Iran. Oh, the irony...

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In reply to bearister • 10:42p, 2/28/26
bearister said:
Would anyone here like to take a crack at explaining to the skeptical among us that they should not fear that the attack on Iran will end up being a rinse and repeat of the Iraq and Afghanistan incursions?





I think the new boss will be the same as the old boss. Good piece in atlantic today which argued that the rev guard is one that holds power and that clerics have been window dressing for at least past 2 decades. Problem will be then what.
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In reply to chazzed • 10:49p, 2/28/26
Very dishonest post. This is before the attack and Trump didn't kill children. Iran did. There are very clear images of the missile Iran launched falling straight back down on themselves
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In reply to bearister • 10:51p, 2/28/26
It was well planned and well executed. Khamenei was killed within hours, if not minutes, after the attack started. There are no boots on the ground.

The rest is a wait and see situation
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In reply to dajo9 • 12:09a, 3/1/26
Lol
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 5:59a, 3/1/26
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It is always 1939 when you want to sell the next chapter of Forever War to a gullible audience (see also Ukraine).

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:09a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
Very dishonest post. This is before the attack and Trump didn't kill children. Iran did.


You're a bit behind here, the midbrow neocon infoslop machine has already moved on to stage 2.

Stage 1 : it wasn't us that bombed the hospital/school/refugee encampment, it was the brown people
Stage 2 : they had it coming, it was a HAMAS outpost. Those brown kids were going to grow into terrorists.




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There are very clear images of the missile Iran launched falling straight back down on themselves


This one is 95% ignorance and only 5% bad faith, so a bit less annoying than your usual score.
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:22a, 3/1/26
When have I ever said anything about supporting the war in Ukraine?
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:22a, 3/1/26
First I'll say that it's awful children died, in a school no less. There are images showing the missile going up and coming right back down. Even if that wasn't true, which everything I've seen says it is, Iran had military installments surrounding the school site as well as moving military personnel and equipment into schools in other places.

Your blind hatred for Israel and Trump aren't helping you here.

Bro you just posted a video from 2020 in another thread claiming it was from right now. Please don't preach to me about being ignorant.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:23a, 3/1/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
MinotStateBeav said:
I'll be honest, I am concerned about the Iranian people taking power following the bombing/strikes, because I think besides the internal threats, the outside threats looking to secure power will be the most dangerous, how does Iran stabilize without border security?

All legitimate concerns. But not today.




Scenes that you won't see in your neocon info bubble:


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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:24a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
When have I ever said anything about supporting the war in Ukraine?


100% bad faith
0% ignorance
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:26a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
Bro you just posted a video from 2020 claiming it was from right now. Please don't preach to me about being ignorant.


Apparently yes, these people were mourning the killing of general Souleimani in 2020. Moot point though, do you think these pro-regime mourners have switched sides in 2026?

The other videos above are from today though.
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:26a, 3/1/26
Again I'll ask, when?

You use this line when you don't have an answer or know you're wrong
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:28a, 3/1/26
Cal88 said:
BearlySane88 said:
Bro you just posted a video from 2020 claiming it was from right now. Please don't preach to me about being ignorant.


Apparently yes, these people were mourning the killing of general Souleimani in 2020.


100% bad faith 100% ignorance
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:29a, 3/1/26
As I responded in the other thread that you posted the video with false claims, I'm fully aware that after 47 years of indoctrination people aren't going to switch up over night. Not sure what your point is because I've never claimed otherwise
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:31a, 3/1/26
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
MinotStateBeav said:
I'll be honest, I am concerned about the Iranian people taking power following the bombing/strikes, because I think besides the internal threats, the outside threats looking to secure power will be the most dangerous, how does Iran stabilize without border security?

All legitimate concerns. But not today.




Scenes that you won't see in your neocon info bubble:



Based on your previous post, this top video is also likely from 2020.

And after some research it is in fact from 2020. You're struggling on your fact checking today buddy
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:32a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
Cal88 said:
BearlySane88 said:
Bro you just posted a video from 2020 claiming it was from right now. Please don't preach to me about being ignorant.


Apparently yes, these people were mourning the killing of general Souleimani in 2020.


