Of course not. The question is, how much of it is an actual crime vs just bad ethics. Democrats keep trying to conflate the two.oski003 said:
Are Trump and his team doing these actions because they truly believe the Democrats cheated, or are they knowingly committing this fraud?
I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Quote:
Former New York Court of Appeals Judge Solomon Wachtler once famously remarked that a prosecutor can get a grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich," which isn't too far from the truth.
It's not that she had "the backbone to not admit to a crime (she) didn't commit", it's that she had "the backbone to resist the pressure" of a conspiracy "to commit a crime on behalf of a sitting President."10% For The Big Guy said:Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
My ethical standards are way too high to be an attorney.OsoDorado said:It's not that she had "the backbone to not admit to a crime (she) didn't commit", it's that she had "the backbone to resist the pressure" of a conspiracy "to commit a crime on behalf of a sitting President."10% For The Big Guy said:Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Is it fair to assume you're not an attorney either?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!10% For The Big Guy said:My ethical standards are way too high to be an attorney.OsoDorado said:It's not that she had "the backbone to not admit to a crime (she) didn't commit", it's that she had "the backbone to resist the pressure" of a conspiracy "to commit a crime on behalf of a sitting President."10% For The Big Guy said:Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Is it fair to assume you're not an attorney either?
going4roses said:
"Donald Trump says he wants to "find the RIGGERS" who stole the election from him. Rigger, please!
Trump's choice of words is not an accident after spending days making racist attacks against Fani Willis, the Black woman leading the prosecution against him in Atlanta."
Fun fact.Eastern Oregon Bear said:BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!10% For The Big Guy said:My ethical standards are way too high to be an attorney.OsoDorado said:It's not that she had "the backbone to not admit to a crime (she) didn't commit", it's that she had "the backbone to resist the pressure" of a conspiracy "to commit a crime on behalf of a sitting President."10% For The Big Guy said:Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Is it fair to assume you're not an attorney either?
OsoDorado said:It's not that she had "the backbone to not admit to a crime (she) didn't commit", it's that she had "the backbone to resist the pressure" of a conspiracy "to commit a crime on behalf of a sitting President."10% For The Big Guy said:Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Is it fair to assume you're not an attorney either?
We are more trusted than journalists and labor union leaders? WE are moving up in the world!10% For The Big Guy said:Fun fact.Eastern Oregon Bear said:BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!10% For The Big Guy said:My ethical standards are way too high to be an attorney.OsoDorado said:It's not that she had "the backbone to not admit to a crime (she) didn't commit", it's that she had "the backbone to resist the pressure" of a conspiracy "to commit a crime on behalf of a sitting President."10% For The Big Guy said:Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Is it fair to assume you're not an attorney either?
On a board full of lawyers that cry about police misconduct, lawyers are far and away less trusted than police officers.
Also for lawyers who regularly quote Congressmen, they are the least trusted profession by far.
Technically, you're less mistrusted than journalists, not more trusted. I think it's much more than journalists have declined and rightly so.calbear93 said:We are more trusted than journalists and labor union leaders? WE are moving up in the world!10% For The Big Guy said:
Fun fact.
On a board full of lawyers that cry about police misconduct, lawyers are far and away less trusted than police officers.
Also for lawyers who regularly quote Congressmen, they are the least trusted profession by far.
Also, what is the deal with calling out just "High School" teachers? Elementary school teachers teaching gender identity to 2nd graders and telling parents they are terrorists aren't trusted? WTH?
Where does your profession fall in the trust ranking?
GoOskie said:
You should get psych treatment for your HOMES (Hillary Obsessive Masturbatory Erotica Syndrome).
Prominent Democrats -- including elected officials in Congress -- have claimed that every national election the Democrats have lost since 2000 (2000, 2004, 2016) was the by-product of fraud, theft, corruption and illegality.
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 16, 2023
Stacey Abrams still insists she won in 2018. https://t.co/ExlXvrBdlT
— Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) August 16, 2023
10% For The Big Guy said:Technically, you're less mistrusted than journalists, not more trusted. I think it's much more than journalists have declined and rightly so.calbear93 said:We are more trusted than journalists and labor union leaders? WE are moving up in the world!10% For The Big Guy said:
Fun fact.
On a board full of lawyers that cry about police misconduct, lawyers are far and away less trusted than police officers.
Also for lawyers who regularly quote Congressmen, they are the least trusted profession by far.
Also, what is the deal with calling out just "High School" teachers? Elementary school teachers teaching gender identity to 2nd graders and telling parents they are terrorists aren't trusted? WTH?
Where does your profession fall in the trust ranking?
High school teachers are up on the most trusted - they haven't been called out at all. Based on my experience, they should be that high. One of the more honorable professions (shout out Big C).
My profession appears to be too boring to be worth ranking. Don't worry though, limousine liberals - nothing you need be jealous of.
I just thought a guy who breaks the rules on a daily basis in BI claiming to have ethical standards was hilarious.calbear93 said:We are more trusted than journalists and labor union leaders? WE are moving up in the world!10% For The Big Guy said:Fun fact.Eastern Oregon Bear said:BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!10% For The Big Guy said:My ethical standards are way too high to be an attorney.OsoDorado said:It's not that she had "the backbone to not admit to a crime (she) didn't commit", it's that she had "the backbone to resist the pressure" of a conspiracy "to commit a crime on behalf of a sitting President."10% For The Big Guy said:Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Is it fair to assume you're not an attorney either?
On a board full of lawyers that cry about police misconduct, lawyers are far and away less trusted than police officers.
Also for lawyers who regularly quote Congressmen, they are the least trusted profession by far.
