Got to go back to work - have you seen the sticker price on those new 911s?

Nose to the grindstone, will be back this WE.

Cal88 said:

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Got to go back to work - have you seen the sticker price on those new 911s?

Nose to the grindstone, will be back this WE.

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You said virtually the same thing after getting called out for posting obviously false misinformation about vaccines last week.

Some things never change.

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(btw are you guys retired, on vacation? gotta get some work done here this afternoon, will prolly be back this WE)

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calbear93 said:

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OK, Cal88, bottom line it for us.

Give us your elevator speech.

Do you believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a justified and righteous incursion?

Yes or no?

No deflection or whataboutism.

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Here it is in a nutshell.

It's a civil war that has been fuelled by a nationalist ideology that is incompatible with the ethno-linguistically diverse nature of Ukraine.

The Minsk Agreements largely addressed this problem, providing some cultural autonomy for the Donbas.

Ukraine violated this agreement, largely because of the influence of ultranationalists within the Zelensky govt that forced a hardline policy and created the Donbas rebellion. This was a civil war with a strong element of ethnic cleansing.

This, along the fact that Ukraine was arming (potentially with nuclear weapons, having both the fuel and know how), precipitated the Russian invasion.

I can't call it "righteous" because it is going to result in tens, hundreds of thousands of dead, majority of them conscript hacks, but it was inevitable at that point.

The real tragedy is that it could have been easily averted with the proper handling by NATO. Instead its various governments pushed for this war, using Ukraine as a pawn to weaken Russia. Pure geoplolitics play.

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Those nasty Ukranians committing crimes against humanity when properly and lawfully invaded by Russia. Thanks for posting out the real story of the region.

But now that you have served Putin well, can you just stop?

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Ukraine underwent a color revolution and a coup in 2014, after which, a large part of the country was no longer represented by that government. The country was in a state of civil war, that much is undeniable.

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What Cal88 won't tell you about this "civil war" is that the separatist groups were being backed and possibly even led by Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/19/europe/donbas-ukraine-russia-intl-cmd/index.html

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The separatists in Donbas have had substantial backing from Moscow. Russia has long maintained that it has no soldiers on the ground there, but US, NATO and Ukrainian officials say the Russian government supplies the separatists, provides them with advisory support and intelligence, and embeds its own officers in their ranks.

Moscow has also distributed hundreds of thousands of Russian passports to people in Donbas in recent years. Western officials and observers have accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of attempting to establish facts on the ground by naturalizing Ukrainians as Russian citizens, a de facto way of recognizing the breakaway states. It also gives him a reason to intervene in Ukraine.

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Putin was busy stoking a civil war as a pretext for invasion.

easily the best moment for a band member in college football short of actually getting overhand windmill clobbered by a Cal football player on the way to a famously chaotic game winning TD

— BUM CHILLUPS AKA SPENCER HALL (@edsbs) August 26, 2022

Too soon.

— Gary Tyrrell (@GaryTyrrell) August 26, 2022

These are not the only repercussions Paul is dealing with following the DUI arrest. According to the New York Post, he has been outed from a charity group he was a part of. The California Highway Patrol 11-99 Foundation's (CHP 11-99), which helps aid CHP officers and their families, retracted Paul's lifetime membership after he flashed his card during the DUI arrest in hopes that it would help him avoid punishment.

The group issued a statement that read, "After evaluating the events that led to Mr. Pelosi's arrest and conviction, we are revoking Mr. Pelosi's lifetime membership with the CHP 11-99 Foundation effective immediately." They continued, "The mere presentation of his 11-99 Foundation identification credentials to law enforcement made it appear that he was presenting them for preferential treatment."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nancy-pelosis-husband-faces-repercussions-for-something-he-did-during-dui-arrest/ar-AA1194z5?li=BBnb7Kz

blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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calbear93 said:

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OK, Cal88, bottom line it for us.

Give us your elevator speech.

Do you believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a justified and righteous incursion?

Yes or no?

No deflection or whataboutism.

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Here it is in a nutshell.

It's a civil war that has been fuelled by a nationalist ideology that is incompatible with the ethno-linguistically diverse nature of Ukraine.

The Minsk Agreements largely addressed this problem, providing some cultural autonomy for the Donbas.

