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VW makes good, reliable cars, and is a legacy auto maker, not just a tech company like some others companies I could name,. I'm assuming the new guard of VWs are being made in Tennessee (this is a question - I don't know) and will not be subject to US protectionist impediment (another question - which relates to how much of the car comes from outside the US)? So are they really coming or removed from the US behind tariffs and the like?concordtom said:wifeisafurd said:You could ask your computer since you are starting to now quite your AI in other posts. . Apple AI: Here's a more detailed look at some key technologies expected to shape the future of cars:concordtom said:wifeisafurd said:I suspect due to technical issues, EVs will be competing against other technologies, and may lose that battle. The assumption that somehow EVs cure all their technical issues and achieve mass productions economies that advocates keep touting, has not happened yet, and may simply never happen.concordtom said:
Look, you're far smarter than me. I don't understand why you are complaining of margins. If we sat with a beer or a sandwich, I'm sure we'd get along just fine! Thumbs up.
Okay, now we are pivoting nicely.
What "other technologies" are you referring to? I'm stumped.
1. Autonomous Driving:
- Advanced Driver-Assistance Systems (ADAS):
These systems, already available in many cars, will become more sophisticated, offering features like adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping assist, and automatic emergency braking.- Self-Driving Capabilities:
Cars will gradually move towards full autonomy (Level 5), where they can navigate and drive without human intervention.- Robotaxis:
Autonomous vehicles could become a common form of transportation, offering on-demand ride-sharing services.
2. Electric Powertrains:
- Electric Vehicles (EVs):
EVs are expected to become increasingly popular, with advancements in battery technology leading to longer ranges and faster charging times.- Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles (FCEVs):
Hydrogen fuel cell technology could emerge as a viable alternative, offering a longer range and faster refueling times compared to EVs.- Hybrid Vehicles:
Hybrid technology, combining electric and gasoline engines, will continue to evolve, offering a balance of efficiency and range.- Solid-State Batteries:
These batteries promise higher energy density, faster charging, and increased safety compared to current lithium-ion batteries.
3. Connectivity and Software-Defined Vehicles:
- Over-the-Air (OTA) Updates:
Cars will be able to receive software updates wirelessly, allowing for continuous improvements and new features.- Connected Car Features:
Cars will be able to connect to the internet, other vehicles, and external services, enabling features like real-time traffic updates, remote diagnostics, and personalized infotainment systems.- 5G Connectivity:
5G technology will enable faster and more reliable data transmission, supporting features like autonomous driving and connected services.
4. AI and Machine Learning:
- Predictive Maintenance:
AI algorithms can analyze vehicle data to predict potential maintenance needs, allowing for proactive repairs and reduced downtime.- Personalized Driving Experience:
AI can learn driver preferences and adjust vehicle settings accordingly, creating a more comfortable and enjoyable experience.- Enhanced Safety Systems:
AI can be used to improve the performance of safety systems, such as pedestrian detection and lane departure warnings.- In-Cabin Sensing:
Using cameras, radar, and other sensors, cars can monitor the driver's attention and detect signs of fatigue or impairment, triggering safety interventions.
5. Other Emerging Technologies:
- Augmented Reality (AR):
AR technology can overlay digital information onto the real world, providing drivers with real-time navigation, hazard warnings, and other useful information.- Holographic Displays:
Holographic displays can create immersive and interactive experiences for passengers.- 3D Printing:
3D printing can be used to create custom vehicle parts and accessories, allowing for greater flexibility and personalization.- Biometric Authentication:
Biometric systems, such as fingerprint or facial recognition, can be used to unlock vehicles and personalize settings.- Composite Materials:
Lightweight and strong composite materials, like carbon fiber, can be used to reduce vehicle weight and improve fuel efficiency.- Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) Technology:
EVs can be used to store and distribute energy back to the grid, contributing to a more sustainable energy system.
This is a rather incomplete list, but as should. be obvious, EV technology is just one of many.
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Okay, I thought before you were saying that EVs were no good because the margins were crappy, the cost reductions weren't translating to good margins for manufacturers, and that they had still to come to compete with upcoming new technologies. So I asked what new tech.
Well, the new tech you've listed here mostly is somethings that can be added to either battery electric Powertrains or gas/diesel Powertrains. Except the mention of fuel cell and hybrid.
