Cal88 said:
Putin has been getting a lot of criticism at home for letting the war drag on. Ukraine has stepped up its drone game and compensating for its artillery and air force shortfalls.
sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.
Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
— munkdebate (@munkdebate) May 25, 2026
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Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
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sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
— munkdebate (@munkdebate) May 25, 2026
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Nuland made some good points here, thanks for sharing.
Supporting Ukraine. https://t.co/GhoUbwww8w
— Aleksander 🇵🇱🇷🇺 (@dhulqarnayn786) May 26, 2026
The New York Times whitewashes Nazi collaborator as "a Divisive 20th-Century Hero". pic.twitter.com/R5OWthaKLS
— Glenn Diesen (@Glenn_Diesen) May 26, 2026
Aunburdened said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
— munkdebate (@munkdebate) May 25, 2026
The full debate is available to stream on our website. pic.twitter.com/nFlSYE8xWf
Nuland made some good points here, thanks for sharing.Supporting Ukraine. https://t.co/GhoUbwww8w
— Aleksander 🇵🇱🇷🇺 (@dhulqarnayn786) May 26, 2026
sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
— munkdebate (@munkdebate) May 25, 2026
The full debate is available to stream on our website. pic.twitter.com/nFlSYE8xWf
Nuland made some good points here, thanks for sharing.Supporting Ukraine. https://t.co/GhoUbwww8w
— Aleksander 🇵🇱🇷🇺 (@dhulqarnayn786) May 26, 2026
I always know I can come to you for intelligent discourse.
Sam Seder DEFENDES his continued support to fund and arm NAZIS in Ukraine and jokes about using Ukrainians as expendable cannon fodder to destabilize Russia, agreeing that it’s “win-win” for NATO liberals
— Ed Gentry☀️🍊 (@SunnyMarmalaid) May 27, 2026
The Majority Report plays the role of “independent progressive media” to… https://t.co/L5ZbApCPy1 pic.twitter.com/bKUFpKj2Pr
sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
— munkdebate (@munkdebate) May 25, 2026
The full debate is available to stream on our website. pic.twitter.com/nFlSYE8xWf
Nuland made some good points here, thanks for sharing.Supporting Ukraine. https://t.co/GhoUbwww8w
— Aleksander 🇵🇱🇷🇺 (@dhulqarnayn786) May 26, 2026
I always know I can come to you for intelligent discourse.
sycasey said:
> I always know I can come to you for intelligent discourse.
Cal88 said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
— munkdebate (@munkdebate) May 25, 2026
The full debate is available to stream on our website. pic.twitter.com/nFlSYE8xWf
Nuland made some good points here, thanks for sharing.Supporting Ukraine. https://t.co/GhoUbwww8w
— Aleksander 🇵🇱🇷🇺 (@dhulqarnayn786) May 26, 2026
I always know I can come to you for intelligent discourse.
Your level of discourse is generally good, but on this topic it tends to be overly simplistic and largely based on gross generalization and cultural stereotypes rather than historical and geopolitical facts.
sycasey said:Cal88 said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
— munkdebate (@munkdebate) May 25, 2026
The full debate is available to stream on our website. pic.twitter.com/nFlSYE8xWf
Nuland made some good points here, thanks for sharing.Supporting Ukraine. https://t.co/GhoUbwww8w
— Aleksander 🇵🇱🇷🇺 (@dhulqarnayn786) May 26, 2026
I always know I can come to you for intelligent discourse.
Your level of discourse is generally good, but on this topic it tends to be overly simplistic and largely based on gross generalization and cultural stereotypes rather than historical and geopolitical facts.
No, it's about reminding everyone the basic truth of how this war started, one country invading another without being attacked first. You guys want to introduce all of these other historical factors and motivations and complications, which are certainly true enough (well, in most cases they are), but I will still continue pointing out that it still doesn't justify Putin invading another country and trying to conquer it. Why anyone thinks it does it beyond me.
There were "historical" reasons why Bush wanted to invade Iraq too, but that doesn't make it justified or a good idea.
I've said nothing about Russian "culture" one way or the other. I don't know why you keep trying to pin that on me. It's the actions of their government, full stop.
Cal88 said:
Country A invaded country B, Putin is a bad hombre - those are superficial takes that have led to over a million deaths in a war that eastern Europe did not need and could have easily avoided with proper leadership.
Before 2022 this quote was considered highly relevant and generally included in mainstream biographies. Now it’s as though this entire ‘would-be Hitler’ chapter of his life never existed. pic.twitter.com/sLWDx3y2Ag
— Wyatt Reed (@wyattreed13) May 27, 2026
Cal88 said:sycasey said:Cal88 said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:Aunburdened said:sycasey said:
Yeah, Russia shouldn't have started the war.Victoria Nuland clashes with John Mearsheimer over who bears responsibility for the Russia-Ukraine war.
— munkdebate (@munkdebate) May 25, 2026
The full debate is available to stream on our website. pic.twitter.com/nFlSYE8xWf
Nuland made some good points here, thanks for sharing.Supporting Ukraine. https://t.co/GhoUbwww8w
— Aleksander 🇵🇱🇷🇺 (@dhulqarnayn786) May 26, 2026
I always know I can come to you for intelligent discourse.
Your level of discourse is generally good, but on this topic it tends to be overly simplistic and largely based on gross generalization and cultural stereotypes rather than historical and geopolitical facts.
No, it's about reminding everyone the basic truth of how this war started, one country invading another without being attacked first. You guys want to introduce all of these other historical factors and motivations and complications, which are certainly true enough (well, in most cases they are), but I will still continue pointing out that it still doesn't justify Putin invading another country and trying to conquer it. Why anyone thinks it does it beyond me.
There were "historical" reasons why Bush wanted to invade Iraq too, but that doesn't make it justified or a good idea.
I've said nothing about Russian "culture" one way or the other. I don't know why you keep trying to pin that on me. It's the actions of their government, full stop.
You can't really make sense of the Donbas or Crimea without the very basic concept of Russian culture there, in opposition to the brand of 1930s Ukrainian nationalism that was armed, promoted with a regime change by NATO.
Country A invaded country B, Putin is a bad hombre - those are superficial takes that have led to over a million deaths in a war that eastern Europe did not need and could have easily avoided with proper leadership.
sycasey said:Cal88 said:
Country A invaded country B, Putin is a bad hombre - those are superficial takes that have led to over a million deaths in a war that eastern Europe did not need and could have easily avoided with proper leadership.
Me, I think that Putin invading Ukraine is what has led to all those deaths. Whatever other mistakes you think the US or NATO made, they didn't create that. Unless you think Putin and his government have none of their own agency and are just animals responding to stimuli.
It's not even about whether or not he's a "bad hombre." He still made the decision. It wasn't forced on him.
Cal88 said:sycasey said:movielover said:
The US and UK Demand a Long War: Fighting Russia with Ukrainians
"In late March 2022, Zelensky revealed in an interview with the Economist that "There are those in the West who don't mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives".[6]
"The Israeli and Turkish mediators confirmed that Ukraine and Russia were both eager to make a compromise to end the war before the US and the UK intervened to prevent peace from breaking out."
"Zelensky had contacted former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to mediate the peace negotiations with Moscow. Bennett noted that Putin was willing to make "huge concessions" if Ukraine would restore its neutrality to end NATO expansion. Zelensky accepted this condition and "both sides very much wanted a ceasefire". However, Bennett argued that the US and UK then intervened and "blocked" the peace agreement as they favoured a long war."— Glenn Diesen (@Glenn_Diesen) January 24, 2025
Includes 22 citations. ^^^
More opinion from former paid RT contributor Glenn Diesen. A lot of this hinges on how much you believe Putin's promises were real, which I do not.
Your stance is based on superficial takes that completely ignore the history and demography of Ukraine, and on a comic book take of Putin as the "bad hombre" a la 1939.
However, seasoned, smart foreign policy actors like Bill Clinton and Obama have stated that Putin has always kept his word:
THROWBACK: Bill Clinton on Vladimir Putin🇷🇺
— Going Underground (@GUnderground_TV) March 4, 2025
“He kept his word on all the deals we made.”
For much of his Presidency, Putin tried to forge a new relationship with the US and Europe, one built on trust, cooperation and mutual respect.
While Putin kept his word on deals, the US… pic.twitter.com/NKrLGVbvIm
Your stance also ignores the reality of this war, and these basic facts :
-Ukraine has already lost 1.5M KIAs and is still losing men at a very high rate
-Ukraine cannot possibly win this war of attrition
-The majority Russian territories that Russia has annexed don't want to be part of a Ukraine that wants to erase their culture
- The majority of soldiers in Ukraine are being forcibly conscripted, with ever increasing violence, they are now using guns against the families and neighbors of men being forcibly captured:
Footage of harsh mobilization in Kyiv.
