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blungld
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Just to clearly understand both your rooting interest and point, are you predicting a Trump victory and wanting it? Please state your position on both clearly.
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Genocide Joe said:

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HIGHLIGHTS
  • President Biden's overall approval average at this point in his term is 44.1%, 2 percentage points higher than President Trump's average of 42.1% at this point in his term.

  • Congress' overall approval average under President Biden is 23.1%, 5 percentage points higher than its average of 18.1% at this point in President Trump's term.

  • Since President Biden took office, an average of 29.2% of Americans have felt the country is going in the right direction, 7.3 percentage points lower than the average of 36.6% who felt that way at this point in President Trump's term.


  • If you're suggesting that Biden is worse than Trump or that Trump has an advantage over Biden, I think you're wrong. Biden is flawed, Trump is a dangerous disaster and I think Americans will show that they agree in November.






    I don't believe these polls. Trump is not more popular now than 4 years ago.

    I think people are unhappy with Biden and are expressing that but when forced to cast a vote on Election Day they aren't voting for Trump.
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    blungld said:

    Just to clearly understand both your rooting interest and point, are you predicting a Trump victory and wanting it? Please state your position on both clearly.
    I'm rooting for a Biden loss. Some in your tribe get that confused with rooting for Trump, but then your tribe gets confused on lots of things.
    AunBear89
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    It's not that hard, Sock Puppet. In a two horse race, rooting for one horse to lose is the same as rooting for the other horse to win.

    I don't think your confusion has anything to do with which tribe you're in. I'm pretty sure you're confused because you aren't smart.
    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
    tequila4kapp
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    It's legit to dislike both candidates but to dislike one of them more. That is not the same thing as affirmatively liking the lesser evil candidate.
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    You are the one using the word "like". I understand that the vast majority of conservatives are confused by words. "Rooting for someone to win" is not the same as "liking".

    I want the Chiefs to win the Superbowl because I want to see Niner fans cry (AND it has the added bonus of upsetting dipshyte conservative Twitter and brainless MAGAts everywhere). As a Denver Broncos fan, I will always hate the Chiefs. See how that works?

    So, to summarize for the dim witted: rooting for Joe to lose is no different than rooting for Trump to win. No matter how much some idiot might hate Trump, clearly that idiot hates Joe more. Which, by definition, means he likes Trump more.
    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
    blungld
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    Genocide Joe said:

    blungld said:

    Just to clearly understand both your rooting interest and point, are you predicting a Trump victory and wanting it? Please state your position on both clearly.
    I'm rooting for a Biden loss. Some in your tribe get that confused with rooting for Trump, but then your tribe gets confused on lots of things.
    Let's try again. I didn't ask what other people say or think. I asked:

    1) Do you think Trump will win in 2024?

    2) Do you want Trump to win in 2024?


    Super easy questions for you to clarify what YOUR position and not the constant inference and jabs at other people.
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    Before anybody "stormed" the capitol building on J6

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    MinotStateBeav said:

    Before anybody "stormed" the capitol building on J6




    It looks like the protestors broke through the first police barrier prior to any munitions being shot. Correct me if I am wrong, but they do need to control a large crowd and may have no longer had the opportunity to use munitions if the crowd broke through the second.
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    oski003 said:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but.


    You should wear a t-shirt with this written on it.
    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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    AunBear89 said:

    oski003 said:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but.


    You should wear a t-shirt with this written on it.


    Why?
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    oski003 said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    Before anybody "stormed" the capitol building on J6




    It looks like the protestors broke through the first police barrier prior to any munitions being shot. Correct me if I am wrong, but they do need to control a large crowd and may have no longer had the opportunity to use munitions if the crowd broke through the second.
    Remember it was Ray Epps and friends who broke the initial bike rack perimeter. According to the J6 committee Ray Epps did nothing wrong. By opening fire into a large crowd..does that make them more compliant or effing p'd off? Most of the people getting hit by these munitions did nothing more than walk from Trumps speech to where they saw the large crowd gathering. So these Capitol police officers were hitting innocent people who had nothing to do with the bike racks getting run through.
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    MinotStateBeav said:

    oski003 said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    Before anybody "stormed" the capitol building on J6




    It looks like the protestors broke through the first police barrier prior to any munitions being shot. Correct me if I am wrong, but they do need to control a large crowd and may have no longer had the opportunity to use munitions if the crowd broke through the second.
    Remember it was Ray Epps and friends who broke the initial bike rack perimeter. According to the J6 committee Ray Epps did nothing wrong. By opening fire into a large crowd..does that make them more compliant or effing p'd off?


