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10:55a, 8/29/26

Thank You President Trump!

At least 6,000 sailors remain stranded aboard hundreds of ships in the Persian Gulf six months into the war with Iran, according to the United Nations' maritime agency.

The International Maritime Organization said Friday that 19 seafarers have been killed since the conflict began Feb. 28.

At least 70 attacks on international shipping have also been recorded in the Persian Gulf during the war, according to the agency.

The disruption comes as shipping through the Strait of Hormuz remains well below normal levels despite U.S. efforts to secure the critical waterway.

Before the war, roughly 20% of the world's traded oil and natural gas passed through the Strait of Hormuz.

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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:15a, 8/29/26

DiabloWags said:
Thank You President Trump!
At least 6,000 sailors remain stranded aboard hundreds of ships in the Persian Gulf six months into the war with Iran, according to the United Nations' maritime agency.

singalong time, cautioning sailors instead of cowboys. # gitty up

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:18p, 8/29/26

BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

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In reply to cbbass1 • 8:25p, 8/29/26

cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

I don't need to repeat myself over and over, you can read my post history if you'd like that answer again.

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In reply to cbbass1 • 8:58p, 8/29/26

cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

It was never about nuclear war on America, it is about Israel losing its nuclear monopoly and escalatory dominance over the region.

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 12:20a, 8/30/26

BearlySane88 said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong. I live in the Bay Area bro, my bubble is liberal lol.

We can start with, "That goal [of opening the Strait of Hormuz] is nearly achieved."

There's factual information to be had. That ain't it.

What other Iranian propaganda are you buying?

🚨 The Islamic Republic’s massive Hormuz minefield was largely a bluff built on decoys, while even the real mines were reportedly poorly deployed.

According to reporting cited by @SullyCNBC, shipowners said many suspected mines were decoys, including inflated trash bags.… https://t.co/P3utCb9fvC pic.twitter.com/vemorGd15f
— The Iran Watcher (@TheIranWatcher) August 28, 2026

Why would you believe anything from CNBC, the UK, or the U.S. military?

The Iranians have been infinitely more reasonable, consistent, and truthful.

Iran made extensive use of decoys, especially in the early days of the conflict after 2/28. U.S. & Israeli fighter pilots thought they'd taken out most of Iran's missile launchers; in reality, they'd wasted precious ammo, and fuel, to take out decoys.

So I have no doubt that some of Iran's mines are decoys. But -- are ALL decoys??

I'm not the one who needs convincing.

This won't convince the insurers. They know that the IRGC has drones, missiles, underwater drones & even artillery to "discourage" ships from going thru. They aren't counting on one weapon alone.

This is another desperate attempt at lying to the American People, and manipulating markets.

Are you getting tired of "winning" yet?

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In reply to cbbass1 • 8:12a, 8/30/26

cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

You didnt miss anything. That is a failed excuse for Trump's failed war of choice.

Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist

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In reply to cbbass1 • 9:54a, 8/30/26

cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

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In reply to DiabloWags • 10:55a, 8/30/26

DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

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In reply to oski003 • 10:56a, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

Same reasons we invaded Iraq.

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In reply to sycasey • 11:01a, 8/30/26

sycasey said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

Same reasons we invaded Iraq.

With the main difference being the shear amount of terror Iran organizes and funds in the Middle East. We have fought their proxies for years before this war started.

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In reply to oski003 • 11:17a, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

1) North Korea has nukes.

2) Kim Jung Un tortured an American to death.

3) Trump defended Kim Jung Un and doesnt care.

https://abcnews.com/Politics/trump-defends-kim-jong-death-american-student-otto/story?id=61383424

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In reply to oski003 • 11:37a, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
sycasey said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

Same reasons we invaded Iraq.

With the main difference being the shear amount of terror Iran organizes and funds in the Middle East. We have fought their proxies for years before this war started.

Where were we fighting their proxies?

Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist

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dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
sycasey said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

Same reasons we invaded Iraq.

With the main difference being the shear amount of terror Iran organizes and funds in the Middle East. We have fought their proxies for years before this war started.

Where were we fighting their proxies?

in the Middle East. They terrorize trade routes and our ally Israel, amongst other things.

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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:44a, 8/30/26

DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

1) North Korea has nukes.

2) Kim Jung Un tortured an American to death.

