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movielover
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movielover said:




If only we could appoint judges more quickly.

movielover
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MinotStateBeav
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dimitrig said:

movielover said:




If only we could appoint judges more quickly.


Or you know...deport detainees from Colombia or other safe nations because we're destroying social cohesion in our country by doing this free for all.
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MinotStateBeav said:

dimitrig said:

movielover said:




If only we could appoint judges more quickly.


Or you know...deport detainees from Colombia or other safe nations because we're destroying social cohesion in our country by doing this free for all.


Yup, we have a two million case backlog. But feel free to come in while we take years to figure out if we will let you be here. Then, if we decide years later you can't be here, it will be completely cruel as we take you away from where you now have roots. You can come back if though if you have babies here. Maybe have a baby while your case is pending for years?
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Why didn't Republicans change the amnesty laws when they controlled government in 2017-2018?
oski003
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dajo9 said:

Why didn't Republicans change the amnesty laws when they controlled government in 2017-2018?


Probably because too many rich people want to exploit cheap labor. The issue is further compounded by our inability to actually enforce the laws. It is so broken that folks wanting to change the laws can't agree on how to fix it.
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Why didn't Republicans change the amnesty laws when they controlled government in 2017-2018?


Probably because too many rich people want to exploit cheap labor. The issue is further compounded by are inability to actually enforce the laws. It is so broken that folks wanting to change the laws can't agree on how to fix it.


I could be wrong but I believe our amnesty laws require us to not send people back who are applying for amnesty. We can make excuses but if that is the law then that is the law.
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dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Why didn't Republicans change the amnesty laws when they controlled government in 2017-2018?


Probably because too many rich people want to exploit cheap labor. The issue is further compounded by are inability to actually enforce the laws. It is so broken that folks wanting to change the laws can't agree on how to fix it.


I could be wrong but I believe our amnesty laws require us to not send people back who are applying for amnesty. We can make excuses but if that is the law then that is the law.


We can't let asylum seekers come in at a rate 100x faster than we can process asylum claims. That defies all logic. The process creates a wave of non-asylum seekers pretending to be asylum seekers because they can live here for years before anybody processes them.
dimitrig
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Why didn't Republicans change the amnesty laws when they controlled government in 2017-2018?


Probably because too many rich people want to exploit cheap labor. The issue is further compounded by are inability to actually enforce the laws. It is so broken that folks wanting to change the laws can't agree on how to fix it.


I could be wrong but I believe our amnesty laws require us to not send people back who are applying for amnesty. We can make excuses but if that is the law then that is the law.


We can't let asylum seekers come in at a rate 100x faster than we can process asylum claims. That defies all logic. The process creates a wave of non-asylum seekers pretending to be asylum seekers because they can live here for years before anybody processes them.


Obviously the process needs to be fixed.
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Why didn't Republicans change the amnesty laws when they controlled government in 2017-2018?


Probably because too many rich people want to exploit cheap labor. The issue is further compounded by are inability to actually enforce the laws. It is so broken that folks wanting to change the laws can't agree on how to fix it.


I could be wrong but I believe our amnesty laws require us to not send people back who are applying for amnesty. We can make excuses but if that is the law then that is the law.


We can't let asylum seekers come in at a rate 100x faster than we can process asylum claims. That defies all logic. The process creates a wave of non-asylum seekers pretending to be asylum seekers because they can live here for years before anybody processes them.


I don't disagree with you but why didn't Trump and the Republicans fix the law in 2017-2018. On what grounds should the U.S. defy the law?
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Has anyone considered reading about the new asylum policy?

It's a lot closer to what Trump wanted than the GOP is willing to admit. It's really funny to hear people who don't really understand what's going on attack Biden based on false presumptions spoon fed by right wing agitprop.

In reality, Biden is under attack from the ACLU and human rights groups for not being more accommodating. It's obviously a no win situation, but at least the human rights groups understand the policies they are fighting.

Conservatives just want to complain about something even if it's a policy they favor and a subject area that doesn't really impact them at all (which is true for the vast majority of Americans).
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Unit2Sucks said:

Has anyone considered reading about the new asylum policy?

It's a lot closer to what Trump wanted than the GOP is willing to admit. It's really funny to hear people who don't really understand what's going on attack Biden based on false presumptions spoon fed by right wing agitprop.