Ukraine violated this agreement, largely because of the influence of ultranationalists within the Zelensky govt that forced a hardline policy and created the Donbas rebellion. This was a civil war with a strong element of ethnic cleansing.

This, along the fact that Ukraine was arming (potentially with nuclear weapons, having both the fuel and know how), precipitated the Russian invasion.

I can't call it "righteous" because it is going to result in tens, hundreds of thousands of dead, majority of them conscript hacks, but it was inevitable at that point.

The real tragedy is that it could have been easily averted with the proper handling by NATO. Instead its various governments pushed for this war, using Ukraine as a pawn to weaken Russia. Pure geoplolitics play.

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Those nasty Ukranians committing crimes against humanity when properly and lawfully invaded by Russia. Thanks for posting out the real story of the region.

But now that you have served Putin well, can you just stop?

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I'm sure your '93 senior year Eurail pass Summer romp in Europe provided you with a very solid understanding of European history and "the real story of the region".

Here's a question for you - can you name one country in Europe where people aren't legally allowed to work, study or hear news in their native language?

Cal88 said:

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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calbear93 said:

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OK, Cal88, bottom line it for us.

Give us your elevator speech.

Do you believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a justified and righteous incursion?

Yes or no?

No deflection or whataboutism.

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Here it is in a nutshell.

It's a civil war that has been fuelled by a nationalist ideology that is incompatible with the ethno-linguistically diverse nature of Ukraine.

The Minsk Agreements largely addressed this problem, providing some cultural autonomy for the Donbas.

Ukraine violated this agreement, largely because of the influence of ultranationalists within the Zelensky govt that forced a hardline policy and created the Donbas rebellion. This was a civil war with a strong element of ethnic cleansing.

This, along the fact that Ukraine was arming (potentially with nuclear weapons, having both the fuel and know how), precipitated the Russian invasion.

I can't call it "righteous" because it is going to result in tens, hundreds of thousands of dead, majority of them conscript hacks, but it was inevitable at that point.

The real tragedy is that it could have been easily averted with the proper handling by NATO. Instead its various governments pushed for this war, using Ukraine as a pawn to weaken Russia. Pure geoplolitics play.

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Those nasty Ukranians committing crimes against humanity when properly and lawfully invaded by Russia. Thanks for posting out the real story of the region.

But now that you have served Putin well, can you just stop?

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I'm sure your '93 senior year Eurail pass Summer romp in Europe provided you with a very solid understanding of European history and "the real story of the region".

Here's a question for you - can you name one country in Europe where people aren't legally allowed to work, study or hear news in their native language?

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Can you do it without citing Kremlin propaganda? I didn't think so.

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During a press conference on June 6, Lavrov said Ukraine adopted "laws banning the Russian language," claiming the Russian language was prohibited in "education, the media, everyday contacts, etc." Lavrov mentioned that if English had been banned in Ireland or French in Belgium, Europe would have responded differently.

But Lavrov is mischaracterizing a Ukrainian language law. It does not ban Russian from the country.

In January 2022, a new provision of the law was introduced, under which print media outlets registered in Ukraine were required to publish in Ukrainian. This did not ban publications in other languages. Instead, the law required that all content also be published in Ukrainian.

Ukraine's language law, which has been implemented in phases, establishes Ukrainian as the country's sole state language. The law requires Ukrainian to be primarily used in business, school and media settings. However, it does not ban the use of Russian or other languages.

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Shocked that you would dissemble Putin's propaganda without examination. Quelle surprise.

concordtom said:

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Lol
Parlez vous Frances???

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Frances est americaine. Donc, elle ne parle pas francais. Moi non plus.

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I had my 8 week Europe backpack romp in 1976. Total cost: $1500. A large percentage of that was spent on booze. There was a heat wave in Europe that summer. I returned exhausted and 20 pounds lighter. Started Hastings a week after my return. What an enormous timing f up that was.

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3 months, $3000, 1990, 4 guys, 17 countries. Best summer ever!

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Sorry, best summer was 1982...50 days, $600, 13 states, 1 guy, 1 bicycle.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal88 said:

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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calbear93 said:

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OK, Cal88, bottom line it for us.

Give us your elevator speech.

Do you believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a justified and righteous incursion?

Yes or no?

