Yes, conservative hysteria really has ramped up in recent years and it's a menace to this country. We see this across a wide variety of topics. It's apparently been really easy to radicalize you people against your fellow Americans so we see it with your anti-trans and lgbtq hatred, misogyny, racism, anti-climate agenda, anti-history, anti- everything that you have been radicalized to attack as not part of your tribe.movielover said:
We have a whole thread on climate change. I just learned last night that the state of California doesn't define hydropower as green? Have to confirm. If so, insane.
The whole 'trans' hysteria seems to have skyrocketed the past 5 years. Tik Tok / social media seems to play a huge role. Journalist Andy Ng I believe has pointed out the alleged large percentage of violent 'non binary' Antifa members.
"A blogger mocked me for fleeing social media. Commenters joined in. My grief, their content." https://t.co/0glEXQirNh
— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) March 28, 2023
Do you think grown men should be able to marry children? Do you think we should ban any book or movie that might hurt white people's feelings? Do you think we should prevent pregnant women from receiving life-saving healthcare because of some newly invented Christian sharia law? Do you think we should allow free and unfettered access to weapons of war, including assault rifles, armor-piercing ammunition and the like to any American who wants one so that they can more easily gun down children? Do you think there's a problem when gun violence is the number one killer of children in the US? Do you think conservative fostering of an environment of intolerance is leading to additional violence? Do you think inciting distrust in our institutions and fomenting anti-government violence is presidential?movielover said:
Do you think hormone blockers for young teenagers is wise? Double mastectomy? Teachets exploring personal gender issues with young teenagers?
. I went for it. Answers above.Unit2Sucks said:Do you think grown men should be able to marry children? No.movielover said:
Do you think hormone blockers for young teenagers is wise? Double mastectomy? Teachets exploring personal gender issues with young teenagers?
Do you think we should ban any book or movie that might hurt white people's feelings? No.
Do you think we should prevent pregnant women from receiving life-saving healthcare because of some newly invented Christian sharia law? No.
Do you think we should allow free and unfettered access to weapons of war, including assault rifles, armor-piercing ammunition and the like to any American who wants one so that they can more easily gun down children? No.
Do you think there's a problem when gun violence is the number one killer of children in the US? Yes.
Do you think conservative fostering of an environment of intolerance is leading to additional violence? Yes.
Do you think inciting distrust in our institutions and fomenting anti-government violence is presidential? No.
Do you still think Russia invaded Ukraine due to Ukraine's violation of an agreement which Russia claims not to be a party to or bound by? Yes.
dajo9 said:Macron should back down. Like Putin's allies did in Israel and Georgia (at least temporarily). Cal88 would never show video of those street protests though.Cal88 said:
Protests gaining momentum in France, with protestors now blocking highways and railways. Macron is betting on his law and order upper middle class voters would rally for him, but so far public support for protests remains strong. Macron`s future hangs in the balance.Ça chauffe en France, Macron, l’adolescent présidentiel perd le contrôle. pic.twitter.com/29ybjYYHAL
— Pat Laliberté (@Pat77432407) March 28, 2023
TROON ANON: Man in devil’s horns, face paint leads mob to support medical mutilation of childrenhttps://t.co/Wb9JxTC9dC
— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 30, 2023
Maybe you can acknowledge that the right has a valid issue with trans who dress like strippers doing story time to small children or twerking in their faces at strip clubs. Also the # of trans has exploded compared to what it was.sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
There are some valid concerns (youth medical care, women's sports), but IMO they are given a spot in the political discourse FAR above their actual impact on the world.MinotStateBeav said:Maybe you can acknowledge that the right has a valid issue with trans who dress like strippers doing story time to small children or twerking in their faces at strip clubs. Also the # of trans has exploded compared to what it was.sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
"Between 2016 and 2017, the number of gender surgeries for natal females in the US quadrupled; in the UK, the rates of gender dysphoria for teenage girls are up 4,400 percent over the previous decade. An ailment that typically began in early childhood, and overwhelmingly afflicted males, suddenly has a new dominant demographic: teenage girls."
https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/how-peer-contagion-plays-into-the-rise-of-teens-transitioning/
You guys just want to bury your head in the sands and act like this sh*t is normal. All we're saying is ..if you want to transition surgically, do it over 18 or 21...stop having it done to 12 year olds. It would also be fantastic if we could improve our mental health care as I believe it's the core issue of this problem. Amazingly we can do also argue more than one thing..I know this is a difficult concept for you to understand.
Funny you say that...you can't get a tat without your parents consent as a child.Unit2Sucks said:
When did conservatives stop valuing personal freedom? According to anecdotal evidence, about half of all tattoo recipients regret getting inked. Should we outlaw that? Why haven't conservatives ever taken notice of the growth in cosmetic surgery to teenagers in this country? Whether it's a nose job or breast reduction or augmentation, why do they not care about that? Does breast reduction only become a problem when it's someone transitioning?
Why do conservatives want to dictate that people can't obtain the medical care they want? Why is a 14 old enough to be a child bride but too young to make other consequential decisions?
I think we all know the answer - this has everything to do with hate and little to do with actual concern for anyone's well-being. None of these anti-trans people are advocating for more mental healthcare or anything else to help people. They just want to exercise the power of the state to prevent people they don't like from doing things they don't like.
sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
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When did conservatives stop valuing personal freedom? According to anecdotal evidence, about half of all tattoo recipients regret getting inked. Should we outlaw that? Why haven't conservatives ever taken notice of the growth in cosmetic surgery to teenagers in this country? Whether it's a nose job or breast reduction or augmentation, why do they not care about that? Does breast reduction only become a problem when it's someone transitioning?
Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
Cal88 said:
You're out of touch
Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
Unit2Sucks said:
When did conservatives stop valuing personal freedom? According to anecdotal evidence, about half of all tattoo recipients regret getting inked. Should we outlaw that? Why haven't conservatives ever taken notice of the growth in cosmetic surgery to teenagers in this country? Whether it's a nose job or breast reduction or augmentation, why do they not care about that? Does breast reduction only become a problem when it's someone transitioning?
Why do conservatives want to dictate that people can't obtain the medical care they want? Why is a 14 old enough to be a child bride but too young to make other consequential decisions?
I think we all know the answer - this has everything to do with hate and little to do with actual concern for anyone's well-being. None of these anti-trans people are advocating for more mental healthcare or anything else to help people. They just want to exercise the power of the state to prevent people they don't like from doing things they don't like.
dajo9 said:Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
That's just right wing framing
Big C said:dajo9 said:Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
That's just right wing framing
Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?
Big C said:dajo9 said:Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
That's just right wing framing
Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?
They're children. Repeat that phrase. They look to parents to protect them. Even if they are incapable of doing it themselves. That's why we tell them, don't touch the stove, it's hot.dajo9 said:Big C said:dajo9 said:Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
That's just right wing framing
Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?
I just try not to judge people I know nothing about no matter the age. Are you saying there isn't one kid aged 4-11 who feels they are completely in the wrong body. And that we should just ignore their complaints or behaviors or tears?
sycasey said:Big C said:dajo9 said:Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
That's just right wing framing
Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?
Does your experience suggest that adults are aggressively pushing a "trans" identity on the kids you know about?
MinotStateBeav said:They're children. Repeat that phrase. They look to parents to protect them. Even if they are incapable of doing it themselves. That's why we tell them, don't touch the stove, it's hot.dajo9 said:Big C said:dajo9 said:Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
That's just right wing framing
Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?
I just try not to judge people I know nothing about no matter the age. Are you saying there isn't one kid aged 4-11 who feels they are completely in the wrong body. And that we should just ignore their complaints or behaviors or tears?
Can you remind us again what type of medical doctor you are and why your expertise is superior to the academy? Is your expertise limiting to dictating what gender affirming care the "small government" you pretend to advocate for can allow or are there other areas where you believe your expertise should supervene all others?movielover said:Unit2Sucks said:
When did conservatives stop valuing personal freedom? According to anecdotal evidence, about half of all tattoo recipients regret getting inked. Should we outlaw that? Why haven't conservatives ever taken notice of the growth in cosmetic surgery to teenagers in this country? Whether it's a nose job or breast reduction or augmentation, why do they not care about that? Does breast reduction only become a problem when it's someone transitioning?
Why do conservatives want to dictate that people can't obtain the medical care they want? Why is a 14 old enough to be a child bride but too young to make other consequential decisions?
I think we all know the answer - this has everything to do with hate and little to do with actual concern for anyone's well-being. None of these anti-trans people are advocating for more mental healthcare or anything else to help people. They just want to exercise the power of the state to prevent people they don't like from doing things they don't like.
I can point to two obvious biological reasons why we shouldn't perform sex change procedures on 12 year olds. Can you?
A 12 year old also can't consent; especially when adults are ignorant or lying to them.
If I recall correctly, Dr. Renee Richards took years of therapy and years to transition. Why are we speed-tracking Tik Tok diagnosis of children?
Two decades ago I tried to read up on the topic, and there is very little in-depth, longitudinal data on the topic. Many of these people lead very haphazard lives.
Do you have any idea why this phenomena / fad is primarily affecting young girls?
Why are you in such a rush to give a 12-year-old girl a double mastectomy, hormone blockers and hormones, when that all could still be done at 22 or 25? We can't teach children to read and write, but the same social studies teachers and amateur school counselors want to push sex change operations? Ridiculous.
And what happens to these - typically young girls - if you just leave them the hell alone?
dajo9 said:Big C said:dajo9 said:Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
That's just right wing framing
Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?
I just try not to judge people I know nothing about no matter the age. Are you saying there isn't one kid aged 4-11 who feels they are completely in the wrong body. And that we should just ignore their complaints or behaviors or tears?
Big C said:sycasey said:Big C said:dajo9 said:Big C said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Do you have any actual numbers as to how many kids are involved in these gender issues? A "growing segment" is pretty vague. That could mean it's gone from 10 million to 15 million kids or it could mean it's gone from 20 to 30 kids.Cal88 said:sycasey said:
My strongest opinion on this trans issue is that people spend way too much time worrying about a thing that affects a very small percentage of the population. I know why the right wing wants to make a big issue of it, and it's not because they are trying to help the population at large.
You're out of touch, this is not a marginal phenomenon among kids today. Gender dysphoria is being actively promoted in a growing segment of the education system.
The other side seems just a little too eager to assign them as transgender.
That's just right wing framing
Maybe, maybe not. This is a very new question for our society. How about if we take kids who are, say, 4-11, and just accept and treasure them all as "kids"?
Does your experience suggest that adults are aggressively pushing a "trans" identity on the kids you know about?
I wouldn't use the word "aggressive". I will readily admit to not knowing the full stories, which is why I would say we should slow down a little bit and accept all kids as they are, without labeling them too early.
