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Obama looks like he's trying to address disinformation. Imagine a former president doing something that might actually help the country.

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AA former president of the United States has their pick of big problems to tackle once they leave office. Jimmy Carter worked on housing. Bill Clinton spent much of his time working to fight HIV and AIDS. Barack Obama, who has been out of office for six years, has so far led a fairly quiet post-presidency. But in recent weeks, he has begun drawing attention to an issue that advisers say has become increasingly important to him: disinformation, and the broader problems with our fractured information ecosystem.

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Typically when a politician wanders into this realm, I brace myself for the inch-deep thoughts and half-baked solutions that almost always follow. But Obama has clearly done the reading his talk today demonstrated an excellent command of the scope and significance of our problems online, while also owning up to the limits of an approach focused solely on removing disinformation to repair our democracy.

Notably, he preceded his critique by talking up the power and potential of a free and open internet something that seems to have fallen into disfavor among both Democrats and Republicans. And he acknowledged that social platforms helped to power his own rise.

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The problem, he said, is that "our new information ecosystem is turbocharging some of humanity's worst impulses." Some of that is intentional, he said, and some isn't. But ultimately it requires a society-level response. Otherwise, he said, America could be doomed to one day more closely resemble modern-day Russia, in which an autocrat rises to power, clamps down on information flows, and gradually undoes our democracy.

Obama acknowledged that social divisions predate Facebook and Twitter. And efforts to regulate speech will often run afoul of the First Amendment, for which he affirmed his strong support.

But something must be done, Obama said, citing perhaps the most grim statistic in the entire COVID-19 pandemic: around 1 in 5 Americans refuse to get vaccinated under the false belief it is likely to cause them harm. "People are dying because of misinformation," he said.
There's more on what he thinks should be done as well for anyone interested.
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What do you think of this story?

So yesterday at CinemaCon -- a big movie industry gathering at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas, with tight security -- Olivia Wilde was presenting her new movie, when somebody approached the stage and gave her an envelope marked "Personal and Confidential."




Turns out, it was a process server on behalf of Jason Sudeikis, her ex-fiance whom she shares 2 kids with (they never married.

So what do you think -- d*ckish move? Or justifiable? Or creepy? Or scary?





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Would Sudeikis have any control over where and when the documents were served? Or would those guys just take whatever opportunity they had?
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sycasey said:

Would Sudeikis have any control over where and when the documents were served? Or would those guys just take whatever opportunity they had?

Whatever the case, it'll reflect on him, whether it reflects poorly or not. It officially becomes a public thing that he's associated with and that he'll be questioned about in interviews when he's out promoting Ted Lasso and other projects.

Also, the "opportunity" was getting by security. Yes, process serves do sketchy things but it's still sketchy.




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okaydo said:

sycasey said:

Would Sudeikis have any control over where and when the documents were served? Or would those guys just take whatever opportunity they had?

Whatever the case, it'll reflect on him, whether it reflects poorly or not. It officially becomes a public thing that he's associated with and that he'll be questioned about in interviews when he's out promoting Ted Lasso and other projects.

This seems dumb. Blame it on the servers if you find their methods unsavory. Seems unlikely that it was Sudeikis himself who chose it.
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Ultimately I don't really care if he's a super nice guy or not (he just has to be able to play one on TV), but . . . why are you seemingly so focused on pushing baseless speculation about Jason Sudeikis? Some unnamed person who wouldn't know anything thinks it's his fault? So what?
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Funny.
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bearister said:

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….and speaking of tRump, look for this to be a real hate fest in Georgia tomorrow.
Thanks for the heads up, should be fun with lots of new material. No hate, only love for Brandon, let's go.


The government that those judgmental pieces of sh@it want to impose on America can only be pulled off by a totalitarian state like in the Handmaid's Tale. Try. Bring it. We'll be waiting.
Secession is the only viable option for them. We will gladly sign the paperwork. That part of the country is little more than a severe drag on the GNP. We basically carry their weight. Nothing more than an anchor around our necks. Dead weight.

If they want The Wall, we are happy to Wall them off.
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Dave Chappelle is attacked on stage in LA



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Dang! Kyle Rittenhouse likes hot older women.




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Dang! Kyle Rittenhouse likes hot older women.



These two attended the screening of 2000 Mules at Mara-a-Lago. In the movie, it was revealed:

** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone 'ping' data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election including a number of the same suspects!
** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia

The one said thing about the movie opening was that it happened coincidently on the same day that Politico published the Supreme Court opinion. The draft opinion was written back in February.
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BearForce2 said:

okaydo said:

Dang! Kyle Rittenhouse likes hot older women.



