AunBear89 said:

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"Indoctrinate". Thanks! You just filled my RWNJ Bingo Card!

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Let me guess, the game shape is a swastika?

sycasey said:

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kelly09 said:

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21 quarter units in Political Science from the University of California. 1967 -1969. As for HS Civics, I probably would fail today.There teachers, who think and indoctrinate just like you would My grandson, who was at SRVHS brought home a list of the greatest women in US history. Number five on the list was Anita Hill.
I'm guessing in line with how you would see it.

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Have you tried discussing with your grandson or his teacher about why Anita Hill is on the list to be studied? I'm not saying you'd agree, but maybe you would see it as something other than indoctrination.

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God Bless Anita Hill. Thomas and Scalia were bought and paid for. They performed at Koch brothers sponsored events.

Justices Scalia And Thomas's Attendance At Koch Event Sparks Judicial Ethics Debate


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scalia-thomas-koch-industries_n_769843
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/769843/amp

Clarence Thomas was 'obsessed with porn,' former colleague and girlfriend says in interview - New York Daily News


https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/clarence-thomas-obsessed-porn-colleague-girlfriend-interview-article-1.188942
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/national/clarence-thomas-obsessed-porn-colleague-girlfriend-interview-article-1.188942%3foutputType=amp

The Woman Not Called During the Clarence Thomas Hearings


https://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/woman-not-called-clarence-thomas-hearings

concordtom said:

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Again, I usually embed videos or copy/paste articles right here in BI to avoid the clickfest launching additional windows, but this one is worth listening to!!

Axelrod interviewing former Trump Economic Advisor (formerly of Goldman Sachs) Gary Cohn , who talks about how he was unsuccessful in convincing Trump on issues using empirical fact based arguments. And he fears/says there is no one else left in his inner circle to advise or tell Trump no.

Hopefully Cohn will inspire other insiders to turn on Trump. The man has to be tossed into the Seine!!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/politics/gary-cohn-trump-white-house/index.html

Cohn was pro-trade, pro climate change issues, pro immigration reform. He thought it was better to be in the room in hopes of influencing than on the outside, but quit when Trump insisted on the Chinese tariffs.

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That is exactly why Trump was elected, to get rid of the neoliberal agenda that people like Gary Cohn have been pushing for the last decades since teh 1980s, which gutted the American industrial base and made billions for people like him and Mitt Romney. It's about time an American president got tough on trade with China.

Open Borders also eroded the purchasing power of middle and working class, basic supply and demand at work in the labor market.

And "climate change", or the notion that anthropogenic CO2 is the sole/main climate driver, and is potentially going to destroy climate is bunk. There has been no change in the rate of ocean level rise in the last two centuries, which is still rising at exactly the same rate it did when Abraham Lincoln was president (2.8mm/yr):



https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8518750

Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Again, I usually embed videos or copy/paste articles right here in BI to avoid the clickfest launching additional windows, but this one is worth listening to!!

Axelrod interviewing former Trump Economic Advisor (formerly of Goldman Sachs) Gary Cohn , who talks about how he was unsuccessful in convincing Trump on issues using empirical fact based arguments. And he fears/says there is no one else left in his inner circle to advise or tell Trump no.

Hopefully Cohn will inspire other insiders to turn on Trump. The man has to be tossed into the Seine!!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/politics/gary-cohn-trump-white-house/index.html

Cohn was pro-trade, pro climate change issues, pro immigration reform. He thought it was better to be in the room in hopes of influencing than on the outside, but quit when Trump insisted on the Chinese tariffs.

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That is exactly why Trump was elected, to get rid of the neoliberal agenda that people like Gary Cohn have been pushing for the last decades since teh 1980s, which gutted the American industrial base and made billions for people like him and Mitt Romney. It's about time an American president got tough on trade with China.

Open Borders also eroded the purchasing power of middle and working class, basic supply and demand at work in the labor market.

And "climate change", or the notion that anthropogenic CO2 is the sole/main climate driver, and is potentially going to destroy climate is bunk. There has been no change in the rate of ocean level rise in the last two centuries, which is still rising at exactly the same rate it did when Abraham Lincoln was president (2.8mm/yr):



https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8518750

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Where is you "proof" that open borders have eroded the purchasing power the middle class. The tax cuts for the rich by trump have eroded my purchasing power and raised the deficit.

BTW, your plot shows a linear fit to the data. Take away the linear fit and you will see that it the last couple of decades it no long looks linear. BTW, if you know anything about statistics, which I have know idea if you do, do not try to prove your political point on one data point.

I do know stats, I am one of the handful of posters here who isn't a lawyer... I had about 7 classes on stats, data analysis, modeling, stochastic processes, bayesian statistics etc at Cal, undergrad and grad.

The change in slope on that curve is well within the data envelope along the linear trend, and nowhere near the alarmists' claims of doubling and tripling of the ocean level rise rate, claims which are all based on future projections that have so far completely failed to materialize.

I could literally post 100 other NOAA tidal gauge readings from different stations all around the world, none of which will show any substantial acceleration in the rate of ocean level rise.

I don't have to though, because ocean water is obviously as fungible an item as it gets, if sea levels were really rising at a faster rate, you would have observed that trend across nearly all stations around the world.

The other factor in sea level measurement is the rise or fall of the earth due to plate tectonics and local land subsidence, but that movement is linear as well, save for the occasional earthquake induced sharp step up or down (see SF plot below).

" That is exactly why Trump was elected, to get rid of the neoliberal agenda that people like Gary Cohn have been pushing for the last decades since teh 1980s, which gutted the American industrial base and made billions for people like him and Mitt Romney."


Do you think tRump is using the office of the presidency to personally enrich himself, the Crime Family and selected associates?

oski003 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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"Indoctrinate". Thanks! You just filled my RWNJ Bingo Card!

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Let me guess, the game shape is a swastika?

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Cal88 said:

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I do know stats, I am one of the handful of posters here who isn't a lawyer... I had about 7 classes on stats, data analysis, modeling, stochastic processes, bayesian statistics etc at Cal, undergrad and grad.

The change in slope on that curve is well within the data envelope along the linear trend, and nowhere near the alarmists' claims of doubling and tripling of the ocean level rise rate, claims which are all based on future projections that have so far completely failed to materialize.

I could literally post 100 other NOAA tidal gauge readings from different stations all around the world, none of which will show any substantial acceleration in the rate of ocean level rise.

I don't have to though, because ocean water is obviously as fungible an item as it gets, if sea levels were really rising at a faster rate, you would have observed that trend across nearly all stations around the world.

The other factor in sea level measurement is the rise or fall of the earth due to plate tectonics and local land subsidence, but that movement is linear as well, save for the occasional earthquake induced sharp step up or down (see SF plot below).

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Please read the summary report from NOAA: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level It shows a CLEAR trend that is not linear. I don't have the time to trust that you are not selectively posting 3 plots to prove your political agenda.

BTW, you still have not answered my original question about the middle class.....I'm waiting.

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I don't have the time to trust that you are not selectively posting 3 plots to prove your political agenda

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I would not recommend going down the rabbit hole with Cal88 on climate change. Rest assured, he has a treasure trove of cherry-picked charts and fake memes to show you.

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I would not recommend going down the rabbit hole with Cal88 on climate change. Rest assured, he has a treasure trove of cherry-picked charts and fake memes to show you.

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Cal88 knows better than the overwhelming majority of accredited experts in the field, and the plain as day smack you in the face anecdotal evidence of actually being alive and sticking your face outside with eyes open.

Thousands of scientists have apparently gotten together to punk the world for some unexplained reason.But Cal88 ain't falling for it, he's got the REAL statistics that no one else is bothering to interpret (except for the others in the secret bunker of truth).

He's been beating this drum for years, and despite things continuing to worsen and more contradicting evidence, guess what? He's still right! It's all made up.Thank God humans aren't to blame.

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calpoly said:

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I don't have the time to trust that you are not selectively posting 3 plots to prove your political agenda

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I would not recommend going down the rabbit hole with Cal88 on climate change. Rest assured, he has a treasure trove of cherry-picked charts and fake memes to show you.

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Kerry and Arnold said on the Sunday talkies you gotta fool them by using the term "pollution" instead and then they are all in. The term climate change is tied to Lefties.

The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

Trump cuts short Nato summit after fellow leaders' hot-mic video


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/04/trump-describes-trudeau-as-two-faced-over-nato-hot-mic-video?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other



Even Boris has to deny reality (captured on audio and video) in order not to incur the wrath of tRump:

" Asked about the video footage at his own press conference, Johnson shook his head and said: "That's complete nonsense. I don't know where that's come from."

Cal88 said:

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The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

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Did you even look at the summary plot? I guess not. Instead you post a you tube video from a lawyer/economist that has NEVER analyzed REAL data in his life. Look, I don't want to waste my time on internet scientist like you... your hopelessly lost trying to validate you political posts by cherry picking data that you know nothing about.

Again, I am writing for you proof about the middle class!

Climate models have accurately predicted global heating, study finds


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/04/climate-models-have-accurately-predicted-global-heating-study-finds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

calpoly said:

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Cal88 said:

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The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

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Did you even look at the summary plot? I guess not. Instead you post a you tube video from a lawyer/economist that has NEVER analyzed REAL data in his life. Look, I don't want to waste my time on internet scientist like you... your hopelessly lost trying to validate you political posts by cherry picking data that you know nothing about.

Again, I am writing for you proof about the middle class!

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I did look at that summary plot, I've seen it before. Heller tells you how they've achieved the upwards trend by manipulating the input data. He's not a lawyer or economist, he's a geologist with a MS in EE.

Pushing your appeal to authority above, and keeping things simple - can you answer this question: if ocean levels have been rising at an accelerated rate, shouldn't that trend be readily observable at individual stations?!? How come it isn;t?

