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oski003
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dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

tequila4kapp said:

dajo9 said:

Contact your Congressperson and tell them to pass the legislation that would allow Biden to close the border. Time for Republicans to act.
There has always been some level of illegal immigration. It has exploded to unprecedented levels under Biden. The laws are fundamentally the same for him as they were for Trump, Obama, Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, etc. Let's not pretend that Biden is burdened by some new "missing law" or that but for said missing law illegal immigration would be at zero.



Your argument doesn't make any sense. We have outdated amnesty laws that migrant families have begun taking advantage of en masse. The U.S. economy is blowing out the rest of the world and so high numbers of people are trying to enter the country. Circumstances change and the laws need to keep up. Time for Congress to act.


Dajo9: We are having record breaking immigration because Biden made the U.S. so awesome.

The truth: We are having record breaking immigration because our federal government, led by Biden, has made the U.S. so awesome for illegal immigrants.


How are Biden immigration policies different than under Obama?


Biden repealed Trump's anti-illegal immigration executive orders.

Family members who made it to the U.S. "are relaying how easy the process is if you cross illegally."

"They have informed each other via social media and chat rooms that they are being released quicker [in some places] than other places and given a report date of three years from their release date," said the first official. "When it's so easy to turn yourself in and you get released in a day … who wouldn't come?"

With an upcoming election with a Republican frontrunner running an anti-immigration campaign against the current president who repealed Trump's policies, it would make sense to come now before it gets difficult to do so.

Here is an example of a democrat policy encouraging illegal immigration:

https://calmatters.org/health/2023/12/undocumented-health-insurance-new-california-laws-2024/#:~:text=Medi%2DCal%20expansion%20aids%201.8,the%20largest%20number%20of%20enrollees.

Medi-Cal expansion aids 1.8 million undocumented immigrants. Since 2016, California has incrementally expanded Medi-Cal to undocumented immigrants. The last and final expansion on Jan. 1, 2024 for adults ages 26 to 49 is projected to have the largest number of enrollees.
dajo9
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

tequila4kapp said:

dajo9 said:

Contact your Congressperson and tell them to pass the legislation that would allow Biden to close the border. Time for Republicans to act.
There has always been some level of illegal immigration. It has exploded to unprecedented levels under Biden. The laws are fundamentally the same for him as they were for Trump, Obama, Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, etc. Let's not pretend that Biden is burdened by some new "missing law" or that but for said missing law illegal immigration would be at zero.



Your argument doesn't make any sense. We have outdated amnesty laws that migrant families have begun taking advantage of en masse. The U.S. economy is blowing out the rest of the world and so high numbers of people are trying to enter the country. Circumstances change and the laws need to keep up. Time for Congress to act.


Dajo9: We are having record breaking immigration because Biden made the U.S. so awesome.

The truth: We are having record breaking immigration because our federal government, led by Biden, has made the U.S. so awesome for illegal immigrants.


How are Biden immigration policies different than under Obama?


Biden repealed Trump's anti-illegal immigration executive orders.

Family members who made it to the U.S. "are relaying how easy the process is if you cross illegally."

"They have informed each other via social media and chat rooms that they are being released quicker [in some places] than other places and given a report date of three years from their release date," said the first official. "When it's so easy to turn yourself in and you get released in a day … who wouldn't come?"

With an upcoming election with a Republican frontrunner running an anti-immigration campaign against the current president who repealed Trump's policies, it would make sense to come now before it gets difficult to do so.

Here is an example of a democrat policy encouraging illegal immigration:

https://calmatters.org/health/2023/12/undocumented-health-insurance-new-california-laws-2024/#:~:text=Medi%2DCal%20expansion%20aids%201.8,the%20largest%20number%20of%20enrollees.

Medi-Cal expansion aids 1.8 million undocumented immigrants. Since 2016, California has incrementally expanded Medi-Cal to undocumented immigrants. The last and final expansion on Jan. 1, 2024 for adults ages 26 to 49 is projected to have the largest number of enrollees.


So immigration into Texas is sky high under Biden compared to Obama despite immigration laws being the same.

Old amnesty laws are being abused. Change the laws. Congress needs to act.
oski003
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dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

tequila4kapp said:

dajo9 said:

Contact your Congressperson and tell them to pass the legislation that would allow Biden to close the border. Time for Republicans to act.
There has always been some level of illegal immigration. It has exploded to unprecedented levels under Biden. The laws are fundamentally the same for him as they were for Trump, Obama, Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, etc. Let's not pretend that Biden is burdened by some new "missing law" or that but for said missing law illegal immigration would be at zero.



Your argument doesn't make any sense. We have outdated amnesty laws that migrant families have begun taking advantage of en masse. The U.S. economy is blowing out the rest of the world and so high numbers of people are trying to enter the country. Circumstances change and the laws need to keep up. Time for Congress to act.


Dajo9: We are having record breaking immigration because Biden made the U.S. so awesome.

The truth: We are having record breaking immigration because our federal government, led by Biden, has made the U.S. so awesome for illegal immigrants.


How are Biden immigration policies different than under Obama?


Biden repealed Trump's anti-illegal immigration executive orders.

Family members who made it to the U.S. "are relaying how easy the process is if you cross illegally."

"They have informed each other via social media and chat rooms that they are being released quicker [in some places] than other places and given a report date of three years from their release date," said the first official. "When it's so easy to turn yourself in and you get released in a day … who wouldn't come?"

With an upcoming election with a Republican frontrunner running an anti-immigration campaign against the current president who repealed Trump's policies, it would make sense to come now before it gets difficult to do so.

Here is an example of a democrat policy encouraging illegal immigration:

https://calmatters.org/health/2023/12/undocumented-health-insurance-new-california-laws-2024/#:~:text=Medi%2DCal%20expansion%20aids%201.8,the%20largest%20number%20of%20enrollees.

Medi-Cal expansion aids 1.8 million undocumented immigrants. Since 2016, California has incrementally expanded Medi-Cal to undocumented immigrants. The last and final expansion on Jan. 1, 2024 for adults ages 26 to 49 is projected to have the largest number of enrollees.


So immigration into Texas is sky high under Biden compared to Obama despite immigration laws being the same.

Old amnesty laws are being abused. Change the laws. Congress needs to act.


The current "immigration law," which allocates 80% of its spending on things unrelated to immigration, is better than doing nothing, especially in light of all the other democrat policies that encourage illegal immigration, coupled with Biden's repeal of Trump's anti-illegal immigration executive orders. With that being said, what is wrong with the Republican drafted immigration law? Why can't we pass that one?
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dajo9 said:

SFCityBear said:

dajo9 said:

Contact your Congressperson and tell them to pass the legislation that would allow Biden to close the border. Time for Republicans to act.
Let's not be silly. For one thing, Biden himself said that he wanted the money for more judges, and this would give him the capability to process more of the migrants crossing the border. This does nothing to close the border. All it does is open the border further, and let more immigrants in, along with permission to stay.


You sound ignorant of the process and purposefully selective of the message

The deal was mostly what Republicans wanted (or said they wanted).
dajo9
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

tequila4kapp said:

dajo9 said:

Contact your Congressperson and tell them to pass the legislation that would allow Biden to close the border. Time for Republicans to act.
There has always been some level of illegal immigration. It has exploded to unprecedented levels under Biden. The laws are fundamentally the same for him as they were for Trump, Obama, Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, etc. Let's not pretend that Biden is burdened by some new "missing law" or that but for said missing law illegal immigration would be at zero.



Your argument doesn't make any sense. We have outdated amnesty laws that migrant families have begun taking advantage of en masse. The U.S. economy is blowing out the rest of the world and so high numbers of people are trying to enter the country. Circumstances change and the laws need to keep up. Time for Congress to act.


Dajo9: We are having record breaking immigration because Biden made the U.S. so awesome.

The truth: We are having record breaking immigration because our federal government, led by Biden, has made the U.S. so awesome for illegal immigrants.


How are Biden immigration policies different than under Obama?


Biden repealed Trump's anti-illegal immigration executive orders.

Family members who made it to the U.S. "are relaying how easy the process is if you cross illegally."

"They have informed each other via social media and chat rooms that they are being released quicker [in some places] than other places and given a report date of three years from their release date," said the first official. "When it's so easy to turn yourself in and you get released in a day … who wouldn't come?"

With an upcoming election with a Republican frontrunner running an anti-immigration campaign against the current president who repealed Trump's policies, it would make sense to come now before it gets difficult to do so.

Here is an example of a democrat policy encouraging illegal immigration:

https://calmatters.org/health/2023/12/undocumented-health-insurance-new-california-laws-2024/#:~:text=Medi%2DCal%20expansion%20aids%201.8,the%20largest%20number%20of%20enrollees.

Medi-Cal expansion aids 1.8 million undocumented immigrants. Since 2016, California has incrementally expanded Medi-Cal to undocumented immigrants. The last and final expansion on Jan. 1, 2024 for adults ages 26 to 49 is projected to have the largest number of enrollees.


So immigration into Texas is sky high under Biden compared to Obama despite immigration laws being the same.

Old amnesty laws are being abused. Change the laws. Congress needs to act.


The current "immigration law," which allocates 80% of its spending on things unrelated to immigration, is better than doing nothing, especially in light of all the other democrat policies that encourage illegal immigration, coupled with Biden's repeal of Trump's anti-illegal immigration executive orders. With that being said, what is wrong with the Republican drafted immigration law? Why can't we pass that one?


The Republican bill is not bipartisan and has no compromises from Republicans. That is not how legislation gets made in America. That kind of thing is just for talking points.

We have a bipartisan opportunity right now to reform amnesty, increase border security, and close the border but House Republicans won't act.
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oski003 said:

With that being said, what is wrong with the Republican drafted immigration law? Why can't we pass that one?
Because Democrats still hold 51 votes in the Senate and the White House, so you need something that enough of them can accept. Something extremely far-right like the House bill is not going to get that support.

But I think you knew that.
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sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

SFCityBear said:

dajo9 said:

Contact your Congressperson and tell them to pass the legislation that would allow Biden to close the border. Time for Republicans to act.
Let's not be silly. For one thing, Biden himself said that he wanted the money for more judges, and this would give him the capability to process more of the migrants crossing the border. This does nothing to close the border. All it does is open the border further, and let more immigrants in, along with permission to stay.


You sound ignorant of the process and purposefully selective of the message

The deal was mostly what Republicans wanted (or said they wanted).


It didn't include the keys to the WH, so they changed their mind. Trump threatened to expose his compromat On them.
concordtom
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dajo9 said:

Dems pick up the Santos seat in the House as Suozzi wins by 8% after polling ahead by 3%. Where are Republicans on election day? Are they shy?

I think the theory was they were going to die of Covid because they were fed a bunch of antivax nonsense, no?
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sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

dajo9 said:

Contact your Congressperson and tell them to pass the legislation that would allow Biden to close the border. Time for Republicans to act.
There has always been some level of illegal immigration. It has exploded to unprecedented levels under Biden. The laws are fundamentally the same for him as they were for Trump, Obama, Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, etc. Let's not pretend that Biden is burdened by some new "missing law" or that but for said missing law illegal immigration would be at zero.

Let's also not pretend that immigration is only affected by the actions of the US President. There are a ton of external factors.


(Insert graphics of stock market, unemployment, inflation for those who disagree. It's all Biden's fault credit!)
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DiabloWags said:

bear2034 said:

AunBear89 said:

I feel bad for cry baby snowflake conservative tough guys getting all bent out of shape over silly stuff.