    Fair enough. Do you have a cohesive bullet point argument that would tie it all together?
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    oski003 said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    oski003 said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    Before anybody "stormed" the capitol building on J6




    It looks like the protestors broke through the first police barrier prior to any munitions being shot. Correct me if I am wrong, but they do need to control a large crowd and may have no longer had the opportunity to use munitions if the crowd broke through the second.
    Remember it was Ray Epps and friends who broke the initial bike rack perimeter. According to the J6 committee Ray Epps did nothing wrong. By opening fire into a large crowd..does that make them more compliant or effing p'd off?


    Fair enough. Do you have a cohesive bullet point argument that would tie it all together?

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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    AunBear89 said:

    oski003 said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    oski003 said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    Before anybody "stormed" the capitol building on J6




    It looks like the protestors broke through the first police barrier prior to any munitions being shot. Correct me if I am wrong, but they do need to control a large crowd and may have no longer had the opportunity to use munitions if the crowd broke through the second.
    Remember it was Ray Epps and friends who broke the initial bike rack perimeter. According to the J6 committee Ray Epps did nothing wrong. By opening fire into a large crowd..does that make them more compliant or effing p'd off?


    Fair enough. Do you have a cohesive bullet point argument that would tie it all together?




    It is okay aunbear89. I am sorry about what happened and hope you have better days ahead.
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    Don't you have another righteous righty wacko to service? Do you wear knee pads, or do you like a bit of rough?
    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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    AunBear89 said:

    Don't you have another righteous righty wacko to service? Do you wear knee pads, or do you like a bit of rough?


    It's not your fault. It's not your fault.
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    "Let's try again. I didn't ask what other people say or think. I asked:

    "1) Do you think Trump will win in 2024?"

    - Unless something dramatic happens over and over (we know Progressives will manipulate and twist a police shooting to rile up their base), President Trump will win a decisive nu.ber of votes
    - radical Democrats will rig dozens of key elections
    - the skinny is whether President Trump can win big enough to overcome corrupt Philadelphia, Atlanta, Twin Cities, Maricopa County, etc.
    - GOP chairwoman Rona helps to bury the MAGA movement

    "2) Do you want Trump to win in 2024?"

    Is Oski a Bear?
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    The Aunbears of the world don't realize the government hates him too.
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    movielover said:

    "Let's try again. I didn't ask what other people say or think. I asked:

    "1) Do you think Trump will win in 2024?"

    - Unless something dramatic happens over and over (we know Progressives will manipulate and twist a police shooting to rile up their base), President Trump will win a decisive nu.ber of votes
    - radical Democrats will rig dozens of key elections
    - the skinny is whether President Trump can win big enough to overcome corrupt Philadelphia, Atlanta, Twin Cities, Maricopa County, etc.
    - GOP chairwoman Rona helps to bury the MAGA movement

    "2) Do you want Trump to win in 2024?"

    Is Oski a Bear?
    It's a little interesting and telling that you think these are clear answers. A simple: Yes I think Trump will win and I want him to would answer the question. But you had to lace your answer with convoluted conspiracy and asterisks and disclaimers. I mean, it's almost like you don't actually have a clear position.

    Here, let me show you how easy it is:

    No, I do not think Trump will win and no I don't want him to win.


    You answer is like asking if Cal is going to win the conference next year and instead of actually ever taking a position you say "Well, if Cal's quarterback plyas better than his recruiting stars and we don't fumble more than once a game all season and the rest of the conference suffers injuries and...."

    I understand you might want to explain your opinion or expand upon it, but maybe lead with clear "yes" this is my opinion first?