In reality, Biden is under attack from the ACLU and human rights groups for not being more accommodating. It's obviously a no win situation, but at least the human rights groups understand the policies they are fighting.

Conservatives just want to complain about something even if it's a policy they favor and a subject area that doesn't really impact them at all (which is true for the vast majority of Americans).



Do you realize we are having a conversation about the flood of immigration and it is not centered around pointing fingers at a political party? This is a both party issue. You are seeing things that generally aren't there, even though there is dissatisfaction with Biden lifting Trump's Title 42, which sent Migrants to Mexico instead of within our borders.
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The real issue is that Congress hasn't done s*** about immigration for decades and the situation will not change much unless they do. The Executive Branch can only nibble around the edges.

Maybe it shouldn't be about finger-pointing at either party, but at least in recent years AFAIK whenever there has been an attempt at immigration reform it's been Republicans who have killed it. Not all Republicans, of course. Some have made real efforts at advancing new laws. But when it bogs down in the Senate it's because they lack Republican votes, not Democratic ones.
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The Mormon Church.
A $150 Billion Dollar Hedge Fund?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mormon-whistleblower-ensign-peak-church-investment-fund-allegations-60-minutes-transcript-2023-05-14/
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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movielover said:

DiabloWags said:

Jack Teixeira . . . your life is over punk.




Yes, punish the leaker of Pentagon Papers 2.0.

Not the war machine that sent hundreds of thousands of Ukranian young men to their certain deaths.

And Joe Biden and Lloyd Austin lied about military progress in Ukraine.

MAKE CONGRESS VOTE ON A DECLARATION OF WAR.
Here's your new Republican hero. I wonder when he will get in on the right wing grift machine?

Maybe he'll go on tour with the Kenosha Killer and the abhorrent racist in Texas being pardoned for killing a BLM protester. This kid will be more popular with the deplorables than ever.


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DiabloWags said:

The Mormon Church.
A $150 Billion Dollar Hedge Fund?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mormon-whistleblower-ensign-peak-church-investment-fund-allegations-60-minutes-transcript-2023-05-14/

From George Carlin:

"When it comes to bull****, big-time, major league bull****, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bull**** story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bull**** story. Holy ****!"

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Right on calpoly.
Start Slowly and taper off
Cal88
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DiabloWags
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calpoly said:

DiabloWags said:

The Mormon Church.
A $150 Billion Dollar Hedge Fund?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mormon-whistleblower-ensign-peak-church-investment-fund-allegations-60-minutes-transcript-2023-05-14/

From George Carlin:

"When it comes to bull****, big-time, major league bull****, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bull**** story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bull**** story. Holy ****!"



What's wrong?
You didnt dig the talking serpent "story" with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden at bedtime?
C'mon, who doesnt like a talking serpent???



And yet the Bible places the blame on Adam as the one who sinned against God and was responsible for the fall of mankind.
Even though it was Eve who had sinned first.

Ka-ching!

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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dimitrig said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Why didn't Republicans change the amnesty laws when they controlled government in 2017-2018?


Probably because too many rich people want to exploit cheap labor. The issue is further compounded by are inability to actually enforce the laws. It is so broken that folks wanting to change the laws can't agree on how to fix it.


I could be wrong but I believe our amnesty laws require us to not send people back who are applying for amnesty. We can make excuses but if that is the law then that is the law.


We can't let asylum seekers come in at a rate 100x faster than we can process asylum claims. That defies all logic. The process creates a wave of non-asylum seekers pretending to be asylum seekers because they can live here for years before anybody processes them.


Obviously the process needs to be fixed.

One of my sisters works for DHS handling asylum claims, mostly from Europe and Asia rather than from Latin America. Almost every year during the Trump administration their department budget was cut. Each time she had to sweat out whether she would be laid off, but fortunately for her, she survived each time. By the time Trump left office, their staff had 30% fewer people. I haven't heard her say if they hired replacements since Biden came in, but I doubt it. Having those people on the job would no reduce the backlog somewhat. But I'm not pointing fingers, lol, so back off oski003.
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DiabloWags
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Argentina.
Bwahahahahahhahhaaaaa!

A country with the GDP of Colorado.

Belarus, not even half of that.
Yawn.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Unit2Sucks
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sycasey said:

The real issue is that Congress hasn't done s*** about immigration for decades and the situation will not change much unless they do. The Executive Branch can only nibble around the edges.

