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SFCityBear
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tequila4kapp said:

Ukraine agrees to a cease fire, Dept of Ed announces 50% reduction in forces, Ontario MP backs down in electricity trade war, House passes CR…slow news day for the Trump WH
Could Biden/Harris or Harris/Walz get this much done in a day, a month, a year, a full term? I think we'd have to go back to "Give 'em Hell" Harry Truman to find a Democrat who had the stones to do this kind of stuff.
sycasey
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SFCityBear said:

tequila4kapp said:

Ukraine agrees to a cease fire, Dept of Ed announces 50% reduction in forces, Ontario MP backs down in electricity trade war, House passes CR…slow news day for the Trump WH
Could Biden/Harris or Harris/Walz get this much done in a day, a month, a year, a full term? I think we'd have to go back to "Give 'em Hell" Harry Truman to find a Democrat who had the stones to do this kind of stuff.

Biden actually got some pretty big legislation done. Might not have been for stuff you like, but he did.
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Ukraine agrees to a cease fire, Dept of Ed announces 50% reduction in forces, Ontario MP backs down in electricity trade war, House passes CR…slow news day for the Trump WH

Trump also went car shopping today and bought an ultra-red red-model S Tesla car to show support for Elon. I guess it was a slow news day.
movielover
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An NBA great and an AMAZING businessman, Junior Bridgeman, has passed away at 71.

He only earned a modest income as an NBA player, but became fabulously successful, owning over 100 Wendy's and Chili's restaurants and a net worth over $600 Million. He later started an aluminum mill, an investment firm, a bottling plant and bought a portion of the Milwaukee Bucks. Class act. He later bought Jet and Ebony magazines.

"Prayers Pouring In After Basketball Legend Dies From 'Medical Emergency' At 71"
DiabloWags
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tequila4kapp said:

DiabloWags said:

"There will be some disturbances"
That line is shocking to you? Guess what, Trump won because the majority of people didn't want 4 more years of Biden/Kamala. Trump didn't hide his agenda. On top of that, huge swaths of Trump supporters are drain the swamp types; those folks LOVE what is going on.


Not shocking at all.
Do you even know what it means?

Most of these people barely made it thru high school. They dont even know what a tariff is.

"Disturbances" is Trump-speak for tariffs.

Sounds like youre unaware of this.

tequila4kapp
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It means things that make humans uncomfortable because it is a disruption to the normal order.
DiabloWags
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tequila4kapp said:

It means things that make humans uncomfortable because it is a disruption to the normal order.

Trump admits tariffs will be 'little disturbance,' aimed at 'making America rich again'

Just too stupid.
He's like a teenager playing a video game and risking America's future.

"Tariffs are taxes and if you tax trade you'll get less trade and less prosperity" - - - Rand Paul



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Eastern Oregon Bear
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Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
MinotStateBeav
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
Yeah but we're not living with our heads in the clouds. Conservatives understand that you can't just ignore natural resources and base an economy on 'hope'.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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MinotStateBeav said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
Yeah but we're not living with our heads in the clouds. Conservatives understand that you can't just ignore natural resources and base an economy on 'hope'.
So Brazil should not build roads and develop their natural resources? Roads kind of go along with that.
tequila4kapp
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
Yeah but we're not living with our heads in the clouds. Conservatives understand that you can't just ignore natural resources and base an economy on 'hope'.
So Brazil should not build roads and develop their natural resources? Roads kind of go along with that.
Sure, but a road for a single conference? And a conference for an environmental cause?
SFCityBear
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tequila4kapp said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
Yeah but we're not living with our heads in the clouds. