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"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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movielover said:

concordtom said:

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Credit to Okaydo for initial post.



I note that it was a Republican President who sent in the National Guard to enforce integration.
The parties have flipped. They wouldn't do that today.



When exactly was this alleged "flip", and who orchestrated it?


Richard Nixon. He called it the Southern Strategy.
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The racist Democrats voted for Democrat George Wallace.
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Former Cal assistant Basketball Coach under Wyking Jones . . . .Chris Walker

Mocking the name of a Native American Basketball Player.

Isaiah Poor Bear Chandler.






CBS Broadcasters Slammed For Mocking Native American Basketball Player's Name (yahoo.com)

Chris Walker - Men's Basketball Coach - California Golden Bears Athletics (calbears.com)
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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dajo9 said:



Richard Nixon. He called it the Southern Strategy.

Conservative Candace Owens (a historical revisionist) said the GOP Southern Strategy "never happened"

lol

Candace Owens Says GOP Southern Strategy 'Never Happened' (nymag.com)



"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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movielover said:

The racist Democrats voted for Democrat George Wallace.


I know. Nixon's Southern Strategy was so effective Wallace only got 14% of the vote in the 1976 Democratic Primary. After that year, the South was reliably Republican.
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dajo9 said:

movielover said:

concordtom said:

wraptor347 said:



Credit to Okaydo for initial post.



I note that it was a Republican President who sent in the National Guard to enforce integration.
The parties have flipped. They wouldn't do that today.



When exactly was this alleged "flip", and who orchestrated it?


Richard Nixon. He called it the Southern Strategy.

Also LBJ, for supporting civil rights legislation and p***ing off the white racists.
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sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

movielover said:

concordtom said:

wraptor347 said:



Credit to Okaydo for initial post.



I note that it was a Republican President who sent in the National Guard to enforce integration.
The parties have flipped. They wouldn't do that today.



When exactly was this alleged "flip", and who orchestrated it?


Richard Nixon. He called it the Southern Strategy.

Also LBJ, for supporting civil rights legislation and p***ing off the white racists.


That is what created the opportunity for Republicans to take the white racist vote and they took it.
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Recently heard a story on the radio about the history of Hawaii. They mentioned that most of the opposition to statehood came from the southern democrats who were concerned that Hawaii was too brown and that all of the US needed to be majority white.

Does this sound like modern Democrats or the GOP?

Quote:

Senators from the south flatly rejected statehood.

"The profile of Hawaii racially and culturally was a threat to the rigid patterns of race relations in the American South and to the southern way of life, which was a euphemism, of course, for protecting segregation," Bell describes.

Some senators were transparent about their motivations in keeping the prospective state out of the union.

Admission of Hawaii would mean "two votes for socialized medicines, two votes for government ownership of industry, two votes against all racial segregation and two votes against the South on all social matters," said Sen. James Eastland, D-Miss

"Perhaps we should become the United States of the Pacific and finally should become the United States of the Orient," said Sen. George Smathers, D-Fla.

Efforts stalled, which frustrated then-President Harry Truman, who observed privately that many southerners "still have that antebellum pro-slavery outlook."

"The main difficulty with the South is that they are living eighty years behind the times and the sooner they come out of it, the better it will be for the country and themselves," he wrote in a 1948 letter.


Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/21/902334807/simmering-disputes-over-statehood-are-about-politics-and-race-they-always-have-b
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Like Ross Perot, George Wallace pulling away 14% of the Democrat vote was huge.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Recently heard a story on the radio about the history of Hawaii. They mentioned that most of the opposition to statehood came from the southern democrats who were concerned that Hawaii was too brown and that all of the US needed to be majority white.

Does this sound like modern Democrats or the GOP?

Quote:

Senators from the south flatly rejected statehood.

"The profile of Hawaii racially and culturally was a threat to the rigid patterns of race relations in the American South and to the southern way of life, which was a euphemism, of course, for protecting segregation," Bell describes.

Some senators were transparent about their motivations in keeping the prospective state out of the union.

Admission of Hawaii would mean "two votes for socialized medicines, two votes for government ownership of industry, two votes against all racial segregation and two votes against the South on all social matters," said Sen. James Eastland, D-Miss

"Perhaps we should become the United States of the Pacific and finally should become the United States of the Orient," said Sen. George Smathers, D-Fla.

Efforts stalled, which frustrated then-President Harry Truman, who observed privately that many southerners "still have that antebellum pro-slavery outlook."

"The main difficulty with the South is that they are living eighty years behind the times and the sooner they come out of it, the better it will be for the country and themselves," he wrote in a 1948 letter.


Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/21/902334807/simmering-disputes-over-statehood-are-about-politics-and-race-they-always-have-b



You said it, "Southern Democrats".
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movielover said:

Like Ross Perot, George Wallace pulling away 14% of the Democrat vote was huge.


Yes, losing racist whites has been very electorally difficult for Democrats. But we did the right thing.
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dajo9 said:

movielover said:

Like Ross Perot, George Wallace pulling away 14% of the Democrat vote was huge.


Yes, losing racist whites has been very electorally difficult for Democrats. But we did the right thing.


And those same Democrats designed social programs which destroyed the traditional black family.
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movielover said:

dajo9 said:

movielover said:

Like Ross Perot, George Wallace pulling away 14% of the Democrat vote was huge.


Yes, losing racist whites has been very electorally difficult for Democrats. But we did the right thing.


And those same Democrats designed social programs which destroyed the traditional black family.


The Democrats that are Republicans now?
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movielover said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Recently heard a story on the radio about the history of Hawaii. They mentioned that most of the opposition to statehood came from the southern democrats who were concerned that Hawaii was too brown and that all of the US needed to be majority white.

Does this sound like modern Democrats or the GOP?

Quote:

Senators from the south flatly rejected statehood.

"The profile of Hawaii racially and culturally was a threat to the rigid patterns of race relations in the American South and to the southern way of life, which was a euphemism, of course, for protecting segregation," Bell describes.

Some senators were transparent about their motivations in keeping the prospective state out of the union.

Admission of Hawaii would mean "two votes for socialized medicines, two votes for government ownership of industry, two votes against all racial segregation and two votes against the South on all social matters," said Sen. James Eastland, D-Miss

"Perhaps we should become the United States of the Pacific and finally should become the United States of the Orient," said Sen. George Smathers, D-Fla.

Efforts stalled, which frustrated then-President Harry Truman, who observed privately that many southerners "still have that antebellum pro-slavery outlook."

"The main difficulty with the South is that they are living eighty years behind the times and the sooner they come out of it, the better it will be for the country and themselves," he wrote in a 1948 letter.


Source: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/21/902334807/simmering-disputes-over-statehood-are-about-politics-and-race-they-always-have-b



You said it, "Southern Democrats".


Bless your heart for not understanding who you are.
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Disgraced atheist Sam Harris deletes his Twitter account as Musk announces Amnesty for removed Twitter accounts.

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Are you trying to tell me the U.S. government wants to keep classified documents secret? Shocking.
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Like the "Russia Hoax" documents that reveal the corrupt activities of the FIB, DOJ, DNC and HRC. President Trump was stymied for years by political and legal manipulations to prevent sunlight and transparency of these documents.
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movielover said:

Like the "Russia Hoax" documents that reveal the corrupt activities of the FIB, DOJ, DNC and HRC. President Trump was stymied for years by political and legal manipulations to prevent sunlight and transparency of these documents.


Your argument here is that Trump was an incredibly weak President. The weakest of my lifetime by a wide margin.
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dajo9 said:

movielover said:

Like the "Russia Hoax" documents that reveal the corrupt activities of the FIB, DOJ, DNC and HRC. President Trump was stymied for years by political and legal manipulations to prevent sunlight and transparency of these documents.


Your argument here is that Trump was an incredibly weak President. The weakest of my lifetime by a wide margin.

Yup. Couldn't keep his own house in order.
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sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

movielover said:

Like the "Russia Hoax" documents that reveal the corrupt activities of the FIB, DOJ, DNC and HRC. President Trump was stymied for years by political and legal manipulations to prevent sunlight and transparency of these documents.


Your argument here is that Trump was an incredibly weak President. The weakest of my lifetime by a wide margin.

Yup. Couldn't keep his own house in order.


False.

1. First, the Deep State illegally spied on him during the campaign via illegal FISA warrants issued by a secret court. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is for FOREIGN affairs - not blatant fabrications paid for by the DNC, HRC, and our FIB! Four illegal FISA warrants were issued, including into his Presidency.

2. The dirty dossier / pee tape was FABRICATED. The Deep State tried to set up George Papadapolous and Carter Page, a former CIA asset! Funny, even George P was smart enough not to bring the $10,000 in cash back to the US for the setup sting given to him in Europe. Six FIB agents were waiting for his arrival to search his bags... no search warrant needed at an airport. And he was clean! (Bringing $10,000 undeclared is a crime.) The Keystone Cops were there with their D in their hands, looking like complete frauds. (They eventually drummed up a minor charge to save face.)

3. The US intelligence community sent scandalous, untrue stories to bumbling Christopher Steele in the UK to copy / paste the dirty dossier - wash it - and inject it back into the US presidential campaign. Steele an ex M5 guy for the Brits. Claimed to be a Russian expert. Hadn't been there in years. Bruce Ohr in the DOJ helped launder this information exchange, along with his alleged CIA wife, Nellie Ohr. The British secret service angle gave it all a bit of gravitas and mystery. All false.

4. Lots of characters were feeding different versions of this pee tape into the US system. Allegedly John McCain, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, other State Dept actors. Some old Clinton hands.

5. All of this chicanery was being aided and abetted by the NSA databases being aimed at the Trump organization. They were spying on everyone - illegally. The FISA warrants allow a 2-hop spying on anyone connected to the targets (Page was one). Outside contractors used the NSA databases to query and track movement, phone calls, cell phones, etc. It is alleged that FusionGPS and Crowdstrike were two of these entities. This was all covered in Judge Rosemary Collyers 99-page judicial filing. (60% redacted.)

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

6. An analyst at NSA discovered this illegal database use, Admiral Mike Rogers expanded the review, and subsequently shut down that external access. All of this intelligence power was being used against a political opponent. Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News wrote one of the original stories about the dossier / pee tape, and two years later backtracked. And primary subsource for Steele's fabrications, Igor Danchenko, didn't live in Russia. In fact, he came from the liberal Brookings Institute, and when the Intelligence Community realized he would expose the dossier lies, they threw a bag over him - i.e., made him a Confidential Human Source and paid him $400,000 to keep quiet.

7. A number of people were fired, but few prosecuted. Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. Andrew McCabe. Bruce Ohr. Attorney Kevin Clinesmith, who doctored some documents, was given a slap on the wrist. Later during the cover up (Mueller / Andrew Weismann purpose), 26 DOJ Federal Attorneys scrubbed 26 smart phones. All illegal and unethical.

8. Susan Rice penned an email to herself when departing the White House, saying that everything that was done was "by the book". Some allege this is a confession, and a CYA memo to self. She places all the major Obama Administration players in the room.

A text sent between Strzok and Page said "POTUS wants to know everything", a reference to Barack Obama.

Ironically, all of the FIB / DOJ officials who quickly exonerated HRC (illegally wiped, illegal home server, and hundreds of thousands of emails), moved on to the Get Trump Team.

9. Politics dictated that President Trump couldn't go around firing all these top officials as all these facts weren't known in real time. Mueller later came off like a bumbling fool who couldn't recall anything, possibly by design. The Devin Nunes memo was proven to be 100% accurate, while Adam Schiffs allegations were unproven.

