The Non-Yogi Israel-Palestine war thread

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You are 100% aligned with Nazi beliefs. You buy into every single whacko conspiracy theory and think Jews are responsible for every evil in the world. It's sick and nothing will ever redeem you from your Nazi mind. You think the Iraqis needed any help to lynch Jews in the street and drive them all out for being disloyalty, as if the Iraqi Jews had anything to do with the war the Arabs launched against Israel?

You want to tell Israeli Christians that they need to be ruled over by a Taliban state? They will smack you senseless until you beg for mercy.
Nobody cares what Zionists want. They aren't Jews. You can either be Jewish or a Zionist but not both.

Hell only 2% of Israelis have levant DNA whereas 80%+ Palestinians have Levant DNA.

You are a vile braindead Jew hater. The land of Israel has been at the core of Judaism for over 3000 years and will continue to be so until the end of humanity's time. Anti-Zionists are trying to weaken and destroy the Jewish presence in the land of Israel all the while claiming they don't hate Jews. Yeah, sure. The state of Israel will be a great home for people of all faiths unlike every single one of its neighbors.

Meanwhile, you're going to establish the Ministry of DNA testing to determine who can live where? Will people of African, European, and Asian ancestry be repatriated from the US under your criteria? Are you really suggesting that people with certain DNA are less worthy to live somewhere than others? That's some straight up Nazi level garbage.


The irony here is that Israel does exactly this, they use DNA tests to screen immigrants for racial purity, the only country in the world that does this. It is an apartheid state that is literally based on racial supremacy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5034383/

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The Israeli State recently announced that it may begin to use genetic tests to determine whether potential immigrants are Jewish or not.

This article states that the government MIGHT begin to use genetic tests for immigrant screening. Is there one that actually shows they are?

The only articles I can find are about genetic testing for diseases and whatnot.


I think I know why you couldn't find much on this Israeli "law of return", you probably used Google, which actively manipulates search results that aren't very flattering for Israel...

Those are some of the top search results in Bing for "israeli citizenship DNA test" :

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DNA test for jewish ancestry

Modern technologies provide DNA testing not only for confirming paternity or identifying a predisposition to a number of diseases. Often people of different nationalities use them to confirm their origin. This issue is particularly acute among those who wish to repatriate to Israel. Citizens pass DNA test to determine jewish ancestry.
https://welcome-israel.com/jewish-genealogy/jewish-dna-test


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The Law of Returns is not a normative act that defines the rules for obtaining Israeli citizenship. It only establishes the circle of people entitled to repatriation to their historical homeland. The Israeli citizenship law of return lets you take a DNA test if you are not sure whether you have Jewish ancestors or not.

...If you are interested in more detailed information on how to obtain Israeli citizenship or want to know about the rules of repatriation, Israel law of return DNA test, please contact our citizenship specialists for advice.

https://welcome-israel.com/documents/law-of-return


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'Who is a Jew?' can now be answered by genetic testing

A new ruling in Jewish law permitting a specific genetic test to be used as proof of Jewish descent for certain Ashkenazi Jews is being promoted as a possible solution for potentially hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens from the former Soviet Union (FSU) having difficulty proving their Jewish status.

The ruling comes from Rabbi Yosef Carmel, who is both co-head of the Eretz Hemdah Institute for Advanced Jewish Studies and a senior rabbinical judge on the private Eretz Hemdah rabbinical court in south Jerusalem.

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/New-law-says-genetic-test-valid-for-determining-Jewish-status-in-some-cases-506584


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Israel Implements Strict Measures: DNA Ancestry Reveals Minimal Jewish Heritage
[url=https://medium.com/cnnn-com?source=post_page-----4a89925bd7a6--------------------------------][/url]
Sean Ra
In a move that has sparked controversy and raised questions about identity, Israel has implemented strict measures based on DNA ancestry tests that reveal minimal Jewish heritage. The aim of these measures is to ensure that there are no individuals with significant Jewish ancestry to claim citizenship and benefits under the Law of Return, which grants automatic citizenship to Jews worldwide. This development has left many individuals who have long identified themselves as Jewish, but do not have enough genetic evidence to…

https://medium.com/cnnn-com/israel-implements-strict-measures-dna-ancestry-reveals-minimal-jewish-heritage-4a89925bd7a6


Israel is an apartheid ethnostate that is in the process of conducting genocide:

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/06/23/the_antisemitism_of_the_left_151151.html
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Do you have actual news to share, or just this very slanted, highly partisan opinion piece?

Maybe you are just posting this instead of your own words because reasons.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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AunBear89 said:

Do you have actual news to share, or just this very slanted, highly partisan opinion piece?

