Israel Just Attacked Iran

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chazzed
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And it's simply comedic gold when he deadpans that he is an independent thinker.
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chazzed said:

And it's simply comedic gold when he deadpans that he is an independent thinker.


Glad you find some levity here and there. Liberal rage retreats work too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/05/08/rage-rituals-women-screaming-woods-why/73595511007/
Cal88
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Trump tearing into Massie is going to backfire badly.

Anarchistbear
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This whole thing is about the TV moment
Big C
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Sounds like Trump is learning on the job: being a "War President" takes the attention away from failing domestic policies.
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tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:

Do y'all know the story called the Doolittle Raid, where US forces attacked mainland Japan 4 months after Pearl Harbor ?
It was a surprise which Japan didn't think possible.

Don't be surprised when Iran lashes back in unique or unknown ways.
Aside from hitting our bases in the region Iran has no choice but to respond with asymmetrical warfare. But it isn't like we created this problem with the attack - they were doing that already. See the news stories about sleeper cells, FBI arrests and one Iranian guy trying to hire someone to assassinate Trump. Also consider their nuclear program - apparently specialized needs for things like medical equipment require 20% uranium. Iran is the only non-nuke country enriching to weapons grade (60%-90%); they have hundreds of centrifuges buried hundred of feet underground below a mountain. We all know what was going on. Plain and simple, Iran is a bad actor.
Iran has been engaged in these asymmetrical and/or proxy tactics for 40+ years, using proxies to attack Americans and American interests. Thousands of Americans have been killed. That is precisely why they cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. For too long, US leaders - of both parties - have ignored Iran's stated intentions and actions advancing those intentions. Hopefully that time is over.

For all the statements issued by various countries, the vast majority of nations (particularly countries in the Middle East like Saudi Arabia) are greatly relieved that the US and Israel are acting to derail the Iran nuclear program. Iran has destabilized the region and hopefully that ends as well.

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Cal88 said:

Trump tearing into Massie is going to backfire badly.



Trump isn't wrong. MAGA is just about whatever Donald Trump wants. If you're against than you're not MAGA. It's the only qualification.
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Anarchistbear said:

This whole thing is about the TV moment


It was all about getting his Obama Situation Room photo:


He would have bombed Lichtenstein if he had to in order to get that photo…..which is going to end up on a T shirt selling for $65 and he will autograph the photo and put it in the trophy case with all the trophies of the club championships he allegedly won.
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Big C said:


Sounds like Trump is learning on the job: being a "War President" takes the attention away from failing domestic policies.

But it is missing rounds of golf that really fries his @$$.
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Trump tearing into Massie is going to backfire badly.



Trump isn't wrong. MAGA is just about whatever Donald Trump wants. If you're against than you're not MAGA. It's the only qualification.

You do have a cult of personality in there, but that is not the end all be all. Trump launched his entire political career by attacking Jeb on the Forever War Bush legacy, he can't do a 180 without paying a heavy political price.
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Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Trump tearing into Massie is going to backfire badly.



Trump isn't wrong. MAGA is just about whatever Donald Trump wants. If you're against than you're not MAGA. It's the only qualification.

You do have a cult of personality in there, but that is not the end all be all. Trump launched his entire political career by attacking Jeb on the Forever War Bush legacy, he can't do a 180 without paying a heavy political price.

At least 90% will fall in line.
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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Trump tearing into Massie is going to backfire badly.



Trump isn't wrong. MAGA is just about whatever Donald Trump wants. If you're against than you're not MAGA. It's the only qualification.

You do have a cult of personality in there, but that is not the end all be all. Trump launched his entire political career by attacking Jeb on the Forever War Bush legacy, he can't do a 180 without paying a heavy political price.

At least 90% will fall in line.

More like 50-60%, and om that subject Trump can count on the majority of Democrats in Congress.
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Cal88 said:


You do have a cult of personality………..