Fuel cell isn't going to happen, it appears. There is a problem with efficiency of green hydrogen production.
Hybrid is definitely a possibility. There is an upcoming Chinese car, I forget which, which claims to be able to get up to 1000 miles per tank. But I think this was with nightly plug-in.
So, I think you invalidated (part of) your own writing, prior.
You know, I suspect if we opened the gates to full competition, a company would fill the market slot for:
No frills, few features, full BEV. Cheap EV.
What we see instead is that manufacturers don't want to cannibalize their higher margin businesses.
Musk keeps promising.
Ford specifically says no.
US government keeps out these entrants. The claim is, often, that they are unsafe. I'd venture to guess it's a form of regulatory protectionism. Tata motors, for instance. Are these cheapos less safe than an original VW Bug, for instance? That's another can of worms… I'm not arguing for unsafe cars. But neither do I think every new vehicle sold needs the latest and greatest tech. Someone should simply produce the BEV powertain, keep passenger dry, and don't work about gadgety tech for iPhone connectivity, maps, driver assist sensors, etc.
Just produce a basic (safe) BEV transporter and you should see the price come way down, based on sunk R&D and economies of scale.
I guess I'm talking myself in circles.
More to the point:
Here are 10 cheapest gas cars from $20-25k:
https://www.cars.com/articles/here-are-the-10-cheapest-new-cars-you-can-buy-right-now-421309/#:~:text=1.,is%20standard%20on%20higher%20trims.
The equivalent liste for cheapest EV starts at $29k, and that is your point.
Why is there still such a large gap, price premium for the EV powertrain? Good question!
Do we have mature competition at the low end of the market? I guess I'm saying no, not yet.
That's a good question to explore. When do we get the EV that competes with the lowest $20k car?
I'll leave that question open, and point out that if we did, cost of ownership for the EV would be less than gas. More efficient powertrain on cost of input (electricity vs gas) per mile.
Though, you were saying I'm screwed if I get in a wreck. Hmmm. I think I'll exclude that from the analysis.
This article addresses the question "When do we get $20k EV?":
https://www.motortrend.com/news/the-cheapest-toyota-ev-just-went-on-sale-in-china-for-under-20000/
Google AI says:
While a definitive timeline for a $20,000 EV is uncertain, Volkswagen is planning to launch its ID.1 EV in 2027, with a base price of around 20,000 (or just over $20,000).
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Volkswagen's ID.1 EV:
Volkswagen has confirmed plans for a new entry-level electric vehicle, likely to be called the ID.1, with a base price of around 20,000, or just over $20,000.
Launch Timeline:
The ID.1 EV is expected to arrive in 2027.
Other EV Models:
Volkswagen also plans to launch the ID.2all, which was unveiled in March 2022, in 2026, with a base price of less than 25,000.
Mazda EZ-6:
Mazda launched the EZ-6 electric sedan in China in October 2024, with a price starting at around $19,200.
Here's another article of note:
https://electrek.co/2025/02/14/volkswagen-previews-20000-id-1-ev-ahead-of-march-debut/
It cases me to lookup the Wikipedia page for Volkswagen Group MEB Platform.
And after reading these articles I say, Wife, they
They are coming!
Tesla Terrorism is the Left going mask off.
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) March 22, 2025
His cars have cameras that catch the perps.Anarchistbear said:
Musk needs to tell his car to stand down
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VW makes good, reliable cars, and is a legacy auto maker, not just a tech company like some others companies I could name,. I'm assuming the new guard of VWs are being made in Tennessee (this is a question - I don't know) and will not be subject to US protectionist impediment (another question - which relates to how much of the car comes from outside the US)? So are they really coming or removed from the US behind tariffs and the like?
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The other problem with German EVs (and I know from personal experience), is the lack of infrastructure to fuel at. There are reasons Tesla dominates the US domestic market, and I think further expansion in the short term will come from Ford and General Motors because they will use Tesla conforming, ports to access the Tesla Supercharger network.
wifeisafurd said:
Again, EVs make-up less than 10% of domestic car sales, so it's a big hill to climb to get to the sales levels you and many other experts are predicting EVs will get to.
wifeisafurd said:
In the interim there is hydrogen cell technology, biofuel and synthetic technology, centralized E/E technology and other technologies are being incubated in the US at a college near you!