On labor and immigration:

Mass immigration will greatly increase the supply of labor and depress wages accordingly. Basic supply and demand. In states like CA, this has had a huge impact on the standard of living of workers in industries such as construction (which is a huge segment of the labor pool) and blue collar jobs like meat processing, warehousing etc.

This is a fact that is so basic that I think it is silly that I have to spell it out. Here is some evidence for you:

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/

Quote:

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Immigrants flooded California construction. Worker pay sank. Here's why

Construction in Los Angeles has shifted from a heavily unionized labor force that was two-thirds white to a largely non-union one that is 70% Latino and heavily immigrant.



In the span of a few decades, Los Angeles area construction went from an industry that was two-thirds white, and largely unionized, to one that is overwhelmingly Latino, mostly nonunion and heavily reliant on immigrants, according to a Los Angeles Times review of federal data.

At the same time, the job got less lucrative. American construction workers today make $5 an hour less than they did in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation.

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A testimony from a union worker:

Quote:

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...Organizations such as the Associated Builders and Contractors, the North State Building Industry Association, the Sacramento Regional Builders Exchange, the Associated General Contractors, and the California Homebuilding Foundation.support a human resources policy that has driven workers into the ground, or, more precisely, into the underground economy where labor brokers hold all the power. Their goal is to cut workers' wages as low as possible, to maximize their members' profits, especially in the residential construction sector, where unscrupulous contractors have long been able to get away with paying construction workers cash payments under the table at $50 to $70 a day well below minimum wage with no proper lunch breaks, no overtime and no health care or other benefits. Better for them that taxpayers pick up those costs, through Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers.
While there is a boom in construction, the reality is that fair employers who pay fair wages are competing hard for workers and they are finding them.

...The real problem for construction employers who have profited by cheating their workers is that they were so successful at it that they have driven workers completely out of the industry because they could not support their families. They should stop crying wolf about a labor shortage and pay their workers for their skill and hard work.

The reality is there is no shortage of workers. But there is a shortage of people that are willing to be used as slaves, with low wages and often not being paid at all in the underground economy.

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https://nabtu.org/news_center/labor-shortage-california-plenty-construction-workers-fair-wage/


White collar workers aren't immune to this, particularly in the IT sector, with the overuse of H1 visas and import of for instance Indian database managers who will work for a lower salary.

I'm looking forward to listening this. Howard had been clamoring for her to come on his show since during the last election. He even made a plea via a Washington Post article. Howard supported her going back to the 2008 election.

It's interesting is like 2 to 2-and-1/2 hours. (Again, I haven't listened yet.) But unlike podcast interviews, celebrities go into Stern knowing that they could end up talk about anything. And the length of it -- usually 90 minutes to 2 hours -- means he can a lot out of somebody.

oski003 said:

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AunBear89 said:

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"Indoctrinate". Thanks! You just filled my RWNJ Bingo Card!

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Let me guess, the game shape is a swastika?

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No - that would be silly.

Just the ink stamps that we use to mark the squares...

Another Deep State Conspiracy theory hits an iceberg.

" For more than a year, Hunter had insisted that criminal charges against him and his wife were the result of a conspiracy of the "deep state" meant to drive him from office in Democrat-dominated California."

https://apnews.com/680f619c268549c8a20290ce7552d1b2

Cal88 said:

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calpoly said:

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Cal88 said:

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The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

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Did you even look at the summary plot? I guess not. Instead you post a you tube video from a lawyer/economist that has NEVER analyzed REAL data in his life. Look, I don't want to waste my time on internet scientist like you... your hopelessly lost trying to validate you political posts by cherry picking data that you know nothing about.

Again, I am writing for you proof about the middle class!

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I did look at that summary plot, I've seen it before. Heller tells you how they've achieved the upwards trend by manipulating the input data. He's not a lawyer or economist, he's a geologist with a MS in EE.

Pushing your appeal to authority above, and keeping things simple - can you answer this question: if ocean levels have been rising at an accelerated rate, shouldn't that trend be readily observable at individual stations?!? How come it isn;t?

On labor and immigration:

Mass immigration will greatly increase the supply of labor and depress wages accordingly. Basic supply and demand. In states like CA, this has had a huge impact on the standard of living of workers in industries such as construction (which is a huge segment of the labor pool) and blue collar jobs like meat processing, warehousing etc.

This is a fact that is so basic that I think it is silly that I have to spell it out. Here is some evidence for you:

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/

Quote:

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Immigrants flooded California construction. Worker pay sank. Here's why

Construction in Los Angeles has shifted from a heavily unionized labor force that was two-thirds white to a largely non-union one that is 70% Latino and heavily immigrant.



In the span of a few decades, Los Angeles area construction went from an industry that was two-thirds white, and largely unionized, to one that is overwhelmingly Latino, mostly nonunion and heavily reliant on immigrants, according to a Los Angeles Times review of federal data.

At the same time, the job got less lucrative. American construction workers today make $5 an hour less than they did in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation.