Maybe you are just posting this instead of your own words because reasons.


He needs to work on just insults with no substance, am I right?
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No. I wanted to know why he felt it was important to share yet another opinion that any criticism of the actions of Israel and its military and security forces instantly makes one antisemitic.

It's really getting absurd, and reveals the overarching biases of the author, as well as the parrot.


You need to get over your obsession with everything I post. You will always come up short in your rubber and glue based debate tactics. Save your childish banter for the playground. If you are allowed near one.
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AunBear89 said:

No. I wanted to know why he felt it was important to share yet another opinion that any criticism of the actions of Israel and its military and security forces instantly makes one antisemitic.

It's really getting absurd, and reveals the overarching biases of the author, as well as the parrot.


You need to get over your obsession with everything I post. You will always come up short in your rubber and glue based debate tactics. Save your childish banter for the playground. If you are allowed near one.

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CaliforniaEternal
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These jihadist freaks have not only ruined the Middle East in all their countries but now they're intent on turning the US into a hellhole too.



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Wearing masks at terrorist rallies needs to be banned right away. It's KKK level bush league and it has no place in a normal society.
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CaliforniaEternal said:

These jihadist freaks have not only ruined the Middle East in all their countries but now they're intent on turning the US into a hellhole too.


I'm against Israel's war, but stuff like this is why I can't get behind the protest movement here. A synagogue in the US has nothing to do with the decisions of the Israeli military. The movement's messaging and tactics are terrible.
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sycasey said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

These jihadist freaks have not only ruined the Middle East in all their countries but now they're intent on turning the US into a hellhole too.


I'm against Israel's war, but stuff like this is why I can't get behind the protest movement here. A synagogue in the US has nothing to do with the decisions of the Israeli military. The movement's messaging and tactics are terrible.


People like this tweeter above or CaliEternal are just engaging in propaganda, trying to smear the anti-genocide protesters as antisemites. In fact that protest, and many others like it, is focused against events being held in those places of worship that directly support and enable the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, mainly zionist non-profit agencies that sell off stolen Palestinian property:


Canadian rabbi part of a protest outside a Toronto synagogue against the distribution to locals of Palestinian stolen land by sanctioned non-profit agencies:





These groups distribute Palestinian land and houses to zionists from LA, NY, Toronto, Paris etc that Israeli settlers expropriate from the natives.





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There is no genocide. If there was, no Palestinian would be alive in Gaza. If there was, Arabs would not live in Israel proper, nor would they own businesses and hold positions of political power.

Palestinian civilians have been killed. Those deaths are tragic. But those deaths are overwhelmingly incidental to Israel's valid war against Hamas and thanks entirely to Hamas' terrorists tactics.
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sycasey said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

These jihadist freaks have not only ruined the Middle East in all their countries but now they're intent on turning the US into a hellhole too.


I'm against Israel's war, but stuff like this is why I can't get behind the protest movement here. A synagogue in the US has nothing to do with the decisions of the Israeli military. The movement's messaging and tactics are terrible.

If you are against the war, do you think it's possible to have peace with Hamas in power?
CaliforniaEternal
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You are nothing but a vile liar who supports targeting synagogues while claiming that isn't antisemitism. Some nerve you got. There is simply no lie about Jews that you don't believe. Goebbels would be so proud of you.
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140 Days Til No Joe said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

You are nothing but a vile liar who supports targeting synagogues while claiming that isn't antisemitism. Some nerve you got. There is simply no lie about Jews that you don't believe. Goebbels would be so proud of you.




I doubt these land sales are centered around selling West bank and Gaza land. Isn't almost all the land already part of Israel? Is any of the property sold here actually lands that Israel recently seized, like your tweeters are implying?
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140 Days Til No Joe said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

You are nothing but a vile liar who supports targeting synagogues while claiming that isn't antisemitism. Some nerve you got. There is simply no lie about Jews that you don't believe. Goebbels would be so proud of you.



Pretty much. Evil and highly deceptive.
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oski003 said:

140 Days Til No Joe said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

You are nothing but a vile liar who supports targeting synagogues while claiming that isn't antisemitism. Some nerve you got. There is simply no lie about Jews that you don't believe. Goebbels would be so proud of you.




I doubt these land sales are centered around selling West bank and Gaza land. Isn't almost all the land already part of Israel? Is any of the property sold here actually lands that Israel recently seized, like your tweeters are implying?

Your answers from some of the protests organizers:




(Shul is Yiddish for synagogue)






Also, this - just like in the UCLA protests, violence from zionist counter-protestors with police standing by.



This is the process of Israeli land theft in a nutshell:

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McGregor - second half of this tape.