Tom, I think you are skipping a lot of what I'm saying in the interest of asserting a specific narrative, though I think the conversation is constructive one particularly for a off-topic thread. .
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Why is hydrogen cars not happening?
Hydrogen cars are struggling to gain traction due to several key challenges:
### **1. High Infrastructure Costs**
- Unlike electric vehicles (EVs), which can charge from existing power grids, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (FCVs) require a completely new network of hydrogen refueling stations.
- Building hydrogen stations is expensiveeach station can cost between **$1 million and $2 million**, compared to a few thousand dollars for EV chargers.
- As of 2024, hydrogen refueling stations are scarce, with most located in **California, Japan, and Germany**, making FCVs impractical for most consumers.
### **2. Hydrogen Production Challenges**
- Most hydrogen today is produced from **natural gas (gray hydrogen)**, which emits CO.
- "Green hydrogen" (produced using renewable energy) is costly and not yet widely available.
- Hydrogen is less energy-efficient than batteries: producing, transporting, and converting it into electricity results in **higher energy losses** compared to charging a battery directly.
### **3. Cost and Competition with EVs**
- Hydrogen cars like the Toyota Mirai and Hyundai Nexo are **expensive**, often costing **$50,000+**, and there are very few model options.
- EV battery technology has improved significantly, making **electric cars cheaper, more efficient, and easier to charge** than hydrogen FCVs.
### **4. Storage and Safety Concerns**
- Hydrogen needs to be stored at **high pressures (700 bar/10,000 psi)**, requiring specialized tanks that add cost and weight.
- While modern hydrogen tanks are safe, hydrogen is **highly flammable**, raising concerns in case of leaks or accidents.
### **5. Lack of Consumer Adoption**
- With limited fueling options and high costs, most consumers **aren't interested** in hydrogen cars.
- Automakers like **Honda and GM** have scaled back their hydrogen car efforts, focusing more on EVs.
### **Where Hydrogen Still Has Potential**
- **Heavy trucks, buses, and trains**: Hydrogen could be more viable for long-haul transport where batteries are too heavy.
- **Industrial applications**: Steelmaking, shipping, and aviation may benefit from green hydrogen.
### **Conclusion**
Hydrogen cars **aren't happening at scale** because EVs have won the passenger car market. While hydrogen may play a role in other sectors, automakers and governments are investing more in battery-electric vehicles due to **cost, efficiency, and infrastructure advantages**.
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Explain the round trip inefficiency of so-called Green Hydrogen
### **Round-Trip Inefficiency of Green Hydrogen**
Green hydrogen is produced using **electrolysis**, where electricity (ideally from renewables) splits water into hydrogen and oxygen. However, the entire process of generating, storing, transporting, and converting hydrogen back into electricity is highly **energy-inefficient**.
#### **Energy Losses at Each Stage**
1. **Electrolysis (~70-80% efficient)**
- Splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen **loses about 20-30% of the energy** as heat.
2. **Compression, Storage, and Transport (~75-90% efficient)**
- Hydrogen must be **compressed (700 bar)** or **liquefied (-253C)** for storage and transport.
- This process consumes **10-25% of the hydrogen's energy**.
3. **Fuel Cell Conversion (~50-60% efficient)**
- When hydrogen is used in a **fuel cell**, it converts back to electricity at **only 50-60% efficiency**.
- Even with a highly efficient **combined heat and power (CHP) system**, losses are still significant.
### **Total Round-Trip Efficiency**
Multiplying efficiencies at each stage:
\[
0.75 \times 0.85 \times 0.55 = \textbf{~35% efficiency}
\]
This means that **only ~35% of the original renewable electricity put into green hydrogen production is recovered as usable energy**. In contrast, battery-electric systems retain **80-90% efficiency** due to direct electricity use, making them **2-3 times more efficient than hydrogen**.
### **Why This Matters**
- Using **green hydrogen for cars or grid storage wastes a lot of renewable electricity** compared to batteries.
- It may still be useful for **industrial applications (e.g., steelmaking, aviation, shipping)**, but not for most consumer energy needs.
