Supreme Court Votes 6 - 3 to Overturn Casey and Roe

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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

tequila4kapp said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:


I am surprised more of these doctors aren't taking a stand.

I personally would do whatever was medically ethical and let the courts sort it out.
Not when letting the court sort it out means the court deciding whether you go to prison.


That's always been one of the best ways to change anything in this country.

Getting hauled off to jail for civil disobedience is one thing. Looking at a murder rap is another.

tequila4kapp would note that in years or decades, SCOTUS will apply the rational basis standard. The fact that some women have to die or go to jail before then may be regrettable but should be ignored because reasons.
You are right that I have said this (and people with more knowledge of the law have said I was wrong so my opinion has evolved to the same concept but it happening at the ballot box instead of the courts). You are off-base in implying I think that is okay/good. I have commented in the thread that it is bad that some number of women will suffer or die until then.
Thank you for acknowledging that even if we eventually get to a reasonable place, the unreasonable transition period will cause irreparable harm for many people.


That's always been a dilemma. Does the Supreme Court step into the void created by the refusal of congress to do its job or does it limit itself knowing it will create societal harm.

There would be less debate about activist judges if legislators actually legislated.


I agree with you in theory but in practice this SCOTUS has not shied away from rejecting precedent and I wouldn't be surprised if they struck down a federal law guaranteeing pregnant people the right to terminate their pregnancies. Would you be surprised if that happened?

Reading about how heavily lobbied SCOTUS was and how closely the language in Alito's opinion seemed to match the language of lobbyists, makes me very skeptical that this is about judges carefully evaluating constitutional merits and that we're really just dealing with unelected legislators, the way that conservatives have always claimed the court has been when it comes to liberal decisions.

Excerpts from the article linked above:
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A former leader of the religious right contends that an effort he helped lead to influence conservative Supreme Court justices through prayer sessions, private dinners and other social events contributed to the stridency of the court's opinion last month striking down Roe v. Wade.

Rev. Rob Schenck said on a religion-focused podcast released last week that the behind-the-scenes lobbying effort led by his former group Faith and Action to encourage the conservative justices to "be bolder and far more assertive in their opinions" on social issues like abortion contributed to the sweeping nature of the five-justice majority's decision to roll back abortion rights.

"I can say with a certain level of certainty I don't think we would have gotten the decision as it is worded from Justice Alito without the work we did," Schenck said during an interview with another prominent Washington-area religious leader, Rabbi Jack Moline, on a podcast sponsored by the left-leaning Interfaith Alliance.

POLITICO reported earlier this month that the Supreme Court-focused campaign Schenck mounted, known as "Operation Higher Court," sought to use social interactions with a slew of religiously-conservative couples to coax justices to be more vocal about defending and promoting conservative religious views and values in their opinions.

The couples built relationships with the justices through dinners at private homes, vacation getaways and swanky restaurants and subtly offered suggestions that the justices were the nation's last line of defense against surging liberalism, said Schenck, who pointed to Justices Alito, Clarence Thomas and the late Antonin Scalia as the most frequent targets of Faith and Action's overtures.

"We coined a phrase that we called in those years the ministry of emboldenment. And what we meant by that was shoring up the sympathetic justices so that they would use stronger language," the ordained former Assemblies of God minister said in the podcast. "We were there to bolster their courage."
To me this is disgusting corruption. People talk about wanting to protect SCOTUS from protesters, but who is protecting us from undue influence? SCOTUS has become the most effective ROI on activist money and there is no stopping it now. Our constitution did not prepare us for this and I don't see the court self-policing any time soon.

To me there's a level of silliness in all of this and makes it ring hollow. Announcing you manipulated social engagements and took advantage of personal relationships strikes me as a great way to never have the social engagements and personal relationships ever again. Nobody likes to be used; most people like it even less when others brag about it publicly. And, of course, this guy has an interest in promoting himself as being influential.
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chazzed said:

An interesting read on the radical decisions handed down by this Supreme Court:
https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/legal-expert-lays-out-the-flaws-of-deeply-unprincipled-supreme-court-originalists/
Re the object of the linked article, I'll take lack of critical thinking for $100, Alex
calbear93
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

tequila4kapp said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:

dajo9 said:

dimitrig said:


I am surprised more of these doctors aren't taking a stand.

I personally would do whatever was medically ethical and let the courts sort it out.
Not when letting the court sort it out means the court deciding whether you go to prison.


That's always been one of the best ways to change anything in this country.

Getting hauled off to jail for civil disobedience is one thing. Looking at a murder rap is another.

tequila4kapp would note that in years or decades, SCOTUS will apply the rational basis standard. The fact that some women have to die or go to jail before then may be regrettable but should be ignored because reasons.
You are right that I have said this (and people with more knowledge of the law have said I was wrong so my opinion has evolved to the same concept but it happening at the ballot box instead of the courts). You are off-base in implying I think that is okay/good. I have commented in the thread that it is bad that some number of women will suffer or die until then.
Thank you for acknowledging that even if we eventually get to a reasonable place, the unreasonable transition period will cause irreparable harm for many people.


That's always been a dilemma. Does the Supreme Court step into the void created by the refusal of congress to do its job or does it limit itself knowing it will create societal harm.

There would be less debate about activist judges if legislators actually legislated.


I agree with you in theory but in practice this SCOTUS has not shied away from rejecting precedent and I wouldn't be surprised if they struck down a federal law guaranteeing pregnant people the right to terminate their pregnancies. Would you be surprised if that happened?

Reading about how heavily lobbied SCOTUS was and how closely the language in Alito's opinion seemed to match the language of lobbyists, makes me very skeptical that this is about judges carefully evaluating constitutional merits and that we're really just dealing with unelected legislators, the way that conservatives have always claimed the court has been when it comes to liberal decisions.

Excerpts from the article linked above:
Quote:

A former leader of the religious right contends that an effort he helped lead to influence conservative Supreme Court justices through prayer sessions, private dinners and other social events contributed to the stridency of the court's opinion last month striking down Roe v. Wade.

Rev. Rob Schenck said on a religion-focused podcast released last week that the behind-the-scenes lobbying effort led by his former group Faith and Action to encourage the conservative justices to "be bolder and far more assertive in their opinions" on social issues like abortion contributed to the sweeping nature of the five-justice majority's decision to roll back abortion rights.

"I can say with a certain level of certainty I don't think we would have gotten the decision as it is worded from Justice Alito without the work we did," Schenck said during an interview with another prominent Washington-area religious leader, Rabbi Jack Moline, on a podcast sponsored by the left-leaning Interfaith Alliance.

POLITICO reported earlier this month that the Supreme Court-focused campaign Schenck mounted, known as "Operation Higher Court," sought to use social interactions with a slew of religiously-conservative couples to coax justices to be more vocal about defending and promoting conservative religious views and values in their opinions.

The couples built relationships with the justices through dinners at private homes, vacation getaways and swanky restaurants and subtly offered suggestions that the justices were the nation's last line of defense against surging liberalism, said Schenck, who pointed to Justices Alito, Clarence Thomas and the late Antonin Scalia as the most frequent targets of Faith and Action's overtures.

"We coined a phrase that we called in those years the ministry of emboldenment. And what we meant by that was shoring up the sympathetic justices so that they would use stronger language," the ordained former Assemblies of God minister said in the podcast. "We were there to bolster their courage."
To me this is disgusting corruption. People talk about wanting to protect SCOTUS from protesters, but who is protecting us from undue influence? SCOTUS has become the most effective ROI on activist money and there is no stopping it now. Our constitution did not prepare us for this and I don't see the court self-policing any time soon.



I think you already know how I feel about Justices Thomas and Alito since I view them as political and activists. I don't like activist judges no matter the political leaning. However, I don't think I agree with the corruption angle. There is always social events liberal and conservative justices will attend but it isn't as if they are getting a free trip, promise of a cushy job or cash under the table. They are invited to attend events. Some are just highly Catholic, conservative individuals whose views impact the events that attract them and interest them. Same with the liberal judges. Unlike senators, they are not looking for contribution to their election fund, next job or payment for speaking.
They are allowed to get payments for speaking. There are other perks that don't show up on their personal financial disclosures like cushy jobs for their kids (see Kennedy and Scalia). Also who knows how much Ginny Thomas is doing to take advantage of her husband's position on the court. The reality is that they have a ton of power and are heavily lobbied/influenced by outside forces. And there is almost nothing that anyone else can do about it. People love to complain about unelected bureacrats but they have nothing on SCOTUS in terms of unaccountably wielding power in this country.

To me it's all very unseemly and I would like to see far more regulation around what they can and can't do.


This is surprising and I wonder if this would be applicable to liberal judges as well. It is surprising since jobs for kids, etc. would have been captured by something much less important like related party transactions disclosure if greater than $120k in a proxy statement for directors and executive officers but escapes for disclosure for Supreme Court justices. The whole point of lifetime appointments was to remove political influence so that loophole would be a miss.

Everyone knows the power Supreme Court yields. That is why they are "infallible." I still think administrative law in the US is still more dangerous. Until the recent WVA/EPA Supreme Court case that got very little attention, there was a lot of deference in scope granted by the courts to vague authority authorized by Congress to these agencies, including agencies most may not even know existed. As you know with SEC and FTC from your practice, they yield broad legislative and executive and sometimes judicial powers. Our lives are impacted often more by these agencies, including FDA and EPA, than congress, White House, etc. Scary amount of power they collectively yield in the shadows.
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BearForce2 said:




False Equivalency Alert!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

Great job, Republicans! Love the fetus, hate the child worked for you! I look forward to the next Republican controlled Congress eliminating WIC, CHIP, Head Start, and other social programs for poor families and their children.

Flaming hypocrites - every last one of you.

Great job, Democrats! Kill babies. If they survive, groom them
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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Easily the stupidest thing you have ever written. And that's saying a lot because everything you post is stupid.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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Tell us about all the pedos in the GOP now.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.


***? I may not think all teachers are great but they serve a much better function and add more value than most people. Like throwing the term racist all the time, throwing pedophile so easily is so ****ing stupid. We can disagree and still not get into my side evil and your side good stupid takes.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I flagged your post for misinformation. How can you say there's no evidence that teachers aren't sexually assaulting children and that pastors and priests are abusing them at a higher rate?

The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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BearForce2 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I flagged your post for misinformation. How can you say there's no evidence that teachers aren't sexually assaulting children and that pastors and priests are abusing them at a higher rate?


All I see is a paraphrased statement from some unnamed report. It's not even clear if it's the federal Dept. of Education or some state DOE. How can anyone verify that? It's just another of your unsubstantiated Twitter claims without any reference to source material. Given the past evidence of your social media bubble making up "alternate facts", I find it extremely unlikely that teachers have a higher rate of pedophile abuse than priests, let alone 100 times. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)
I try to flag posts only when they really step over the line, so I don't do it often. The last time I did, the thread got removed which pleased me. I also have decided not to make it public when I do it. However, this one offended me enough that I did flag it without hesitation and I'm angry enough to tell everyone I did flag it.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearForce2 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I flagged your post for misinformation. How can you say there's no evidence that teachers aren't sexually assaulting children and that pastors and priests are abusing them at a higher rate?


All I see is a paraphrased statement from some unnamed report. It's not even clear if it's the federal Dept. of Education or some state DOE. How can anyone verify that? It's just another of your unsubstantiated Twitter claims without any reference to source material. Given the past evidence of your social media bubble making up "alternate facts", I find it extremely unlikely that teachers have a higher rate of pedophile abuse than priests, let alone 100 times. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.