100% bad faith 100% ignorance


I hope math or stats isn't one of the subjects you teach.
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:34a, 3/1/26
No that's just how foolish your post was claiming it was from 2026.

And now another one. Man you need to do better pushing your propaganda
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:38a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
MinotStateBeav said:
I'll be honest, I am concerned about the Iranian people taking power following the bombing/strikes, because I think besides the internal threats, the outside threats looking to secure power will be the most dangerous, how does Iran stabilize without border security?

All legitimate concerns. But not today.




Scenes that you won't see in your neocon info bubble:



Based on your previous post, this top video is also likely from 2020


98% incompetence
2% bad faith

You can see in the video the mourners brandishing the portrait of Khameinei.
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In reply to Cal88 • 6:40a, 3/1/26
Cal88 said:
BearlySane88 said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
MinotStateBeav said:
I'll be honest, I am concerned about the Iranian people taking power following the bombing/strikes, because I think besides the internal threats, the outside threats looking to secure power will be the most dangerous, how does Iran stabilize without border security?

All legitimate concerns. But not today.




Scenes that you won't see in your neocon info bubble:



Based on your previous post, this top video is also likely from 2020


98% incompetence
2% bad faith

You can see in the video the mourners brandishing the portrait of Khameinei.



All the videos you posted were from 2020. This is hilarious, how much is Iran paying you?

"No, the videos attached to that X post from The Cradle are not from 2026. They appear to be recycled footage from earlier large-scale gatherings in Iran, most likely Qasem Soleimani's funeral in January 2020. The visual elementsdense crowds in black attire filling Tehran streets and squares, Iranian flags, raised fists, and anti-American bannersmatch archived aerial and ground-level shots from that event, which drew millions and featured similar anti-US chants and mobilization.

This aligns with documented patterns where pro-regime or aligned media outlets, including those covering West Asian geopolitics, have repurposed Soleimani funeral footage to depict current support or mourning, as seen in fact-checks from sources like Vishvas News, Misbar, and Euronews reporting on such misuse in other contexts."
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 6:42a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
It was well planned and well executed. Khamenei was killed within hours, if not minutes, after the attack started. There are no boots on the ground.

The rest is a wait and see situation


As to the planning, I hope you are right, but I am concerned on that issue since this Administration has been famous for being long on bluster and rhetoric and short on details.

I am also concerned about so many resignations/firings of the most competent people in our military.

Israel is capable of proper planning and execution in this area so maybe it will work out. My friend since high school has a son on a ship over there.

No boots on the ground? Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine had more than a few bombs dropped on them. You can't prevail in invasions/incursions/police actions/wars like this without boots on the ground. Iran would prove to be the meat grinder of all meat grinders in a land invasion. Just ask Iraq about it's dust up with Iran.

Yes, wait and see, let's hope it works out.
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In reply to bearister • 6:45a, 3/1/26
bearister said:
BearlySane88 said:
It was well planned and well executed. Khamenei was killed within hours, if not minutes, after the attack started. There are no boots on the ground.

The rest is a wait and see situation


As to the planning, I hope your right, but I am concerned on that issue since this Administration has been famous for being long on bluster and rhetoric and short on details.
I am also concerned of so many resignations/firings of the most competent people in our military.

Israel is capable of proper planning and execution in this area so maybe it will work out. My friend since high school has a son on a ship over there.

No boots on the ground? Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine had more than a few bombs dropped on them. You can't prevail in invasions/incursions/police actions/wars like this without boots on the ground. Iran would prove to be the meat grinder of all meat grinders in a land invasion. Just ask Iraq about there dust up with Iran.

Yes, wait and see, let's hope it works out. My friend since


I'm not one who was calling for this action. I don't know what other avenues could have been taken to avoid this but I do know I don't want Iran having nukes. I also have no desire to see American military step foot in Iran. I hope that doesn't happen. As of now, I support this military action but obviously am tentative to say this was the right move and will be even more skeptical if this drags on and on.