Claims that Israel used white phosphorus to wipe out a village in Lebanon. Israel previously used WP in Gaza in 2008?

https://www.youtube.com/live/H6odZYnQq68?si=gwspWZXS8lFIbgdy

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movielover said:

McGregor - second half of this tape.

Claims that Israel used white phosphorus to wipe out a village in Lebanon. Israel previously used WP in Gaza in 2008?

https://www.youtube.com/live/H6odZYnQq68?si=gwspWZXS8lFIbgdy


They've used it over Gaza in 2008, and have been using it extensively in both Gaza and Lebanon.



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It is rather humorous that the people so outraged about allegedly selling "Palestinian land" in synagogues are utterly unconcerned with the malevolent activities that we know occur in mosques.

If allegedly selling land makes a synagogue a legitimate target for violent protest, then advocating for shariah, teaching political islam, espousing anti-Zionism, open antisemitism. and storing weapons should justify anything and everything that has happened to mosques in the Middle East.

Of course, civilized/moral people in the US don't target places of worship with violent protests or in an attempt to disrupt worship. Unfortunately, we're not dealing with civilized people who respect other people's rights.
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After his comment last night on the stage, is it safe to assume that tRump Redux will green light Bibi's "cleansing" of Lebanon?

Jared Kushner has praised the "very valuable" potential of Gaza's "waterfront property," so it isn't much of a stretch to see an expansion of the tRump resort empire into some of those sweet beachfronts of Lebanon.


Nestled in the stunning coastal town of Batroun, Lebanon, Chalet at Aqualand Resort offers an array of world-class sports facilities.*


*….and for you p@ussies out there: Reconsider travel to Lebanon due to crime, terrorism, civil unrest, kidnapping, unexploded landmines** and armed conflict. Some areas, especially near the borders, have increased risk.
tRump-Bibi Ltd International will get this Travel Advisory scrubbed in no time.
**When Bill Brasky and I went on vacation, we selected vacation spots where we could play our favorite drinking game: find the unexplored land mine.
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Isn't this a war crime? Genocide? Torture?
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Bibi has been advised through back channels that after the election he is free to "cleanse" Lebanon for the price of a seaside tRump golf resort in Beirut, and that negotiation is now legal.
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Does President Trump... excite you?
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Why is it that academics are some of the worst ideological extremists? If all of the "studies" departments received funding based on actual enrollment, they would quickly be off to the bread lines.

Cal88
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If you had an ounce of empathy and humanity, you would have been ashamed of being associated with the senseless mass slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent natives and the forced starvation of millions.


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About a month ago, a french military expert estimated the number of deaths in Gaza from Israeli bombings and mass starvation to be over 100,000. A new study from the Lancet puts this number at 186,000 deaths.

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Not surprising that you regurgitate blood libels against Jews. This Lancet post was an opinion peace by some propagandists and it has nothing to do with actual reality.
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CaliforniaEternal said:

Not surprising that you regurgitate blood libels against Jews. This Lancet post was an opinion peace by some propagandists and it has nothing to do with actual reality.


Of course it doesn't, the Lancet publishes "opinion peaces [sic] by propagandists", and you, are a paragon of sanity and empathy.

Auschwitz was a death camp that was in operation for 4 1/2 years, where 230,000 prisoners were exterminated every year.

The ongoing Gaza mass slaughter is on pace to exceed that yearly tally.
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CaliforniaEternal said:

Grigsby said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

You are 100% aligned with Nazi beliefs. You buy into every single whacko conspiracy theory and think Jews are responsible for every evil in the world. It's sick and nothing will ever redeem you from your Nazi mind. You think the Iraqis needed any help to lynch Jews in the street and drive them all out for being disloyalty, as if the Iraqi Jews had anything to do with the war the Arabs launched against Israel?

You want to tell Israeli Christians that they need to be ruled over by a Taliban state? They will smack you senseless until you beg for mercy.
Nobody cares what Zionists want. They aren't Jews. You can either be Jewish or a Zionist but not both.

Hell only 2% of Israelis have levant DNA whereas 80%+ Palestinians have Levant DNA.

You are a vile braindead Jew hater. The land of Israel has been at the core of Judaism for over 3000 years and will continue to be so until the end of humanity's time. Anti-Zionists are trying to weaken and destroy the Jewish presence in the land of Israel all the while claiming they don't hate Jews. Yeah, sure. The state of Israel will be a great home for people of all faiths unlike every single one of its neighbors.

Meanwhile, you're going to establish the Ministry of DNA testing to determine who can live where? Will people of African, European, and Asian ancestry be repatriated from the US under your criteria? Are you really suggesting that people with certain DNA are less worthy to live somewhere than others? That's some straight up Nazi level garbage.