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A testimony from a union worker:

Quote:

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...Organizations such as the Associated Builders and Contractors, the North State Building Industry Association, the Sacramento Regional Builders Exchange, the Associated General Contractors, and the California Homebuilding Foundation.support a human resources policy that has driven workers into the ground, or, more precisely, into the underground economy where labor brokers hold all the power. Their goal is to cut workers' wages as low as possible, to maximize their members' profits, especially in the residential construction sector, where unscrupulous contractors have long been able to get away with paying construction workers cash payments under the table at $50 to $70 a day well below minimum wage with no proper lunch breaks, no overtime and no health care or other benefits. Better for them that taxpayers pick up those costs, through Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers.
While there is a boom in construction, the reality is that fair employers who pay fair wages are competing hard for workers and they are finding them.

...The real problem for construction employers who have profited by cheating their workers is that they were so successful at it that they have driven workers completely out of the industry because they could not support their families. They should stop crying wolf about a labor shortage and pay their workers for their skill and hard work.

The reality is there is no shortage of workers. But there is a shortage of people that are willing to be used as slaves, with low wages and often not being paid at all in the underground economy.

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https://nabtu.org/news_center/labor-shortage-california-plenty-construction-workers-fair-wage/


White collar workers aren't immune to this, particularly in the IT sector, with the overuse of H1 visas and import of for instance Indian database managers who will work for a lower salary.

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Science is validated by peer-review in science journals that has experts in the field review the scientific hypothesis. You tube videos can be done by anyone with no control of the content and thus cannot be taken seriously. Please, Mr. internet scientist, stay away from the conspiracy theorist they will only make you look stupid!

Cal88 said:

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calpoly said:

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Cal88 said:

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The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

---

Did you even look at the summary plot? I guess not. Instead you post a you tube video from a lawyer/economist that has NEVER analyzed REAL data in his life. Look, I don't want to waste my time on internet scientist like you... your hopelessly lost trying to validate you political posts by cherry picking data that you know nothing about.

Again, I am writing for you proof about the middle class!

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I did look at that summary plot, I've seen it before. Heller tells you how they've achieved the upwards trend by manipulating the input data. He's not a lawyer or economist, he's a geologist with a MS in EE.

Pushing your appeal to authority above, and keeping things simple - can you answer this question: if ocean levels have been rising at an accelerated rate, shouldn't that trend be readily observable at individual stations?!? How come it isn;t?

On labor and immigration:

Mass immigration will greatly increase the supply of labor and depress wages accordingly. Basic supply and demand. In states like CA, this has had a huge impact on the standard of living of workers in industries such as construction (which is a huge segment of the labor pool) and blue collar jobs like meat processing, warehousing etc.

This is a fact that is so basic that I think it is silly that I have to spell it out. Here is some evidence for you:

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/

Quote:

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Immigrants flooded California construction. Worker pay sank. Here's why

Construction in Los Angeles has shifted from a heavily unionized labor force that was two-thirds white to a largely non-union one that is 70% Latino and heavily immigrant.



In the span of a few decades, Los Angeles area construction went from an industry that was two-thirds white, and largely unionized, to one that is overwhelmingly Latino, mostly nonunion and heavily reliant on immigrants, according to a Los Angeles Times review of federal data.

At the same time, the job got less lucrative. American construction workers today make $5 an hour less than they did in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation.

---

A testimony from a union worker:

Quote:

---

...Organizations such as the Associated Builders and Contractors, the North State Building Industry Association, the Sacramento Regional Builders Exchange, the Associated General Contractors, and the California Homebuilding Foundation.support a human resources policy that has driven workers into the ground, or, more precisely, into the underground economy where labor brokers hold all the power. Their goal is to cut workers' wages as low as possible, to maximize their members' profits, especially in the residential construction sector, where unscrupulous contractors have long been able to get away with paying construction workers cash payments under the table at $50 to $70 a day well below minimum wage with no proper lunch breaks, no overtime and no health care or other benefits. Better for them that taxpayers pick up those costs, through Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers.
While there is a boom in construction, the reality is that fair employers who pay fair wages are competing hard for workers and they are finding them.

...The real problem for construction employers who have profited by cheating their workers is that they were so successful at it that they have driven workers completely out of the industry because they could not support their families. They should stop crying wolf about a labor shortage and pay their workers for their skill and hard work.

The reality is there is no shortage of workers. But there is a shortage of people that are willing to be used as slaves, with low wages and often not being paid at all in the underground economy.

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https://nabtu.org/news_center/labor-shortage-california-plenty-construction-workers-fair-wage/


White collar workers aren't immune to this, particularly in the IT sector, with the overuse of H1 visas and import of for instance Indian database managers who will work for a lower salary.

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Do you really know how science is validated? You don't do a you-tube video with you conspiracy theory (a la info wars of beitbart) you actually write a paper and submit it to a peer review journal in the field of research and have it validated. That is how science is done...anyone, even you, can make a you-tube video and make up some crackpot hypothesis. Until your hero does this I will consider his scientific hypothesis rubbish. I will NO longer respond to your crackpot theories because you are a fraud.

