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MinotStateBeav
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Cal88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.

Can you name people in the US being banned from buying tickets to US sporting events because of their social media posts? That's pretty despicable of the Premiere League, if true, but it sounds like another weird conspiracy theory based on one person's claims.


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The number of people being arrested for "online crimes of speech" have increased dramatically in London.
While arrests for aggressive, threatening or hateful speech on social media declined between 2010 and 2013, the numbers rose last year.

According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending "offensive" messages via social media. In 2015, 857 people were detained, up 37 per cent increase since 2010.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html

500 arrests per year in London alone, and that was several years ago. Posting wrongthink in Orwell's country is far more dangerous statistically speaking than doing the same in China or Russia.
I'm not asking about the UK. Minot proposed setting up a similar organization to fight these types of arrests in the US. I'm asking whether there are any arrests of that type in the US to be investigated.
No I didn't. I was wondering if these kinds of spy apparatus are being set up by professional sports leagues like the one that was spying on that woman. It sounds like its Premiere League doing it, but it could have been the team, not sure.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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MinotStateBeav said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.

Can you name people in the US being banned from buying tickets to US sporting events because of their social media posts? That's pretty despicable of the Premiere League, if true, but it sounds like another weird conspiracy theory based on one person's claims.

Conspiracy theory? Weird defense of what's happening there, that organization works in England on trying to protect people's right to speech there. It sounds perfectly plausible to me since we've seen these kinds of arrests that have been happening over there for quite awhile now. Pretty hypocritical of a team owned by the Saudi Prince though, I guess she's lucky she didn't get a trip to the embassy.
I see. I figured you wouldn't defend your suggestion that we needed to have a similar organization to defend sports fans being banned from buying tickets in the US..

Anyway, I didn't know that the UK arrests people for their social media posts. I'll drop this now as this isn't a hill I want to use my ammunition on.
sycasey
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The UK has much less robust free-speech protections than the US.
dajo9
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sycasey said:

The UK has much less robust free-speech protections than the US.

and why that's Biden's fault.
- NYTimesPitchbot
Cal88
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dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

The UK has much less robust free-speech protections than the US.

and why that's Biden's fault.
- NYTimesPitchbot

Biden was one of the main actors in pushing authoritarian legislation like the Patriot Act.

https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-antiterrorism-and-effective-death-penalty-act/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/surveillance-joe
dajo9
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Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

The UK has much less robust free-speech protections than the US.

and why that's Biden's fault.
- NYTimesPitchbot

Biden was one of the main actors in pushing authoritarian legislation like the Patriot Act.

https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-antiterrorism-and-effective-death-penalty-act/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/surveillance-joe


You are why NYTimesPitchbot has such a loyal following
Cal88
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Who?
tequila4kapp
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MinotStateBeav said:

This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.

Thank God we live in America and have the 1st Amendment.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Cal88 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.

Can you name people in the US being banned from buying tickets to US sporting events because of their social media posts? That's pretty despicable of the Premiere League, if true, but it sounds like another weird conspiracy theory based on one person's claims.


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The number of people being arrested for "online crimes of speech" have increased dramatically in London.
While arrests for aggressive, threatening or hateful speech on social media declined between 2010 and 2013, the numbers rose last year.

According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending "offensive" messages via social media. In 2015, 857 people were detained, up 37 per cent increase since 2010.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html

500 arrests per year in London alone, and that was several years ago. Posting wrongthink in Orwell's country is far more dangerous statistically speaking than doing the same in China or Russia.
Ok, that's not sounding right, but I'd like to know what sorts of social media posts were involved. There are levels of offensiveness. I dislike <XXX> vs Kill every <XXX>! .Minot's video talked to one person who was banned from buying Premiere League tickets and they were launching a major investigation into the Premiere League. It's their time, money and energy, but I'd hope they have more than 1 case and some proof. It doesn't make sense that they were spending very large sums of money to investigate tens of thousands of ticket holders to find a few people to ban. How do you even determine the social media accounts of all those people?

As for the rest of my post (the main part, not the aside you jumped on), Minot proposed setting up a similar organization to fight these types of arrests in the US. I was asking whether there are any arrests of that type in the US to be investigated.
"One example of an apparent violation was when Smith wrote: "It's like they're trying to trans the gay away. You're a young woman who likes sport? YOU'VE BEEN BORN IN THE WRONG BODY!!!! You're a young man who likes makeup and dressing up??? YOU'VE BEEN BORN IN THE WRONG BODY!!!! Make it make sense.""