I will pray your friends son and all sons and daughters don't get put in a lose lose situation.
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6:58a, 3/1/26
Maybe Trump will start seizing oil tankers from Iran.
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In reply to concordtom • 6:59a, 3/1/26
Iran already shot one of their own and it's currently sinking
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:01a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
Cal88 said:
BearlySane88 said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
MinotStateBeav said:
I'll be honest, I am concerned about the Iranian people taking power following the bombing/strikes, because I think besides the internal threats, the outside threats looking to secure power will be the most dangerous, how does Iran stabilize without border security?

All legitimate concerns. But not today.




Scenes that you won't see in your neocon info bubble:



Based on your previous post, this top video is also likely from 2020


98% incompetence
2% bad faith

You can see in the video the mourners brandishing the portrait of Khameinei.



All the videos you posted were from 2020. This is hilarious, how much is Iran paying you?

"No, the videos attached to that X post from The Cradle are not from 2026. They appear to be recycled footage from earlier large-scale gatherings in Iran, most likely Qasem Soleimani's funeral in January 2020. The visual elementsdense crowds in black attire filling Tehran streets and squares, Iranian flags, raised fists, and anti-American bannersmatch archived aerial and ground-level shots from that event, which drew millions and featured similar anti-US chants and mobilization.

This aligns with documented patterns where pro-regime or aligned media outlets, including those covering West Asian geopolitics, have repurposed Soleimani funeral footage to depict current support or mourning, as seen in fact-checks from sources like Vishvas News, Misbar, and Euronews reporting on such misuse in other contexts."



It's pretty simple.

You AI slop says that the videos were from 2020, of the mourning of slained general Soleimani.



The portraits brandished by the mourners in the video are of the guy who was just killed yesterday, and none of the guy who was killed in 2020.

Your source is 100% bad faith, don't double down on that, otherwise your own bad faith score is going to blow up.


If you want to skip silly internet back and forths and talk seriously about Iran, here is a very helpful quick background and timeline, from a source you would probably trust on a range of issues:



> 70 years ago, Iran looked just like any Western country.
> Short skirts, rock'n'roll, open universities.
> It's 1953. Iran elects a secular socialist: Mohammad Mossadegh.
> He nationalizes oil. That pisses off BP.
> Cold War excuse.
> CIA and MI6 stage a coup. Operation Ajax.
> Mossadegh is overthrown.
> They install the Shah, a brutal US-backed dictator.
> Secret police. Torture chambers.
> Iran turns into a puppet state.
> People are that desperate, they turn to Khomeini, an exiled cleric, promising independence and dignity.
> 1979: Islamic Revolution.
> The Shah flees.
> US embassy stormed. Hostage crisis.
> America never forgives.
> Arms Saddam Hussein.
> Iraq invades Iran.
> US provides chemical weapons, satellite intel, logistics.
> 1 million Iranians die.
> Iranian kids sent into minefields with plastic keys around their necks.
> US shoots down Iran Air Flight 655
> 290 civilians dead.
> No apology.
> Fast forward today, Israel attacks Iran.
> The U.S. immediately says "we stand with Israel."
> They talk about "regime change."
> They say that Iranians "deserve freedom."
> No mention of the coup they started.
> No mention of the dictator they installed.
> No mention of the war they fueled.
> No mention of the decades of sanctions and sabotage.
> They created the monster, and now they attacked it because it was still breathing.
> Watch who they try to put on the throne next.
> The son of the Shah is already being presented as the "alternative."
> The same dynasty.
> The same foreign backing.
>The same promises of stability.
> History will repeats itself.
> And it's not gonna end well.
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:07a, 3/1/26
Wanna know how much I care about you scoring me, 0%. Especially after you've posted multiple videos that aren't even from 2026. Putin and his Iranian proxies must be sending you monthly checks
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:16a, 3/1/26
**No, @TheCradleMedia (The Cradle) is not generally considered a highly reliable source**

It has faced platform restrictions, including a permanent ban from Meta (Facebook/Instagram) in 2024 for allegedly violating policies on praising terrorist organizations or inciting violence
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:30a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
Wanna know how much I care about you scoring me, 0%. Especially after you've posted multiple videos that aren't even from 2026. Putin and his Iranian proxies must be sending you monthly checks


What's far worse here, is that an actual middle school is sending you monthly checks, I can only imagine the damage you are inflicting on those young minds.
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:33a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
**No, @TheCradleMedia (The Cradle) is not generally considered a highly reliable source**

It has faced platform restrictions, including a permanent ban from Meta (Facebook/Instagram) in 2024 for allegedly violating policies on praising terrorist organizations or inciting violence



It makes you wonder why popular mobilisations with hundreds of thousands of people in support of the Iranian government, both from 2020 and from 2026, are not being covered in the MSM.