Cal88 said:

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calpoly said:

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Cal88 said:

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The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

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Did you even look at the summary plot? I guess not. Instead you post a you tube video from a lawyer/economist that has NEVER analyzed REAL data in his life. Look, I don't want to waste my time on internet scientist like you... your hopelessly lost trying to validate you political posts by cherry picking data that you know nothing about.

Again, I am writing for you proof about the middle class!

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I did look at that summary plot, I've seen it before. Heller tells you how they've achieved the upwards trend by manipulating the input data. He's not a lawyer or economist, he's a geologist with a MS in EE.

Pushing your appeal to authority above, and keeping things simple - can you answer this question: if ocean levels have been rising at an accelerated rate, shouldn't that trend be readily observable at individual stations?!? How come it isn;t?

On labor and immigration:

Mass immigration will greatly increase the supply of labor and depress wages accordingly. Basic supply and demand. In states like CA, this has had a huge impact on the standard of living of workers in industries such as construction (which is a huge segment of the labor pool) and blue collar jobs like meat processing, warehousing etc.

This is a fact that is so basic that I think it is silly that I have to spell it out. Here is some evidence for you:

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/

Quote:

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Immigrants flooded California construction. Worker pay sank. Here's why

Construction in Los Angeles has shifted from a heavily unionized labor force that was two-thirds white to a largely non-union one that is 70% Latino and heavily immigrant.



In the span of a few decades, Los Angeles area construction went from an industry that was two-thirds white, and largely unionized, to one that is overwhelmingly Latino, mostly nonunion and heavily reliant on immigrants, according to a Los Angeles Times review of federal data.

At the same time, the job got less lucrative. American construction workers today make $5 an hour less than they did in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation.

---

A testimony from a union worker:

Quote:

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...Organizations such as the Associated Builders and Contractors, the North State Building Industry Association, the Sacramento Regional Builders Exchange, the Associated General Contractors, and the California Homebuilding Foundation.support a human resources policy that has driven workers into the ground, or, more precisely, into the underground economy where labor brokers hold all the power. Their goal is to cut workers' wages as low as possible, to maximize their members' profits, especially in the residential construction sector, where unscrupulous contractors have long been able to get away with paying construction workers cash payments under the table at $50 to $70 a day well below minimum wage with no proper lunch breaks, no overtime and no health care or other benefits. Better for them that taxpayers pick up those costs, through Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers.
While there is a boom in construction, the reality is that fair employers who pay fair wages are competing hard for workers and they are finding them.

...The real problem for construction employers who have profited by cheating their workers is that they were so successful at it that they have driven workers completely out of the industry because they could not support their families. They should stop crying wolf about a labor shortage and pay their workers for their skill and hard work.

The reality is there is no shortage of workers. But there is a shortage of people that are willing to be used as slaves, with low wages and often not being paid at all in the underground economy.

---

https://nabtu.org/news_center/labor-shortage-california-plenty-construction-workers-fair-wage/


White collar workers aren't immune to this, particularly in the IT sector, with the overuse of H1 visas and import of for instance Indian database managers who will work for a lower salary.

---

Do you really know how science is validated? You don't do a you-tube video with your conspiracy theory (a la Alex Jones or Breitbart conspiracies ), you actually write a paper and submit it to a peer review journal in the field of research and have it validated by experts in the field. That is how science is done...anyone, even you, can make a you-tube video and make up some crackpot hypothesis. Until your hero does this, I will consider his scientific hypothesis rubbish. I will NO longer respond to your crackpot theories because you are a fraud.

Cal88 said:

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calpoly said:

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Cal88 said:

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The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

---

Did you even look at the summary plot? I guess not. Instead you post a you tube video from a lawyer/economist that has NEVER analyzed REAL data in his life. Look, I don't want to waste my time on internet scientist like you... your hopelessly lost trying to validate you political posts by cherry picking data that you know nothing about.

Again, I am writing for you proof about the middle class!

---

I did look at that summary plot, I've seen it before. Heller tells you how they've achieved the upwards trend by manipulating the input data. He's not a lawyer or economist, he's a geologist with a MS in EE.

Pushing your appeal to authority above, and keeping things simple - can you answer this question: if ocean levels have been rising at an accelerated rate, shouldn't that trend be readily observable at individual stations?!? How come it isn;t?

On labor and immigration:

Mass immigration will greatly increase the supply of labor and depress wages accordingly. Basic supply and demand. In states like CA, this has had a huge impact on the standard of living of workers in industries such as construction (which is a huge segment of the labor pool) and blue collar jobs like meat processing, warehousing etc.

This is a fact that is so basic that I think it is silly that I have to spell it out. Here is some evidence for you:

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/

Quote:

---

Immigrants flooded California construction. Worker pay sank. Here's why

Construction in Los Angeles has shifted from a heavily unionized labor force that was two-thirds white to a largely non-union one that is 70% Latino and heavily immigrant.



