calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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calbear93 said:

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If you want to get into prostitution /women comparisons with Hunter and Trump, pffft! Trump is far more guilty in this area of life.

If you want to get into comparisons about cheating on taxes, Trump is far more guilty in this comparison of life.

I'm shocked you are trying to equate the two.

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You are so blinded by Trump that you only see things from the lens of Trump vs non-Trump.

If a serial killer said he doesn't like Trump, you will find a reason why the serial killer is not bad.

My point about his prostitution and enablement of human trafficking by Russians is that he actually had prior bad acts that are considered when determining sentencing.

Inner city kids without any priors are getting jail time with possession being the most serious charge.

I am not comparing with Trump. My world does not revolve around Trump vs. non-Trump like you.

My brain can actually function, and I can say that Trump deserves to go jail while also saying that Hunter Biden deserves to go to jail. Saying that Hunter is a rich person and, therefore, of course he will be given privilege is no more acceptable to me than saying of course Trump should not go to jail as a rich former president.

And if you think lying to get a gun is OK, then what the **** are we talking about more gun control and back ground check. Apparently it's all a joke.

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

---

The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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calbear93 said:

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movielover said:

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So you buy the MSM claptrap.

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I buy the indictment and the confessions and confirmations that Trump has provided on subsequent interviews like an idiot.

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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movielover said:

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So you buy the MSM claptrap.

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I buy the indictment and the confessions and confirmations that Trump has provided on subsequent interviews like an idiot.

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Yeah, you argue with many of us but it is confirmed multiple times that you get it with Trump.
You're not a deplorable idiot.

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concordtom said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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When did the Republican Senate recommend perjury charges for Trump Jr

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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BearHunter said:

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🚨This is literally still up on Justice’s main page on the pretrial diversion program.

Why is Hunter getting preferential treatment??https://t.co/NM5dKdJvfB pic.twitter.com/iDlgVxSJp8

— Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) June 20, 2023

The DOJ's website literally has a page explaining that the deal Hunter Biden got isn't supposed to be used for gun charges

What an absolute joke

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) June 20, 2023

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

---

So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

---

The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

---

Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

---

Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

---

That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

---

So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

---

The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

---

Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

---

Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Yes, and armed robbery as well as other things.

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So, when we say that 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months, why do you say we are lumping Biden with armed robbers. As shown clearly in the link you provided (do you actually read what you link?), the first of the federal firearm crimes identified is not armed robbery but the exact crime Biden was charged with. But unlike 94.2% of the population convicted with federal firearm violation, he gets a diversion where it doesn't even show up on his record. But that's typical, right?

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

---

That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

---

So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

---

The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

---

Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

---

Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Yes, and armed robbery as well as other things.

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So, when we say that 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months, why do you say we are lumping Biden with armed robbers. As shown clearly in the link you provided (do you actually read what you link?), the first of the federal firearm crimes identified is not armed robbery but the exact crime Biden was charged with. But unlike 94.2% of the population convicted with federal firearm violation, he gets a diversion where it doesn't even show up on his record. But that's typical, right?

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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That's not the full definition of "Federal Firearms Offenses". It's just one crime of many that falls into that category and makes up that statistic.

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Again, making up **** again.

Show me where I said that is the full definition.

In fact, I will point to number of instances, including what you quote (and I now highlighted) where I stated is the FIRST of the federal firearm offenseS.

Deflection again.

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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That's not the full definition of "Federal Firearms Offenses". It's just one crime of many that falls into that category and makes up that statistic.

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Again, making up **** again.

Show me where I said that is the full definition.

In fact, I will point to number of instances, including what you quote (and I now highlighted) where I stated is the FIRST of the federal firearm offenseS.

Deflection again.

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Show me where I said you said it was the full definition.

Your panties are in such a bunch you're getting all tangled up.

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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No just other people accused of the same crime but are not sons of a rich corrupt president. Ridiculous to compare poor people with families of presidents who should be above the law. At least he is not Trump so he should have instead been given a medal of honor for obtaining guns illegally.

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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"Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

The DOJ did commit one cardinal sin... this Democrat White Privilege move should have been revealed in a Friday afternoon.

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Data is hard to come by. I agree.

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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No just other people accused of the same crime but are not sons of a rich corrupt president. Ridiculous to compare poor people with families of presidents who should be above the law. At least he is not Trump so he should have instead been given a medal of honor for obtaining guns illegally.

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So you don't have the requested data either, huh?

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What?!

What are you now demanding from strangers?

Provide me with data that Biden didn't influence, despite messaging loud and clear that his son did nothing wrong while holding the power of the presidency and control of the DOJ, and that this was not a sweetheart deal despite the DATA that movielover provided that less than 1% of charges of illegally obtaining guns results in pretrial diversion and the link from the Marshall Project showing how often black kids in Chicago are sent to prison for illegal gun possession being the most severe charge without priors.

Show me the data that this was not a sweetheart deal and was not corruption by the Bidens.

I'm waiting.

Figured, no requested data, huh? Knew you were just making crap up.

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project:

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/23/gun-violence-possession-police-chicago


"But in Chicago, a town labeled as "ChiRaq," a "war zone," and a "murder capital," gun enforcement overwhelmingly focuses on possession crimes not use.

A Marshall Project analysis found that from 2010 to 2022, the police made more than 38,000 arrests for illegal gun possession. These arrests almost always a felony doubled during this timeframe. While illegal possession is the most serious offense in most of the cases we analyzed, the charges often bear misleading names that imply violence, like "aggravated unlawful use of a weapon."

Recent research shows that most people convicted in Illinois for felony gun possession don't go on to commit a violent crime, and the majority of those sentenced to prison for gun possession don't have past convictions for violence. Instead, people who already committed violent crimes are more likely to do so again."

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

---

That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

---

So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

---

The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

---

Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

---

Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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