Chris Rufo is normally full of s***, so you are right to be skeptical.
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearForce2 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I flagged your post for misinformation. How can you say there's no evidence that teachers aren't sexually assaulting children and that pastors and priests are abusing them at a higher rate?


All I see is a paraphrased statement from some unnamed report. It's not even clear if it's the federal Dept. of Education or some state DOE. How can anyone verify that? It's just another of your unsubstantiated Twitter claims without any reference to source material. Given the past evidence of your social media bubble making up "alternate facts", I find it extremely unlikely that teachers have a higher rate of pedophile abuse than priests, let alone 100 times. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.

Chris Rufo is normally full of s***, so you are right to be skeptical.


Yeah, right, department of education commissioned a study comparing pedophilia among different professions. Right.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearForce2 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I flagged your post for misinformation. How can you say there's no evidence that teachers aren't sexually assaulting children and that pastors and priests are abusing them at a higher rate?


All I see is a paraphrased statement from some unnamed report. It's not even clear if it's the federal Dept. of Education or some state DOE. How can anyone verify that? It's just another of your unsubstantiated Twitter claims without any reference to source material. Given the past evidence of your social media bubble making up "alternate facts", I find it extremely unlikely that teachers have a higher rate of pedophile abuse than priests, let alone 100 times. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.

Eastern, I know you've never posted a link here to save your life but you demand others (me) to do so. Why are you so triggered by my original statement?

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I heart the hypocrites who star G4R's posts saying racists become cops and flag this post saying pedophiles become teachers. Keep up the good work.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)
I try to flag posts only when they really step over the line, so I don't do it often. The last time I did, the thread got removed which pleased me. I also have decided not to make it public when I do it. However, this one offended me enough that I did flag it without hesitation and I'm angry enough to tell everyone I did flag it.


I heart you.
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oski003 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I heart the hypocrites who star G4R's posts saying racists become cops and flag this post saying pedophiles become teachers. Keep up the good work.


I suspect you agree that both are toxic and unfair.
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oski003 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I heart the hypocrites who star G4R's posts saying racists become cops and flag this post saying pedophiles become teachers. Keep up the good work.

Maybe someone else has done that, but not me.
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sycasey said:

oski003 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I heart the hypocrites who star G4R's posts saying racists become cops and flag this post saying pedophiles become teachers. Keep up the good work.

Maybe someone else has done that, but not me.


Well, you certainly didn't speak up against G4R's comments, so you silently condoned it, per Usucksian logic.
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calbear93 said:

oski003 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I heart the hypocrites who star G4R's posts saying racists become cops and flag this post saying pedophiles become teachers. Keep up the good work.


I suspect you agree that both are toxic and unfair.

Yessir.
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearForce2 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I flagged your post for misinformation. How can you say there's no evidence that teachers aren't sexually assaulting children and that pastors and priests are abusing them at a higher rate?


All I see is a paraphrased statement from some unnamed report. It's not even clear if it's the federal Dept. of Education or some state DOE. How can anyone verify that? It's just another of your unsubstantiated Twitter claims without any reference to source material. Given the past evidence of your social media bubble making up "alternate facts", I find it extremely unlikely that teachers have a higher rate of pedophile abuse than priests, let alone 100 times. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.

Chris Rufo is normally full of s***, so you are right to be skeptical.


I think Chris Rufo has a lot of good things to say.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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oski003 said:

sycasey said:

oski003 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I heart the hypocrites who star G4R's posts saying racists become cops and flag this post saying pedophiles become teachers. Keep up the good work.

Maybe someone else has done that, but not me.


Well, you certainly didn't speak up against G4R's comments, so you silently condoned it, per Usucksian logic.

You can continue your pissing contest with Unit2 if you want. Leave me out of it.
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Only syphilitic morons use Tweets from Cris Ruffo as evidence. Don't be a moron. Post a link to the actual study if it exists.

Otherwise, shut your intolerant pie hole.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

Only syphilitic morons use Tweers from Cris Ruffo as evidence. Don't be a moron. Post a link to the actual study if it exists.

Otherwise, shut your intolerant pie hole.

