tequila4kapp said:

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calbear93 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I welcome feedback from people in the actual know about the handling of these tax charges. Is this common? Is the penalty normal?

The gun thing...I have always believed one way you start decreasing gun crimes is to enforce the laws already on the books. I don't consider it a small thing to lie on the form. My personal belief is that should be punished pretty severely, regardless of the person's last name.

It is really hard to look at this and not feel there really are two tiers of justice with our so called Justice Department. Our institutions needs fundamental and wholesale change.

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I have been a big proponent of enforcing the law against Trump and more gun control. However, what the DOJ just did with the Bidens makes a mockery of all that bluster about more gun laws and the principle that no one is above the law. Need to get rid of both the corrupt Biden and the corrupt Trump. Cannot rationalize voting for Biden in 2024 just like I cannot rationalize voting for Trump.

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Not to get the thread too sideways but I agree with the bolded part. I am feeling more and more like I did when it appeared 2016 was going to be Clinton vs. Bush...really, in a nation of 330M people this is the best we can do? I'm out.

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Wow.
That's dumb.

Let me pose it to you this way:
If it comes down to Biden vs Trump, you're telling me that you don't have a preference? Because if you do and then don't vote, you might as well be voting for your non-preference.

Whether you're Julian Assange, Donald Trump, or Andrew Tate ... If you speak truth to power, the corrupt governments of the world will try to jail, bankrupt, and erase you.

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) June 20, 2023

(I don't follow Andrew Tate.)

So with the case settled, the evidence and case file should be available... but the DOJ then claims "ongoing investigation" to continue the cover up.

President Trump called it

FBI raids for J6 peaceful protestors & months of pre-trial detention

FBI raids for pro-life protestors

School board moms called “domestic terrorists”

FBI raids & indictments for Trump

But Hunter Biden?

He gets a hush hush plea deal & no jail time pic.twitter.com/ldJ6x6RbZB

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) June 20, 2023

concordtom said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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calbear93 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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I welcome feedback from people in the actual know about the handling of these tax charges. Is this common? Is the penalty normal?

The gun thing...I have always believed one way you start decreasing gun crimes is to enforce the laws already on the books. I don't consider it a small thing to lie on the form. My personal belief is that should be punished pretty severely, regardless of the person's last name.

It is really hard to look at this and not feel there really are two tiers of justice with our so called Justice Department. Our institutions needs fundamental and wholesale change.

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I have been a big proponent of enforcing the law against Trump and more gun control. However, what the DOJ just did with the Bidens makes a mockery of all that bluster about more gun laws and the principle that no one is above the law. Need to get rid of both the corrupt Biden and the corrupt Trump. Cannot rationalize voting for Biden in 2024 just like I cannot rationalize voting for Trump.

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Not to get the thread too sideways but I agree with the bolded part. I am feeling more and more like I did when it appeared 2016 was going to be Clinton vs. Bush...really, in a nation of 330M people this is the best we can do? I'm out.

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Wow.
That's dumb.

Let me pose it to you this way:
If it comes down to Biden vs Trump, you're telling me that you don't have a preference? Because if you do and then don't vote, you might as well be voting for your non-preference.

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You must not be familiar with electoral college. Living in the West Coast, voting for Biden was just a vote of disapproval for Trump and a statement that republicans need to do better for the country. CA was not going to swing to a red state status anytime soon. But I cannot vote for any openly corrupt president who doesn't even have all his marbles. If the democrats are saying they will expect everyone to vote for any sack of sh*t they put up who is not trump even if that sack of sh*t excuses corruption by saying he loves his son as if no other father loves his son, I will not participate. Democrats need to do better instead of preaching about gun laws they will not enforce against anyone who is not otherwise poor or disenfranchised and excusing corruption and putting up Biden who excuses Hunter. No thanks.

DiabloWags said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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The gun thing...I have always believed one way you start decreasing gun crimes is to enforce the laws already on the books. I don't consider it a small thing to lie on the form. My personal belief is that should be punished pretty severely, regardless of the person's last name.

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Prosecutors generally forgo pursuit of a charge if defendants submit to other training or treatment programs.

The U.S. Attorney in Delaware, David Weiss has agreed to recommend a sentence of probation as part of the plea agreement. A judge will ultimately decide the sentence.

And in case you didnt know, David Weiss was appointed by . . . wait for it .... wait for it..... Donald Trump.

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So all the poor and disenfranchised folks going to jail for gun possession violations chose jail over treatment? ok. That will reduce gun violence, and it had nothing to do with whose son Hunter is just like all those foreign corporations were hiring Hunter for his expertise and lobbyists were buying his art for the beauty of the paintings.

People actually should have the ability to think outside of Trump vs not Trump. There is a whole world of right and wrong beyond, before and after Trump.

