Asian companies plot to dismember and exploit Southern California and Arizona?

Asking for a friend.
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In reply to movielover • 1:06p, 8/4/25
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If you were POTUS, would you allow China to build up massive offensive military capabilities for over a decade outside Tijuana and Guadalajara? Oh, and also talk about how they want to 'weaken' the USA, while Asian companies plot to dismember and exploit Southern California and Arizona?

Asking for a friend.

I would do things to combat that besides starting all-out war.

I also would not have annexed part of China and then complained about them building up their military in response to that.
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In reply to sycasey • 1:09p, 8/4/25
How would you combat troops, machinery, weapons, radar installations, missiles, airplanes and airstrip based in Tijuana?
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In reply to movielover • 1:27p, 8/4/25
movielover said:
How would you combat troops, machinery, weapons, radar installations, missiles, airplanes and airstrip based in Tijuana?

Put my own military along that border as a deterrent and then leave them there. Fire if fired upon, not before.

Definitely wouldn't send a column of tanks to Mexico City.
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In reply to movielover • 1:47p, 8/4/25
movielover said:
How would you combat troops, machinery, weapons, radar installations, missiles, airplanes and airstrip based in Tijuana?


What is your source that there are Chinese troops in Tijuana?
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In reply to Anarchistbear • 2:44p, 8/4/25
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8:10p, 8/4/25
MacGregor claims now from his sources in Poland 1.8 million Ukrainians KIA, an equal number injured.

Ukraine now allows (needs) men over 60 to fight in the war.

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In reply to movielover • 11:14p, 8/4/25
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MacGregor claims now from his sources in Poland 1.8 million Ukrainians KIA, an equal number injured.

Ukraine now allows (needs) men over 60 to fight in the war.



I think that 1.8 million figure must include Ukrainian deserters, which according to a very recent revelation from a Ukrainian MP is over 400,000.





I'm not going to post the video and full tweet of Ukrainian troops killing deserters, just its caption:
" @XNews24_7 8:35 PM Jun 4, 2025
SHOCKING: Ukrainian soldiers execute their own in Pokrovsk! Russian scouts capture chilling footage of AFU deserters shot by their comrades. Two 68th Jaeger Brigade members force three to kneel before firing. One tried to flee but didn't make it. Ukraine's collapse nears? "



The Ukrainian army today is over 75% hastily trained conscripts. This explains the extent of their losses.






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In reply to Cal88 • 11:22p, 8/4/25
MacGregor also says in WWII Germany took the worse losses at the end, retreating / demoralized forces.
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In reply to movielover • 11:27p, 8/4/25
Hard to say when this war will end, but I doubt it goes longer than one year from now at this rate.
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In reply to sycasey • 11:30p, 8/4/25
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
Let's just ignore the facts above, because, we know, that the Russians are an evil, irrational people and Putin is a bloodthirsty dictator. That's where this line of thinking is, reheated Cold War mindset, facts like those quoted above don't matter, zero analysis. Putin is a bad hombre!

He attacked another country that wasn't attacking his. He is a bad hombre!

I haven't said anything about the Russian people, they don't really have a say in this.




Do you think the Ukrainian people have a say in this?

Russia attacked Ukraine to defend the ragtag Donbas rebels, who were about to be annihilated by a buildup of 60,000 well-armed Ukrainian troops. Putin swooped in on several fronts, then tried to force a Minsk Plus political settlement a few weeks later where he offered to withdraw from all conquered territories, Donbas included, in exchange for protection of Russian minorities and limits on Ukrainian army personnel.
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In reply to Cal88 • 9:01a, 8/5/25
Cal88 said:
sycasey said:
Cal88 said:
Let's just ignore the facts above, because, we know, that the Russians are an evil, irrational people and Putin is a bloodthirsty dictator. That's where this line of thinking is, reheated Cold War mindset, facts like those quoted above don't matter, zero analysis. Putin is a bad hombre!

He attacked another country that wasn't attacking his. He is a bad hombre!

I haven't said anything about the Russian people, they don't really have a say in this.




Do you think the Ukrainian people have a say in this?

Russia attacked Ukraine to defend the ragtag Donbas rebels, who were about to be annihilated by a buildup of 60,000 well-armed Ukrainian troops. Putin swooped in on several fronts, then tried to force a Minsk Plus political settlement a few weeks later where he offered to withdraw from all conquered territories, Donbas included, in exchange for protection of Russian minorities and limits on Ukrainian army personnel.

What you're describing here is Putin meddling in matters beyond his country's borders. Exactly the thing you constantly accuse the US and/or NATO of doing but when Putin does it it's justified. Why?
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In reply to sycasey • 10:17a, 8/6/25
In this case Ukraine is on Russia's large, open border, it's not like they are invading Peru or a country halfway around the world. Furthermore, the Donbas conflict involves ethnic Russians, pitted against the army of a nationalist government whose ideology is based on 1930s anti-Russian dogma, and considers hated figures like Bandera as their founding father.

I think our disagreements here as well stem from the fact that you tend to ignore the bigger geopolitical aspects of this war, dismissing altogether the analyses of experts like Mearsheimer or Sachs.
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10:24a, 8/6/25
Wife storms out barefoot on the street and saves hubby from 4 burly press gang members:

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In reply to Cal88 • 10:27a, 8/6/25
Cal88 said:
In this case Ukraine is on Russia's large, open border, it's not like they are invading Peru or a country halfway around the world. Furthermore, the Donbas conflict involves ethnic Russians, pitted against the army of a nationalist government whose ideology is based on 1930s anti-Russian dogma, and considers hated figures like Bandera as their founding father.

I think our disagreements here as well stem from the fact that you tend to ignore the bigger geopolitical aspects of this war, dismissing altogether the analyses of experts like Mearsheimer or Sachs.

I don't dismiss them altogether, but I think their takes and yours ignore a larger overriding truth: that even if there are problems in Ukraine and problems with anti-Russian bias in the West . . . Putin started the invasion. He did that thing, it was his choice, and none of that other stuff justifies him starting a bloody war. All arguments in his favor just fell to the side once he did that.

Now, if people want to make arguments that the US or someone else needed to more aggressively follow a peace process at some point during the war, then fine. I might not agree in the particulars, but it's a reasonable argument. The arguments that Russia needed to invade because Ukraine has Nazis or whatever? Nope, toss that in the bin. No thank you.
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In reply to Cal88 • 10:47a, 8/6/25
Listened to several podcasts last night driving. Russia allegedly advancing more quickly, in five or six spots. Russian forces vastly outnumber UKR, so spots go undefended. On top of that, UKR light on supplies, reinforcements, etc.

One guest claimed that for the first time, one of his sources, a Ukranian nationalist, was completely demoralized.

Hosts flabbergasted that the West hasn't changed its pro-war mindset in the face of complete defeat.

One podcast claimed that NATO / USA have run war game simulations vs Russia for years. NATO / the West quickly run out of conventional weapons, and then discussions start about using tactical nukes.
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In reply to sycasey • 10:54a, 8/6/25
Are you suggesting Minsk III, IV, and V?

All of the major European leaders have acknowledged it was a ruse to build up Ukraine to take on Russia. Why do you ignore this?

Lloyd Austin said we have to "weaken Russia".

Colonel MacGregor and others claim the Blackrocks of the world want to carve up Russia, and Big Ag wants in on Ukraine. Blackrock makes money destroying Ukraine, rebuilding it, rebuilding stockpiles, and financing it all. (Blackrock senior officials became senior officials in the Biden White House and staffing.)
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