3) Trump defended Kim Jung Un and doesnt care.

https://abcnews.com/Politics/trump-defends-kim-jong-death-american-student-otto/story?id=61383424

Very weird statement to make as the main differentiating factor is literally in the post above yours.

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In reply to oski003 • 11:53a, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

1) North Korea has nukes.

2) Kim Jung Un tortured an American to death.

3) Trump defended Kim Jung Un and doesnt care.

https://abcnews.com/Politics/trump-defends-kim-jong-death-american-student-otto/story?id=61383424

Very weird statement to make as the main differentiating factor is literally in the post above yours.

I dont find it weird at all.

Especially given Dajo's previous post which you dont seem to give any due consideration ... and given that Trump and Hegseth said we had OBLITERATED IRAN'S NUCLEAR CAPABILITY A YEAR AGO.

We're they wrong about that?

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In reply to DiabloWags • 12:09p, 8/30/26

DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

1) North Korea has nukes.

2) Kim Jung Un tortured an American to death.

3) Trump defended Kim Jung Un and doesnt care.

https://abcnews.com/Politics/trump-defends-kim-jong-death-american-student-otto/story?id=61383424

Very weird statement to make as the main differentiating factor is literally in the post above yours.

I dont find it weird at all.

Especially given Dajo's previous post which you dont seem to give any due consideration ... and given that Trump and Hegseth said we had OBLITERATED IRAN'S NUCLEAR CAPABILITY A YEAR AGO.

We're they wrong about that?

Try to read every post instead of completely missing things. The claim that we recently knocked out their nuclear abilities is a new argument to this current conversation and a good one.

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In reply to oski003 • 1:29p, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
sycasey said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

Same reasons we invaded Iraq.

With the main difference being the shear amount of terror Iran organizes and funds in the Middle East. We have fought their proxies for years before this war started.

Where were we fighting their proxies?

in the Middle East. They terrorize trade routes and our ally Israel, amongst other things.

So we sent our military to almost the other side of the planet and found that some people their fought us. I imagine if a Middle Eastern country invaded Canada they would find themselves fighting American "proxies".

Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist

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In reply to oski003 • 3:30p, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
sycasey said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
cbbass1 said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
sycasey said:
BearlySane88 said:
Big C said:
BearlySane88 said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
DiabloWags said:
TrumpBear said:
dajo9 said:

In June, July, and August, and before, Trump said we already won the war.

He was correct. Time was still needed but the war is over and has been.

And yet Trump hasn't achieved any goals involving regime change or nuclear disarmament.
The goalposts kept getting moved to the point where there is no winning.

You're measuring success against regime change, which was never an official objective, and complete nuclear disarmament, which is broader than Trump's stated goal of preventing an Iranian bomb. Iran's military, naval and proxy capabilities have been substantially degraded, so claiming "nothing was achieved" is absolutely overstated.

I'm afraid you're terribly mistaken.
Regime change was clearly an official objective.

Trump says new call for regime change in Iran justified by 'imminent threats' to US - ABC News

Trump Talks Regime Change in Iran After Strikes, But History Shows That Could be Very Hard

You would be terribly mistaken, according to AI. He spoke about it but it was never made it an official objective.

Regime change was never an official U.S. war objective. Trump encouraged Iranians to challenge their government, but when initially explaining the campaign he identified preventing an Iranian nuclear weapon and degrading its missile program, not overthrowing the regime.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-says-he-ordered-iran-strikes-thwart-tehrans-missile-program-2026-03-02/

Yeah, at the beginning of the war the official goal was clearly stated: Open up the Strait of Hormuz!

Oh wait...

And that goal is nearly achieved.

Soon we will all be able to congratulate the government for getting something we already had before the war started!

We did not have control of the strait before hand so I don't understand your post.

No one needed to control it because no one was trying to block it . . . until we decided to start a war.

A country was threatening nuclear war on America before we started a war too. Now they are in shambles and we control the strait. Win win win.

Who was threatening nuclear war on America?? Did I miss something??

No one was threatening nuclear war on America.
You didn't miss anything.

The "little-excursion" that wasnt supposed to take more than a few weeks is now on week #24.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-war-six-months-anniversary-israel-3c4d33b09fdbe19928781c678aa025c9

1) The Iranian government chants, "Death to America."

2) Iran has been developing nukes for years.

Same reasons we invaded Iraq.