These two attended the screening of 2000 Mules at Mara-a-Lago. In the movie, it was revealed:

** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone 'ping' data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election including a number of the same suspects!
** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia

The one said thing about the movie opening was that it happened coincidently on the same day that Politico published the Supreme Court opinion. The draft opinion was written back in February.


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
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oski003 said:

BearForce2 said:

okaydo said:

Dang! Kyle Rittenhouse likes hot older women.



These two attended the screening of 2000 Mules at Mara-a-Lago. In the movie, it was revealed:

** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone 'ping' data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election including a number of the same suspects!
** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia

The one said thing about the movie opening was that it happened coincidently on the same day that Politico published the Supreme Court opinion. The draft opinion was written back in February.


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.
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calbear93 said:

oski003 said:

BearForce2 said:

okaydo said:

Dang! Kyle Rittenhouse likes hot older women.



These two attended the screening of 2000 Mules at Mara-a-Lago. In the movie, it was revealed:

** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone 'ping' data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election including a number of the same suspects!
** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia

The one said thing about the movie opening was that it happened coincidently on the same day that Politico published the Supreme Court opinion. The draft opinion was written back in February.


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.
I agree there are more pressing problems. But I also think there is concern that if people can get away with illegal activity associated with the 2020 election, then it will likely happen again in future elections. Based on polling data, there is bipartisan concern regarding election integrity and trust in the election process.
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oski003 said:

BearForce2 said:

okaydo said:

Dang! Kyle Rittenhouse likes hot older women.



These two attended the screening of 2000 Mules at Mara-a-Lago. In the movie, it was revealed:

** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone 'ping' data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election including a number of the same suspects!
** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia

The one said thing about the movie opening was that it happened coincidently on the same day that Politico published the Supreme Court opinion. The draft opinion was written back in February.


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?

I don't know. It feels like something sinister is behind the lack of coverage. Even Fox News failed to post one single report on 2000 Mules.



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BearForce2 said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:

BearForce2 said:

okaydo said:

Dang! Kyle Rittenhouse likes hot older women.



These two attended the screening of 2000 Mules at Mara-a-Lago. In the movie, it was revealed:

** Investigators used geo-tracking from cellphones to identify tens of thousands of ballot traffickers in the 2020 battleground states.
** The ballot traffickers identified all stopped at Democrat affiliated offices during the routes Stacey Abrams may want to find new work.
** Ballot traffickers dropped more than enough ballots to steal every major swing state in the 2020 election for Democrats
** The NRSC was given evidence of voter fraud and did nothing.
** Brian Kemp led a fight against True the Vote to get to the truth.
** The FBI and DOJ used cellphone 'ping' data to identify, locate and arrest January 6 protesters but DID NOT use this same technique to identify ballot traffickers in 2020
** Ballot traffickers were operating in Georgia in the 2018 election including a number of the same suspects!
** The ballot traffickers or mules were reportedly making from $10 to $40 per ballot dumped into the ballot boxes.
** Pennsylvania was the worst state they saw with 1,155 ballot traffickers identified and 5 central gathering locations
** Ballot traffickers crossed state lines including from New Jersey to Philadelphia

The one said thing about the movie opening was that it happened coincidently on the same day that Politico published the Supreme Court opinion. The draft opinion was written back in February.


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.
I agree there are more pressing problems. But I also think there is concern that if people can get away with illegal activity associated with the 2020 election, then it will likely happen again in future elections. Based on polling data, there is bipartisan concern regarding election integrity and trust in the election process.
Both parties are sore losers, but none as sore as Trump. He is the one who tried to pressure the secretary of state of Georgia to manufacture votes. For moderates like me, independents, etc who are asking the question whether my life is better now than it was 4 years ago (of course not) and whether I believe Democrats have any idea how to improve the **** show now, the last thing you want to do is remind people of the craziness of January 6th and what is possible with sycophantism to Trump's ego and whims. Focus on things that will get people to want to change for the better instead of reminding them why they voted for a barely there Biden. It wasn't for Biden. It was to run away from the craziness of Trump.
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calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?
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calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.
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okaydo said:

Dang! Kyle Rittenhouse likes hot older women.


They are doing marvelous things with plastic now days.
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.

"Dem Doom" in November might not end up being as bad as some predict. People are always looking for something to gripe about and that often falls on the incumbent politicians. But when the Dems getting blamed are actually put up against a Republican wacko, they suddenly might not look so bad. Overall, the Republican Party is gradually becoming more and more of a minority party.
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.
They are going down the path that lost them the election in 2020. The only hope they have that history does not repeat itself is that America thinks Democrats don't know how to govern and have just made a mess of the economy. Not saying it is fair, but it may not matter in the end result. It will matter to someone like me but not for a big percentage of independents who voted for Biden who are now having regrets when they see the state of the country and economy.
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Big C said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.

"Dem Doom" in November might not end up being as bad as some predict. People are always looking for something to gripe about and that often falls on the incumbent politicians. But when the Dems getting blamed are actually put up against a Republican wacko, they suddenly might not look so bad. Overall, the Republican Party is gradually becoming more and more of a minority party.
They better hope so. They will not be able to run on how much better we are on inflation, immigration, or world stability. But at the end of the day, it will just come down to the inflation and upcoming recession and how long the stagflation will last when it hits. Voters will be angry and will be even further angered the more they talk about culture issues (other than abortion) instead of how they will fix this. And they will most likely take it out on the party that had control of both the white house and congress without thinking about inter-party fights, filibuster, etc.
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.


Joe Biden just had his "deplorables" moment. In the last 48 hours, Biden and the corporate media are now referring to elements of the Republican Party as ULTRA-MAGA.
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calbear93 said:

Big C said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.

"Dem Doom" in November might not end up being as bad as some predict. People are always looking for something to gripe about and that often falls on the incumbent politicians. But when the Dems getting blamed are actually put up against a Republican wacko, they suddenly might not look so bad. Overall, the Republican Party is gradually becoming more and more of a minority party.
They better hope so. They will not be able to run on how much better we are on inflation, immigration, or world stability. But at the end of the day, it will just come down to the inflation and upcoming recession and how long the stagflation will last when it hits. Voters will be angry and will be even further angered the more they talk about culture issues (other than abortion) instead of how they will fix this. And they will most likely take it out on the party that had control of both the white house and congress without thinking about inter-party fights, filibuster, etc.


Remind me again why immigration is a problem for democrats. Are immigrants stealing all our jobs or is it something else? As far as I can tell, immigration as a massive problem is mostly a construct of right wing media. I get why people complain about inflation and some other problems but how many people complaining about inflation actually experience any issues directly resulting from democrat policies that would be resolved by Republican politicians?

I think we both know that there is no meaningful policy that Republicans would enact if elected. They don't even have a wishlist except for rolling back individual liberties and fighting the culture war.

Doesn't mean that they won't be successful but I don't think we have to pretend like immigration is some differentiated advantage for Republicans just because they pretend to care about it.
calbear93
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Big C said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.

"Dem Doom" in November might not end up being as bad as some predict. People are always looking for something to gripe about and that often falls on the incumbent politicians. But when the Dems getting blamed are actually put up against a Republican wacko, they suddenly might not look so bad. Overall, the Republican Party is gradually becoming more and more of a minority party.
They better hope so. They will not be able to run on how much better we are on inflation, immigration, or world stability. But at the end of the day, it will just come down to the inflation and upcoming recession and how long the stagflation will last when it hits. Voters will be angry and will be even further angered the more they talk about culture issues (other than abortion) instead of how they will fix this. And they will most likely take it out on the party that had control of both the white house and congress without thinking about inter-party fights, filibuster, etc.


Remind me again why immigration is a problem for democrats. Are immigrants stealing all our jobs or is it something else? As far as I can tell, immigration as a massive problem is mostly a construct of right wing media. I get why people complain about inflation and some other problems but how many people complaining about inflation actually experience any issues directly resulting from democrat policies that would be resolved by Republican politicians?

I think we both know that there is no meaningful policy that Republicans would enact if elected. They don't even have a wishlist except for rolling back individual liberties and fighting the culture war.

Doesn't mean that they won't be successful but I don't think we have to pretend like immigration is some differentiated advantage for Republicans just because they pretend to care about it.


It may not seem like an issue in the Bay Area but any chance of Arizona or Texas becoming purple states is fading with lack of sensical immigration policy at the border. I would like the old Republican policies on immigration - expand legal immigration to bring the smartest, create competition and help us innovate. It was the Democrats of old catering to working class who fought against immigration and global trade. But we really don't need more unskilled manual labor. There is a reason why even Democrats are complaining about Biden's immigration policies in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Just because it is not a problem in the Bay Area does not mean it is not a hot topic for those closer to the border. Everything I am reading is that immigration will influence election in the border states. It is not a winning issue for the Democrats.

This is not really an opinion from me on immigration since neither party currently has logical immigration policies but an explanation on why I believe immigration will be another reason the Democrats will get slaughtered in 2022 and why, as retribution, every Squad member will get kicked out of every committee by the far right Republicans pressuring the new speaker in 2023..
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calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Big C said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.

"Dem Doom" in November might not end up being as bad as some predict. People are always looking for something to gripe about and that often falls on the incumbent politicians. But when the Dems getting blamed are actually put up against a Republican wacko, they suddenly might not look so bad. Overall, the Republican Party is gradually becoming more and more of a minority party.
They better hope so. They will not be able to run on how much better we are on inflation, immigration, or world stability. But at the end of the day, it will just come down to the inflation and upcoming recession and how long the stagflation will last when it hits. Voters will be angry and will be even further angered the more they talk about culture issues (other than abortion) instead of how they will fix this. And they will most likely take it out on the party that had control of both the white house and congress without thinking about inter-party fights, filibuster, etc.


Remind me again why immigration is a problem for democrats. Are immigrants stealing all our jobs or is it something else? As far as I can tell, immigration as a massive problem is mostly a construct of right wing media. I get why people complain about inflation and some other problems but how many people complaining about inflation actually experience any issues directly resulting from democrat policies that would be resolved by Republican politicians?

I think we both know that there is no meaningful policy that Republicans would enact if elected. They don't even have a wishlist except for rolling back individual liberties and fighting the culture war.

Doesn't mean that they won't be successful but I don't think we have to pretend like immigration is some differentiated advantage for Republicans just because they pretend to care about it.


It may not seem like an issue in the Bay Area but any chance of Arizona or Texas becoming purple states is fading with lack of sensical immigration policy at the border. I would like the old Republican policies on immigration - expand legal immigration to bring the smartest, create competition and help us innovate. It was the Democrats of old catering to working class who fought against immigration and global trade. But we really don't need more unskilled manual labor. There is a reason why even Democrats are complaining about Biden's immigration policies in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Just because it is not a problem in the Bay Area does not mean it is not a hot topic for those closer to the border. Everything I am reading is that immigration will influence election in the border states. It is not a winning issue for the Democrats.

This is not really an opinion from me on immigration since neither party has logical immigration policies but an explanation on why I believe immigration will be another reason the Democrats will get slaughtered in 2022
and why, as retribution, every Squad member will get kicked out of every committee by the far right Republicans pressuring the new speaker.

If you're saying immigration isn't really a nationwide issue, I would agree. It does appear to be a cornerstone of the Republican ethos for some reason however.

I don't disagree with what you say the old Republican policies were, but when was that the case? As far as I can tell, Republicans are preventing the expansion of legal immigration because they aren't interested in having the smartest help us innovate, since they know those people will all come to blue states which Republicans have no interest in improving.

As far as I can tell, Republicans don't have any answers on immigration and merely seek to call it a problem for which they can blame the democrats. Other than cyclical variation as a result of economic factors, I don't see much difference in immigration outcomes from one administration to the next. The wall was stupid and inconsequential. I'm sure they will find another caravan to scare voters in the fall, and Fox News will pretend it's an invasion at the southern border to support the pravda campaign.

I will give the republicans credit for one thing, they are much tighter with their messaging and their base falls for it. As we've seen from Jan 6 texts, they keep Fox News personalities in lock step with their messaging and manage to stay pretty disciplined in how they gaslight their base. Too bad they aren't interested in helping this country.
calbear93
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Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Big C said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

calbear93 said:

oski003 said:


Why isn't the news making a big deal out of this?
Keep focusing on 2020 election would be an idiot move by the Republicans. This country is such a mess, both parties need to discuss things people care about, including inflation, economy and crime. The election has been over litigated with all claims of fraud shown to be mostly unsubstantiated and sometimes perpetrated by Republicans. If the Republican platform is let's do everything possible to worship and idolize at the temple of Trump and stroke his ego, then screw the party. If they discuss their plans to control inflation, get us out of the inevitable recession, restore energy independence, and reduce crime, this will be one of the biggest landslides for the Republicans in 2022 and 2024.


I'm not sure it really matters. The entire message is and has been grievance and culture wars. There is no policy agenda - other than being oppositional. Is focusing on made up election fraud any worse than focusing on made up CRT or caravan crises?