10. During all of this, President Trump battled numerous Hoaxes and unprecedented legal attacks, like attorney's offices being raided. Dossier Hoax, Alpha Bank Hoax, impeachment, Obstruction of Justice Hoax, New York AG lawsuits, etc.

Objective observers see our two-track legal system. HRC gets a pass, while Populist Donald Trump gets a historic raking over the coals. Hi tech and the MSM aided all of this. Democrats then went after any person who worked for President Trump, and threatened various actions against any attorneys who worked for him. It's amazing he survived it all.
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movielover said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

movielover said:

Like the "Russia Hoax" documents that reveal the corrupt activities of the FIB, DOJ, DNC and HRC. President Trump was stymied for years by political and legal manipulations to prevent sunlight and transparency of these documents.


Your argument here is that Trump was an incredibly weak President. The weakest of my lifetime by a wide margin.

Yup. Couldn't keep his own house in order.


False.

1. First, the Deep State illegally spied on him during the campaign via illegal FISA warrants issued by a secret court. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is for FOREIGN affairs - not blatant fabrications paid for by the DNC, HRC, and our FIB! Four illegal FISA warrants were issued, including into his Presidency.

2. The dirty dossier / pee tape was FABRICATED. The Deep State tried to set up George Papadapolous and Carter Page, a former CIA asset! Funny, even George P was smart enough not to bring the $10,000 in cash back to the US for the setup sting given to him in Europe. Six FIB agents were waiting for his arrival to search his bags... no search warrant needed at an airport. And he was clean! (Bringing $10,000 undeclared is a crime.) The Keystone Cops were there with their D in their hands, looking like complete frauds. (They eventually drummed up a minor charge to save face.)

3. The US intelligence community sent scandalous, untrue stories to bumbling Christopher Steele in the UK to copy / paste the dirty dossier - wash it - and inject it back into the US presidential campaign. Steele an ex M5 guy for the Brits. Claimed to be a Russian expert. Hadn't been there in years. Bruce Ohr in the DOJ helped launder this information exchange, along with his alleged CIA wife, Nellie Ohr. The British secret service angle gave it all a bit of gravitas and mystery. All false.

4. Lots of characters were feeding different versions of this pee tape into the US system. Allegedly John McCain, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, other State Dept actors. Some old Clinton hands.

5. All of this chicanery was being aided and abetted by the NSA databases being aimed at the Trump organization. They were spying on everyone - illegally. The FISA warrants allow a 2-hop spying on anyone connected to the targets (Page was one). Outside contractors used the NSA databases to query and track movement, phone calls, cell phones, etc. It is alleged that FusionGPS and Crowdstrike were two of these entities. This was all covered in Judge Rosemary Collyers 99-page judicial filing. (60% redacted.)

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

6. An analyst at NSA discovered this illegal database use, Admiral Mike Rogers expanded the review, and subsequently shut down that external access. All of this intelligence power was being used against a political opponent. Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News wrote one of the original stories about the dossier / pee tape, and two years later backtracked. And primary subsource for Steele's fabrications, Igor Danchenko, didn't live in Russia. In fact, he came from the liberal Brookings Institute, and when the Intelligence Community realized he would expose the dossier lies, they threw a bag over him - i.e., made him a Confidential Human Source and paid him $400,000 to keep quiet.

7. A number of people were fired, but few prosecuted. Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. Andrew McCabe. Bruce Ohr. Attorney Kevin Clinesmith, who doctored some documents, was given a slap on the wrist. Later during the cover up (Mueller / Andrew Weismann purpose), 26 DOJ Federal Attorneys scrubbed 26 smart phones. All illegal and unethical.

8. Susan Rice penned an email to herself when departing the White House, saying that everything that was done was "by the book". Some allege this is a confession, and a CYA memo to self. She places all the major Obama Administration players in the room.

A text sent between Strzok and Page said "POTUS wants to know everything", a reference to Barack Obama.

Ironically, all of the FIB / DOJ officials who quickly exonerated HRC (illegally wiped, illegal home server, and hundreds of thousands of emails), moved on to the Get Trump Team.