No deflection or whataboutism.

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Here it is in a nutshell.

It's a civil war that has been fuelled by a nationalist ideology that is incompatible with the ethno-linguistically diverse nature of Ukraine.

The Minsk Agreements largely addressed this problem, providing some cultural autonomy for the Donbas.

Ukraine violated this agreement, largely because of the influence of ultranationalists within the Zelensky govt that forced a hardline policy and created the Donbas rebellion. This was a civil war with a strong element of ethnic cleansing.

This, along the fact that Ukraine was arming (potentially with nuclear weapons, having both the fuel and know how), precipitated the Russian invasion.

I can't call it "righteous" because it is going to result in tens, hundreds of thousands of dead, majority of them conscript hacks, but it was inevitable at that point.

The real tragedy is that it could have been easily averted with the proper handling by NATO. Instead its various governments pushed for this war, using Ukraine as a pawn to weaken Russia. Pure geoplolitics play.

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Those nasty Ukranians committing crimes against humanity when properly and lawfully invaded by Russia. Thanks for posting out the real story of the region.

But now that you have served Putin well, can you just stop?

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I'm sure your '93 senior year Eurail pass Summer romp in Europe provided you with a very solid understanding of European history and "the real story of the region".

Here's a question for you - can you name one country in Europe where people aren't legally allowed to work, study or hear news in their native language?

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Can you do it without citing Kremlin propaganda? I didn't think so.

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During a press conference on June 6, Lavrov said Ukraine adopted "laws banning the Russian language," claiming the Russian language was prohibited in "education, the media, everyday contacts, etc." Lavrov mentioned that if English had been banned in Ireland or French in Belgium, Europe would have responded differently.

But Lavrov is mischaracterizing a Ukrainian language law. It does not ban Russian from the country.

In January 2022, a new provision of the law was introduced, under which print media outlets registered in Ukraine were required to publish in Ukrainian. This did not ban publications in other languages. Instead, the law required that all content also be published in Ukrainian.

Ukraine's language law, which has been implemented in phases, establishes Ukrainian as the country's sole state language. The law requires Ukrainian to be primarily used in business, school and media settings. However, it does not ban the use of Russian or other languages.

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Shocked that you would dissemble Putin's propaganda without examination. Quelle surprise.

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Politifact, lulz!

Did you even try to do some basic research on this subject?

Here's some info from Wikipedia, a known Kremlin propaganda outlet:

"In April 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted a new law, the Law of Ukraine "to ensure the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the State language". On 16 June 2019, the law entered into force. The law made the use of Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within certain quotas)
in the work of some public authorities,
in the electoral procedures and political campaigning,
in pre-school, school and university education,
in scientific, cultural and sporting activities,
in book publishing and book distribution,
in printed mass media, television and radio broadcasting,
in economic and social life (commercial advertising, public events),
in hospitals and nursing homes, and
in the activities of political parties and other legal entities (e.g. non-governmental organizations) registered in Ukraine.

Some special exemptions are provided for the Crimean Tatar language, other languages of indigenous peoples of Ukraine, the English language and the other official languages of the European Union; as languages of minorities that are not EU official languages, Russian, Byelorussian and Yiddish are excluded from the exemptions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

In Zelensky's Ukraine, you can publish a book in English, Norvegian or Swahili, but you're not allowed to publish in Russian, the native language of a third of the country (ironically also Zelensky's mother tongue).

Any people will rise if their basic right to live in their own language and cultural norms is denied by a central government authority that intends to suppress their culture and language. Quebec would rise and immediately secede from Canada if French were outlawed by the federal Canadian government, no ifs, ands or buts.

There is no other country in the so-called free world that throttles the rights of an established, large minority to the same extent that Ukraine does.

This is a very basic facet of the Ukraine conflict that is totally left out of the official narrative.

Cal88 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Cal88 said:

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blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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calbear93 said:

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OK, Cal88, bottom line it for us.

Give us your elevator speech.

Do you believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a justified and righteous incursion?

Yes or no?

No deflection or whataboutism.

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Here it is in a nutshell.

It's a civil war that has been fuelled by a nationalist ideology that is incompatible with the ethno-linguistically diverse nature of Ukraine.