    As a side note, it is kinda scary that you live in a world of your own imagination and tribal loyalty where evil Democrats have secret plans that rob reality when you have ZERO evidence of this, but we have actual sworn testimony and documentation of Trump's machine devising and implementing a plan to steal an election along with years and years of force fed lies to the public that these people admit to being lies, and are proven to be lies in court....but you still think that it is the Democrats who are the ones you really got to watch out for. It's fundamentally bizarre.
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    Genocide Joe said:

    blungld said:

    Just to clearly understand both your rooting interest and point, are you predicting a Trump victory and wanting it? Please state your position on both clearly.
    I'm rooting for a Biden loss. Some in your tribe get that confused with rooting for Trump, but then your tribe gets confused on lots of things.
    Is the great Oz, er Genocide Sock Puppet going to actually give a straight answer or is he just another of the blowhards on these boards who are super super opinionated and active with accusations and incredulousness but won't go on record with a clear "this is my position." Ask a straight question and suddenly they go silent and run away.
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    blungld said:

    Genocide Joe said:

    blungld said:

    Just to clearly understand both your rooting interest and point, are you predicting a Trump victory and wanting it? Please state your position on both clearly.
    I'm rooting for a Biden loss. Some in your tribe get that confused with rooting for Trump, but then your tribe gets confused on lots of things.
    Is the great Oz, er Genocide Sock Puppet going to actually give a straight answer or is he just another of the blowhards on these boards who are super super opinionated and active with accusations and incredulousness but won't go on record with a clear "this is my position." Ask a straight question and suddenly they go silent and run away.
    I dunno, I think he's been pretty clear: he just wants Democrats to lose and doesn't care about the rest. I had Yogi pegged with this chart some time ago, and I see no reason to revise.

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    Super Ukranian leftist, Serious Sam, has not one, but two Ukrainian flags on his tweet.
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    blungld said:

    Genocide Joe said:

    blungld said:

    Just to clearly understand both your rooting interest and point, are you predicting a Trump victory and wanting it? Please state your position on both clearly.
    I'm rooting for a Biden loss. Some in your tribe get that confused with rooting for Trump, but then your tribe gets confused on lots of things.
    Let's try again. I didn't ask what other people say or think. I asked:

    1) Do you think Trump will win in 2024?

    2) Do you want Trump to win in 2024?


    Super easy questions for you to clarify what YOUR position and not the constant inference and jabs at other people.
    Or similar question:

    3) Assuming Biden vs. Trump, will you most likely vote for Trump in November?


    Let's put our cards on the table. (if you're somebody for whom we already know the answer, no need to restate)
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    Big C said:



    Or similar question:

    3) Assuming Biden vs. Trump, will you most likely vote for Trump in November?

    Let's put our cards on the table. (if you're somebody for whom we already know the answer, no need to restate)
    I will go first. My current feeling is that I would not vote for Pres or I would consider a 3rd party candidate, like Manchin. And it won't matter anyways because I live in a solidly blue state.
    Lets Go Brandon 3
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    blungld said:

    Genocide Joe said:

    blungld said:

    Just to clearly understand both your rooting interest and point, are you predicting a Trump victory and wanting it? Please state your position on both clearly.
    I'm rooting for a Biden loss. Some in your tribe get that confused with rooting for Trump, but then your tribe gets confused on lots of things.
    Let's try again.
    Some people become hard of hearing. You're apparently hard of reading.
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    Jack Smith's J6 Court Case Removed from docket.
    https://thepostmillennial.com/just-in-trump-dc-election-interference-case-removed-from-court-docket

    The J6 case against Donald Trump has been dropped from the court's public calendar in Washington, DC. The case, brought by special counsel Jack Smith and presided over by Judge Tanya Chutkan, currently has motions pending that are on appeal.

    "Former president Donald Trump's March 4 trial date on charges of plotting to overturn the results of the 2020 election has been dropped from the public calendar of the federal court in Washington, a sign of what has long been anticipated that his claim of presidential immunity from criminal prosecution would delay his trial while it remains on appeal," the Washington Post reports.

    The motion currently on appeal is one brought by Trump's attorneys stating that he has presidential immunity from the charges as he was still in office at the time the alleged offenses occurred. Trump brought the motion to Chutkan, who denied it, and Trump then appealed.

    Smith took the motion to the Supreme Court and asked them to rule on it quickly, but the court declined to do so, leaving the matter for the lower court to decide. This process has caused a delay of the trial that Smith wanted to ram through the court system as quickly as possible.

    Chutkan had said that trial deadlines would be suspended as the motion brought by Trump moves through the appeals court. President Joe Biden's Department of Justice has accused Trump of staging the J6 riot, which happened while Trump was still in office.

    Trump faces a RICO case in Georgia brought by Fulton County DA Fani Willis, who is now facing her own crisis after it was revealed that she hired a man to work on the prosecutorial team with whom she was having an affair. Willis has been subpoenaed by one of the 18-codefendants in the case, Michael Roman.