— Marta Havryshko (@HavryshkoMarta) May 3, 2026
Police officers drew their weapons and pointed them at civilians who were trying to free a man being forcibly mobilized. pic.twitter.com/fkak3N927N
It is not in Ukraine's interest to continue fighting, Zelensky's alliance of oligarchs, war profiteers and ultranationalists do not represent the average Ukrainian.
The deal offered by the Russians, which boils down to freezing the borders, NATO out of Ukraine and basic rights to minorities inside Ukraine, is a reasonable one. The alternative being hundreds of thousands more Ukrainian KIAs and more territory annexed by Russia over the next 2 years, they will annex all of the remaining Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine.
Why don't you cover the story how Zelenski honored neo nazi Andriy Melnyk who killed 120k Polish farmers and nailed Jewish babies against wooden doors alive.
— ₢₹i₥₴o₦ (@Twiligtzone) May 30, 2026
Whilst collaborating with the Germans and the Russians...https://t.co/vj99Y88l3Q
You have no morals, no loyalty and no basic human decency. Your own great grandparents were killed in their village. Melnyk and his ilk actively collaborated and swore allegiance to the Nazis. They hunted and betrayed their Jewish, Polish and Ukrainian neighbours. Your…
— Anatomy of Truth 🇨🇦 (@e_l_g_c_a) May 25, 2026
Uwielbienie Zelenskiego dla mielnikizmu to nic nowego.
— coolfonpl 🇵🇱 (@coolfonpl) May 30, 2026
Tutaj: składa kwiaty na grobie Andrija Melnyka, oficera Strzelców Siczowych, przywódcy OUN-M, kolaboranta Hitlera. pic.twitter.com/DmwWXQqjSb
21 teenagers (mostly girls) killed, 60 wounded, in CIA guided drone attack by Ukraine military on a nursing school dormitory at 2AM while they were sleeping.
— Your Cambridge MA (@Our_Cambridge) May 26, 2026
Instead of ending, Russia's war has deepened.
Instead of growing weary, Russians are livid.#MEpolitics WBZ #NHpolitics https://t.co/uXzvf0kIAK pic.twitter.com/AdVSqw5EnF
This is upsetting 21 students were killed when Ukraine struck a college building and dormitory in the city of Starobilsk in the Russia-controlled part of the Luhansk Region! #RussiaUkraine pic.twitter.com/dDZpjgFc16
— Star Brief (@StarBrief) May 25, 2026
🚨 Zelensky’s longtime business partner Timur Mindich fled Ukraine to Israel on a private jet with 800kg of gold + millions in cash — just hours before NABU raided his home.https://t.co/YWAsdJHipd pic.twitter.com/rYkl5vxi73
— Syrian Girl (@Partisangirl) May 27, 2026
Prof. John Mearsheimer :
— Clash Report (@clashreport) June 2, 2026
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic… pic.twitter.com/iQmjeSgduo
Cal88 said:Prof. John Mearsheimer :
— Clash Report (@clashreport) June 2, 2026
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic… pic.twitter.com/iQmjeSgduo
Prof. John Mearsheimer :
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.
The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."
sycasey said:Cal88 said:Prof. John Mearsheimer :
— Clash Report (@clashreport) June 2, 2026
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic… pic.twitter.com/iQmjeSgduo
Prof. John Mearsheimer :
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.
The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."
I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.
I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!
sycasey said:Cal88 said:Prof. John Mearsheimer :
— Clash Report (@clashreport) June 2, 2026
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic… pic.twitter.com/iQmjeSgduo
Prof. John Mearsheimer :
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.
The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."
I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.
I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!
sycasey said:Cal88 said:Prof. John Mearsheimer :
— Clash Report (@clashreport) June 2, 2026
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic… pic.twitter.com/iQmjeSgduo
Prof. John Mearsheimer :
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.
The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."
I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.
I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!
movielover said:sycasey said:Cal88 said:Prof. John Mearsheimer :
— Clash Report (@clashreport) June 2, 2026
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic… pic.twitter.com/iQmjeSgduo
Prof. John Mearsheimer :
A number of European leaders have basically said we should fight to the last Ukrainian, which I find morally sickening.
The Ukrainians are going to lose this war. They should have quit a long time ago for their own good.
Ukraine is in a demographic death spiral, and we're encouraging them to throw bodies into the meat grinder when they're going to lose anyway.
The British, French, and German leaders are really enthusiastic about continuing the war, but that's because their people are not dying."
I'm pretty sure Russia is the aggressor and therefore only they can actually stop the war. This ask from Mearsheimer is basically telling Ukraine to just give up and let Russia take what they want.
I can't believe other European leaders wouldn't be interested in this approach!
Not really.