In the span of a few decades, Los Angeles area construction went from an industry that was two-thirds white, and largely unionized, to one that is overwhelmingly Latino, mostly nonunion and heavily reliant on immigrants, according to a Los Angeles Times review of federal data.

At the same time, the job got less lucrative. American construction workers today make $5 an hour less than they did in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation.

---

A testimony from a union worker:

Quote:

---

...Organizations such as the Associated Builders and Contractors, the North State Building Industry Association, the Sacramento Regional Builders Exchange, the Associated General Contractors, and the California Homebuilding Foundation.support a human resources policy that has driven workers into the ground, or, more precisely, into the underground economy where labor brokers hold all the power. Their goal is to cut workers' wages as low as possible, to maximize their members' profits, especially in the residential construction sector, where unscrupulous contractors have long been able to get away with paying construction workers cash payments under the table at $50 to $70 a day well below minimum wage with no proper lunch breaks, no overtime and no health care or other benefits. Better for them that taxpayers pick up those costs, through Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers.
While there is a boom in construction, the reality is that fair employers who pay fair wages are competing hard for workers and they are finding them.

...The real problem for construction employers who have profited by cheating their workers is that they were so successful at it that they have driven workers completely out of the industry because they could not support their families. They should stop crying wolf about a labor shortage and pay their workers for their skill and hard work.

The reality is there is no shortage of workers. But there is a shortage of people that are willing to be used as slaves, with low wages and often not being paid at all in the underground economy.

---

https://nabtu.org/news_center/labor-shortage-california-plenty-construction-workers-fair-wage/


White collar workers aren't immune to this, particularly in the IT sector, with the overuse of H1 visas and import of for instance Indian database managers who will work for a lower salary.

---

Do you really know how science is validated? You don't do a you-tube video with your conspiracy theory (a la Alex Jones or Breitbart conspiracies ), you actually write a paper and submit it to a peer review journal in the field of research and have it validated by experts in the field. That is how science is done...anyone, even you, can make a you-tube video and make up some crackpot hypothesis. Until your hero does this, I will consider his scientific hypothesis rubbish. I will NO longer respond to your crackpot theories because you are a fraud.

Cal88 said:

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calpoly said:

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Cal88 said:

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The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

---

Did you even look at the summary plot? I guess not. Instead you post a you tube video from a lawyer/economist that has NEVER analyzed REAL data in his life. Look, I don't want to waste my time on internet scientist like you... your hopelessly lost trying to validate you political posts by cherry picking data that you know nothing about.

Again, I am writing for you proof about the middle class!

---

I did look at that summary plot, I've seen it before. Heller tells you how they've achieved the upwards trend by manipulating the input data. He's not a lawyer or economist, he's a geologist with a MS in EE.

Pushing your appeal to authority above, and keeping things simple - can you answer this question: if ocean levels have been rising at an accelerated rate, shouldn't that trend be readily observable at individual stations?!? How come it isn;t?

On labor and immigration:

Mass immigration will greatly increase the supply of labor and depress wages accordingly. Basic supply and demand. In states like CA, this has had a huge impact on the standard of living of workers in industries such as construction (which is a huge segment of the labor pool) and blue collar jobs like meat processing, warehousing etc.

This is a fact that is so basic that I think it is silly that I have to spell it out. Here is some evidence for you:

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/

Quote:

---

Immigrants flooded California construction. Worker pay sank. Here's why

Construction in Los Angeles has shifted from a heavily unionized labor force that was two-thirds white to a largely non-union one that is 70% Latino and heavily immigrant.



In the span of a few decades, Los Angeles area construction went from an industry that was two-thirds white, and largely unionized, to one that is overwhelmingly Latino, mostly nonunion and heavily reliant on immigrants, according to a Los Angeles Times review of federal data.

At the same time, the job got less lucrative. American construction workers today make $5 an hour less than they did in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation.

---

A testimony from a union worker:

Quote:

---

...Organizations such as the Associated Builders and Contractors, the North State Building Industry Association, the Sacramento Regional Builders Exchange, the Associated General Contractors, and the California Homebuilding Foundation.support a human resources policy that has driven workers into the ground, or, more precisely, into the underground economy where labor brokers hold all the power. Their goal is to cut workers' wages as low as possible, to maximize their members' profits, especially in the residential construction sector, where unscrupulous contractors have long been able to get away with paying construction workers cash payments under the table at $50 to $70 a day well below minimum wage with no proper lunch breaks, no overtime and no health care or other benefits. Better for them that taxpayers pick up those costs, through Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers.
While there is a boom in construction, the reality is that fair employers who pay fair wages are competing hard for workers and they are finding them.

...The real problem for construction employers who have profited by cheating their workers is that they were so successful at it that they have driven workers completely out of the industry because they could not support their families. They should stop crying wolf about a labor shortage and pay their workers for their skill and hard work.

The reality is there is no shortage of workers. But there is a shortage of people that are willing to be used as slaves, with low wages and often not being paid at all in the underground economy.