Also, what is the deal with calling out just "High School" teachers? Elementary school teachers teaching gender identity to 2nd graders and telling parents they are terrorists aren't trusted? WTH?
Where does your profession fall in the trust ranking, Yogi?
10% For The Big Guy said:Technically, you're less mistrusted than journalists, not more trusted. I think it's much more than journalists have declined and rightly so.calbear93 said:We are more trusted than journalists and labor union leaders? WE are moving up in the world!10% For The Big Guy said:
Fun fact.
On a board full of lawyers that cry about police misconduct, lawyers are far and away less trusted than police officers.
Also for lawyers who regularly quote Congressmen, they are the least trusted profession by far.
Also, what is the deal with calling out just "High School" teachers? Elementary school teachers teaching gender identity to 2nd graders and telling parents they are terrorists aren't trusted? WTH?
Where does your profession fall in the trust ranking?
High school teachers are up on the most trusted - they haven't been called out at all. Based on my experience, they should be that high. One of the more honorable professions (shout out Big C).
My profession appears to be too boring to be worth ranking. Don't worry though, limousine liberals - nothing you need be jealous of.
Big C said:10% For The Big Guy said:Technically, you're less mistrusted than journalists, not more trusted. I think it's much more than journalists have declined and rightly so.calbear93 said:We are more trusted than journalists and labor union leaders? WE are moving up in the world!10% For The Big Guy said:
Fun fact.
On a board full of lawyers that cry about police misconduct, lawyers are far and away less trusted than police officers.
Also for lawyers who regularly quote Congressmen, they are the least trusted profession by far.
Also, what is the deal with calling out just "High School" teachers? Elementary school teachers teaching gender identity to 2nd graders and telling parents they are terrorists aren't trusted? WTH?
Where does your profession fall in the trust ranking?
High school teachers are up on the most trusted - they haven't been called out at all. Based on my experience, they should be that high. One of the more honorable professions (shout out Big C).
My profession appears to be too boring to be worth ranking. Don't worry though, limousine liberals - nothing you need be jealous of.
A little appreciation here and there almost makes up for never having made as much as six figures in a single year ... but my new career of posting too much on Bear Insider pays even less.
Can I get onion rings instead of fries with that please?10% For The Big Guy said:
My profession appears to be too boring to be worth ranking. Don't worry though, limousine liberals - nothing you need be jealous of.
Not as hilarious as you thinking BearHunter and I are the same personEastern Oregon Bear said:I just thought a guy who breaks the rules on a daily basis in BI claiming to have ethical standards was hilarious.calbear93 said:We are more trusted than journalists and labor union leaders? WE are moving up in the world!10% For The Big Guy said:Fun fact.Eastern Oregon Bear said:BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!10% For The Big Guy said:My ethical standards are way too high to be an attorney.OsoDorado said:It's not that she had "the backbone to not admit to a crime (she) didn't commit", it's that she had "the backbone to resist the pressure" of a conspiracy "to commit a crime on behalf of a sitting President."10% For The Big Guy said:Wow, what backbone to not admit to a crime you didn't commit....Eastern Oregon Bear said:I have a lot of respect for Ruby Freeman.Unit2Sucks said:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the 98 page indictment, here's a high level summary of the factual claims.Quote:
THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT
This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:
Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted. This was all made up.
Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.
When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.
Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.
Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.
Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.
Is it fair to assume you're not an attorney either?
On a board full of lawyers that cry about police misconduct, lawyers are far and away less trusted than police officers.
Also for lawyers who regularly quote Congressmen, they are the least trusted profession by far.
Also, what is the deal with calling out just "High School" teachers? Elementary school teachers teaching gender identity to 2nd graders and telling parents they are terrorists aren't trusted? WTH?
Where does your profession fall in the trust ranking, Yogi?
Even if we accepted your premise that the GA charges against Trump were "purely political," we can count on The Donald to keep adding to the felony counts of witness tampering day by day, and week by week.BearHunter said:
hxxps://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1691140679727304704
Biden's Banana Republic
Fair point on Hillary -- she continued to blame her loss on the Russians, Comey, yada, yada.... anyone and everyone but herself, for running an extremely poor campaign.10% For The Big Guy said:hps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1691875560354439197GoOskie said:
You should get psych treatment for your HOMES (Hillary Obsessive Masturbatory Erotica Syndrome).
hps://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1691860597741154683
BREAKING: GA STATE REP.
— IG: RahiemShabazz (@rahiemshabazz) August 17, 2023
COLTON MOORE MOVES TO IMPEACH FULTON COUNTY DA FANNI WILLIS
via @theangiestanton pic.twitter.com/ZcqyorITN9
cbbass1 said:
Q: IF Obama (or Biden, or Harris) tried to STEAL AN ELECTION, or led a Conspiracy to STEAL AN ELECTION, would it be a crime? If so, what should the penalties be??
Guess who isn’t getting arrested, booked, fingerprinted, and having their mugshot taken in Atlanta on Thursday? This woman: pic.twitter.com/SKVVBNXybJ
— Andrew Wortman 🟧 (@AmoneyResists) August 22, 2023
Rudy Giuliani's mugshot — Fulton County Sheriff's Office. pic.twitter.com/fMWFnG4UwT
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) August 23, 2023
Mugshot of Eastman released pic.twitter.com/pGvGoyN4gI
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 23, 2023
Yes, but I still want The Defendant (in chief) to smile for his mugshot so I can appropriate it for my profile photo. I call first dibs IF The Defendant smiles ....bearister said:
Like a Manson Family smiling mugshot, I'm not sure Jenna Ellis understands the gravity of her situation:
