Anarchistbear said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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Musk was always a narcissist dick and never a man of the people.

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Musk could never be Michelle Obama.

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She could be the mother of his child

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Michelle Musk.

Oh bah di la dah Mobama

The entire parking lot and part of the Tesla center building in Rome was torched by arsonists last night. 17 vehicles destroyed, with many more damaged. It’s the single largest terrorist attack on Tesla so far. pic.twitter.com/mAG5n5BygA

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) March 31, 2025

At least the libs are just burning other people's cars instead of burning down black-owned small businesses like they did during the George Floyd riots.

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concordtom said:

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-tesla-reportedly-halts-180235830.html

Cyber truck shipments halted as exoskeleton glue fails and sheet metal falls off.

It couldn't happen to a richer Nazi waver

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Like I said before, Teslas are just garbage

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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If that was true, the same recall wouldn't have to be rehashed 50 times on this site. Teslas are excellent cars at a good price.

Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.

Here he says "we are going after them."

We.
As a threat.


He has lost his mind!






I asked ChatGPT if Hitler started with any high ideals and then flipped to evil, and it said, no, he was always extreme from the start. But it did list others who fit my good-to-bad query: Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Gaddafi, Pol Pot, Marcos.

It then added:

Common Patterns

1. Early Popularity: Many of these leaders rose to power with public support, promising reforms or national strength.
2. Gradual Power Consolidation: Over time, they removed opposition, controlled media, or used military force to maintain control.
3. Paranoia & Repression: As they ruled longer, many became paranoid, oppressive, or brutal, leading to purges, censorship, or mass killings.
4. Economic Decline or War: Some initially improved their countries but later caused economic collapse, famine, or disastrous wars.

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Musk was always a narcissist dick and never a man of the people.

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Yes, not the best phrasing.

I meant that he came off better as interested in causes for humanity with his environmentalism of electric cars. He spoke of global warming of CO2 and ridding fossil fuels.

Now it's clear he has no actual connection to people, not just because of his Asperger's condition but also because of his words and actions.

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SBGold said:

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concordtom said:

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-tesla-reportedly-halts-180235830.html

Cyber truck shipments halted as exoskeleton glue fails and sheet metal falls off.

It couldn't happen to a richer Nazi waver

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Like I said before, Teslas are just garbage

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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If that was true, the same recall wouldn't have to be rehashed 50 times on this site. Teslas are excellent cars at a good price.

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Have you ever owned a Tesla?

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oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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concordtom said:

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-tesla-reportedly-halts-180235830.html

Cyber truck shipments halted as exoskeleton glue fails and sheet metal falls off.

It couldn't happen to a richer Nazi waver

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Like I said before, Teslas are just garbage

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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If that was true, the same recall wouldn't have to be rehashed 50 times on this site. Teslas are excellent cars at a good price.

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Have you ever owned a Tesla?

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Yes.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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SBGold said:

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concordtom said:

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-tesla-reportedly-halts-180235830.html

Cyber truck shipments halted as exoskeleton glue fails and sheet metal falls off.

It couldn't happen to a richer Nazi waver

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Like I said before, Teslas are just garbage

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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If that was true, the same recall wouldn't have to be rehashed 50 times on this site. Teslas are excellent cars at a good price.

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Have you ever owned a Tesla?

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Yes.

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Ok. Good for you.

concordtom said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.

Here he says "we are going after them."

We.
As a threat.


He has lost his mind!






I asked ChatGPT if Hitler started with any high ideals and then flipped to evil, and it said, no, he was always extreme from the start. But it did list others who fit my good-to-bad query: Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Gaddafi, Pol Pot, Marcos.

It then added:

Common Patterns

1. Early Popularity: Many of these leaders rose to power with public support, promising reforms or national strength.
2. Gradual Power Consolidation: Over time, they removed opposition, controlled media, or used military force to maintain control.
3. Paranoia & Repression: As they ruled longer, many became paranoid, oppressive, or brutal, leading to purges, censorship, or mass killings.
4. Economic Decline or War: Some initially improved their countries but later caused economic collapse, famine, or disastrous wars.

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Musk was always a narcissist dick and never a man of the people.

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Yes, not the best phrasing.

I meant that he came off better as interested in causes for humanity with his environmentalism of electric cars. He spoke of global warming of CO2 and ridding fossil fuels.

Now it's clear he has no actual connection to people, not just because of his Asperger's condition but also because of his words and actions.

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Musk got his start in PayPal- basically being a middle man collecting rents off of financial transactions. He made an electric car to make money. It's a slightly evolved car but it's a 20th century technology not a game changer. Having upper middle class people running around in their own little fuel cells is trivial pursuit and has minimal impact on the environment. The average American emits 3x as much carbon as the world average. You want to "help" the environment, do like the rest of the world- don't have a car or use public transport or invent a more revolutionary way to move people

The only thing that Elon Musk seems to consistently believe in is that he should have the adoration of the masses.

concordtom said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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biofuels?

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ChatGPT

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Why are we not seeing biofuels in cars?


Biofuels **do** exist in cars, but they haven't become widespread for several reasons:

### **1. Competition from EVs and Hybrids**
- Automakers have **shifted focus to electric vehicles (EVs)** due to government policies, lower emissions, and advances in battery technology.
- Many countries and companies see **EVs as the future**, so biofuels get less investment.

### **2. Production and Scalability Issues**
- **Ethanol (E85)** and **biodiesel** are common biofuels, but large-scale production **competes with food crops** like corn and soy.
- There are concerns about **land use**, deforestation, and the overall **sustainability** of biofuel farming.

