I can't find my old Vivek Ramaswamy post so sorry for my new one.

He's jumped the shark for me. His handlers and him must have decided Trump's strategy of being outlandish was the way to go. I thought he had some good, non career politician ideas. The latest debates did him in for me. My latest favorite is another 'no chancer', democrat Dean Phillips. He shares most of my views and is willing to call out the most obvious flaws in his own party. I hope I get a chance to vote for him.
FWIW, I think Chris Christy was the best person on the debate stage last night. The other three are trying to out carnival act their opponents and it's sickening. I guess they all feel they are so far behind Trump that they have no other choice. There is always a choice.

82gradDLSdad said:

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I can't find my old Vivek Ramaswamy post so sorry for my new one.

He's jumped the shark for me. His handlers and him must have decided Trump's strategy of being outlandish was the way to go. I thought he had some good, non career politician ideas. The latest debates did him in for me. My latest favorite is another 'no chancer', democrat Dean Phillips. He shares most of my views and is willing to call out the most obvious flaws in his own party. I hope I get a chance to vote for him.
FWIW, I think Chris Christy was the best person on the debate stage last night. The other three are trying to out carnival act their opponents and it's sickening. I guess they all feel they are so far behind Trump that they have no other choice. There is always a choice.

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Agree with you but I saw him for what he is - a troll - a long time ago. He may be smart and educated and definitely more clever than the troll here but he adds as much value as the troll here. All he does is insult because he cannot stand on anything he has accomplished for the public. Him disappearing from public face cannot come soon enough although he is clearly looking to bury his face in Trump's behind at the hope of being a VP and some relevancy. FK him, FK Trump, and FK Biden. Wish Christie hadn't wasted his chances kissing up to Trump previously and wasn't scandalized in Jersey (which is hard to do although it almost seems quaint after the ****show of Trump). My only hope of avoiding Trump vs Biden II is Haley. Not perfect but better the **** sandwich that will be Trump or Biden.

Speaking of Biden - his desire to run is just to beat Trump but wouldn't want to run if Trump were not the candidate? What does that mean? As soon as he wins, he will resign and we will have a Harris presidency? How inspiring.

OsoDorado said:

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bear2034 said:

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"One thing that Joe Biden and Nikki Haley have in common is that neither of them ...

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One thing Nikki Haley, Ron DeSanctimonious and Vivek "the Egomaniac" Ramaswamy have in common is that none of them will ever be the Republican nominee for President.

It will be fascinating to see what becomes of the Republican party after Donald "the Loser" Trump loses again in 2024 ....

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I don't think even you want Biden to be your president again.

calbear93 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I can't find my old Vivek Ramaswamy post so sorry for my new one.

He's jumped the shark for me. His handlers and him must have decided Trump's strategy of being outlandish was the way to go. I thought he had some good, non career politician ideas. The latest debates did him in for me. My latest favorite is another 'no chancer', democrat Dean Phillips. He shares most of my views and is willing to call out the most obvious flaws in his own party. I hope I get a chance to vote for him.
FWIW, I think Chris Christy was the best person on the debate stage last night. The other three are trying to out carnival act their opponents and it's sickening. I guess they all feel they are so far behind Trump that they have no other choice. There is always a choice.

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Agree with you but I saw him for what he is - a troll - a long time ago. He may be smart and educated and definitely more clever than the troll here but he adds as much value as the troll here. All he does is insult because he cannot stand on anything he has accomplished for the public. Him disappearing from public face cannot come soon enough although he is clearly looking to bury his face in Trump's behind at the hope of being a VP and some relevancy. FK him, FK Trump, and FK Biden. Wish Christie hadn't wasted his chances kissing up to Trump previously and wasn't scandalized in Jersey (which is hard to do although it almost seems quaint after the ****show of Trump). My only hope of avoiding Trump vs Biden II is Haley. Not perfect but better the **** sandwich that will be Trump or Biden.

Speaking of Biden - his desire to run is just to beat Trump but wouldn't want to run if Trump were not the candidate? What does that mean? As soon as he wins, he will resign and we will have a Harris presidency? How inspiring.

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Vivek wasn't trolling in the beginning. He laid out his thoughts, some a bit cringy, and was smart and not seemingly beholden to political parties. I never did like his stance on Trump but so be it. I liked other things. Now it seems like he and his staff have decided he has to get more like Trump. Be outlandish and over the top. Attack. Not appealing to me. Dean Phillips seems to check a lot of boxes for me and probably many who can get beyond their Republican roots. Like I've said, my only non Republican vote was for Biden. I won't be doing that again. I'll abstain if it's Trump vs. Biden.