What you want you won't find in the modern Republican Party. They aren't interested in governance, drafting legislation or making a difference in our country. They are interested in turning politics into professional wrestling because they have an advantage there.

It seems that way. But it comes down to whether I prefer the do nothing Republicans who just fight stupid culture wars or whether I prefer the do all the wrong fiscal things Democrats who also fight stupid culture wars. The only thing that can tip the scales is Trump and his craziness. If I were the Republicans, I would not play up to that too much. Where are the MAGA going to go? To Harris? The idea of Harris being president won't motivate them to vote just because the platform is not focused on Trump or Trump is not the candidate?


What do you think the Republican Party is going to do? I bet you can guess with a high degree of accuracy and it's not going to be what you would propose they do.

"Dem Doom" in November might not end up being as bad as some predict. People are always looking for something to gripe about and that often falls on the incumbent politicians. But when the Dems getting blamed are actually put up against a Republican wacko, they suddenly might not look so bad. Overall, the Republican Party is gradually becoming more and more of a minority party.
They better hope so. They will not be able to run on how much better we are on inflation, immigration, or world stability. But at the end of the day, it will just come down to the inflation and upcoming recession and how long the stagflation will last when it hits. Voters will be angry and will be even further angered the more they talk about culture issues (other than abortion) instead of how they will fix this. And they will most likely take it out on the party that had control of both the white house and congress without thinking about inter-party fights, filibuster, etc.


Remind me again why immigration is a problem for democrats. Are immigrants stealing all our jobs or is it something else? As far as I can tell, immigration as a massive problem is mostly a construct of right wing media. I get why people complain about inflation and some other problems but how many people complaining about inflation actually experience any issues directly resulting from democrat policies that would be resolved by Republican politicians?

I think we both know that there is no meaningful policy that Republicans would enact if elected. They don't even have a wishlist except for rolling back individual liberties and fighting the culture war.

Doesn't mean that they won't be successful but I don't think we have to pretend like immigration is some differentiated advantage for Republicans just because they pretend to care about it.


It may not seem like an issue in the Bay Area but any chance of Arizona or Texas becoming purple states is fading with lack of sensical immigration policy at the border. I would like the old Republican policies on immigration - expand legal immigration to bring the smartest, create competition and help us innovate. It was the Democrats of old catering to working class who fought against immigration and global trade. But we really don't need more unskilled manual labor. There is a reason why even Democrats are complaining about Biden's immigration policies in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Just because it is not a problem in the Bay Area does not mean it is not a hot topic for those closer to the border. Everything I am reading is that immigration will influence election in the border states. It is not a winning issue for the Democrats.

This is not really an opinion from me on immigration since neither party has logical immigration policies but an explanation on why I believe immigration will be another reason the Democrats will get slaughtered in 2022
and why, as retribution, every Squad member will get kicked out of every committee by the far right Republicans pressuring the new speaker.

If you're saying immigration isn't really a nationwide issue, I would agree. It does appear to be a cornerstone of the Republican ethos for some reason however.

I don't disagree with what you say the old Republican policies were, but when was that the case? As far as I can tell, Republicans are preventing the expansion of legal immigration because they aren't interested in having the smartest help us innovate, since they know those people will all come to blue states which Republicans have no interest in improving.

As far as I can tell, Republicans don't have any answers on immigration and merely seek to call it a problem for which they can blame the democrats. Other than cyclical variation as a result of economic factors, I don't see much difference in immigration outcomes from one administration to the next. The wall was stupid and inconsequential. I'm sure they will find another caravan to scare voters in the fall, and Fox News will pretend it's an invasion at the southern border to support the pravda campaign.

I will give the republicans credit for one thing, they are much tighter with their messaging and their base falls for it. As we've seen from Jan 6 texts, they keep Fox News personalities in lock step with their messaging and manage to stay pretty disciplined in how they gaslight their base. Too bad they aren't interested in helping this country.


I would say Reagan and the Bushes. Trump was really the first who started embracing what used to be Bernie Sanders' call against immigration and call for trade barriers.

I agree Republicans too often put Trump or party above country but I don't think most voters view Biden or congress exactly having helped this country since 2020. The polls bear that out pretty clearly. I may never vote for Trump or his acolytes but I am not looking to vote for Biden approaching 90 or Harris who has accomplished nothing or shown any level of competence or leadership. If those two are the best this country has to offer, screw it. But no matter what I believe on who is better, I am 100% certain both houses are going to the Republicans by a large margin.
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