### **3. Fuel Distribution and Compatibility**
- Most gas stations **don't carry high-biofuel blends** like E85.
- While some cars are **flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs)** and can run on ethanol blends, most gasoline cars can only handle up to **10-15% ethanol (E10, E15)**.

### **4. Energy Density and Performance**
- **Ethanol contains ~33% less energy per gallon** than gasoline, meaning lower fuel economy.
- **Biodiesel can gel in cold temperatures**, limiting its use in certain climates.

### **5. Government Policies and Oil Industry Influence**
- Many countries **subsidize electric vehicles more** than biofuels.
- The **oil industry still dominates transportation**, making a full shift to biofuels difficult.

### **Where Biofuels Are Used**
- **Brazil**: Many cars run on **100% ethanol** because of sugarcane-based biofuel.
- **Aviation and shipping**: Biofuels are being explored for **planes and cargo ships** where EVs aren't viable.

### **Conclusion**
Biofuels are technically possible but face **economic, infrastructure, and policy challenges**. With **EVs gaining momentum**, biofuels are mostly used in niche markets rather than mainstream passenger cars.

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Tom, you should try actually thinking about things rather that simply quoting AI. But once again, my AI (Apple) thinks your AI is full of it:


"While battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are a significant step towards a sustainable future, the future of transportation likely won't be solely reliant on them, as other technologies, like fuel cells and advanced battery chemistries, are also being developed and could play a crucial role. (Emphasis added)


Here's a more detailed look:



1. Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs) - The Current Focus:

• Growing Popularity:
  BEVs are gaining traction as a cleaner alternative to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, offering reduced emissions and lower operating costs.
  
  
• Key Benefits:
  
  • Reduced Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, contributing to cleaner air and reduced greenhouse gas emissions.
    
    
  • Lower Operating Costs: Electricity is often cheaper than gasoline, and EVs require less maintenance than ICE vehicles.
    
    
  • Improved Performance: EVs offer instant torque and quick acceleration, providing a smooth and responsive driving experience.
    
    
• Challenges:
  
  • Range Anxiety: Limited range compared to gasoline vehicles can be a concern for some drivers.
    
    
  • Charging Infrastructure: The availability of charging infrastructure is still a challenge in some areas.
    
    
  • Battery Technology: Current battery technology has limitations in terms of energy density, charging time, and cost.
    
    

2. Other Technologies on the Horizon:

• Fuel Cells:
  
  • Hydrogen Fuel Cells: These vehicles use hydrogen to produce electricity, offering a potentially longer range and faster refueling times than BEVs.
    
    
  • Challenges: The infrastructure for hydrogen refueling is still in its early stages, and the cost of fuel cell technology is high.
    
    
• Advanced Battery Technologies:
  
  • Solid-State Batteries: These batteries offer the potential for higher energy density, faster charging times, and improved safety.
    
    
  • Sodium-Ion Batteries: These batteries use sodium instead of lithium, potentially reducing costs and reliance on rare materials.
    
    
  • Silicon Anode Batteries: These batteries use silicon instead of graphite in the anode, potentially increasing energy density.
    
    
• EV Battery Swapping:
  
  • Battery Swapping Technology: This technology allows drivers to quickly swap out depleted batteries for fully charged ones, potentially eliminating range anxiety and reducing charging times.
    
    

3. The Future of Transportation - A Multi-Technological Approach:

• No Single Solution:
  The future of transportation is likely to be a mix of different technologies, with BEVs, fuel cells, and advanced battery technologies all playing a role.
  
  
• Complementary Technologies:
  Different technologies may be better suited for different applications, such as BEVs for urban commuting and fuel cells for long-distance travel.
  
  
• Continued Innovation:
  Ongoing research and development are crucial for improving battery technology, fuel cell technology, and other transportation technologies.
  
  
• Sustainability:
  The transition to electric and alternative fuel vehicles is essential for reducing emissions and combating climate change.
  
  

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VW makes good, reliable cars, and is a legacy auto maker, not just a tech company like some others companies I could name,. I'm assuming the new guard of VWs are being made in Tennessee (this is a question - I don't know) and will not be subject to US protectionist impediment (another question - which relates to how much of the car comes from outside the US)? So are they really coming or removed from the US behind tariffs and the like?

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ChatGPT

What manufacturing does ve have in USA, Mex, Canada


Volkswagen has several manufacturing facilities across North America:

- **United States**: VW operates a major plant in **Chattanooga, Tennessee**, where it produces the ID.4 electric SUV, along with internal combustion models like the Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport. This plant is central to Volkswagen's EV production strategy in North America.

- **Mexico**: The company has a large plant in **Puebla**, which is one of VW's biggest facilities outside Germany. This plant manufactures models such as the Jetta, Taos, and Tiguan, as well as the Audi Q5 (since VW owns Audi). The Puebla facility is also being expanded for EV production, with Volkswagen investing nearly $1 billion to modernize it. Additionally, VW has an **engine plant in Silao, Guanajuato**, which produces engines for vehicles assembled in Puebla and Chattanooga [oai_citation:1,Volkswagen to invest nearly US $1B in Mexico to manufacture EVs](https://mexiconewsdaily.com/business/volkswagen-to-invest-us-1b-in-puebla-plant-to-increase-ev-production/).

- **Canada**: Volkswagen is setting up an **EV battery manufacturing plant in Ontario**, specifically in St. Thomas. This facility will focus on producing battery cells for the company's growing EV lineup [oai_citation:2,Volkswagen Group chooses Canada for EV battery cell manufacturing](https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-group-powerco-canada-ev-battery-cell-manufacturing/).

These plants play a crucial role in VW's North American strategy, particularly as the company shifts toward electric vehicle production. Let me know if you need more details!

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Tom, the issue is to what degree VW is subject to tariffs. What yo have here is gibberish that doesn't answer the question.

But keep showing the love to strongest Nazi auto maker of all time.

Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.

Here he says "we are going after them."

We.
As a threat.


He has lost his mind!






I asked ChatGPT if Hitler started with any high ideals and then flipped to evil, and it said, no, he was always extreme from the start. But it did list others who fit my good-to-bad query: Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Gaddafi, Pol Pot, Marcos.

It then added:

Common Patterns

1. Early Popularity: Many of these leaders rose to power with public support, promising reforms or national strength.
2. Gradual Power Consolidation: Over time, they removed opposition, controlled media, or used military force to maintain control.
3. Paranoia & Repression: As they ruled longer, many became paranoid, oppressive, or brutal, leading to purges, censorship, or mass killings.
4. Economic Decline or War: Some initially improved their countries but later caused economic collapse, famine, or disastrous wars.

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Musk was always a narcissist dick and never a man of the people.

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Yes, not the best phrasing.

I meant that he came off better as interested in causes for humanity with his environmentalism of electric cars. He spoke of global warming of CO2 and ridding fossil fuels.

Now it's clear he has no actual connection to people, not just because of his Asperger's condition but also because of his words and actions.

---

Musk got his start in PayPal- basically being a middle man collecting rents off of financial transactions. He made an electric car to make money. It's a slightly evolved car but it's a 20th century technology not a game changer. Having upper middle class people running around in their own little fuel cells is trivial pursuit and has minimal impact on the environment. The average American emits 3x as much carbon as the world average. You want to "help" the environment, do like the rest of the world- don't have a car or use public transport or invent a more revolutionary way to move people

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Sure. No argument here.

Flamethrower.
Tunnels to bypass traffic.
Rockets.

He's like a self-focused kid who wants toys for his own amusement, right?

concordtom said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.

Here he says "we are going after them."

We.
As a threat.


He has lost his mind!






I asked ChatGPT if Hitler started with any high ideals and then flipped to evil, and it said, no, he was always extreme from the start. But it did list others who fit my good-to-bad query: Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Gaddafi, Pol Pot, Marcos.

It then added:

Common Patterns

1. Early Popularity: Many of these leaders rose to power with public support, promising reforms or national strength.
2. Gradual Power Consolidation: Over time, they removed opposition, controlled media, or used military force to maintain control.
3. Paranoia & Repression: As they ruled longer, many became paranoid, oppressive, or brutal, leading to purges, censorship, or mass killings.
4. Economic Decline or War: Some initially improved their countries but later caused economic collapse, famine, or disastrous wars.

---

Musk was always a narcissist dick and never a man of the people.

---

Yes, not the best phrasing.

I meant that he came off better as interested in causes for humanity with his environmentalism of electric cars. He spoke of global warming of CO2 and ridding fossil fuels.

Now it's clear he has no actual connection to people, not just because of his Asperger's condition but also because of his words and actions.

---

Musk got his start in PayPal- basically being a middle man collecting rents off of financial transactions. He made an electric car to make money. It's a slightly evolved car but it's a 20th century technology not a game changer. Having upper middle class people running around in their own little fuel cells is trivial pursuit and has minimal impact on the environment. The average American emits 3x as much carbon as the world average. You want to "help" the environment, do like the rest of the world- don't have a car or use public transport or invent a more revolutionary way to move people

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Sure. No argument here.

Flamethrower.
Tunnels to bypass traffic.
Rockets.

He's like a self-focused kid who wants toys for his own amusement, right?

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Yet, his companies have REVOLUTIONIZED the auto industry and the payment industry, as well as traveling to space.

It is hilarious how y'all can't come to terms with this and incredibly petty that y'all are now ignorantly claiming that Teslas are bad cars.

I'm no VW lover.
I think you made a VW statement so I responded to it.
VW's Nazi past is in the past. That it cheated massively on emissions is not in the past - bass tards!

Lots of news about VW being another at-risk auto manufacturer which will eventually die vs Chinese imports.

Emerging Markets are threatening the Developed Economies
Yes, I thought about that before typing it.

I'm amused how you bristle and enjoy insulting me. Whatever. You're a good guy, I'm a good guy. It's the limitations of the medium.

wifeisafurd said:

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concordtom said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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biofuels?

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ChatGPT

Quote:

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Why are we not seeing biofuels in cars?


Biofuels **do** exist in cars, but they haven't become widespread for several reasons:

### **1. Competition from EVs and Hybrids**
- Automakers have **shifted focus to electric vehicles (EVs)** due to government policies, lower emissions, and advances in battery technology.
- Many countries and companies see **EVs as the future**, so biofuels get less investment.

### **2. Production and Scalability Issues**
- **Ethanol (E85)** and **biodiesel** are common biofuels, but large-scale production **competes with food crops** like corn and soy.
- There are concerns about **land use**, deforestation, and the overall **sustainability** of biofuel farming.

### **3. Fuel Distribution and Compatibility**
- Most gas stations **don't carry high-biofuel blends** like E85.
- While some cars are **flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs)** and can run on ethanol blends, most gasoline cars can only handle up to **10-15% ethanol (E10, E15)**.

### **4. Energy Density and Performance**
- **Ethanol contains ~33% less energy per gallon** than gasoline, meaning lower fuel economy.
- **Biodiesel can gel in cold temperatures**, limiting its use in certain climates.

### **5. Government Policies and Oil Industry Influence**
- Many countries **subsidize electric vehicles more** than biofuels.
- The **oil industry still dominates transportation**, making a full shift to biofuels difficult.

### **Where Biofuels Are Used**
- **Brazil**: Many cars run on **100% ethanol** because of sugarcane-based biofuel.
- **Aviation and shipping**: Biofuels are being explored for **planes and cargo ships** where EVs aren't viable.

### **Conclusion**
Biofuels are technically possible but face **economic, infrastructure, and policy challenges**. With **EVs gaining momentum**, biofuels are mostly used in niche markets rather than mainstream passenger cars.

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Tom, you should try actually thinking about things rather that simply quoting AI. But once again, my AI (Apple) thinks your AI is full of it:


"While battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are a significant step towards a sustainable future, the future of transportation likely won't be solely reliant on them, as other technologies, like fuel cells and advanced battery chemistries, are also being developed and could play a crucial role. (Emphasis added)


Here's a more detailed look:



1. Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs) - The Current Focus:

• Growing Popularity:
  BEVs are gaining traction as a cleaner alternative to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, offering reduced emissions and lower operating costs.
  
  
• Key Benefits:
  
  • Reduced Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, contributing to cleaner air and reduced greenhouse gas emissions.
    
    
  • Lower Operating Costs: Electricity is often cheaper than gasoline, and EVs require less maintenance than ICE vehicles.
    
    
  • Improved Performance: EVs offer instant torque and quick acceleration, providing a smooth and responsive driving experience.
    
    
• Challenges:
  
  • Range Anxiety: Limited range compared to gasoline vehicles can be a concern for some drivers.
    
    
  • Charging Infrastructure: The availability of charging infrastructure is still a challenge in some areas.
    
    
  • Battery Technology: Current battery technology has limitations in terms of energy density, charging time, and cost.
    
    

2. Other Technologies on the Horizon:

• Fuel Cells:
  
  • Hydrogen Fuel Cells: These vehicles use hydrogen to produce electricity, offering a potentially longer range and faster refueling times than BEVs.
    
    
  • Challenges: The infrastructure for hydrogen refueling is still in its early stages, and the cost of fuel cell technology is high.
    
    
• Advanced Battery Technologies:
  
  • Solid-State Batteries: These batteries offer the potential for higher energy density, faster charging times, and improved safety.
    
    
  • Sodium-Ion Batteries: These batteries use sodium instead of lithium, potentially reducing costs and reliance on rare materials.
    
    
  • Silicon Anode Batteries: These batteries use silicon instead of graphite in the anode, potentially increasing energy density.
    
    
• EV Battery Swapping:
  
  • Battery Swapping Technology: This technology allows drivers to quickly swap out depleted batteries for fully charged ones, potentially eliminating range anxiety and reducing charging times.
    
    

3. The Future of Transportation - A Multi-Technological Approach:

• No Single Solution:
  The future of transportation is likely to be a mix of different technologies, with BEVs, fuel cells, and advanced battery technologies all playing a role.
  
  
• Complementary Technologies:
  Different technologies may be better suited for different applications, such as BEVs for urban commuting and fuel cells for long-distance travel.
  
  
• Continued Innovation:
  Ongoing research and development are crucial for improving battery technology, fuel cell technology, and other transportation technologies.
  
  
• Sustainability:
  The transition to electric and alternative fuel vehicles is essential for reducing emissions and combating climate change.
  

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Look, you mentioned biofuels.
And now you mention Hydrogen.

Biofuels was Bush Jr's ethanol. It caused inflation in other corn based products.
Nobody is focusing on switchgrass fuels.

And hydrogen. Sigh. Look up green vs dirty hydrogen fuel production. Hydrogen cars is not happening to any scale.

It's battery tech that is happening.
Why are you diverting the discussion?

wifeisafurd said:

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concordtom said:

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VW makes good, reliable cars, and is a legacy auto maker, not just a tech company like some others companies I could name,. I'm assuming the new guard of VWs are being made in Tennessee (this is a question - I don't know) and will not be subject to US protectionist impediment (another question - which relates to how much of the car comes from outside the US)? So are they really coming or removed from the US behind tariffs and the like?

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ChatGPT

What manufacturing does ve have in USA, Mex, Canada


Volkswagen has several manufacturing facilities across North America:

- **United States**: VW operates a major plant in **Chattanooga, Tennessee**, where it produces the ID.4 electric SUV, along with internal combustion models like the Atlas and Atlas Cross Sport. This plant is central to Volkswagen's EV production strategy in North America.

- **Mexico**: The company has a large plant in **Puebla**, which is one of VW's biggest facilities outside Germany. This plant manufactures models such as the Jetta, Taos, and Tiguan, as well as the Audi Q5 (since VW owns Audi). The Puebla facility is also being expanded for EV production, with Volkswagen investing nearly $1 billion to modernize it. Additionally, VW has an **engine plant in Silao, Guanajuato**, which produces engines for vehicles assembled in Puebla and Chattanooga [oai_citation:1,Volkswagen to invest nearly US $1B in Mexico to manufacture EVs](https://mexiconewsdaily.com/business/volkswagen-to-invest-us-1b-in-puebla-plant-to-increase-ev-production/).

- **Canada**: Volkswagen is setting up an **EV battery manufacturing plant in Ontario**, specifically in St. Thomas. This facility will focus on producing battery cells for the company's growing EV lineup [oai_citation:2,Volkswagen Group chooses Canada for EV battery cell manufacturing](https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-group-powerco-canada-ev-battery-cell-manufacturing/).

These plants play a crucial role in VW's North American strategy, particularly as the company shifts toward electric vehicle production. Let me know if you need more details!