I felt bad for Obama when they found his personal chef dead with no pants on.

I didn't feel bad for Trump when the 5-time draft dodger weighed in on McCain, our fallen boys in the military at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetary who he called "losers" and "suckers" . . . who lost their lives at Belleau Wood for getting killed, never mind taking shots at Nikki Haley's husband who is serving our Country.

Trump is seriously deranged.
He's not an American.

I'm not religious, but I do pray that he comes down with an aggressive form of cancer and dies in 6 months.
Then, he can be buried on his golf course next to Ivanka.

Trump's contempt for military service - The Atlantic

Anonymous sources as reported by the esteemed, the Atlantic? LOL.

Seriously, do you think Michelle is ok with all this action Barry is getting?
Eastern Oregon Bear
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bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

bear2034 said:

AunBear89 said:

I feel bad for cry baby snowflake conservative tough guys getting all bent out of shape over silly stuff.

I felt bad for Obama when they found his personal chef dead with no pants on.

I didn't feel bad for Trump when the 5-time draft dodger weighed in on McCain, our fallen boys in the military at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetary who he called "losers" and "suckers" . . . who lost their lives at Belleau Wood for getting killed, never mind taking shots at Nikki Haley's husband who is serving our Country.

Trump is seriously deranged.
He's not an American.

I'm not religious, but I do pray that he comes down with an aggressive form of cancer and dies in 6 months.
Then, he can be buried on his golf course next to Ivanka.

Trump's contempt for military service - The Atlantic

Anonymous sources as reported by the esteemed, the Atlantic? LOL.

Seriously, do you think Michelle is ok with all this action Barry is getting?
Dude, you don't even have anonymous sources for that.
sonofabear51
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Exactly.

Well said Diablo.
Start Slowly and taper off
Unit2Sucks
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tequila4kapp said:

Per ABC news:


If this report is accurate it sure feels like the Intel chairperson was irresponsible going public like this
Does this count as credible?

movielover
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Yup. Some claim our Big Ag manipulates markets.

bear2034
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

bear2034 said:

AunBear89 said:

I feel bad for cry baby snowflake conservative tough guys getting all bent out of shape over silly stuff.

I felt bad for Obama when they found his personal chef dead with no pants on.

I didn't feel bad for Trump when the 5-time draft dodger weighed in on McCain, our fallen boys in the military at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetary who he called "losers" and "suckers" . . . who lost their lives at Belleau Wood for getting killed, never mind taking shots at Nikki Haley's husband who is serving our Country.

Trump is seriously deranged.
He's not an American.

I'm not religious, but I do pray that he comes down with an aggressive form of cancer and dies in 6 months.
Then, he can be buried on his golf course next to Ivanka.

Trump's contempt for military service - The Atlantic

Anonymous sources as reported by the esteemed, the Atlantic? LOL.

Seriously, do you think Michelle is ok with all this action Barry is getting?
Dude, you don't even have anonymous sources for that.


Barry and Larry sitting in a tree.
tequila4kapp
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movielover said:

Yup. Some claim our Big Ag manipulates markets.


These things are incomplete. Cost of goods matters most in relationship to income. How much more do Americans make compared to Russians?
tequila4kapp
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bear2034 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

bear2034 said:

AunBear89 said:

I feel bad for cry baby snowflake conservative tough guys getting all bent out of shape over silly stuff.

I felt bad for Obama when they found his personal chef dead with no pants on.

I didn't feel bad for Trump when the 5-time draft dodger weighed in on McCain, our fallen boys in the military at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetary who he called "losers" and "suckers" . . . who lost their lives at Belleau Wood for getting killed, never mind taking shots at Nikki Haley's husband who is serving our Country.

Trump is seriously deranged.
He's not an American.

I'm not religious, but I do pray that he comes down with an aggressive form of cancer and dies in 6 months.
Then, he can be buried on his golf course next to Ivanka.

Trump's contempt for military service - The Atlantic

Anonymous sources as reported by the esteemed, the Atlantic? LOL.