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If you have a problem with my first sentence, take it up with the U.S. Attorney David Weiss who was appointed by Trump and quoted in the WSJ today.

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I have a problem with a justice system that treats the rich and powerful as above the law and uses the law as a means to control those who are disenfranchised. My justification for Trump having to go to jail is that the law should apply equally even to a former president. Not much I can argue when we just throw up our hands and say Hunter should get off because the system chose not to apply the law against the son of someone powerful. And this will really sway voters and legislators when Biden celebrates non prosecution of gun possession violation by his son but then promotes how we need more gun laws that will not be applied equally.

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Weiss was appointed by Donald Trump.

At the time of his nomination by Trump, Weiss was 1 of 9 candidates who Trump said shared his "vision"
for "Making America Safe Again".

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I don't care. I don't think along the lines of Trump vs non-Trump. I despise Trump. But I am also growing to despise Biden. Saying a weak ass prosecutor was appointed by Trump means nothing to me. Trump is an idiot and corrupt and it does not surprise me. But so is Biden.

Why do people hate Hillary Clinton?

I suspect it is because she's a strong woman and people fear strong women.

If you classify her with a jackass game show host like Trump you probably shouldn't be voting. Our country would be so much better off today if a few more people would have voted for her and Trump went back to his game show.

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Why do people hate Hillary Clinton?

I suspect it is because she's a strong woman and people fear strong women.

If you classify her with a jackass game show host like Trump you probably shouldn't be voting. Our country would be so much better off today if a few more people would have voted for her and Trump went back to his game show.

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Yeah, you nailed it. HRC is perfect. She is warm and friendly and everyone should love her. The ONLY reason anyone could even feign disdain in her general direction is misogyny, especially toward "strong" women. Jesus, what a stupid take, even by stupid OT standards.

concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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If you have a problem with my first sentence, take it up with the U.S. Attorney David Weiss who was appointed by Trump and quoted in the WSJ today.

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I have a problem with a justice system that treats the rich and powerful as above the law and uses the law as a means to control those who are disenfranchised. My justification for Trump having to go to jail is that the law should apply equally even to a former president. Not much I can argue when we just throw up our hands and say Hunter should get off because the system chose not to apply the law against the son of someone powerful. And this will really sway voters and legislators when Biden celebrates non prosecution of gun possession violation by his son but then promotes how we need more gun laws that will not be applied equally.

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I am glad to hear you say that you think Trump should go to jail.

But you are suggesting that Hunter should for his crime? Well, what is the normal sentencing guidelines for his crime? What actually was his crime? That he lied when purchasing the gun when he checked the box saying he was not using drugs?
Are you telling me that that is normally prosecuted with a jail sentence? Because, I don't believe that.

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Because anyone not otherwise blinded by tribalism understands how often folks in inner cities are arrested for illegal gun possession, often resulting in jail time or at least a felony criminal record. Isn't that the whole point of gun control laws - for it to have some real teeth?


https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/23/gun-violence-possession-police-chicago

So, how is someone on recording doing drugs, hiring prostitutes, and enabling human trafficking in Russia justified to not be prosecuted when so many poor black folks are going to jail with gun possession as the most serious charge?

Standard practice....sure.

concordtom said:

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dimitrig said:

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Why do people hate Hillary Clinton?

I suspect it is because she's a strong woman and people fear strong women.

If you classify her with a jackass game show host like Trump you probably shouldn't be voting. Our country would be so much better off today if a few more people would have voted for her and Trump went back to his game show.

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good question, and I agree with your concluding sentence.

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This is all camouflage for multiple felonies on the laptop from hell, and between $10 - $30 million in foreign cash infusion from Ukraine and China for the no-talent Biden family.

Sure sounds like you got it ALL figured out.
Maybe Trump should have appointed you for the U.S. Attorney in Delaware instead of David Weiss.

Funny, I don't hear any democrats going on a bender about how unfair it is that Hunter is being held to account.
I mean, the president's son, you'd think he could pull some strings, right?
Instead, the issue will go away.

Meanwhile, Trumpists are burying themselves with accusations.

It's a joke.

Hillary, Hunter…. Who's next?
Y'all need a new boogeyman.

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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If you have a problem with my first sentence, take it up with the U.S. Attorney David Weiss who was appointed by Trump and quoted in the WSJ today.

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I have a problem with a justice system that treats the rich and powerful as above the law and uses the law as a means to control those who are disenfranchised. My justification for Trump having to go to jail is that the law should apply equally even to a former president. Not much I can argue when we just throw up our hands and say Hunter should get off because the system chose not to apply the law against the son of someone powerful. And this will really sway voters and legislators when Biden celebrates non prosecution of gun possession violation by his son but then promotes how we need more gun laws that will not be applied equally.