Would you like a comparison between green hydrogen and battery-electric storage for specific applications?
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Hydrogen is one of the most abundant elements. Why can't we just take it for free. Why all this grey vs green hydrogen talk?
Hydrogen **is** the most abundant element in the universe, but it doesn't exist in a pure, usable form on Earth. Instead, it is **chemically bound** to other elementsprimarily in **water (HO)** and **hydrocarbons (like methane, CH)**. This means we **can't just take it for free**; we must extract it using energy-intensive processes, which is where the "gray vs. green hydrogen" debate comes in.
### **Why Can't We Just Use Free Hydrogen?**
- **Hydrogen is highly reactive** and doesn't exist naturally as a gas (H) in large amounts.
- Extracting pure hydrogen requires breaking chemical bonds, which takes **energy**.
### **Why Gray vs. Green Hydrogen?**
The classification depends on **how hydrogen is produced**:
1. **Gray Hydrogen** (Most Common, ~95% of Hydrogen Today)
- Produced by **steam methane reforming (SMR)**, using natural gas (CH).
- Emits **CO**, contributing to climate change.
- **Cheapest method**, costing about **$12 per kg**.
2. **Blue Hydrogen** (Gray Hydrogen + Carbon Capture)
- Similar to gray hydrogen but uses **carbon capture** to reduce emissions.
- Still relies on **fossil fuels** and **doesn't capture all CO**.
3. **Green Hydrogen** (The Ideal, but Expensive)
- Made via **electrolysis**, splitting water (HO) using **renewable electricity** (solar, wind, hydro).
- **No direct CO emissions**, but **only 35% efficient** in round-trip energy use.
- **Expensive**: costs **$46 per kg**, making it 23x costlier than gray hydrogen.
### **Bottom Line**
- **Hydrogen isn't free because we must extract it using energy-intensive methods.**
- **Most hydrogen today comes from fossil fuels (gray hydrogen), which is cheap but polluting.**
- **Green hydrogen is clean but expensive and inefficient.**
- **That's why there's so much debate about making hydrogen practical for energy use.**
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VW makes good, reliable cars, and is a legacy auto maker, not just a tech company like some others companies I could name,. I'm assuming the new guard of VWs are being made in Tennessee (this is a question - I don't know) and will not be subject to US protectionist impediment (another question - which relates to how much of the car comes from outside the US)? So are they really coming or removed from the US behind tariffs and the like?
ChatGPT
What manufacturing does ve have in USA, Mex, Canada
Volkswagen has several manufacturing facilities across North America:
- **United States**: VW operates a major plant in **Chattanooga, Tennessee**, where it produces the ID.4 electric SUV, along with internal combustion models like the Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport. This plant is central to Volkswagen's EV production strategy in North America.
- **Mexico**: The company has a large plant in **Puebla**, which is one of VW's biggest facilities outside Germany. This plant manufactures models such as the Jetta, Taos, and Tiguan, as well as the Audi Q5 (since VW owns Audi). The Puebla facility is also being expanded for EV production, with Volkswagen investing nearly $1 billion to modernize it. Additionally, VW has an **engine plant in Silao, Guanajuato**, which produces engines for vehicles assembled in Puebla and Chattanooga [oai_citation:1,Volkswagen to invest nearly US $1B in Mexico to manufacture EVs](https://mexiconewsdaily.com/business/volkswagen-to-invest-us-1b-in-puebla-plant-to-increase-ev-production/).
- **Canada**: Volkswagen is setting up an **EV battery manufacturing plant in Ontario**, specifically in St. Thomas. This facility will focus on producing battery cells for the company's growing EV lineup [oai_citation:2,Volkswagen Group chooses Canada for EV battery cell manufacturing](https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-group-powerco-canada-ev-battery-cell-manufacturing/).
These plants play a crucial role in VW's North American strategy, particularly as the company shifts toward electric vehicle production. Let me know if you need more details!
oski003 said:
Biden was president when VW chose to make batteries in Canada for the American market. I wonder if the Trump presidency is influencing them to make the batteries here or if it is too late. I bet if the decision were made today, the jobs would have come to the USA instead of Canada.
wifeisafurd said:
biofuels?
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Why are we not seeing biofuels in cars?
Biofuels **do** exist in cars, but they haven't become widespread for several reasons:
### **1. Competition from EVs and Hybrids**
- Automakers have **shifted focus to electric vehicles (EVs)** due to government policies, lower emissions, and advances in battery technology.
- Many countries and companies see **EVs as the future**, so biofuels get less investment.
### **2. Production and Scalability Issues**
- **Ethanol (E85)** and **biodiesel** are common biofuels, but large-scale production **competes with food crops** like corn and soy.
- There are concerns about **land use**, deforestation, and the overall **sustainability** of biofuel farming.
### **3. Fuel Distribution and Compatibility**
- Most gas stations **don't carry high-biofuel blends** like E85.
- While some cars are **flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs)** and can run on ethanol blends, most gasoline cars can only handle up to **10-15% ethanol (E10, E15)**.
### **4. Energy Density and Performance**
- **Ethanol contains ~33% less energy per gallon** than gasoline, meaning lower fuel economy.
- **Biodiesel can gel in cold temperatures**, limiting its use in certain climates.
### **5. Government Policies and Oil Industry Influence**
- Many countries **subsidize electric vehicles more** than biofuels.
- The **oil industry still dominates transportation**, making a full shift to biofuels difficult.
### **Where Biofuels Are Used**
- **Brazil**: Many cars run on **100% ethanol** because of sugarcane-based biofuel.
- **Aviation and shipping**: Biofuels are being explored for **planes and cargo ships** where EVs aren't viable.
### **Conclusion**
Biofuels are technically possible but face **economic, infrastructure, and policy challenges**. With **EVs gaining momentum**, biofuels are mostly used in niche markets rather than mainstream passenger cars.
concordtom said:oski003 said:
Biden was president when VW chose to make batteries in Canada for the American market. I wonder if the Trump presidency is influencing them to make the batteries here or if it is too late. I bet if the decision were made today, the jobs would have come to the USA instead of Canada.
Chaos Candidate.
Markets like stability.
China's stable leadership is laughing at our inability to be a reliable force.
oski003 said:concordtom said:Quote:
VW makes good, reliable cars, and is a legacy auto maker, not just a tech company like some others companies I could name,. I'm assuming the new guard of VWs are being made in Tennessee (this is a question - I don't know) and will not be subject to US protectionist impediment (another question - which relates to how much of the car comes from outside the US)? So are they really coming or removed from the US behind tariffs and the like?
ChatGPT
What manufacturing does ve have in USA, Mex, Canada
Volkswagen has several manufacturing facilities across North America:
- **United States**: VW operates a major plant in **Chattanooga, Tennessee**, where it produces the ID.4 electric SUV, along with internal combustion models like the Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport. This plant is central to Volkswagen's EV production strategy in North America.
- **Mexico**: The company has a large plant in **Puebla**, which is one of VW's biggest facilities outside Germany. This plant manufactures models such as the Jetta, Taos, and Tiguan, as well as the Audi Q5 (since VW owns Audi). The Puebla facility is also being expanded for EV production, with Volkswagen investing nearly $1 billion to modernize it. Additionally, VW has an **engine plant in Silao, Guanajuato**, which produces engines for vehicles assembled in Puebla and Chattanooga [oai_citation:1,Volkswagen to invest nearly US $1B in Mexico to manufacture EVs](https://mexiconewsdaily.com/business/volkswagen-to-invest-us-1b-in-puebla-plant-to-increase-ev-production/).
- **Canada**: Volkswagen is setting up an **EV battery manufacturing plant in Ontario**, specifically in St. Thomas. This facility will focus on producing battery cells for the company's growing EV lineup [oai_citation:2,Volkswagen Group chooses Canada for EV battery cell manufacturing](https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-group-powerco-canada-ev-battery-cell-manufacturing/).
These plants play a crucial role in VW's North American strategy, particularly as the company shifts toward electric vehicle production. Let me know if you need more details!
Biden was president when VW chose to make batteries in Canada for the American market. I wonder if the Trump presidency is influencing them to make the batteries here or if it is too late. I bet if the decision were made today, the jobs would have come to the USA instead of Canada.
DiabloWags said:oski003 said:concordtom said:Quote:
VW makes good, reliable cars, and is a legacy auto maker, not just a tech company like some others companies I could name,. I'm assuming the new guard of VWs are being made in Tennessee (this is a question - I don't know) and will not be subject to US protectionist impediment (another question - which relates to how much of the car comes from outside the US)? So are they really coming or removed from the US behind tariffs and the like?
ChatGPT
What manufacturing does ve have in USA, Mex, Canada
Volkswagen has several manufacturing facilities across North America:
- **United States**: VW operates a major plant in **Chattanooga, Tennessee**, where it produces the ID.4 electric SUV, along with internal combustion models like the Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport. This plant is central to Volkswagen's EV production strategy in North America.
- **Mexico**: The company has a large plant in **Puebla**, which is one of VW's biggest facilities outside Germany. This plant manufactures models such as the Jetta, Taos, and Tiguan, as well as the Audi Q5 (since VW owns Audi). The Puebla facility is also being expanded for EV production, with Volkswagen investing nearly $1 billion to modernize it. Additionally, VW has an **engine plant in Silao, Guanajuato**, which produces engines for vehicles assembled in Puebla and Chattanooga [oai_citation:1,Volkswagen to invest nearly US $1B in Mexico to manufacture EVs](https://mexiconewsdaily.com/business/volkswagen-to-invest-us-1b-in-puebla-plant-to-increase-ev-production/).
- **Canada**: Volkswagen is setting up an **EV battery manufacturing plant in Ontario**, specifically in St. Thomas. This facility will focus on producing battery cells for the company's growing EV lineup [oai_citation:2,Volkswagen Group chooses Canada for EV battery cell manufacturing](https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-group-powerco-canada-ev-battery-cell-manufacturing/).
These plants play a crucial role in VW's North American strategy, particularly as the company shifts toward electric vehicle production. Let me know if you need more details!
Biden was president when VW chose to make batteries in Canada for the American market. I wonder if the Trump presidency is influencing them to make the batteries here or if it is too late. I bet if the decision were made today, the jobs would have come to the USA instead of Canada.
For some reason, you're totally ignoring the Inflation Reduction Act under the Biden Administration that really pushed green tech and battery plants. It's the reason why CANADA had to make such a generous offer to VW.
FACT SHEET: How the Inflation Reduction Act's Tax Incentives Are Ensuring All Americans Benefit from the Growth of the Clean Energy Economy | U.S. Department of the Treasury
"Billions in taxpayer dollars for a profitable automaker like Volkswagen doesn't make sense at first glance, said one international business expert."
"But it does once you consider that Canada is up against the United States' Inflation Reduction Act, which offers billions in subsidies to companies to build south of the border, said Andreas Schotter, a professor of international strategy at the Ivey School of Business at Western University in London, Ont., and a former marketing sales controller for North America at Volkswagen."
"That Inflation Reduction Act has really pushed up the need to open the pockets wider for attracting investments in green technology and battery plants. Otherwise, the plant would have been put in the United States or Mexico, but likely the U.S.," he said.
"We need to attract industry," Schotter said.
"Volkswagen is a global player. Attracting this plant here, from a Canadian perspective, makes sense. Price tag? You pay the price and you get them."
🚨Dems torched minority-owned businesses after George Floyd, and now they're torching Tesla's electric vehicles after losing the popular vote.@greggutfeld: "Why is it whenever Dems get excited they egg on destruction? And what burns is the very thing they claim to champion.… pic.twitter.com/SKeOgnGa91
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) March 22, 2025
Remember, Tesla is a minority owned business.bear2034 said:🚨Dems torched minority-owned businesses after George Floyd, and now they're torching Tesla's electric vehicles after losing the popular vote.@greggutfeld: "Why is it whenever Dems get excited they egg on destruction? And what burns is the very thing they claim to champion.… pic.twitter.com/SKeOgnGa91
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) March 22, 2025
Send the Tesla terrorists to El Salvador.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:Remember, Tesla is a minority owned business.bear2034 said:🚨Dems torched minority-owned businesses after George Floyd, and now they're torching Tesla's electric vehicles after losing the popular vote.@greggutfeld: "Why is it whenever Dems get excited they egg on destruction? And what burns is the very thing they claim to champion.… pic.twitter.com/SKeOgnGa91
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) March 22, 2025
Send the Tesla terrorists to El Salvador.
My mistake. I thought the autistic largest shareholder owned over 50% of the company. I see it's only 12.8.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Remember, Tesla is a minority owned business.bear2034 said:🚨Dems torched minority-owned businesses after George Floyd, and now they're torching Tesla's electric vehicles after losing the popular vote.@greggutfeld: "Why is it whenever Dems get excited they egg on destruction? And what burns is the very thing they claim to champion.… pic.twitter.com/SKeOgnGa91
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) March 22, 2025
Send the Tesla terrorists to El Salvador.
Tesla is a publicly traded company.
Elon Musk Disguises IRS Building As Tesla Dealership So Democrats Will Burn It Downhttps://t.co/W1QoSXVU3I pic.twitter.com/JEBGBe4aA9
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) March 24, 2025
concordtom said:
Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.
Here he says "we are going after them."
We.
As a threat.
He has lost his mind!
I asked ChatGPT if Hitler started with any high ideals and then flipped to evil, and it said, no, he was always extreme from the start. But it did list others who fit my good-to-bad query: Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Gaddafi, Pol Pot, Marcos.
It then added:
Common Patterns
1. Early Popularity: Many of these leaders rose to power with public support, promising reforms or national strength.
2. Gradual Power Consolidation: Over time, they removed opposition, controlled media, or used military force to maintain control.
3. Paranoia & Repression: As they ruled longer, many became paranoid, oppressive, or brutal, leading to purges, censorship, or mass killings.
4. Economic Decline or War: Some initially improved their countries but later caused economic collapse, famine, or disastrous wars.
Like I said before, Teslas are just garbageconcordtom said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-tesla-reportedly-halts-180235830.html
Cyber truck shipments halted as exoskeleton glue fails and sheet metal falls off.
It couldn't happen to a richer Nazi waver
As a fellow government employee, I'd like to know just how much the government is paying Musk to go away.oski003 said:concordtom said:
Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.
Here he says "we are going after them."
We.
As a threat.
He has lost his mind!
I asked ChatGPT if Hitler started with any high ideals and then flipped to evil, and it said, no, he was always extreme from the start. But it did list others who fit my good-to-bad query: Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Gaddafi, Pol Pot, Marcos.
It then added:
Common Patterns
1. Early Popularity: Many of these leaders rose to power with public support, promising reforms or national strength.
2. Gradual Power Consolidation: Over time, they removed opposition, controlled media, or used military force to maintain control.
3. Paranoia & Repression: As they ruled longer, many became paranoid, oppressive, or brutal, leading to purges, censorship, or mass killings.
4. Economic Decline or War: Some initially improved their countries but later caused economic collapse, famine, or disastrous wars.
Musk plans on leaving DOGE in May.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/elon-musk-reveals-for-the-first-time-ever-his-doge-term-likely-ending-on-and-his-leaving-washington-dc/amp_articleshow/119766811.cms
concordtom said:
Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.
Here he says "we are going after them."
We.
As a threat.
He has lost his mind!
I asked ChatGPT if Hitler started with any high ideals and then flipped to evil, and it said, no, he was always extreme from the start. But it did list others who fit my good-to-bad query: Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Gaddafi, Pol Pot, Marcos.
It then added:
Common Patterns
1. Early Popularity: Many of these leaders rose to power with public support, promising reforms or national strength.
2. Gradual Power Consolidation: Over time, they removed opposition, controlled media, or used military force to maintain control.
3. Paranoia & Repression: As they ruled longer, many became paranoid, oppressive, or brutal, leading to purges, censorship, or mass killings.
4. Economic Decline or War: Some initially improved their countries but later caused economic collapse, famine, or disastrous wars.
How will Elon Musk recover from this? pic.twitter.com/gLfgBrDH6v
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) March 30, 2025
Musk could never be Michelle Obama.Anarchistbear said:
Musk was always a narcissist dick and never a man of the people.
Touching: Libs Spell Out 'Coexist' With Burning Teslas https://t.co/UOh7NhPCKg pic.twitter.com/Zh9UPKfDqo
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) March 29, 2025
bear2034 said:Musk could never be Michelle Obama.Anarchistbear said:
Musk was always a narcissist dick and never a man of the people.