Ahh yes me the Jew a vile braindead Jew hater. It literally has not been at the center of Judaism for 3000 years. I'm anti-zionist because Israel is committing a genocide and has no right to exist.

The Zionists are the ones making it about white Israeli DNA when most of the people in Israel don't even have levant DNA.
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In any event, Jarvanka with their $2,000,000,000 deferred Saudi pay for play walkin' round money will be breaking ground on a Gaza Mediterranean beachfront, and tRump will be doing the same in Lebanon after he green lights Bibi's cleansing.*

*….and with the recent SCOTUS decision on POTUS immunity, tRump won't have to waste time with the delayed pay for play ruse. tRump, as POTUS, can pose with shovel and hard hat turning sand on the future site of tRump International Golf Resort, Beirut.

tRump Delayed Pay for Play Tower is in the works in Jeddah. How far behind is tRump Tower Moscow after the immunity decision?
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Grigsby said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

Grigsby said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

You are 100% aligned with Nazi beliefs. You buy into every single whacko conspiracy theory and think Jews are responsible for every evil in the world. It's sick and nothing will ever redeem you from your Nazi mind. You think the Iraqis needed any help to lynch Jews in the street and drive them all out for being disloyalty, as if the Iraqi Jews had anything to do with the war the Arabs launched against Israel?

You want to tell Israeli Christians that they need to be ruled over by a Taliban state? They will smack you senseless until you beg for mercy.
Nobody cares what Zionists want. They aren't Jews. You can either be Jewish or a Zionist but not both.

Hell only 2% of Israelis have levant DNA whereas 80%+ Palestinians have Levant DNA.

You are a vile braindead Jew hater. The land of Israel has been at the core of Judaism for over 3000 years and will continue to be so until the end of humanity's time. Anti-Zionists are trying to weaken and destroy the Jewish presence in the land of Israel all the while claiming they don't hate Jews. Yeah, sure. The state of Israel will be a great home for people of all faiths unlike every single one of its neighbors.

Meanwhile, you're going to establish the Ministry of DNA testing to determine who can live where? Will people of African, European, and Asian ancestry be repatriated from the US under your criteria? Are you really suggesting that people with certain DNA are less worthy to live somewhere than others? That's some straight up Nazi level garbage.


Ahh yes me the Jew a vile braindead Jew hater. It literally has not been at the center of Judaism for 3000 years. I'm anti-zionist because Israel is committing a genocide and has no right to exist.

The Zionists are the ones making it about white Israeli DNA when most of the people in Israel don't even have levant DNA.

You are brain dead because just a quick glance at the Torah refutes your idiotic claim that Judaism doesn't revolve around Israel. It is one of the basic tenets of Judaism. If you do not acknowledge that you certainly are not Jewish. Just because we were exiled doesn't mean Jews cared any less about Israel or stopped dreaming of one day being able to return to our native land or support it even if not physically present.

The only valid non-Zionists are those who don't want to return to Israel for religious reasons until the messiah arrives.

You stand with those who seek to deny Jews the right of self-determination. Whatever your background might be, if you align with those who seek to kill or expel or otherwise oppose half the world's Jews, you are a Jew hater.

A better path for you is to visit Israel and see what a remarkable society it is and how people there have a deeper purpose. Even if it may not have the GDP
or material trappings of the US, people there have a spiritual connection and happiness for what they have built. If all you want to do is destroy, you will be forever miserable and mentally weak.
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Professor Mearsheimer estimates that there are 50,000 dead in Gaza. Lancet estimates four collateral deaths for every direct war death, meaning 250,000 killed.

Other sources claim 3 to 14 collateral deaths per direct deaths.

Secondly, studies say as many Israelis died in October from the Hannibal Directive, killed by IDF fire, as by the Hamas attack.
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115 Days Til No Joe said:





….but they are fine with tRump saying during the debate that Biden should let Israel, "finish the job," and they are fine with Jarvanka and their $2,000,000,000 Saudi commenting on the development potential of the beachfront property in Gaza and they will be fine with tRump Redux green lighting Bibi's "cleansing" of Lebanon in exchange for tRump development rights on the beachfront in Beirut.*

*These Israeli Invasion spoils of war resort developments will fit in nicely with the tRump Tower in Jeddah and the long in the works tRump Tower, Moscow.



*The corrupt Justices of the SCOTUS can count themselves among the suckers not getting an even break because they are getting less than chump change in exchange for the billions in pay for play international development rights they just served up to tRump with their immunity decision.
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Yes, Trump is no better on Gaza than Biden - and possibly even worse, if that's imaginable.

But what do you have to say about nearly 200,000 civilians being killed with American weapons and funding under Joe's watch??
 
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