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I am glad to hear you say that you think Trump should go to jail.

But you are suggesting that Hunter should for his crime? Well, what is the normal sentencing guidelines for his crime? What actually was his crime? That he lied when purchasing the gun when he checked the box saying he was not using drugs?
Are you telling me that that is normally prosecuted with a jail sentence? Because, I don't believe that.

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Because anyone not otherwise blinded by tribalism understands how often folks in inner cities are arrested for illegal gun possession, often resulting in jail time or at least a felony criminal record. Isn't that the whole point of gun control laws - for it to have some real teeth?


https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/23/gun-violence-possession-police-chicago

So, how is someone on recording doing drugs, hiring prostitutes, and enabling human trafficking in Russia justified to not be prosecuted when so many poor black folks are going to jail with gun possession as the most serious charge?

Standard practice....sure.

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Human trafficking in Russia?
I didn't hear anything about that today.
Prostitution is also not part of today's guilty plea.
You must be combining alt-news with what we are discussing.

I'm not up on ANY gun control prosecutions, inner city or otherwise. You don't seem to know either.

We can agree, however, that the law is never equally applied when it comes to rich vs poor, white vs black.

Yo, what he's plead guilty to is not checking the box, as I said, right?
You avoided my question and went on a rant. Please focus. Thanks.

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You clearly don't understand this. I posted a link showing evidence of how many inner city black youth are arrested and jailed for gun possession without priors. Then you have someone doing illegal drugs, engaging in prostitution and negotiating services for an illegal human trafficking Russian prostitution ring and he gets free pass for gun possession. You are choosing to act as if all this is normal. If he gets a pass for being white and rich then so should Trump. My view is the law should apply for all.


Why don't you focus and actually read what I posted instead of asking the same question when it has already been answered?

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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If you have a problem with my first sentence, take it up with the U.S. Attorney David Weiss who was appointed by Trump and quoted in the WSJ today.

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I have a problem with a justice system that treats the rich and powerful as above the law and uses the law as a means to control those who are disenfranchised. My justification for Trump having to go to jail is that the law should apply equally even to a former president. Not much I can argue when we just throw up our hands and say Hunter should get off because the system chose not to apply the law against the son of someone powerful. And this will really sway voters and legislators when Biden celebrates non prosecution of gun possession violation by his son but then promotes how we need more gun laws that will not be applied equally.

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I am glad to hear you say that you think Trump should go to jail.

But you are suggesting that Hunter should for his crime? Well, what is the normal sentencing guidelines for his crime? What actually was his crime? That he lied when purchasing the gun when he checked the box saying he was not using drugs?
Are you telling me that that is normally prosecuted with a jail sentence? Because, I don't believe that.

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Because anyone not otherwise blinded by tribalism understands how often folks in inner cities are arrested for illegal gun possession, often resulting in jail time or at least a felony criminal record. Isn't that the whole point of gun control laws - for it to have some real teeth?


https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/23/gun-violence-possession-police-chicago

So, how is someone on recording doing drugs, hiring prostitutes, and enabling human trafficking in Russia justified to not be prosecuted when so many poor black folks are going to jail with gun possession as the most serious charge?

Standard practice....sure.

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Human trafficking in Russia?
I didn't hear anything about that today.
Prostitution is also not part of today's guilty plea.
You must be combining alt-news with what we are discussing.

I'm not up on ANY gun control prosecutions, inner city or otherwise. You don't seem to know either.

We can agree, however, that the law is never equally applied when it comes to rich vs poor, white vs black.

Yo, what he's plead guilty to is not checking the box, as I said, right?
You avoided my question and went on a rant. Please focus. Thanks.

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You clearly don't understand this. I posted a link showing evidence of how many inner city black youth are arrested and jailed for gun violence without priors. Then you have someone doing illegal drugs, engaging in prostitution and negotiating services for an illegal human trafficking Russian prostitution ring and he gets free pass for gun possession. You are choosing to act as if all this is normal. If he gets a pass for being white and rich then so should Trump. My view is the law should apply for all.


Why don't you focus and actually read what I posted instead of asking the same question when it has already been answered?

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again with the prostitution thing?

calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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If you have a problem with my first sentence, take it up with the U.S. Attorney David Weiss who was appointed by Trump and quoted in the WSJ today.

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I have a problem with a justice system that treats the rich and powerful as above the law and uses the law as a means to control those who are disenfranchised. My justification for Trump having to go to jail is that the law should apply equally even to a former president. Not much I can argue when we just throw up our hands and say Hunter should get off because the system chose not to apply the law against the son of someone powerful. And this will really sway voters and legislators when Biden celebrates non prosecution of gun possession violation by his son but then promotes how we need more gun laws that will not be applied equally.