With the main difference being the shear amount of terror Iran organizes and funds in the Middle East. We have fought their proxies for years before this war started.

Where were we fighting their proxies?

in the Middle East. They terrorize trade routes and our ally Israel, amongst other things.

This post is pretty noteworthy because it has an element of truth, we started this war against Iran on Israel's behalf, as confirmed by policy insiders like Kent.

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4:24p, 8/30/26

Secret shipping lanes, night runs… looks like a lot more oil has been getting through than originally charter.

Kpler, which for months now has been cited by everyone in the media showing that “no secret tankers exist” has quietly updated their methodology RETROACTIVELY and magically found nearly a billion barrels of oil they missed

Just incredible stuff pic.twitter.com/WYyrwC1thb
— Latinx Adjacent Doctor PhD (@TonerousHyus) August 30, 2026

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In reply to oski003 • 5:29p, 8/30/26

oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 5:51p, 8/30/26

BearlySane88 said:
Secret shipping lanes, night runs… looks like a lot more oil has been getting through than originally charter.

Kpler, which for months now has been cited by everyone in the media showing that “no secret tankers exist” has quietly updated their methodology RETROACTIVELY and magically found nearly a billion barrels of oil they missed

Just incredible stuff pic.twitter.com/WYyrwC1thb
— Latinx Adjacent Doctor PhD (@TonerousHyus) August 30, 2026

Those "upgraded" figures still show a drop of over 80% to 90% from prewar traffic.

AI Overview:

Approximately 100 to 140 ships passed through the Strait of Hormuz each day before the war. [1, 2]

Pre-War Traffic Details

Daily Average: Estimates generally ranged from 100 to about 138140 vessels per day in both directions.
Cargo Types: More than half of these ships were tankers carrying a large share of the world's oil and liquefied natural gas.
Volume: Roughly 20 million barrels of oil moved through the waterway daily prior to the conflict. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Current Daily Traffic Numbers

Maritime traffic through the Strait of Hormuz has collapsed by roughly 80% to 95% compared to pre-war baselines. [1, 2]

Recent Daily Average: The waterway is averaging just 5 to 15 commodity vessels per day. [1, 2]
The "Closed" Effect: Commercial traffic plummeted immediately following the February 2026 missile strikes. Short-lived diplomatic agreements briefly lifted volumes to about 2025 ships per day in June, but a resumed blockade and escalating security risks choked traffic back down. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Remaining Fleet: The minimal traffic still transiting consists primarily of medium-range tankers and gas carriers operating under heavy naval escort or navigating with their tracking transponders completely deactivated. [1, 2]

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In reply to Cal88 • 6:07p, 8/30/26

Cal88 said:
BearlySane88 said:
Secret shipping lanes, night runs… looks like a lot more oil has been getting through than originally charter.

Kpler, which for months now has been cited by everyone in the media showing that “no secret tankers exist” has quietly updated their methodology RETROACTIVELY and magically found nearly a billion barrels of oil they missed

Just incredible stuff pic.twitter.com/WYyrwC1thb
— Latinx Adjacent Doctor PhD (@TonerousHyus) August 30, 2026

Those "upgraded" figures still show a drop of over 80% to 90% from prewar traffic.

Yup, pretty incredible stuff alright.

Ive repeatedly posted average daily traffic volumes of 120 - 140 vessels a day occurred BEFORE THE WAR and yet those facts still get ignored.

https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/before-the-war-roughly-140-ships-a-day-moved-through-the-strait-of-hormuz-now-the-count-is-down-to-maybe-a-dozen/

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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:49p, 8/30/26

The spin there doesn't withstand very basic scrutiny...

Looks like there has been a renewal in hostilities, US attack earlier tonight on Larak Island, main Iranian island in the Hormuz Strait, followed 2 hours later by Iran retaliating with missile salvoes aimed at the two main Jordanian air bases used by the USAF. One noteworthy element is that the US used drones to attack Iran.

We just struck targets on Lark Island, Iran will respond. If we want to control the escalation cycle & not have the war accelerate we must get our troops out of the region.

If Iran gets lucky & kills U.S. troops we will be sucked back into the war on Iran’s terms.

Troops out.… https://t.co/6t1Ozm5hQk pic.twitter.com/ZU0hjo5s1F
— Joe Kent (@joekent16jan19) August 30, 2026

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In reply to Big C • 7:08p, 8/30/26

Big C said:

oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

Generally not in favor of the war. Unfortunately, we need to press on as we are until Iran gives in whether by our pressure or other international pressure.