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Tom, the issue is to what degree VW is subject to tariffs. What yo have here is gibberish that doesn't answer the question.

But keep showing the love to strongest Nazi auto maker of all time.

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Volkswagen Was Already In Trouble. Tariffs Could Make ...InsideEVshttps://insideevs.com News

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It really is not clear the degree VW is impacted yet.

VW depends on EU EV sales which have taken advantage of the recent Tesla sales decline. EVs sales in the EU went down in 2024, and query if the EV market is really increasing. Everyone keeps saying yes, but the results don't show that (people keep having to put in hybrids to cheat the numbers-up). VW needs to improves non-EU sales, as VW keeps saying.

Silver lining: Porsche may switch Taycan production to the US.

concordtom said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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concordtom said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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biofuels?

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ChatGPT

Quote:

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Why are we not seeing biofuels in cars?


Biofuels **do** exist in cars, but they haven't become widespread for several reasons:

### **1. Competition from EVs and Hybrids**
- Automakers have **shifted focus to electric vehicles (EVs)** due to government policies, lower emissions, and advances in battery technology.
- Many countries and companies see **EVs as the future**, so biofuels get less investment.

### **2. Production and Scalability Issues**
- **Ethanol (E85)** and **biodiesel** are common biofuels, but large-scale production **competes with food crops** like corn and soy.
- There are concerns about **land use**, deforestation, and the overall **sustainability** of biofuel farming.

### **3. Fuel Distribution and Compatibility**
- Most gas stations **don't carry high-biofuel blends** like E85.
- While some cars are **flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs)** and can run on ethanol blends, most gasoline cars can only handle up to **10-15% ethanol (E10, E15)**.

### **4. Energy Density and Performance**
- **Ethanol contains ~33% less energy per gallon** than gasoline, meaning lower fuel economy.
- **Biodiesel can gel in cold temperatures**, limiting its use in certain climates.

### **5. Government Policies and Oil Industry Influence**
- Many countries **subsidize electric vehicles more** than biofuels.
- The **oil industry still dominates transportation**, making a full shift to biofuels difficult.

### **Where Biofuels Are Used**
- **Brazil**: Many cars run on **100% ethanol** because of sugarcane-based biofuel.
- **Aviation and shipping**: Biofuels are being explored for **planes and cargo ships** where EVs aren't viable.

### **Conclusion**
Biofuels are technically possible but face **economic, infrastructure, and policy challenges**. With **EVs gaining momentum**, biofuels are mostly used in niche markets rather than mainstream passenger cars.

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Tom, you should try actually thinking about things rather that simply quoting AI. But once again, my AI (Apple) thinks your AI is full of it:


"While battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are a significant step towards a sustainable future, the future of transportation likely won't be solely reliant on them, as other technologies, like fuel cells and advanced battery chemistries, are also being developed and could play a crucial role. (Emphasis added)


Here's a more detailed look:



1. Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs) - The Current Focus:

• Growing Popularity:
  BEVs are gaining traction as a cleaner alternative to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, offering reduced emissions and lower operating costs.
  
  
• Key Benefits:
  
  • Reduced Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, contributing to cleaner air and reduced greenhouse gas emissions.
    
    
  • Lower Operating Costs: Electricity is often cheaper than gasoline, and EVs require less maintenance than ICE vehicles.
    
    
  • Improved Performance: EVs offer instant torque and quick acceleration, providing a smooth and responsive driving experience.
    
    
• Challenges:
  
  • Range Anxiety: Limited range compared to gasoline vehicles can be a concern for some drivers.
    
    
  • Charging Infrastructure: The availability of charging infrastructure is still a challenge in some areas.
    
    
  • Battery Technology: Current battery technology has limitations in terms of energy density, charging time, and cost.
    
    

2. Other Technologies on the Horizon:

• Fuel Cells:
  
  • Hydrogen Fuel Cells: These vehicles use hydrogen to produce electricity, offering a potentially longer range and faster refueling times than BEVs.
    
    
  • Challenges: The infrastructure for hydrogen refueling is still in its early stages, and the cost of fuel cell technology is high.
    
    
• Advanced Battery Technologies:
  
  • Solid-State Batteries: These batteries offer the potential for higher energy density, faster charging times, and improved safety.
    
    
  • Sodium-Ion Batteries: These batteries use sodium instead of lithium, potentially reducing costs and reliance on rare materials.
    
    
  • Silicon Anode Batteries: These batteries use silicon instead of graphite in the anode, potentially increasing energy density.
    
    
• EV Battery Swapping:
  
  • Battery Swapping Technology: This technology allows drivers to quickly swap out depleted batteries for fully charged ones, potentially eliminating range anxiety and reducing charging times.
    
    

3. The Future of Transportation - A Multi-Technological Approach:

• No Single Solution:
  The future of transportation is likely to be a mix of different technologies, with BEVs, fuel cells, and advanced battery technologies all playing a role.
  
  
• Complementary Technologies:
  Different technologies may be better suited for different applications, such as BEVs for urban commuting and fuel cells for long-distance travel.
  
  
• Continued Innovation:
  Ongoing research and development are crucial for improving battery technology, fuel cell technology, and other transportation technologies.
  
  
• Sustainability:
  The transition to electric and alternative fuel vehicles is essential for reducing emissions and combating climate change.
  

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Look, you mentioned biofuels.
And now you mention Hydrogen.

Biofuels was Bush Jr's ethanol. It caused inflation in other corn based products.
Nobody is focusing on switchgrass fuels.

And hydrogen. Sigh. Look up green vs dirty hydrogen fuel production. Hydrogen cars is not happening to any scale.

It's battery tech that is happening.
Why are you diverting the discussion?