The Minsk Agreements largely addressed this problem, providing some cultural autonomy for the Donbas.

Ukraine violated this agreement, largely because of the influence of ultranationalists within the Zelensky govt that forced a hardline policy and created the Donbas rebellion. This was a civil war with a strong element of ethnic cleansing.

This, along the fact that Ukraine was arming (potentially with nuclear weapons, having both the fuel and know how), precipitated the Russian invasion.

I can't call it "righteous" because it is going to result in tens, hundreds of thousands of dead, majority of them conscript hacks, but it was inevitable at that point.

The real tragedy is that it could have been easily averted with the proper handling by NATO. Instead its various governments pushed for this war, using Ukraine as a pawn to weaken Russia. Pure geoplolitics play.

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Those nasty Ukranians committing crimes against humanity when properly and lawfully invaded by Russia. Thanks for posting out the real story of the region.

But now that you have served Putin well, can you just stop?

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I'm sure your '93 senior year Eurail pass Summer romp in Europe provided you with a very solid understanding of European history and "the real story of the region".

Here's a question for you - can you name one country in Europe where people aren't legally allowed to work, study or hear news in their native language?

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Can you do it without citing Kremlin propaganda? I didn't think so.

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During a press conference on June 6, Lavrov said Ukraine adopted "laws banning the Russian language," claiming the Russian language was prohibited in "education, the media, everyday contacts, etc." Lavrov mentioned that if English had been banned in Ireland or French in Belgium, Europe would have responded differently.

But Lavrov is mischaracterizing a Ukrainian language law. It does not ban Russian from the country.

In January 2022, a new provision of the law was introduced, under which print media outlets registered in Ukraine were required to publish in Ukrainian. This did not ban publications in other languages. Instead, the law required that all content also be published in Ukrainian.

Ukraine's language law, which has been implemented in phases, establishes Ukrainian as the country's sole state language. The law requires Ukrainian to be primarily used in business, school and media settings. However, it does not ban the use of Russian or other languages.

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Shocked that you would dissemble Putin's propaganda without examination. Quelle surprise.

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Politifact, lulz!

Did you even try to do some basic research on this subject?

Here's some info from Wikipedia, a known Kremlin propaganda outlet:

"In April 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted a new law, the Law of Ukraine "to ensure the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the State language". On 16 June 2019, the law entered into force. The law made the use of Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within certain quotas)
in the work of some public authorities,
in the electoral procedures and political campaigning,
in pre-school, school and university education,
in scientific, cultural and sporting activities,
in book publishing and book distribution,
in printed mass media, television and radio broadcasting,
in economic and social life (commercial advertising, public events),
in hospitals and nursing homes, and
in the activities of political parties and other legal entities (e.g. non-governmental organizations) registered in Ukraine.

Some special exemptions are provided for the Crimean Tatar language, other languages of indigenous peoples of Ukraine, the English language and the other official languages of the European Union; as languages of minorities that are not EU official languages, Russian, Byelorussian and Yiddish are excluded from the exemptions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

In Zelensky's Ukraine, you can publish a book in English, Norvegian or Swahili, but you're not allowed to publish in Russian, the native language of a third of the country (ironically also Zelensky's mother tongue).

Any people will rise if their basic right to live in their own language and cultural norms is denied by a central government authority that intends to suppress their culture and language. Quebec would rise and immediately secede from Canada if French were outlawed by the federal Canadian government, no ifs, ands or buts.

There is no other country in the so-called free world that throttles the rights of an established, large minority to the same extent that Ukraine does.

This is a very basic facet of the Ukraine conflict that is totally left out of the official narrative.

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Thanks for once again proving you are unwilling or unable to separate Kremlin Pravda from reality.

Here is what you originally said:

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Here's a question for you - can you name one country in Europe where people aren't legally allowed to work, study or hear news in their native language?

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The Politifact article clearly stated you were wrong so you quoted Wikipedia which in no way contradicts what I said or supports your position.

So do you really just think we are all stupid or do you have a reading comprehension problem? Or do you just not care?

To be clear, it is not illegal to distribute Russian language media in Ukraine. The law requires it to be translated into Ukrainian but does not prevent the use of Russian or make it illegal.

I look forward to your next bad faith disingenuous response. It's always great to hear what the Kremlin wants you to tell us.