How do we all get to be more tolerant like you?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
AunBear89
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BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Only syphilitic morons use Tweers from Cris Ruffo as evidence. Don't be a moron. Post a link to the actual study if it exists.

Otherwise, shut your intolerant pie hole.

How do we all get to be more tolerant like you?


Yes - I am very intolerant of your complete lack of tolerance.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Only syphilitic morons use Tweers from Cris Ruffo as evidence. Don't be a moron. Post a link to the actual study if it exists.

Otherwise, shut your intolerant pie hole.

How do we all get to be more tolerant like you?


Yes - I am very intolerant of your complete lack of tolerance.


I came across this tweet, maybe "pedo" is just a trigger word for the left? Who knew?
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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Maybe " high school education" is triggering for righties.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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BearForce2 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

BearForce2 said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

BearForce2 said:

Why do so many pedophiles take jobs as educators?
Because schools are where all their targets are.

Link or flagged.

Don't play dumb. By definition, schools are places with children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School


Wow. So you're saying teachers are pedos? I would like to see an actual link to a legitimate study or other statistics that back up your insinuation, rather than your dumb ass deflection about the definition of school.


I have a nephew, married with a young child, that teaches 3rd grade. I am deeply offended by the suggestion that he chose this career because he's a pedophile.

I flagged that post as soon as I saw it. Ridiculous and offensive assertion to make without evidence.

(As far as I know, the rate of child sexual abuse among schoolteachers is below what it is among pastors and priests. And that says nothing about kids who are abused by their own family members, by far the most common source. Should we also say that people only have kids so they can abuse them?)


I flagged your post for misinformation. How can you say there's no evidence that teachers aren't sexually assaulting children and that pastors and priests are abusing them at a higher rate?


All I see is a paraphrased statement from some unnamed report. It's not even clear if it's the federal Dept. of Education or some state DOE. How can anyone verify that? It's just another of your unsubstantiated Twitter claims without any reference to source material. Given the past evidence of your social media bubble making up "alternate facts", I find it extremely unlikely that teachers have a higher rate of pedophile abuse than priests, let alone 100 times. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.

Eastern, I know you've never posted a link here to save your life but you demand others (me) to do so. Why are you so triggered by my original statement?

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/
I posted a link yesterday.

As for your link, it vaguely referenced a report from another link. I had to peel back a few more links before finding a 2004 US Department of Education literature review (not the same as a report). I didn't read all 156 pages, but I doubt you did too. I did see this disclaimer of the Department of Education's reservations about the literature review:

It is important to note some of the Department's reservations about the findings in the literature
review. Specifically, the author focuses in large measure on a broad set of inappropriate behaviors
designated as "sexual misconduct," rather than "sexual abuse," which is the term used in the
statute. Specifically, section 5414(a)(3) of the ESEA requires the Secretary of Education to
conduct "[a] study regarding the prevalence of sexual abuse in schools. . . ." (emphasis added)
The distinction between "sexual misconduct" and "sexual abuse" is significant in legal and other
terms. However, both are of concern to parents and the Department.

The author's use of the two words interchangeably throughout the report is potentially confusing
to the reader. Federal law gives separate and specific meaning to the words "sexual abuse," and
such words should not be confused with the broader, more general concept of "sexual
misconduct."

While I didn't read it all of the literature review, I did skim through the entire thing and saw nowhere that compared abuse rates between teachers and other professions.

Oh, here's your **** link to the report that should have been provided by you instead of linking a third hand mention from a blogger.

As for being triggered, I wouldn't go that far, but I do take offense when someone casts aspersions upon my family members without knowing anything about them. If you're claiming that teachers are over 100 times more likely to be pedophiles than priests, then you're saying my nephew is more likely to be a pedophile than not. Either that or you're claiming that all (or at least most) of the accused pedophile priests are innocent.

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Systemic racism in the border patrol
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/legacy-racism-within-us-border-patrol

Systemic racism in policing
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61253151.amp
 
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