9. Politics dictated that President Trump couldn't go around firing all these top officials as all these facts weren't known in real time. Mueller later came off like a bumbling fool who couldn't recall anything, possibly by design. The Devin Nunes memo was proven to be 100% accurate, while Adam Schiffs allegations were unproven.

10. During all of this, President Trump battled numerous Hoaxes and unprecedented legal attacks, like attorney's offices being raided. Dossier Hoax, Alpha Bank Hoax, impeachment, Obstruction of Justice Hoax, New York AG lawsuits, etc.

Objective observers see our two-track legal system. HRC gets a pass, while Populist Donald Trump gets a historic raking over the coals. Hi tech and the MSM aided all of this. Democrats then went after any person who worked for President Trump, and threatened various actions against any attorneys who worked for him. It's amazing he survived it all.


All of this was going on while Trump was the President. Hence, his house. He could not engender loyalty.
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Not his house. The Deep State. The illegal spying started under President Obama.
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movielover said:

Not his house. The Deep State. The illegal spying started under President Obama.

So Obama had control over his departments but Trump did not.

Obama strong. Trump weak.
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I remember when BF2 used to be accused of being a "bot". This latest guy seems to just regurgitate inane right-wing talking points, without any sort of humanity whatsoever.
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sycasey said:

movielover said:

Not his house. The Deep State. The illegal spying started under President Obama.

So Obama had control over his departments but Trump did not.

Obama strong. Trump weak.


More like the Obama Administration, FIB, DOJ, HRC and DNC used illegal actions to derail and punish an opponent.
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movielover said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

Not his house. The Deep State. The illegal spying started under President Obama.

So Obama had control over his departments but Trump did not.

Obama strong. Trump weak.


More like the Obama Administration, FIB, DOJ, HRC and DNC used illegal actions to derail and punish an opponent.

And apparently got away with it all too. Strong leadership!

Trump didn't have it.
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sycasey said:

movielover said:

sycasey said:

movielover said:

Not his house. The Deep State. The illegal spying started under President Obama.

So Obama had control over his departments but Trump did not.

Obama strong. Trump weak.


More like the Obama Administration, FIB, DOJ, HRC and DNC used illegal actions to derail and punish an opponent.

And apparently got away with it all too. Strong leadership!

Trump didn't have it.
Trump has always been a loser with a chip on his shoulder because he's always felt like an outsider from queens. He still thinks his stupid show would have won an Emmy if it weren't rigged and probably thinks his 7 and counting bankruptcies were a result of business being rigged instead of him being so dumb he managed to put his own casino out of business by building a competitor.

Losers still identify with Trump and his message of white loser grievance will continue to sell well with a certain group of white men. And it will continue to ensure that Trump loses and the GOP loses alongside him, which helps contribute to his sizable but not growing brand of loserdom. It's quite enjoyable for the rest of us to see them all continue to lose together.
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Ad hominem attack without dealing with facts and historic proven illegal acts.

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movielover said:

Ad hominem attack without dealing with facts and historic proven illegal acts.



You are right, I didn't get into all of the times Trump and his family and organization have been convicted or pled to fraud and other crimes, starting with his racist housing discrimination in the 70's, continuing with Trump University and his charity fraud, his more recent Trump Org tax fraud and the many many current investigations likely to result in convictions or plea deals.

Thank you for acknowledging his long history of criminality and fraud as that is a huge part of the story and why it's even more bizarre that so many fake law and order people fall for his scam.
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movielover said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

movielover said:

Like the "Russia Hoax" documents that reveal the corrupt activities of the FIB, DOJ, DNC and HRC. President Trump was stymied for years by political and legal manipulations to prevent sunlight and transparency of these documents.


Your argument here is that Trump was an incredibly weak President. The weakest of my lifetime by a wide margin.

Yup. Couldn't keep his own house in order.


False.

1. First, the Deep State illegally spied on him during the campaign via illegal FISA warrants issued by a secret court. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is for FOREIGN affairs - not blatant fabrications paid for by the DNC, HRC, and our FIB! Four illegal FISA warrants were issued, including into his Presidency.

