CaliforniaEternal said:
You antisemites are sick, deranged people. What next, you'll send mobs to every synagogue in the US for supporting Israel? That won't end well for you people.
A lot of the anti-semitic sentiment is probably just weaponized by the forces that are trying to achieve some political outcome.
You have a bunch of people who supported Putin's invasion of Ukraine who adopted this ridiculous notion that one of the justifications for the war was to de-nazify Ukraine. It was always a farcical notion and has been thoroughly debunked. The same people who used to pretend that now openly acknowledge the falsity openly by reference to statements making it quite clear it was meaningless and won't be a part of any resolution of the war.
Now those same people are forced to adopt an anti-semitic POV in order to support the Putin/Iran axis of evil in supporting Hamas in the war against Israel. For them anti-semitism (whether as accusations or not) is just a deus ex machina or macguffin to argue for whatever their true aim is.
Unfortunately, a lot of actual anti-semites get riled up by this sentiment and new impressionable people get swept up and become anti-semitic. There is no question that this war has increased the level of anti-semitism expressed in our country and world-wide. And to be fair the exact same thing happens with anti-islamists (which is also technically anti-semitism but no one uses the term that way any more because of all the inter anti-semitism between Jewish and non-Jewish semites).
So if you are arguing with a pro-Putin shill like 88, don't assume he believes anything he is saying. His MO for years has been to cherry-pick whatever he can to support a view that happens to be favorable to Putin. I've long since had him on ignore so I have no idea what he's actually saying about this conflict, but I would imagine it's entirely inconsistent with the views he pretends to hold about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and that he's completely strident and conclusory about it.
In case you weren't aware of his view on the Russian invasion, it was that Russia was forced to invade Ukraine because they mistreated Russian speakers, because they had a huge nazi problem and because they were a potential security threat to Russia. He talked about geopolitical "realism" and argued that Putin was within his rights to completely destroy Ukraine in order to increase Russia's perceived safety and that there was no counter-argument that mattered. Putin had red lines (don't be mean to Russian speakers or nice to NATO) and Ukraine crossed it or like could eventually be seen as crossing it. Because Russia could destroy Ukraine militarily, it was reasonable for them to do it. He excused every single war crime or instance of collateral damage against Ukraine as being the fault of Ukraine (and their Jewish PM who was really an anti-semite who supported nazis) and of course the US, for creating the conditions which forced Putin's hand. And besides, the US killed a lot of innocents too, so how can anyone criticize Putin? I've had him blocked for a while but if you want a good laugh go read the early months of the Ukraine war thread - you will see everything I'm saying is true.
If you were to apply his same arguments to the Hamas conflict, you would make an even stronger argument for Israel to level Gaza to ensure that no embers of Hamas or threat to Israel remain burning, collateral damage be damned. Anyone who truly believes in the self-serving "realism" concept would understand why Israel would be doing what they are doing. Anyone who ever pretended to believe in the notion of red lines would have to understand that slaughtering 1,000+ civilians, including a mass murder at a music festival, would cross any reasonable red line anyone could ever have. The problem is that not what Putin wants (support for Israel defending itself from a flagrant violation of its red line by a force that has no path to military victory), so I would imagine that Putin88 has been forced to disavow any notion of realism and is pretending to be some bleeding heart who cares about every single innocent Palestinian who is harmed by this war. Either way, I'll never find out because I know better than to go back to having to read and respond to his ridiculous cherry-picking in order to support Putin's narrative.