    The case brought by Manhattan DC Alvin Bragg will likely move forward this spring. Trump is accused of having recorded payments made to his attorneys as legal fees in his bookkeeping records, though Bragg claims the funds in question were intended as "hush money" to a porn star with whom Trump allegedly had a dalliance. Bragg has claimed that these misdemeanor charges are actually felonies, though he has not revealed what felony he believes these suspected misdemeanors were in service too. A pretrial hearing is on February 15.

    In a Florida federal court, Trump faces charges of hanging onto classified documents after leaving office. That case is tied up as the Biden attorneys sort out how to view the classified documents in question. Trump has said that under the Presidential Records Act he had the right to designate which documents he would retain for personal use.

    "Chutkan also has acknowledged that Trump's March trial was off. On Jan. 24, for example, Chutkan scheduled a new trial for April 2, when Trump's projected six- to eight-week trial would have been ongoing. On Wednesday, Chutkan set a March 18 hearing for another defendant, saying, 'I suspect in March I will not be in trial,'" the Post reported.
    blungld
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    Congratulations on still not answering. Why is it so hard to just say I predict Trump will win in 2024 and that is the result I want (and that is who I am voting for) if that is your position?
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    RIP Carl Weathers, Rocky icon.
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    One thing I never knew was that Carl Weathers was a linebacker at San Diego State.
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    This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.
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    MinotStateBeav said:

    This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.

    Can you name people in the US being banned from buying tickets to US sporting events because of their social media posts? That's pretty despicable of the Premiere League, if true, but it sounds like another weird conspiracy theory based on one person's claims.
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    Eastern Oregon Bear said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.

    Can you name people in the US being banned from buying tickets to US sporting events because of their social media posts? That's pretty despicable of the Premiere League, if true, but it sounds like another weird conspiracy theory based on one person's claims.


    Quote:

    The number of people being arrested for "online crimes of speech" have increased dramatically in London.
    While arrests for aggressive, threatening or hateful speech on social media declined between 2010 and 2013, the numbers rose last year.

    According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending "offensive" messages via social media. In 2015, 857 people were detained, up 37 per cent increase since 2010.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html

    500 arrests per year in London alone, and that was several years ago. Posting wrongthink in Orwell's country is far more dangerous statistically speaking than doing the same in China or Russia.
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    Cal88 said:

    Eastern Oregon Bear said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.

    Can you name people in the US being banned from buying tickets to US sporting events because of their social media posts? That's pretty despicable of the Premiere League, if true, but it sounds like another weird conspiracy theory based on one person's claims.


    Quote:

    The number of people being arrested for "online crimes of speech" have increased dramatically in London.
    While arrests for aggressive, threatening or hateful speech on social media declined between 2010 and 2013, the numbers rose last year.

    According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending "offensive" messages via social media. In 2015, 857 people were detained, up 37 per cent increase since 2010.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html

    500 arrests per year in London alone, and that was several years ago. Posting wrongthink in Orwell's country is far more dangerous statistically speaking than doing the same in China or Russia.
    Ok, that's not sounding right, but I'd like to know what sorts of social media posts were involved. There are levels of offensiveness. I dislike <XXX> vs Kill every <XXX>! .Minot's video talked to one person who was banned from buying Premiere League tickets and they were launching a major investigation into the Premiere League. It's their time, money and energy, but I'd hope they have more than 1 case and some proof. It doesn't make sense that they were spending very large sums of money to investigate tens of thousands of ticket holders to find a few people to ban. How do you even determine the social media accounts of all those people?

    As for the rest of my post (the main part, not the aside you jumped on), Minot proposed setting up a similar organization to fight these types of arrests in the US. I was asking whether there are any arrests of that type in the US to be investigated.
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    Eastern Oregon Bear said:

    MinotStateBeav said:

    This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.

    Can you name people in the US being banned from buying tickets to US sporting events because of their social media posts? That's pretty despicable of the Premiere League, if true, but it sounds like another weird conspiracy theory based on one person's claims.

    Conspiracy theory? Weird defense of what's happening there, that organization works in England on trying to protect people's right to speech there. It sounds perfectly plausible to me since we've seen these kinds of arrests that have been happening over there for quite awhile now. Pretty hypocritical of a team owned by the Saudi Prince though, I guess she's lucky she didn't get a trip to the embassy.
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