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Tom, it is hard to have a discussion with someone that doesn't know what they are talking about. For example, a good portion of the electricity that is used by EVs in California is from biosolids. Yet you seem to be obsessed in putting corn into engines. You need to move beyond chat AI searchers.

With respect to direct uses of biolosids, the research is on using methane or other fuels. For example, a good portion of severel SoCal Counties' car fleets are now using methane power (rather than gas). The sources is from bioiosolids placed in depleted deep subsurface oil and gas formations under a US EPA program, where the earth's high temperature biodegrades the organic compounds to generate methane gas, which can ultimately be used to produce safe renewable energy while the carbon dioxide is sequestered. Just one of many programs (several of which are by UC schools) looking at the use of biofuel techniques.

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biofuels?

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Why are we not seeing biofuels in cars?


Biofuels **do** exist in cars, but they haven't become widespread for several reasons:

### **1. Competition from EVs and Hybrids**
- Automakers have **shifted focus to electric vehicles (EVs)** due to government policies, lower emissions, and advances in battery technology.
- Many countries and companies see **EVs as the future**, so biofuels get less investment.

### **2. Production and Scalability Issues**
- **Ethanol (E85)** and **biodiesel** are common biofuels, but large-scale production **competes with food crops** like corn and soy.
- There are concerns about **land use**, deforestation, and the overall **sustainability** of biofuel farming.

### **3. Fuel Distribution and Compatibility**
- Most gas stations **don't carry high-biofuel blends** like E85.
- While some cars are **flex-fuel vehicles (FFVs)** and can run on ethanol blends, most gasoline cars can only handle up to **10-15% ethanol (E10, E15)**.

### **4. Energy Density and Performance**
- **Ethanol contains ~33% less energy per gallon** than gasoline, meaning lower fuel economy.
- **Biodiesel can gel in cold temperatures**, limiting its use in certain climates.

### **5. Government Policies and Oil Industry Influence**
- Many countries **subsidize electric vehicles more** than biofuels.
- The **oil industry still dominates transportation**, making a full shift to biofuels difficult.

### **Where Biofuels Are Used**
- **Brazil**: Many cars run on **100% ethanol** because of sugarcane-based biofuel.
- **Aviation and shipping**: Biofuels are being explored for **planes and cargo ships** where EVs aren't viable.

### **Conclusion**
Biofuels are technically possible but face **economic, infrastructure, and policy challenges**. With **EVs gaining momentum**, biofuels are mostly used in niche markets rather than mainstream passenger cars.

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Tom, you should try actually thinking about things rather that simply quoting AI. But once again, my AI (Apple) thinks your AI is full of it:


"While battery electric vehicles (BEVs) are a significant step towards a sustainable future, the future of transportation likely won't be solely reliant on them, as other technologies, like fuel cells and advanced battery chemistries, are also being developed and could play a crucial role. (Emphasis added)


Here's a more detailed look:



1. Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs) - The Current Focus:

• Growing Popularity:
  BEVs are gaining traction as a cleaner alternative to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, offering reduced emissions and lower operating costs.
  
  
• Key Benefits:
  
  • Reduced Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, contributing to cleaner air and reduced greenhouse gas emissions.
    
    
  • Lower Operating Costs: Electricity is often cheaper than gasoline, and EVs require less maintenance than ICE vehicles.
    
    
  • Improved Performance: EVs offer instant torque and quick acceleration, providing a smooth and responsive driving experience.
    
    
• Challenges:
  
  • Range Anxiety: Limited range compared to gasoline vehicles can be a concern for some drivers.
    
    
  • Charging Infrastructure: The availability of charging infrastructure is still a challenge in some areas.
    
    
  • Battery Technology: Current battery technology has limitations in terms of energy density, charging time, and cost.
    
    

2. Other Technologies on the Horizon:

• Fuel Cells:
  
  • Hydrogen Fuel Cells: These vehicles use hydrogen to produce electricity, offering a potentially longer range and faster refueling times than BEVs.
    
    
  • Challenges: The infrastructure for hydrogen refueling is still in its early stages, and the cost of fuel cell technology is high.
    
    
• Advanced Battery Technologies:
  
  • Solid-State Batteries: These batteries offer the potential for higher energy density, faster charging times, and improved safety.
    
    
  • Sodium-Ion Batteries: These batteries use sodium instead of lithium, potentially reducing costs and reliance on rare materials.
    
    
  • Silicon Anode Batteries: These batteries use silicon instead of graphite in the anode, potentially increasing energy density.
    
    
• EV Battery Swapping:
  
  • Battery Swapping Technology: This technology allows drivers to quickly swap out depleted batteries for fully charged ones, potentially eliminating range anxiety and reducing charging times.
    
    

3. The Future of Transportation - A Multi-Technological Approach:

• No Single Solution:
  The future of transportation is likely to be a mix of different technologies, with BEVs, fuel cells, and advanced battery technologies all playing a role.
  
  
• Complementary Technologies:
  Different technologies may be better suited for different applications, such as BEVs for urban commuting and fuel cells for long-distance travel.
  
  
• Continued Innovation:
  Ongoing research and development are crucial for improving battery technology, fuel cell technology, and other transportation technologies.
  
  
• Sustainability:
  The transition to electric and alternative fuel vehicles is essential for reducing emissions and combating climate change.
  

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Look, you mentioned biofuels.
And now you mention Hydrogen.

Biofuels was Bush Jr's ethanol. It caused inflation in other corn based products.
Nobody is focusing on switchgrass fuels.

And hydrogen. Sigh. Look up green vs dirty hydrogen fuel production. Hydrogen cars is not happening to any scale.