2. The dirty dossier / pee tape was FABRICATED. The Deep State tried to set up George Papadapolous and Carter Page, a former CIA asset! Funny, even George P was smart enough not to bring the $10,000 in cash back to the US for the setup sting given to him in Europe. Six FIB agents were waiting for his arrival to search his bags... no search warrant needed at an airport. And he was clean! (Bringing $10,000 undeclared is a crime.) The Keystone Cops were there with their D in their hands, looking like complete frauds. (They eventually drummed up a minor charge to save face.)

3. The US intelligence community sent scandalous, untrue stories to bumbling Christopher Steele in the UK to copy / paste the dirty dossier - wash it - and inject it back into the US presidential campaign. Steele an ex M5 guy for the Brits. Claimed to be a Russian expert. Hadn't been there in years. Bruce Ohr in the DOJ helped launder this information exchange, along with his alleged CIA wife, Nellie Ohr. The British secret service angle gave it all a bit of gravitas and mystery. All false.

4. Lots of characters were feeding different versions of this pee tape into the US system. Allegedly John McCain, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, other State Dept actors. Some old Clinton hands.

5. All of this chicanery was being aided and abetted by the NSA databases being aimed at the Trump organization. They were spying on everyone - illegally. The FISA warrants allow a 2-hop spying on anyone connected to the targets (Page was one). Outside contractors used the NSA databases to query and track movement, phone calls, cell phones, etc. It is alleged that FusionGPS and Crowdstrike were two of these entities. This was all covered in Judge Rosemary Collyers 99-page judicial filing. (60% redacted.)

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

6. An analyst at NSA discovered this illegal database use, Admiral Mike Rogers expanded the review, and subsequently shut down that external access. All of this intelligence power was being used against a political opponent. Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News wrote one of the original stories about the dossier / pee tape, and two years later backtracked. And primary subsource for Steele's fabrications, Igor Danchenko, didn't live in Russia. In fact, he came from the liberal Brookings Institute, and when the Intelligence Community realized he would expose the dossier lies, they threw a bag over him - i.e., made him a Confidential Human Source and paid him $400,000 to keep quiet.

7. A number of people were fired, but few prosecuted. Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. Andrew McCabe. Bruce Ohr. Attorney Kevin Clinesmith, who doctored some documents, was given a slap on the wrist. Later during the cover up (Mueller / Andrew Weismann purpose), 26 DOJ Federal Attorneys scrubbed 26 smart phones. All illegal and unethical.

8. Susan Rice penned an email to herself when departing the White House, saying that everything that was done was "by the book". Some allege this is a confession, and a CYA memo to self. She places all the major Obama Administration players in the room.

A text sent between Strzok and Page said "POTUS wants to know everything", a reference to Barack Obama.

Ironically, all of the FIB / DOJ officials who quickly exonerated HRC (illegally wiped, illegal home server, and hundreds of thousands of emails), moved on to the Get Trump Team.

9. Politics dictated that President Trump couldn't go around firing all these top officials as all these facts weren't known in real time. Mueller later came off like a bumbling fool who couldn't recall anything, possibly by design. The Devin Nunes memo was proven to be 100% accurate, while Adam Schiffs allegations were unproven.

10. During all of this, President Trump battled numerous Hoaxes and unprecedented legal attacks, like attorney's offices being raided. Dossier Hoax, Alpha Bank Hoax, impeachment, Obstruction of Justice Hoax, New York AG lawsuits, etc.

Objective observers see our two-track legal system. HRC gets a pass, while Populist Donald Trump gets a historic raking over the coals. Hi tech and the MSM aided all of this. Democrats then went after any person who worked for President Trump, and threatened various actions against any attorneys who worked for him. It's amazing he survived it all.



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movielover said:

Ad hominem attack without dealing with facts and historic proven illegal acts.




The people of America never supported Trump. First we voted for Hillary and then we voted for Biden.
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