Post theme song:


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What are some other signs that 47 didn't think things through?
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bearister said:

Anarchistbear said:

This whole thing is about the TV moment


It was all about getting his Obama Situation Room photo:


He would have bombed Lichtenstein if he had to in order to get that photo…..which is going to end up on a T shirt selling for $65 and he will autograph the photo and put it in the trophy case with all the trophies of the club championships he allegedly won.

The Orange Man in the situation room looks like he's still on The Apprentice.

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Classic Trump, says strikes are one and done while calling for regime change
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Anarchistbear said:

Classic Trump, says strikes are one and done while calling for regime change

Yup.

He sounds more and more like the neocon that he is.
MAGA got thoroughly DUPED.

Trump suggests regime change in Iran hours after Vance and Hegseth insisted that was not the plan

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sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Trump tearing into Massie is going to backfire badly.



Trump isn't wrong. MAGA is just about whatever Donald Trump wants. If you're against than you're not MAGA. It's the only qualification.

You do have a cult of personality in there, but that is not the end all be all. Trump launched his entire political career by attacking Jeb on the Forever War Bush legacy, he can't do a 180 without paying a heavy political price.

At least 90% will fall in line.
Or perhaps most people understand there's a difference between bombing a country to prevent nuclear proliferation (and other similar military actions) vs launching a nation building war? Being against "forever war" doesn't mean foregoing all military action.

Trump has said for more than a decade that preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon was a vital American interest. Trump electing to bomb is not surprising, as much as you and other Israel haters try to pin this on Netanyahu.

A healthy majority of Americans - from both parties - agree that Iran should not have nuke.

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Anarchistbear said:

Classic Trump, says strikes are one and done while calling for regime change


Israeli puppet, Donald Trump, has to adjust his stance after his failed strike
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DiabloWags said:

Anarchistbear said:

Classic Trump, says strikes are one and done while calling for regime change

Yup.

He sounds more and more like the neocon that he is.
MAGA got thoroughly DUPED.

Trump suggests regime change in Iran hours after Vance and Hegseth insisted that was not the plan


Trump knows exactly how to play people like you and the media.

There is an obvious distinction between Trump saying Iran would be benefitted by regime change vs Trump saying that is his goal or, more importantly, that he intends to cause it. The bombs targeted nuclear sites. Trump has called for the resumption of negotiations.

In a perfect world, the Iranian people (or perhaps sensible elements of the military, if those exist), get rid of the the Mullahs. Trump admin has not said that is required to reach a deal.
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The Iranian parliament just voted to close the Straits of Hormuz. As expected.

We're about to see if Trump really knows how to play 4D-chess.

My guess is that yet another military "response" is forthcoming.

This is a major "choke" point for oil getting out of the Persian Gulf.

We're talking 1/5th of global oil supplies and 1/3rd of LNG.

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This ain't my fault
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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dajo9 said:

Anarchistbear said:

Classic Trump, says strikes are one and done while calling for regime change


Israeli puppet, Donald Trump, has to adjust his stance after his failed strike


He doesn't, though, because up is down and left is right in the MAGAverse.

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Anyone that really knows this issue please point out where AI has this wrong or incomplete. Thanks.

AI Overview:

"While Iran has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz on several occasions and has the capabilities to disrupt maritime traffic in the strait, it is unlikely to be able to effectively close it for a prolonged period.
Here's why:
Strong International Response: Any attempt by Iran to block the Strait of Hormuz would likely trigger a swift and strong military response from the United States and other international naval forces present in the region. The US Fifth Fleet is stationed in Bahrain and tasked with keeping the strait open.

Self-Inflicted Economic Harm: Closing the strait would severely impact Iran's own economy by halting its oil exports, a crucial source of revenue. This action would be considered economically suicidal.

Alienation of Key Partners: Such a move would also antagonize countries like China, Iran's biggest oil buyer, which would suffer significant economic consequences from a strait closure.

Iran's Past Behavior: Although Iran has targeted commercial vessels and US Navy ships in the past during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, these actions didn't completely block the strait. Since then, Iran has not attempted to fully blockade the strait.