Seriously, do you think Michelle is ok with all this action Barry is getting?
Dude, you don't even have anonymous sources for that.


Barry and Larry sitting in a tree.
Im not going to watch the videos. Unless it materially relates to his performance in office, who cares?
tequila4kapp
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Maybe it's because of my law background but the Georgia hearing was absolutely fascinating viewing.
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Some will say this is fake
Unit2Sucks
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tequila4kapp said:


These things are incomplete. Cost of goods matters most in relationship to income. How much more do Americans make compared to Russians?


Here's an article that discusses this very point.

Quote:

The shelves at Moscow supermarkets are full of fruit and vegetables, cheese and meat. But many of the shoppers look at the selection with dismay as inflation makes their wallets feel empty.

Russia's Central Bank has raised its key lending rate four times this year to try to get inflation under control and stabilize the ruble's exchange rate as the economy weathers the effects of Russia's military operation in Ukraine and the Western sanctions imposed as a consequence.

The last time it raised the rate to 15%, doubled that from the beginning of the year the bank said it was concerned about prices that were increasing at an annualized pace of about 12%. The bank now forecasts inflation for the full year, as well as next year, to be about 7.5%.

Although that rate is high, it may be an understatement.

"If we talk in percentage terms, then, probably, (prices) increased by 25%. This is meat, staple products dairy produce, fruits, vegetables, sausages. My husband can't live without sausage! Sometimes I'm just amazed at price spikes," said Roxana Gheltkova, a shopper in a Moscow supermarket.


Asked if her income as a pensioner was enough to keep food on the table, customer Lilya Tsarkova said: "No, of course not. I get help from my children."

Without their assistance, "I don't know how to pay rent and food," the 70-year-old said.

Figures from the state statistical service Rosstat released on Nov. 1 show a huge spike in prices for some foods compared with 2022 74% for cabbage, 72% for oranges and 47% for cucumbers.

The Russian parliament has approved a 2024-2026 budget that earmarks a record amount for defense spending. Maxim Blant, a Russian economy analyst based in Latvia, sees that as an indication that prices will continue to rise sharply.

"It is simply impossible to solve the issue of inflation in conditions ... when the military-industrial complex receives unlimited funding, when everything they ask for is given to them, when the share of this military-industrial complex in the economy grows at a very rapid pace," he told The Associated Press.

The central bank's rate hikes have slightly cooled the ruble's exchange rate slide the rate is now about 88 to the U.S. dollar from over 100 earlier. But that's still far higher than in the summer of 2022, when it was about 60 to the dollar.

That keeps the cost of imports high, even as import possibilities shrink due to Western sanctions.
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edit: taking this down, as upon further reading, material may have been fabricated.
movielover
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This boots Fanni and delays proceedings... or worse?

How did she pass a bar exam?
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tequila4kapp said:

Maybe it's because of my law background but the Georgia hearing was absolutely fascinating viewing.


Totally.
I thought he was weak and she was fantastic!

I listened to both Fox and msnbc talking heads. The worst take was Martha McCollum who claimed they were living an extravagant lifestyle (come on now - people go on vacations, that was a stretch big time) and that Wade was "one of her boyfriends (another stretch and slant - there was NO evidence that she had any more than ONE boyfriend.) That angered me because it's flat out character assassination.

That said, until Fani came in I thought they were sunk.

The best take was on msnbc where someone said "the onus is on the trump lawyers to prove there is evidence to support the allegation. They didn't do that, an allegation is not evidence."Meanwhile, Fani answered one "you have no evidence you paid by cash?" question by saying "one person's testimony is acceptable as evidence." And her testimony along with Wade's beats the Trump team's lack of evidence.

The only option for the judge is to simply say "you're lying".

Sure, it sounds far fetched.
But even if he paid for more than his share of dinners, I'm not bothered by it. She as DA had to hire someone to take on the case. She knows him, trusts him, and he apparently was paid less than many others who do similar work.