It's battery tech that is happening.
Why are you diverting the discussion?

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Tom, it is hard to have a discussion with someone that doesn't know what they are talking about. For example, a good portion of the electricity that is used by EVs in California is from biosolids. Yet you seem to be obsessed in putting corn into engines. You need to move beyond chat AI searchers.

With respect to direct uses of biolosids, the research is on using methane or other fuels. For example, a good portion of severel SoCal Counties' car fleets are now using methane power (rather than gas). The sources is from bioiosolids placed in depleted deep subsurface oil and gas formations under a US EPA program, where the earth's high temperature biodegrades the organic compounds to generate methane gas, which can ultimately be used to produce safe renewable energy while the carbon dioxide is sequestered. Just one of many programs (several of which are by UC schools) looking at the use of biofuel techniques.

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Indicating that most researchers don't think EV battery cars wilt be the dominant car in the future is not diverting the discussion. The people who are pushing EV battery cars as the future are in the end all are the people who sell EV battery cars presently.

Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.


Here he says "we are going after them."

We.
As a threat.

Is owning a Tesla a crime? Seems like destroying the private property of an anonymous person might be though. But according to you, "going after" the perpetrators of this senseless violence and destruction, prosecuting them under the law, is a conspiracy on the level of Hitler. Talk about losing the plot.

Btw, can anyone here point to a single liberal denouncing these attacks?

NEW: Las Vegas Metro Police say a search of Tesla firebombing suspect Paul Kim’s social media shows him with potential communist & pro-Palestine affiliations. They say they have a DNA match and showed video of him using a rifle to shoot out surveillance cameras before attack. pic.twitter.com/RykYhLzXEQ

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) March 27, 2025

🚨#BREAKING: Absolutely horrific footage shows 61-year old woman driving her Tesla, being boxed in by another driver, and then being beaten while still inside her car.

The woman was able to fend off the attacker by biting him.

She's now signed up for a gun safety course. pic.twitter.com/m3G1c7KE84

— Matt Van Swol (@matt_vanswol) March 30, 2025

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RT @libsoftiktok: Watch the moment this dude who allegedly vandalized a Tesla is confronted and realizes he’s COOKED pic.twitter.com/EbsB00bvum

— ᴄʜʀɪsᴛᴏᴘʜᴇʀ ᴀʀɴᴇʟʟ (@MrChrisArnell) March 31, 2025

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Tesla Vandalized – Help Identify the Suspect! Man vandalizes a Tesla using a pair of what appears to be pliers.

Please share to find this stupid guy! $TSLApic.twitter.com/rdjhCYdFXL

— TeslaDashCam (@TeslaCamera) March 30, 2025

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TESLA in Ottawa Canada 🇨🇦 being vandalized right now. This is a crime and they should be punished pic.twitter.com/1uBCYLUvW3

— Melissa 🇨🇦 (@MelissaLMRogers) March 31, 2025

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A man was caught on Tesla’s sentry mode causing over $7,000+ in damages by vandalizing 3 different Teslas that were all parked in the same Pinebrook Commons shopping plaza in Bradenton, FL.

All 3 owners are looking to press charges, if you have any information, please DM us. pic.twitter.com/i41qKfeqlv

— Liberacrat™️ (@Liberacrat) March 28, 2025

'

A leftist anti-Tesla protester was arrested for allegedly ramming a Trump supporter with a car in Meridian, Idaho on March 29.

Christopher Talbot has been charged with felony aggravated battery.

The attack happened as part of nationwide anti-Trump and anti-@elonmusk direct… pic.twitter.com/jW8VYPMYj1

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) March 31, 2025

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Multiple @Tesla vehicles were destroyed in Seattle in suspected arson. There have been multiple firebombings and shootings of Tesla stores in the last month. The far-left are urging attacks, knowing that Democrats will look away. Video by @kevinvdahlgren:pic.twitter.com/XuamIW3dQt

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) March 11, 2025

These people should all be pardoned by the next President

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Couldn't agree more. But only after they've had their houses raided by the FBI with guns drawn in the middle of the night. Only after they've served months if not years in jail without bail while being denied care, being beaten and abused by prison guards. And some of them should spend some time in solitary confinement (padded room, of course). Because that's how we treat terrorists, right?

If there is probable cause to arrest someone for breaking the law, they should be arrested. If the prosecution can prove at the preliminary hearing that a reasonable person would believe the defendant committed the crime, then the matter should be held over for trial.

At trial if the prosecution meets it burden of proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt, and the jury convicts (or judge if jury waived), the defendant should be appropriately punished as provided by law. Naturally the convicted defendant has appellate rights.

Politics should play no role in the process and the Presidential pardon should be eliminated.

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Elon Musk has totally shifted from a man of the people, or, working for the well-being of mankind to now he's fighting against the people.


Here he says "we are going after them."

We.
As a threat.

Is owning a Tesla a crime? Seems like destroying the private property of an anonymous person might be though. But according to you, "going after" the perpetrators of this senseless violence and destruction, prosecuting them under the law, is a conspiracy on the level of Hitler. Talk about losing the plot.

Btw, can anyone here point to a single liberal denouncing these attacks?

NEW: Las Vegas Metro Police say a search of Tesla firebombing suspect Paul Kim’s social media shows him with potential communist & pro-Palestine affiliations. They say they have a DNA match and showed video of him using a rifle to shoot out surveillance cameras before attack. pic.twitter.com/RykYhLzXEQ

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) March 27, 2025

🚨#BREAKING: Absolutely horrific footage shows 61-year old woman driving her Tesla, being boxed in by another driver, and then being beaten while still inside her car.