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I am glad to hear you say that you think Trump should go to jail.

But you are suggesting that Hunter should for his crime? Well, what is the normal sentencing guidelines for his crime? What actually was his crime? That he lied when purchasing the gun when he checked the box saying he was not using drugs?
Are you telling me that that is normally prosecuted with a jail sentence? Because, I don't believe that.

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Because anyone not otherwise blinded by tribalism understands how often folks in inner cities are arrested for illegal gun possession, often resulting in jail time or at least a felony criminal record. Isn't that the whole point of gun control laws - for it to have some real teeth?


https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/23/gun-violence-possession-police-chicago

So, how is someone on recording doing drugs, hiring prostitutes, and enabling human trafficking in Russia justified to not be prosecuted when so many poor black folks are going to jail with gun possession as the most serious charge?

Standard practice....sure.

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Human trafficking in Russia?
I didn't hear anything about that today.
Prostitution is also not part of today's guilty plea.
You must be combining alt-news with what we are discussing.

I'm not up on ANY gun control prosecutions, inner city or otherwise. You don't seem to know either.

We can agree, however, that the law is never equally applied when it comes to rich vs poor, white vs black.

Yo, what he's plead guilty to is not checking the box, as I said, right?
You avoided my question and went on a rant. Please focus. Thanks.

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You clearly don't understand this. I posted a link showing evidence of how many inner city black youth are arrested and jailed for gun possession without priors. Then you have someone doing illegal drugs, engaging in prostitution and negotiating services for an illegal human trafficking Russian prostitution ring and he gets free pass for gun possession. You are choosing to act as if all this is normal. If he gets a pass for being white and rich then so should Trump. My view is the law should apply for all.


Why don't you focus and actually read what I posted instead of asking the same question when it has already been answered?

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I don't need to read your long story link in order to agree with you in saying that not all crimes are penalized equally. I already stated that.

I also am not going to equate Hunter lying about drug use at time of gun purchase and the entire Trump classified documents chase. Give me a break. That's crazy of you to suggest that because of one guy's case, another guy's should be handled a particular way. The cases are quite different!

If you want to get into prostitution /women comparisons with Hunter and Trump, pffft! Trump is far more guilty in this area of life.

If you want to get into comparisons about cheating on taxes, Trump is far more guilty in this comparison of life.

I'm shocked you are trying to equate the two.

tequila4kapp said:

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dimitrig said:

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Why do people hate Hillary Clinton?

I suspect it is because she's a strong woman and people fear strong women.

If you classify her with a jackass game show host like Trump you probably shouldn't be voting. Our country would be so much better off today if a few more people would have voted for her and Trump went back to his game show.

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Yeah, you nailed it. HRC is perfect. She is warm and friendly and everyone should love her. The ONLY reason anyone could even feign disdain in her general direction is misogyny, especially toward "strong" women. Jesus, what a stupid take, even by stupid OT standards.

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Why don't you answer the question?

I don't want a warm and friendly President.

If Hillary was a man she would have won.

dimitrig said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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dimitrig said:

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Why do people hate Hillary Clinton?

I suspect it is because she's a strong woman and people fear strong women.

If you classify her with a jackass game show host like Trump you probably shouldn't be voting. Our country would be so much better off today if a few more people would have voted for her and Trump went back to his game show.

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Yeah, you nailed it. HRC is perfect. She is warm and friendly and everyone should love her. The ONLY reason anyone could even feign disdain in her general direction is misogyny, especially toward "strong" women. Jesus, what a stupid take, even by stupid OT standards.

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Why don't you answer the question?

I don't want a warm and friendly President.

If Hillary was a man she would have won.

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Hillary can still be a man.

Warm and friendly? No.

tequila4kapp said:

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Yeah, you nailed it. HRC is perfect. She is warm and friendly and everyone should love her.

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You're talking about Trump right?

Warm and friendly? Never plays the blame game. Never is mean to anyone via Twitter?
Never throws any of his own appointee's under the Bus, right?
Trump is full of RESPECT, right?
Warm and Friendly?

Bill Barr (Gutless Pig),
John Bolton (Moron)
John Kelly (very small brain),
Mick Mulvaney (Born Loser),
Mark Esper (weak and a lightweight)
James Mattis (world's most overrated General),
Rex Tillerson (Dumb as a Rock)
Kayleigh McEnany (Milktoast) ???

My God, what planet do you live on???

Delusional.

Bill Barr was appointed by Trump.
Christopher Wray was appointed by Trump.
Just like U.S. Delaware Attorney David Weiss was appointed by Trump.
Chris Christie was appointed by Trump as part of Trump's transition team.

I could go on and on but it's not worth my time.
You're narrative about The Swamp has been repeatedly proven to be FALSE

Trump hires the BEST people!