The trump lawyers want to turn it into more than I think it is. We all heard the problematic trump-Raffensburg call. He's guilty, somebody needs to prosecute him! She's taken on that mission and hired someone she thinks can do it. I dunno if he's the best pick, but I say carry on!

It was highly entertaining. A good lesson on American jurisprudence no matter what side anyone is on.
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As a natural born trial Attorney, Nathan Wade previously handled low-level criminal cases. The New York Times reported "scant evidence" of his record prosecuting major cases.

His own website touts his experience with car accidents and contract disputes.

concordtom
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movielover said:

As a natural born trial Attorney, Nathan Wade previously handled low-level criminal cases. The New York Times reported "scant evidence" of his record prosecuting major cases.

His own website touts his experience with car accidents and contract disputes.




Brock Purdy?

Fair enough. There are only so many Trump election tampering cases around.
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concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

Maybe it's because of my law background but the Georgia hearing was absolutely fascinating viewing.
Totally.
I thought he was weak and she was fantastic!

I listened to both Fox and msnbc talking heads. The worst take was Martha McCollum who claimed they were living an extravagant lifestyle (come on now - people go on vacations, that was a stretch big time) and that Wade was "one of her boyfriends (another stretch and slant - there was NO evidence that she had any more than ONE boyfriend.) That angered me because it's flat out character assassination.

That said, until Fani came in I thought they were sunk.

The best take was on msnbc where someone said "the onus is on the trump lawyers to prove there is evidence to support the allegation. They didn't do that, an allegation is not evidence."Meanwhile, Fani answered one "you have no evidence you paid by cash?" question by saying "one person's testimony is acceptable as evidence." And her testimony along with Wade's beats the Trump team's lack of evidence.

The only option for the judge is to simply say "you're lying".

Sure, it sounds far fetched.
But even if he paid for more than his share of dinners, I'm not bothered by it. She as DA had to hire someone to take on the case. She knows him, trusts him, and he apparently was paid less than many others who do similar work.

The trump lawyers want to turn it into more than I think it is. We all heard the problematic trump-Raffensburg call. He's guilty, somebody needs to prosecute him! She's taken on that mission and hired someone she thinks can do it. I dunno if he's the best pick, but I say carry on!

It was highly entertaining. A good lesson on American jurisprudence no matter what side anyone is on.
That one cuts both ways. Yeartie's testimony is equal evidence against Willis/Wade's claim. There are a lot of Wade/Willis claims that are … interesting. I think there's enough meat on the bones for both sides that the judge could plausibly rule either way. Considering the state hasn't questioned Willis yet being "tied" probably means they are ahead.

Notice how Willis was on a tirade during questioning by the first attorney. That attorney was either shrewdly letting Willis discredit herself by being out of control or she couldn't control the witness via questioning skills. I think the latter. Notice how attorney #2 put an end to Willis' shenanigans.

The part where the states attorney were objecting to Willis testifying then she stormed in the courtroom pissed off and insisted on testifying was Perry Mason-esquire.
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movielover said:

This boots Fanni and delays proceedings... or worse?

How did she pass a bar exam?
concordtom
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tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

Maybe it's because of my law background but the Georgia hearing was absolutely fascinating viewing.
Totally.
I thought he was weak and she was fantastic!

I listened to both Fox and msnbc talking heads. The worst take was Martha McCollum who claimed they were living an extravagant lifestyle (come on now - people go on vacations, that was a stretch big time) and that Wade was "one of her boyfriends (another stretch and slant - there was NO evidence that she had any more than ONE boyfriend.) That angered me because it's flat out character assassination.

That said, until Fani came in I thought they were sunk.

The best take was on msnbc where someone said "the onus is on the trump lawyers to prove there is evidence to support the allegation. They didn't do that, an allegation is not evidence."Meanwhile, Fani answered one "you have no evidence you paid by cash?" question by saying "one person's testimony is acceptable as evidence." And her testimony along with Wade's beats the Trump team's lack of evidence.