---

https://nabtu.org/news_center/labor-shortage-california-plenty-construction-workers-fair-wage/


White collar workers aren't immune to this, particularly in the IT sector, with the overuse of H1 visas and import of for instance Indian database managers who will work for a lower salary.

---

Do you really know how science is validated? You don't do a you-tube video with your conspiracy theory (a la Alex Jones or Breitbart conspiracies ), you actually write a paper and submit it to a peer review journal in the field of research and have it validated by experts in the field. That is how science is validated...anyone, even you, can make a you-tube video and make up some crackpot hypothesis. Until your hero does this, I will consider his scientific hypothesis rubbish. I find no reason to waste anymore time discussing this matter with you. Have a great life in the swamp.

While indeed they may have impacts on certain types of jobs, the overall evidence is that immigrants do not impact American workers' wages in any significant way.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/04/541321716/fact-check-have-low-skilled-immigrants-taken-american-jobs

https://www.cato.org/cato-journal/fall-2017/does-immigration-reduce-wages

When Trump gets re-elected we need to finally fix the country and find a way to:

• Have Cal88 run the EPA and put an end to this Climate Change nonsense.
• Put CalBear93 in charge of de-secularizing the country and creating the mandatory Christian theology program.
• Appoint Bearlyamazing to head DOJ and get that vital report out that will show the REAL truth about the Deep State.
• Get Strykur/Gunnermate to loosen any and all gun restrictions and put the weapon dispensaries on every corner.
• Ask Oski003 to write the glossary of non-PC speak and head the reverse-racism/sexism task force.
• Make sure Anarchistbear instills the "I don't give a F@K" mindset throughout the administration.
• Promote GBear4Life to both Press Secretary and Chief of Staff to succinctly explain all the highly rational positions and arguments this new government will make.
• And of course BearForce2 as court jester and village idiot.

Only then would everything make so much sense, the Liberals would shut the heck up, and we could at long last truly be a great America again.

blungld said:

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When Trump gets re-elected we need to finally fix the country and find a way to:

• Have Cal88 run the EPA and put an end to this Climate Change nonsense.
• Put CalBear93 in charge of de-secularizing the country and creating the mandatory Christian theology program.
• Appoint Bearlyamazing to head DOJ and get that vital report out that will show the REAL truth about the Deep State.
• Get Strykur/Gunnermate to loosen any and all gun restrictions and put the weapon dispensaries on every corner.
• Ask Oski003 to write the glossary of non-PC speak and head the reverse-racism/sexism task force.
• Make sure Anarchistbear instills the "I don't give a F@K" mindset throughout the administration.
• Promote GBear4Life to both Press Secretary and Chief of Staff to succinctly explain all the highly rational positions and arguments this new government will make.
• And of course BearForce2 as court jester and village idiot.

Only then would everything make so much sense, the Liberals would shut the heck up, and we could at long last truly be a great America again.

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I'm honored to be in the shadow cabinet. Here are some threads I look forward to in Trump's second term

Blungold: "Our Democraccy is at Stake - year 8"
Another Bear; F$ckin Nazis are in charge of Little League"
Dajo: "Russians responsible for Civil War"
Concordtom: "Is he dead yet?"

calpoly said:

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Cal88 said:

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calpoly said:

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Cal88 said:

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The main reason I went into this aspect of global warming alarmism, ocean level rise, using individual data sets for main cities/ports like SF, NYC, Miami and Brest, Brittany, is that you cannot dismiss this data outright as "cherrypicking", because of this most basic fact: if the oceans are rising in Florida, then they are also rising in New York, California, France, Spain, Brazil, Japan etc, because guess what, ocean water is fungible!!!

This might have gone a bit over your head Sy, like many of arguments we've had in previous debates on this subject.

You look at the historic tidal gauge records across all continents, all of them are linear and show no significant acceleration. The sausage-making here is in the building the composite global picture that agencies like NOAA have managed to patch up from these linear individual data sets, to which they've also stitched satellite data, which has two major shortcommings, the narrow historic range (starting points from 1960s/70s vs 1800s for tidal gauges), and the systematic measurement errors and subsequent data "adjustment". It's the same Frankenstein composite cheating paradigm used in Michael Mann's "hockey stick" ploy, which as you remember, was denounced as "drylabbing" or outright academic fraud by Cal Prof Richard Muller. Here it is again:



That's why it is useful to look at tidal gauge data alone, which give acurate readings of sea level rise over the last 200 years, and which clearly display their linear nature.

Basic calculus, which even those who have only taken 16A can follow:

-the 300+ tidal gauge records all display a strong linear behavior
-therefore, the sum, or average/composite of these linear data plots will always be another straight line.
-No significant acceleration in these individual records means there should be no acceleration in the composite/aggregate picture, thus no change in the rate of sea level rise.

Tony Heller goes into detail about the manufacturing of the composite sea level graph here:

---

Did you even look at the summary plot? I guess not. Instead you post a you tube video from a lawyer/economist that has NEVER analyzed REAL data in his life. Look, I don't want to waste my time on internet scientist like you... your hopelessly lost trying to validate you political posts by cherry picking data that you know nothing about.