Possible methods Iran could use to disrupt the strait (although likely not fully close it):
Deploying naval mines.
Launching anti-ship missiles from coastal batteries.
Harassing ships with patrol boats or helicopters.
Using drones or submarines.

Potential consequences of disruption:
Spike in oil prices: Even a partial closure or harassment in the strait could cause oil prices to spike, as around 20% of global oil trade passes through this waterway.

Economic disruption: This price surge could negatively impact global and potentially the US economy.

Military escalation: Any interference with navigation in the strait risks a significant military response from the US and its allies.

In conclusion: While Iran can pose a threat to shipping in the Strait of Hormuz and potentially disrupt traffic for a limited time, a full and effective closure for an extended period is highly improbable given the potential international backlash and severe economic consequences for Iran itself."

*I realize this AI analysis was generated before the American attack. Iran may now be in kamikaze mode and feel the guardrails are gone.

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chazzed said:

What are some other signs that 47 didn't think things through?

China gets a large percentage of their oil from Iran as opposed to the U.S. It's actually in their best interests to cooperate with the U.S. on this.
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BearGoggles said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

Trump tearing into Massie is going to backfire badly.



Trump isn't wrong. MAGA is just about whatever Donald Trump wants. If you're against than you're not MAGA. It's the only qualification.

You do have a cult of personality in there, but that is not the end all be all. Trump launched his entire political career by attacking Jeb on the Forever War Bush legacy, he can't do a 180 without paying a heavy political price.

At least 90% will fall in line.
Or perhaps most people understand there's a difference between bombing a country to prevent nuclear proliferation (and other similar military actions) vs launching a nation building war? Being against "forever war" doesn't mean foregoing all military action.

Trump has said for more than a decade that preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon was a vital American interest. Trump electing to bomb is not surprising, as much as you and other Israel haters try to pin this on Netanyahu.

So here's the thing: with these guys (Trump and Bibi) running the show, I have very low confidence that this won't turn into more. If you want to actually prevent Iran from getting nukes it will require more than one bombing. But hey, maybe they'll surprise me with a great plan. Here's hoping!
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DiabloWags said:

A non-stop 18-hour flight from Missouri on Friday.

The "reported" flights of B-2's to Guam were an intentional effort to misdirect attention.
They were decoys flying toward Guam in the Western Pacific.

The B-2's to Guam were a misdirection play and also a warning for the CCP and North Korea.
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DiabloWags said:

Anarchistbear said:

Classic Trump, says strikes are one and done while calling for regime change

Yup.

He sounds more and more like the neocon that he is.
MAGA got thoroughly DUPED.

Trump suggests regime change in Iran hours after Vance and Hegseth insisted that was not the plan


You've accused Trump of being an isolationist and now he's a neocon? It looks like you're being duped again.
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Magat brain

https://bsky.app/profile/rpsagainsttrump.bsky.social/post/3lsaglbvvrk22
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Cal88 said:

Trump tearing into Massie is going to backfire badly.

Maybe or maybe not.

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DiabloWags said:

The Iranian parliament just voted to close the Straits of Hormuz. As expected.

We're about to see if Trump really knows how to play 4D-chess.

My guess is that yet another military "response" is forthcoming.

This is a major "choke" point for oil getting out of the Persian Gulf.

We're talking 1/5th of global oil supplies and 1/3rd of LNG.

Oooh. Are the Iranians going to ask the Houthis rebels to attack the U.S. Navy again?
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bear2034 said:


You've accused Trump of being an isolationist and now he's a neocon? It looks like you're being duped again.


I didnt vote for AMERICA FIRST.
You did.

And you and your movie "buddy" got duped.
Shocker.

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I voted for Trump, you voted for Chris Christie and lost...again.
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2034 said:


Oooh. Are the Iranians going to ask the Houthis rebels to attack the U.S. Navy again?


I couldnt help but notice that you didnt post during the day yesterday, or today . . . even during one of the biggest military operations in over 20 years.

Are you only working the night shift now?
Or still waiting for your "talking" points?
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I already have a stalker, no thank you.
 
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