The only option for the judge is to simply say "you're lying".

Sure, it sounds far fetched.
But even if he paid for more than his share of dinners, I'm not bothered by it. She as DA had to hire someone to take on the case. She knows him, trusts him, and he apparently was paid less than many others who do similar work.

The trump lawyers want to turn it into more than I think it is. We all heard the problematic trump-Raffensburg call. He's guilty, somebody needs to prosecute him! She's taken on that mission and hired someone she thinks can do it. I dunno if he's the best pick, but I say carry on!

It was highly entertaining. A good lesson on American jurisprudence no matter what side anyone is on.
That one cuts both ways. Yeartie's testimony is equal evidence against Willis/Wade's claim. There are a lot of Wade/Willis claims that are … interesting. I think there's enough meat on the bones for both sides that the judge could plausibly rule either way. Considering the state hasn't questioned Willis yet being "tied" probably means they are ahead.

Notice how Willis was on a tirade during questioning by the first attorney. That attorney was either shrewdly letting Willis discredit herself by being out of control or she couldn't control the witness via questioning skills. I think the latter. Notice how attorney #2 put an end to Willis' shenanigans.

The part where the states attorney were objecting to Willis testifying then she stormed in the courtroom pissed off and insisted on testifying was Perry Mason-esquire.

Oh, good point about the Yeartie testimony. I forgot about that. But, that was not quite as strong. All she said was "hugging and kissing". I suppose the Trump lawyers could call her back in and ask to be more specific - and she may very well do so now that Fani dropped the hammer by saying on stand that yeartie is no longer a friend, and something as if Yeartie totally betrayed her. Cat fight situation Trump lawyers should seek to exploit.

I read last night that trump lawyers had another source who was alleged to testify to the same but that ended up not being as strong of testimony so they backed off bringing him/her in.

….I suppose if one were inclined to believe in Conspiracy Theory there's ample opportunity here.

1: Fani and Wade conspired to lie about the repayment with cash story. And about when they began the intimate relationship. And they silenced witnesses other than Yeartie.

Or

2. Other side, one could imagine that team trump has paid for Yeartie testimony. I mean, I'd believe ANYTHING about team trump - they tried a COUP for God's sake !!!!!! Only thing we haven't seen are political assassination, but those may be coming as everything escalates. Pretty surprised none yet, right? But I digress…

Willis WAS on fire when she first appeared, but im not as bothered by it as you are. I think that was natural. Who wouldn't be pissed!
I thought it was certainly dramatic! But I ultimately thought she was effective.

If this was a criminal trial, I'd think the judge would have cut down on her explanatory answers and made her look worse. But as it was, she told her narrative, and implausible as the cash story may have been, it kind of worked! I mean, Yeartie didn't oppose that. And that is the heart of the case!!! The case is not about whether they had relations - that's not illegal! In Georgia, a married couple can be lawyers on opposite sides of a case! So, who cares if Yeartie is right.

Like I said before, this is, I believe, much ado about pretty much nothing. Big deal if they used their wages to go on a cruise to the Caribbean or a 50 bday party to Belize. Team Trump wants to make that a crime?? Oh, good god! This is absurd.

Fani being upset that her love life bring dragged out and the most important case being threatened and her entire reputation being drawn through the mud? Yeah. I'd be upset, too. She kicked ass in her defense.

We've never seen anything like this, have we?? Starts in 30 minutes. I'm up!!

The history of the world depends on which credit card was used! Unbelievable!!
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This entire charade is a national travesty. You think this would be happening for any defendant other than Trump?
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Fani Willis is not called as a witness by the State (her own side).
This means that Team Trump does not get to redirect her after rethinking their strategy, questioning over night.

MSNBC cheers the strategy as smart tactically, as she got enough of her story out yesterday, and this limits Defense from getting to go after her again.