Maybe it shouldn't be about finger-pointing at either party, but at least in recent years AFAIK whenever there has been an attempt at immigration reform it's been Republicans who have killed it. Not all Republicans, of course. Some have made real efforts at advancing new laws. But when it bogs down in the Senate it's because they lack Republican votes, not Democratic ones.
Sure but shouldn't any conversation like this be at least somewhat grounded in facts? I've been seeing disingenuous claims for months about the expiration of Title 42 and the flood of immigrants we would face. The reality is that 42 didn't penalize people for making multiple attempts to cross the border and probably led to a multiplier for that reason.

Things haven't gone as the GOP has expected (the surge didn't occur), so they are back to making up new claims - most recently that there will be future caravans. I guess all they have is the greatest hits.






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Unit2Sucks said:

sycasey said:

The real issue is that Congress hasn't done s*** about immigration for decades and the situation will not change much unless they do. The Executive Branch can only nibble around the edges.

Maybe it shouldn't be about finger-pointing at either party, but at least in recent years AFAIK whenever there has been an attempt at immigration reform it's been Republicans who have killed it. Not all Republicans, of course. Some have made real efforts at advancing new laws. But when it bogs down in the Senate it's because they lack Republican votes, not Democratic ones.
Sure but shouldn't any conversation like this be at least somewhat grounded in facts? I've been seeing disingenuous claims for months about the expiration of Title 42 and the flood of immigrants we would face. The reality is that 42 didn't penalize people for making multiple attempts to cross the border and probably led to a multiplier for that reason.

Things haven't gone as the GOP has expected (the surge didn't occur), so they are back to making up new claims - most recently that there will be future caravans. I guess all they have is the greatest hits.
Claims about "surges" or "invasions" at the border are usually overblown. The real issue is the slow, unwieldy process for people to apply for entry, which creates backlogs and then further knock-on issues. Congress has done nothing about that for a long time.
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DiabloWags said:

Argentina.
Bwahahahahahhahhaaaaa!

A country with the GDP of Colorado.

Belarus, not even half of that.
Yawn.

A big part of the reason why Argentina has the GDP of Colorado is that it has to use Colorado's currency to pay its Washington DC/Wall Street debt.



The BRICS already have a larger share of global GDP (PPP) than the G7, and by 2030, will make up the majority of global GDP PPP, will also be the source of the main economic growth, along with forming the majority of world population. The BRICS will pass the G7 even in nominal GDP within a decade:



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Cal88 said:


Provided by the person that has no idea about the scientific method and believes in a mythical creature in the sky!
Cal88
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calpoly said:

Cal88 said:


Provided by the person that has no idea about the scientific method and believes in a mythical creature in the sky!

It takes a bit of a critical perspective to realize that the scientific method and the cult of Scientism are two different things.
Cal88
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In Turkey, Erdogan is inching closer to reelection, very likely to win after getting 49.5% in the first round. The runoff will feature the top 2 candidates, same system as in France:

Quote:

The Central Election Commission of Turkey has officially announced the second round of presidential elections in the country, scheduled for May 28. None of the candidates won 50% of the vote.

Results of the first round:

Recep Tayyip Erdogan - 49.51%

Kemal Kilicdaroglu - 44.88%

Sinan Ogan - 5.17%

Muharem Ince - 0.44%.
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BREAKING: Russia Russia Russia had all the classic earmarks of a FBI-Democratic Party dsinformation operation.
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Cal88 said:

DiabloWags said:

Argentina.
Bwahahahahahhahhaaaaa!

A country with the GDP of Colorado.

Belarus, not even half of that.
Yawn.

A big part of the reason why Argentina has the GDP of Colorado is that it has to use Colorado's currency to pay its Washington DC/Wall Street debt.



The BRICS already have a larger share of global GDP (PPP) than the G7, and by 2030, will make up the majority of global GDP PPP, will also be the source of the main economic growth, along with forming the majority of world population. The BRICS will pass the G7 even in nominal GDP within a decade:






Nobody is stopping any of those countries from asking to borrow in any currency they want. If they don't borrow in USD it will be good for average Americans.
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TechnoFog is a sharp attorney who works quickly; his first take:











In a just world, many would face indictments.
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