Smith, the author of the online content, is herself a lesbian (biological) woman.
bear2034
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tequila4kapp said:

MinotStateBeav said:

This is kind of shocking..I wonder if these kinds of apparatus are being set up in the US.
Thank God we live in America and have the 1st Amendment.

Conservatives were told to build their own Twitter after FBI operatives inside Twitter and other social media tech companies were censoring and shadow banning.
Big C
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movielover said:

RIP Carl Weathers, Rocky icon.

movielover, as sort of a secret fan of yours -- sort of -- I have to warn you about concordtom's edict that all reports of deaths are supposed to go on his "Obituaries" thread. Maybe he gives you a pass this time, maybe not, but if you're planning on being in Concord any time in the next couple of weeks or so, watch your back, just to be safe.
Unit2Sucks
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Is anyone else worried that Trump is going to dominate the vote of ai-generated people of color? Maybe these are the same ones who serve as the inspiration for every story of his that starts with "sir."

Props to Trump though for recognizing figuring out how to prolong the grift.



movielover
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Another reason to avoid McDonalds.

SFCityBear
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movielover said:

Another reason to avoid McDonalds.


What a country we have. What great citizens we are producing.
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Big C
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SFCityBear said:

movielover said:

Another reason to avoid McDonalds.


What a country we have. What great citizens we are producing.

So depressing . . . I mean, I could see if it were the barbeque sauce, but . . .
movielover
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Jelly Roll.
MinotStateBeav
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Remember how they were saying "After 5000 illegals enter the border will close"..that was the Biden "Plan". Turns out in his Border Bill, the border actually never closes lol. It's dead on arrival.

oski003
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MinotStateBeav said:

Remember how they were saying "After 5000 illegals enter the border will close"..that was the Biden "Plan". Turns out in his Border Bill, the border actually never closes lol. It's dead on arrival.




But Biden said it was so strong! Ruff!
movielover
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Biden's a mouthpiece, he doesn't have the stamina or mental acuity to even read the Executive Summary of anything.

This is Obama, Obama acolytes, the Globalist WEF, lobbyists, Sullivan, Schumer, Pelosi, and the Administrative State (SES).
MinotStateBeav
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Joe Biden watches Morning Joe every morning and calls Joe Scarborough. Staffers say whatever is on the show is the focus of the President for that day. Kamala Harris watches Fox's The Five in hopes of hearing somebody talk about her.

Eastern Oregon Bear
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MinotStateBeav said:

Joe Biden watches Morning Joe every morning and calls Joe Scarborough. Staffers say whatever is on the show is the focus of the President for that day. Kamala Harris watches Fox's The Five in hopes of hearing somebody talk about her.


This is wrong? It was OK when it was Trump calling into every show on Fox, Newsmax and OAN.
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This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.

movielover
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dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.




Yes, the Biden Administration, UN, and likely the WEF manufactured this crisis.

What other nation not at war has allowed 8 Million illegal aliens into their country in 3 years in the past 120 years?
Unit2Sucks
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dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.


The GOP base has proven itself to be activated by these sorts of manufactured crises. If you can convince people in Montana and Idaho to worry about made up migrant caravans, why would you ever bother with the business of governing which is much more nuanced and policy driven.

Does the GOP care that Trump let in a higher percentage of apprehended border crossers than Biden? Nope.

Does the GOP care that Biden has apprehended more border crossers than Trump? Nope.

Does the GOP want to do anything about the border right now? Nope.

The GOP is about their power above all else and pretending they care about the border is a means to an end.
oski003
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movielover said:

dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.




Yes, the Biden Administration, UN, and likely the WEF manufactured this crisis.

What other nation not at war has allowed 8 Million illegal aliens into their country in 3 years in the past 120 years?


Mexico has allowed that many in on their way to the United States. God forbid they seek asylum there.
oski003
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Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.


The GOP base has proven itself to be activated by these sorts of manufactured crises. If you can convince people in Montana and Idaho to worry about made up migrant caravans, why would you ever bother with the business of governing which is much more nuanced and policy driven.