FoxNews reacts by asking, "she's cutting her losses?" That was laughable!!

I find most of what happens on Foxnews to be either laughable or outrageously irresponsible. SpinTV.
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dajo9 said:

This entire charade is a national travesty. You think this would be happening for any defendant other than Trump?


The Swamp doesn't want a Populist President who can't be bought. They prefer Biden, Haley, etc.
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Oh, shut up! You are the type of clown that learns a new word or phrase and decides using it repeatedly will make your point sound stronger.

First it was "uniparty".

Now, it appears, you are transitioning to "populist."

Cute how you pretend to know what you're talking about. When, in reality, all you ever write boils down to :

"Orange dear leader is the greatest ever! Anyone else sucks!"


Morons gonna moron.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
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concordtom said:



I read last night that trump lawyers had another source who was alleged to testify to the same but that ended up not being as strong of testimony so they backed off bringing him/her in.

….I suppose if one were inclined to believe in Conspiracy Theory there's ample opportunity here.

1: Fani and Wade conspired to lie about the repayment with cash story. And about when they began the intimate relationship. And they silenced witnesses other than Yeartie.

Or

2. Other side, one could imagine that team trump has paid for Yeartie testimony. I mean, I'd believe ANYTHING about team trump - they tried a COUP for God's sake !!!!!! Only thing we haven't seen are political assassination, but those may be coming as everything escalates. Pretty surprised none yet, right? But I digress…

Willis WAS on fire when she first appeared, but im not as bothered by it as you are. I think that was natural. Who wouldn't be pissed!
I thought it was certainly dramatic! But I ultimately thought she was effective.

If this was a criminal trial, I'd think the judge would have cut down on her explanatory answers and made her look worse. But as it was, she told her narrative, and implausible as the cash story may have been, it kind of worked! I mean, Yeartie didn't oppose that. And that is the heart of the case!!! The case is not about whether they had relations - that's not illegal! In Georgia, a married couple can be lawyers on opposite sides of a case! So, who cares if Yeartie is right.

Like I said before, this is, I believe, much ado about pretty much nothing. Big deal if they used their wages to go on a cruise to the Caribbean or a 50 bday party to Belize. Team Trump wants to make that a crime?? Oh, good god! This is absurd.
I am not watching this morning (so far).

It has been reported that the judge has said the standard is the existence of an actual conflict of interest OR evidence demonstrating the appearance of one.

Lets assume there's insufficient evidence to prove an actual conflict of interest. This could very well come down to the Defense's burden of proof. What standard do they have to meet to demonstrate the appearance of a conflict of interest? Beyond a reasonable doubt? Clear and convincing? Preponderance? Probable Cause? Reasonable Suspicion?

I cannot imagine a judge wants to call the DA a liar. He could easily say her testimony was direct and not clearly refuted and rule in the State's favor. Or he could lean into the "appearance" part of the standard and say that Willis/Wade's testimony was consistent and they are presumed to be telling the truth, but then run through the litany of "interesting" components to their story and say something like "justice demands a high standard of confidence in public officials...even the appearance of impropriety cannot be alllowed, especially in a trial of this national importance..." blah blah blah. We shall see.
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dajo9 said:

This entire charade is a national travesty. You think this would be happening for any defendant other than Trump?


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Former GA governor Roy Barnes was DA Willis' first choice as prosecutor. He turned it down because he had some FBI involved threats from someone who claimed he was "too close to the Jews". He thus had to live with body guards for 4 years and didn't want to live with it for the rest of his life.

Willis and Barnes faced off in court once. She beat him in the case, but he got it overturned at the Supreme Court.

He said she is very capable!



This testimony makes her sound like a seriously committed badass! She's fighting for Justice in the face of threats on her life and character assassination that the former good old boy governor couldn't withstand.

Team Trump wants us to imagine she's doing it for a cruise in the Caribbean with her boyfriend. Pleeeaaassseee.
She's the making of a movie in real time.
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