Not that Facebook ever engages in censorship and algo manipulation, of course...
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7:42a, 3/1/26
Beware the retaliation and/or repercussions.



… retired Admiral James Stavridis, former NATO supreme allied commander, told CNN on Saturday that Iran has two options. One is to continue launching missiles at the current tempo and hunker down.

"Option two: if they truly believe they're at the end of the string, they could go big and that would mean closing the Strait of Hormuz, conducting terrorist attacks against American diplomats, businessmen and citizens in the region and elsewhere," he added. "They could unleash what's left of their proxies, notably the Houthis who could try to shut down shipping again through the Suez Canal. So they have a lot of cards still to play."

Energy analysts have warned that closing the Strait of Hormuz, through which about 20% of the world's oil passes, could send Brent crude prices soaring to $100 a barrel.

Before the U.S. and Israel launched airstrikes, Iran conducted military exercises near the strait to demonstrate that threat, though there are no indications yet that it is attempting to do so now.

Initial U.S. airstrikes on Saturday also reportedly targeted Iranian naval assets in the Persian Gulf, potentially degrading Tehran's ability to shut down the strait. Trump vowed to obliterate Iran's navy.

Stavridis also recalled teachings from ancient Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu, who counseled finding a way out of conflicts without actually fightingbut fighting when on "death ground."

"I think the Iranian leadership may feel they are on death ground. I'd look for them to go big," he predicted.

Meanwhile, Colin Clarke, executive director of the Soufan Center security advisory firm, also warned that Iran could resort to extreme measures to retaliate, including terrorism.

"For Iran, this war is existential. And because it is, I would fully expect Tehran to activate any sleeper cell capacity it has in the West to make this painful for the U.S. & Israel. Hezbollah and other assets could very well seek to conduct attacks in Europe, North America, etc.," he posted on X.

Thomas Warrick , a scholar at the Atlantic Council and a former deputy assistant secretary for counterterrorism policy in the Department of Homeland Security, similarly raised the possibility that Iran will use "asymmetric" tactics against the U.S.


(The US burned through more of its limited Tomahawk stockpile in strikes on Iran. It might need them in a war with China.)


In a blog post, he said the regime will likely target Trump and other top U.S. officials, putting pressure on the FBI, Secret Service, and Capitol Police.

"Iran will try every cyber trick it can mount, testing the Department of Homeland Security, the private sector, and U.S. cyber defenses," Warrick added. "Iran tried in the past, unsuccessfully, to meddle in U.S. elections, and would almost certainly fail to have any impact this time. Even though the United States imports very little oil from the Middle East, energy prices may spike, setting back the U.S. economy."

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7:50a, 3/1/26
Funny to watch the same bad actor argue with a new combatant here.

The point must be learned: it's pointless to get in the mud with a pig.
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:52a, 3/1/26
Sigh. Cope harder, troll. After your videos were proven to be not what you said they are, now you're on the attack. Grow up.
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In reply to concordtom • 7:53a, 3/1/26
You do realize the videos he posted were blatant lies right? Lol. Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't make me a bad actor. This is what's wrong with our political sphere.
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In reply to Cal88 • 7:53a, 3/1/26
Ask your handlers, I'm sure they will give you the new talking points
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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:11a, 3/1/26
BearlySane88 said:
**No, @TheCradleMedia (The Cradle) is not generally considered a highly reliable source**

It has faced platform restrictions, including a permanent ban from Meta (Facebook/Instagram) in 2024 for allegedly violating policies on praising terrorist organizations or inciting violence


Try that filter on any of your usual sources, lol.

80% bad faith
20% cluelsness
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