Again, I am writing for you proof about the middle class!

---

I did look at that summary plot, I've seen it before. Heller tells you how they've achieved the upwards trend by manipulating the input data. He's not a lawyer or economist, he's a geologist with a MS in EE.

Pushing your appeal to authority above, and keeping things simple - can you answer this question: if ocean levels have been rising at an accelerated rate, shouldn't that trend be readily observable at individual stations?!? How come it isn;t?

On labor and immigration:

Mass immigration will greatly increase the supply of labor and depress wages accordingly. Basic supply and demand. In states like CA, this has had a huge impact on the standard of living of workers in industries such as construction (which is a huge segment of the labor pool) and blue collar jobs like meat processing, warehousing etc.

This is a fact that is so basic that I think it is silly that I have to spell it out. Here is some evidence for you:

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-construction-trump/

Quote:

---

Immigrants flooded California construction. Worker pay sank. Here's why

Construction in Los Angeles has shifted from a heavily unionized labor force that was two-thirds white to a largely non-union one that is 70% Latino and heavily immigrant.



In the span of a few decades, Los Angeles area construction went from an industry that was two-thirds white, and largely unionized, to one that is overwhelmingly Latino, mostly nonunion and heavily reliant on immigrants, according to a Los Angeles Times review of federal data.

At the same time, the job got less lucrative. American construction workers today make $5 an hour less than they did in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation.

---

A testimony from a union worker:

Quote:

---

...Organizations such as the Associated Builders and Contractors, the North State Building Industry Association, the Sacramento Regional Builders Exchange, the Associated General Contractors, and the California Homebuilding Foundation.support a human resources policy that has driven workers into the ground, or, more precisely, into the underground economy where labor brokers hold all the power. Their goal is to cut workers' wages as low as possible, to maximize their members' profits, especially in the residential construction sector, where unscrupulous contractors have long been able to get away with paying construction workers cash payments under the table at $50 to $70 a day well below minimum wage with no proper lunch breaks, no overtime and no health care or other benefits. Better for them that taxpayers pick up those costs, through Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers.
While there is a boom in construction, the reality is that fair employers who pay fair wages are competing hard for workers and they are finding them.

...The real problem for construction employers who have profited by cheating their workers is that they were so successful at it that they have driven workers completely out of the industry because they could not support their families. They should stop crying wolf about a labor shortage and pay their workers for their skill and hard work.

The reality is there is no shortage of workers. But there is a shortage of people that are willing to be used as slaves, with low wages and often not being paid at all in the underground economy.

---

https://nabtu.org/news_center/labor-shortage-california-plenty-construction-workers-fair-wage/


White collar workers aren't immune to this, particularly in the IT sector, with the overuse of H1 visas and import of for instance Indian database managers who will work for a lower salary.

---

Do you really know how science is validated? You don't do a you-tube video with your conspiracy theory (a la Alex Jones or Breitbart conspiracies ), you actually write a paper and submit it to a peer review journal in the field of research and have it validated by experts in the field. That is how science is validated...anyone, even you, can make a you-tube video and make up some crackpot hypothesis. Until your hero does this, I will consider his scientific hypothesis rubbish. I find no reason to waste anymore time discussing this matter with you. Have a great life in the swamp.

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-Appeal to authority
-Strawman fallacy
-Ad hominem fallacy
-Cultural bias fallacy
-Barnum effect fallacy
-Use of Neuro-Linguistic Programming/weaponized vocabulary

Kind of funny how you've managed to squeeze all these into one small paragraph.

I keep making the same mistake on this board, the assumption that most are willing to engage in honest discourse in the presentation of their points of view.

Cal88 said:

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-Appeal to authority
-Strawman fallacy
-Ad hominem fallacy
-Cultural bias fallacy
-Barnum effect fallacy
-Use of Neuro-Linguistic Programming/weaponized vocabulary

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I see your impressive list, but I don't see the correlation to the post above it.

Can you go through each of these and match them to text and how they fit the definition of each of these fallacies?

blungld said:

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Cal88 said:

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-Appeal to authority
-Strawman fallacy
-Ad hominem fallacy
-Cultural bias fallacy
-Barnum effect fallacy
-Use of Neuro-Linguistic Programming/weaponized vocabulary

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I see your impressive list, but I don't see the correlation to the post above it.

Can you go through each of these and match them to text and how they fit the definition of each of these fallacies?

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Also notice: his list of fallacies is essentially the GOP playbook when the facts don't support their positions.

I;m not sure if the average GOPer is that sophisticated, or the average Dem self-aware enough to be cognizant of the inherent biases in their reasoning, or lack thereof...

Quote:

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I see your impressive list, but I don't see the correlation to the post above it.

Can you go through each of these and match them to text and how they fit the definition of each of these fallacies?

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Sure, but not on a Friday eve, will get back to this.