Does the GOP care that Trump let in a higher percentage of apprehended border crossers than Biden? Nope.

Does the GOP care that Biden has apprehended more border crossers than Trump? Nope.

Does the GOP want to do anything about the border right now? Nope.

The GOP is about their power above all else and pretending they care about the border is a means to an end.


While it is adorable that you spout a firehouse of falsehoods and misleadingly focus on percentage to bolster your weak argument, we should take into account that

"The number of illegal immigrants in the country has roughly doubled under President Biden. The United States had some 10.2 million illegal immigrants in 2020, and another 10 million have entered during Biden's presidency. If the 20 million illegal immigrants were all in one state, it would be tied with New York for the fourth most populated state."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/4423296-matthews-illegal-immigrants-double-under-biden-and-thats-just-the-start/amp/

MinotStateBeav
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oski003 said:

movielover said:

dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.




Yes, the Biden Administration, UN, and likely the WEF manufactured this crisis.

What other nation not at war has allowed 8 Million illegal aliens into their country in 3 years in the past 120 years?


Mexico has allowed that many in on their way to the United States. God forbid they seek asylum there.
Isn't that nuts. We really owe Mexico the favor for what they're doing.
dajo9
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oski003 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.


The GOP base has proven itself to be activated by these sorts of manufactured crises. If you can convince people in Montana and Idaho to worry about made up migrant caravans, why would you ever bother with the business of governing which is much more nuanced and policy driven.

Does the GOP care that Trump let in a higher percentage of apprehended border crossers than Biden? Nope.

Does the GOP care that Biden has apprehended more border crossers than Trump? Nope.

Does the GOP want to do anything about the border right now? Nope.

The GOP is about their power above all else and pretending they care about the border is a means to an end.


While it is adorable that you spout a firehouse of falsehoods and misleadingly focus on percentage to bolster your weak argument, we should take into account that

"The number of illegal immigrants in the country has roughly doubled under President Biden. The United States had some 10.2 million illegal immigrants in 2020, and another 10 million have entered during Biden's presidency. If the 20 million illegal immigrants were all in one state, it would be tied with New York for the fourth most populated state."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/4423296-matthews-illegal-immigrants-double-under-biden-and-thats-just-the-start/amp/




Do you ever get tired of being fed lies and then repeating them?
sycasey
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dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.


There is a legitimate problem at the border . . . too many people showing up and overwhelming the system.

That said, it is "manufactured" in the sense that the people who could really do something to fix the problem have just decided to use it to play politics.
DiabloWags
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dajo9 said:



Do you ever get tired of being fed lies and then repeating them?

You mean Oski?
The dumbest guy in OT?
The guy that claims to be managing a business .... but posts here 20 times a day to show how "bright" he is?

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
MinotStateBeav
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sycasey said:

dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.


There is a legitimate problem at the border . . . too many people showing up and overwhelming the system.

That said, it is "manufactured" in the sense that the people who could really do something to fix the problem have just decided to use it to play politics.
I agree. The president has all the tools at his disposal to stop it but instead is trying to gaslight the public that its congress that must pass funding to Ukraine in order to stop illegal aliens in the United States.
bear2034
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MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

dimitrig said:


This whole border thing is a manufactured crisis and it bores me.


There is a legitimate problem at the border . . . too many people showing up and overwhelming the system.

That said, it is "manufactured" in the sense that the people who could really do something to fix the problem have just decided to use it to play politics.
I agree. The president has all the tools at his disposal to stop it but instead is trying to gaslight the public that its congress that must pass funding to Ukraine in order to stop illegal aliens in the United States.

The gaslighting works too; half the people here fell for it.
DiabloWags
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bear2034 said:




The gaslighting works too; half the people here fell for it.

Like when Trump told you that the economy was the BEST EVER during his term and you believed him?
lol

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
bear2034
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DiabloWags said:

bear2034 said:




The gaslighting works too; half the people here fell for it.

Like when Trump told you that the economy was the BEST EVER during his term and you believed him?
lol


So, what you set you off this first Monday of February? The reality of the next four years with Trump as your president?
DiabloWags
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I couldnt care less if Trump is President again.
It won't impact me one bit. But perhaps you'll be able to move up from the car wash you've been working at?

"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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