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In reply to oski003 • 7:09p, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
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oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

Generally not in favor of the war. Unfortunately, we need to press on as we are until Iran gives in whether by our pressure or other international pressure.

These are the people who tell you they are against forever wars but have supported every forever war and got upset when a forever war was ended.

Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist

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In reply to dajo9 • 7:10p, 8/30/26

dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
Big C said:

oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

Generally not in favor of the war. Unfortunately, we need to press on as we are until Iran gives in whether by our pressure or other international pressure.

These are the people who tell you they are against forever wars but have supported every forever war and got upset when a forever war was ended.

You make a lot of untrue assumptions.

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In reply to BearlySane88 • 7:11p, 8/30/26

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dajo9 said:
oski003 said:
Big C said:

oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

Generally not in favor of the war. Unfortunately, we need to press on as we are until Iran gives in whether by our pressure or other international pressure.

These are the people who tell you they are against forever wars but have supported every forever war and got upset when a forever war was ended.

You make a lot of untrue assumptions.

I just call it like it is.

Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist

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7:22p, 8/30/26

I recall that one of Trump's biggest supporters gave Trump a "5" on a Scale of 1 - 10 when I asked how confident they were in Trump achieving his stated objectives in Iran.

Doesn't sound like a good reason to continue to me.

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In reply to oski003 • 7:24p, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
Big C said:

oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

Generally not in favor of the war. Unfortunately, we need to press on as we are until Iran gives in whether by our pressure or other international pressure.

Iran has a lot more at stake in this game of economic chicken, lots of experience (sanctioned for decades now) and big backers (Russia, China) in its backyard.

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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:11p, 8/30/26

DiabloWags said:
I recall that one of Trump's biggest supporters gave Trump a "5" on a Scale of 1 - 10 when I asked how confident they were in Trump achieving his stated objectives in Iran.

Doesn't sound like a good reason to continue to me.

Like many things, you misremember what I rated a 5, and the premise of your logic is once again false. Please do better.

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In reply to Big C • 8:33p, 8/30/26

Big C said:

oski003, let's cut to the chase: Are you generally in favor of what President Trump has done in Iran this year? And what should we do now, going forward?

I believe I've made my position clear: I'm not really against seeing their military capabilities degraded, but everything about what we've done there has been one blunder after another.

I return to my Iraq comparison: yes, the world was probably better off without Saddam Hussein, but no, taking him out was not worth the cost.

Iran right now is a very similar situation.

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In reply to oski003 • 8:39p, 8/30/26

oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
I recall that one of Trump's biggest supporters gave Trump a "5" on a Scale of 1 - 10 when I asked how confident they were in Trump achieving his stated objectives in Iran.

Doesn't sound like a good reason to continue to me.

Like many things, you misremember what I rated a 5, and the premise of your logic is once again false. Please do better.

My memory is exceptionally accurate.
The TRUTH will set you free.

From May 28th.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2698644

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In reply to DiabloWags • 9:33p, 8/30/26

DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
I recall that one of Trump's biggest supporters gave Trump a "5" on a Scale of 1 - 10 when I asked how confident they were in Trump achieving his stated objectives in Iran.

Doesn't sound like a good reason to continue to me.

Like many things, you misremember what I rated a 5, and the premise of your logic is once again false. Please do better.

My memory is exceptionally accurate.
The TRUTH will set you free.

From May 28th.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2698644

OUCH

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In reply to DiabloWags • 9:35p, 8/30/26

DiabloWags said:
oski003 said:
DiabloWags said:
I recall that one of Trump's biggest supporters gave Trump a "5" on a Scale of 1 - 10 when I asked how confident they were in Trump achieving his stated objectives in Iran.

Doesn't sound like a good reason to continue to me.

Like many things, you misremember what I rated a 5, and the premise of your logic is once again false. Please do better.

My memory is exceptionally accurate.
The TRUTH will set you free.

From May 28th.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2698644

Yeah, I still give it a 5 that he will NEGOTIATE the opening of the Strait of Hormutz AND DESTROY all of Iran's uranium and their nuclear capability. Maybe even less than a 5. Actually, I give that a 3 that we will accomplish diablo's version of Trump's objectives.

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