The woman was able to fend off the attacker by biting him.

She's now signed up for a gun safety course. pic.twitter.com/m3G1c7KE84

— Matt Van Swol (@matt_vanswol) March 30, 2025

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RT @libsoftiktok: Watch the moment this dude who allegedly vandalized a Tesla is confronted and realizes he’s COOKED pic.twitter.com/EbsB00bvum

— ᴄʜʀɪsᴛᴏᴘʜᴇʀ ᴀʀɴᴇʟʟ (@MrChrisArnell) March 31, 2025

'

Tesla Vandalized – Help Identify the Suspect! Man vandalizes a Tesla using a pair of what appears to be pliers.

Please share to find this stupid guy! $TSLApic.twitter.com/rdjhCYdFXL

— TeslaDashCam (@TeslaCamera) March 30, 2025

'

TESLA in Ottawa Canada 🇨🇦 being vandalized right now. This is a crime and they should be punished pic.twitter.com/1uBCYLUvW3

— Melissa 🇨🇦 (@MelissaLMRogers) March 31, 2025

'

A man was caught on Tesla’s sentry mode causing over $7,000+ in damages by vandalizing 3 different Teslas that were all parked in the same Pinebrook Commons shopping plaza in Bradenton, FL.

All 3 owners are looking to press charges, if you have any information, please DM us. pic.twitter.com/i41qKfeqlv

— Liberacrat™️ (@Liberacrat) March 28, 2025

'

A leftist anti-Tesla protester was arrested for allegedly ramming a Trump supporter with a car in Meridian, Idaho on March 29.

Christopher Talbot has been charged with felony aggravated battery.

The attack happened as part of nationwide anti-Trump and anti-@elonmusk direct… pic.twitter.com/jW8VYPMYj1

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) March 31, 2025

'

Multiple @Tesla vehicles were destroyed in Seattle in suspected arson. There have been multiple firebombings and shootings of Tesla stores in the last month. The far-left are urging attacks, knowing that Democrats will look away. Video by @kevinvdahlgren:pic.twitter.com/XuamIW3dQt

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) March 11, 2025

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Meh, I vote blue and I choose to look away when I see these videos. One person's criminal is another person's hero. See Jan. 6th.

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

100%. After the last four years, it would be great if we could return to the rule of law, not politics.

That's great. I hope we get there. If you're supporting everything Trump is doing without exception, that's not a good start.

Zippergate said:

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100%. After the last four years, it would be great if we could return to the rule of law, not politics.

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Indeed. We should have rule of law for Tesla owners and for the Venezuelans we shipped off to a Salvadorian gulag.

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Zippergate said:

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100%. After the last four years, it would be great if we could return to the rule of law, not politics.

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Indeed. We should have rule of law for Tesla owners and for the Venezuelans we shipped off to a Salvadorian gulag.

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You'd think the honorable humans behind "Autism Capital" would have spoken up about one of those deportations.

The sympathy here for murderers and pedophiles with no right to be here in the first place is truly touching.

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100%. After the last four years, it would be great if we could return to the rule of law, not politics.

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Says the Jan 6th supporter!

What exactly is a Jan 6th supporter? I've made it clear that to the extent that Jan 6 protesters broke the law, especially if they engaged in violence, they should be prosecuted. The same goes for the Anififa and BLM rioters. Crazy thought, eh? For the tourists who were invited into the capitol building and left when asked to, I don't think they should have been charged with multi-year jail sentences on bogus charges. Btw, I also think that the J6 committee members are criminals who would have been charged if not for autopen pardons.

"I also think that the J6 committee members are criminals who would have been charged if not for autopen pardons."

Which laws do you allege they broke and what are the facts supporting the charges? I personally hope their pardons are set aside. I will look very forward to the criminal prosecutions and the subsequent malicious prosecution actions and disbarment of the prosecutors that exceed the flex of prosecutorial immunity in their handling of the cases.

Once again, this is driven by the same bullsh@it that has fueled every Republican Senate and Congressional Investigation that costs the tax payers millions and always ends up being a bridge to nowhere.

"For the tourists who were invited into the capitol building and left when asked to, I don't think they should have been charged with multi-year jail sentences on bogus charges."
Could you provide a link to this. This is news to me.

Zippergate said:

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The sympathy here for murderers and pedophiles with no right to be here in the first place is truly touching.

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Several of them are not any of those things but were sent to prison anyway, and that's why you need rule of law and due process.

This is nauseating. The Trump admin conceded it sent a migrant with legal status to an El Salvadoran prison bc of an “administrative error”—& there’s nothing they can do.

History won’t look kindly on those who defended this. Utterly inexcusable. This is why due process matters. https://t.co/WtEMRQgsxM

— Billy Binion (@billybinion) April 1, 2025

Zippergate said:

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100%. After the last four years, it would be great if we could return to the rule of law, not politics.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

AND YOU'RE CLOWN PRESIDENT HAS SUGGESTED GIVING COMPENSATION TO JAN. 6TH PROTESTORS WHO HE PARDONED AFTER THEY ASSAULTED AND INJURED 140 POLICE OFFICERS.

DO YOU EVER ACTUALLY READ WHAT YOU POST?

YOU'RE CLEARLY SUFFERING FROM TDS.

TRUMP

DEVOTION

SYNDROME


Donald Trump signals support for compensating pardoned Jan. 6 rioters

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/25trump-floats-possibility-of-compensation-for-jan-6-rioters-00250063

wifeisafurd said:

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Silver lining: Porsche may switch Taycan production to the US.

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Honest question.
Won't that take 2 years to execute?