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"One thing that Joe Biden and Nikki Haley have in common is that neither of them ...

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One thing Nikki Haley, Ron DeSanctimonious and Vivek "the Egomaniac" Ramaswamy have in common is that none of them will ever be the Republican nominee for President.

It will be fascinating to see what becomes of the Republican party after Donald "the Loser" Trump loses again in 2024 ....

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If Biden is actually the nominee be prepared for Trump to win. Not a prediction but Biden is a low bar that only he would trip over.

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How is Vivek trolling when he's right? Using the term, fascist, is from the Democrat's playbook.

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He covered everything I would want from a president. I love that he was demanding that the other candidates show their bonafides by naming three provinces in Ukraine because that, I believe, is a requirement in the Constitution to be a president:

Criteria for effective president:

1. Call a Jewish leader of our ally a Nazi:

Check

2. Insult the intelligence of a former governor and UN ambassador because she cannot name something so critical to being a US president such as three providences in Ukraine. Glad he checked that off because that was something I wanted to make sure each candidate knew.

Check

3. Insult the intelligence of women and keep demeaning the gender and alienate half the US population:

Check

4. Proudly say that he will vote for someone who is convicted of federal crimes relating to our national security:

Check

5. Mock a candidate's weight when he would cry if someone made fun of his appearances or ethnicity

Check

6. Call climate change a hoax

Check


The fact that someone that vapid is one of the leading candidates in the primary and won't do anything but brownnose the leading candidate shows me what a joke the Republican is now. I write that as a traditional fiscal conservative.

And as such, a race between Trump/Ramaswamy and Biden/Harris is entirely unappealing to me.

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bear2034 said:

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How is Vivek trolling when he's right? Using the term, fascist, is from the Democrat's playbook.

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He covered everything I would want from a president. I love that he was demanding that the other candidates show their bonafides by naming three provinces in Ukraine because that, I believe, is a requirement in the Constitution to be a president:

Criteria for effective president:

1. Call a Jewish leader of our ally a Nazi:

Who?

2. Insult the intelligence of a former governor and UN ambassador because she cannot name something so critical to being a US president such as three providences in Ukraine. Glad he checked that off because that was something I wanted to make sure each candidate knew.

Cry harder.

3. Insult the intelligence of women and keep demeaning the gender and alienate half the US population:

Cry harder. "Having two x chromosomes does not immunize you from criticism" - Vivek

4. Proudly say that he will vote for someone who is convicted of federal crimes relating to our national security:

Cry harder.

5. Mock a candidate's weight when he would cry if someone made fun of his appearances or ethnicity

Cry harder.

6. Call climate change a hoax

So it's really about climate change for you then?


The fact that someone that vapid is one of the leading candidates in the primary and won't do anything but brownnose the leading candidate shows me what a joke the Republican is now. I write that as a traditional fiscal conservative.

And as such, a race between Trump/Ramaswamy and Biden/Harris is entirely unappealing to me.

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I made a bet that @NikkiHaley couldn’t even name just three regions of eastern Ukraine that she wants to send America’s sons & daughters to die fighting for. Turns out, I was right. pic.twitter.com/HvZRxsEpp0

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 7, 2023

Vivek may have ended Niki Haley's political career last night.

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Right, because the number one requirement for all presidential candidate is being able to name the three regions in Ukraine.

You seem really intelligent with a lot of common sense.

No hyperbole by you at all.

We will see who polls higher between Haley and Vivek in a week.

We can agree to disagree about the climate change hoax but the rest was just faux outrage.

82gradDLSdad said:

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I can't find my old Vivek Ramaswamy post so sorry for my new one.

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Maybe in this thread

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/110689/65

Or this one?

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/118237/replies/2267809#2267809

Or this one

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/114668/replies/2203925#2203925

Or this one

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/116408

You spoke on Vivek in all 4 threads. Multiple pages in the first two.

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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You have to forgive him. He is only two years old.

calbear93 said:

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But seems like you have ADHD and forget the point of the discussion easily.

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I apologize. I'm trying to cut my caffeine intake to one cup a day.

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my adult* life

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

* edited to add adult life because I don't want to debate this about people before I was aware

dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

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calbear93 said:

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But seems like you have ADHD and forget the point of the discussion easily.

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I apologize. I'm trying to cut my caffeine intake to one cup a day.

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All good.

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

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Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

It is going to be the two old farts against each other, absent one of them keeling over. Of all the people acting like children, Trump is only one who won't grow up and move away.

dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

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Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

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So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

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Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

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So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

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Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

---

So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

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Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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bear2034 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Joe Biden has been the best President of my lifetime

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C'mon man.

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Who you got?

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Abraham Lincoln. I have pics of his inauguration somewhere.

---

Any president other than Carter and maybe the second Bush. Heck, even among the Democrats, Clinton was one my favorite president, and Obama, before he went down the rabbit hole of identity politics, was effective and mostly inspirational.

---

So in my adult life, you've got Clinton, Obama, and Trump. Interesting choices.

Obama sucked at responding to the Great Recession. We had the slow rebound and Biden has done a great job avoiding that. Clinton did a lot of great things but ultimately his deregulation of the financial industry led to real problems a decade down the road. He also cut capital gains taxes.

Don't get me wrong - Clinton and Obama were both successful but Biden has brought us from a complete mess to thriving normalcy.

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Clearly not Trump, but yes, and I would add Reagan and the first Bush.

Obama did not suck at responding to the Great Recession. Not sure what you were doing at the time, but, without intending to be offensive or insulting, I don't take your assessment of the economy or economic policies very seriously. Sorry, but you have shown lack of deep and actual insight (beyond posting stupid graphs or twitter but actual, real life knowledge) of financial and economic realities. So, from my end and having represented corporations during that time (even some who were on the verge of bankruptcy because of shut down in liquidity), Obama did what was necessary and forced the even healthy banks to take the shame away from rescue by forcing everyone to take a rescue and avoid an existential threat of our financial systems. Idiots who had no understanding of what was at stake and what was being done complained about it.

Biden, based on my frequent discussions with people who are actually financial leaders, board members, CEOs, etc., is generally view as clueless and always behind. If you think he did a great job on the economy the last three years, we will never agree, and you may need to deal with actual people in leadership and decision makers. Sorry, not trying to minimize your great MBA, but you and I will never agree on economic assessment because, for the most part, things you write on these topics are so counter to what I am seeing with my investments, my advisement on boards, and my friendships with private equity and hedge fund managers, and not just folks renting out their second home. Sorry, we disagree. Biden is not good for the economy, and even the folks he appointed at the SEC and FTC are absolute, utter disasters.

You and I don't need to go into the weeds on this, because we have crossed this path many times before, from inflation, equity investments, interest rates, monetary policies, and you seem to live in an alternate reality from mine.

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I was a minor when Reagan and Bush Sr were elected but Bush Sr was far too eager for war for my tastes. I don't think anybody supports his type of foreign policy anymore.

Obama embraced conservative austerity and set the recovery back years. It was clear the economy needed more government spending in his 1st term but he acquiesced too easily to Republican demands.

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Not sure what you mean by being too eager for war. He is the one who withdrew from Iraq instead of destroying a government without a replacement like second Bush.

Not sure what you also meant by austerity. Assume you realize that the Republicans had the House (assuming you know how government works and who holds the purse in the federal government) and that his Fed appointment juiced the monetary policy to create the most amount of wealth and biggest bull market in my lifetime.

But here we go again. Your reality is divorced from my experience, so let's leave it here. Not sure my assessment of your economic acumen needs more degradation, and we won't convince each other.

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Iraq and Panama. Both unnecessary Bush Sr. wars. Imagine us invading a Central American country like that today.

Obama's entire approach was always to find compromise with Republicans. It's why I supported Hillary. It was obvious they wanted to sabotage Obama with fiscal austerity and a bad recovery for the American people. Obama went along rather than fighting. It was his biggest mistake and it was a painful mistake for the American people.

concordtom said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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I can't find my old Vivek Ramaswamy post so sorry for my new one.

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Maybe in this thread

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/110689/65

Or this one?

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/118237/replies/2267809#2267809

Or this one

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/114668/replies/2203925#2203925

Or this one

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/116408

You spoke on Vivek in all 4 threads. Multiple pages in the first two.

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Thanks. Sorry if I bothered you. I was looking for the one where I first brought up his name and couldn't find it.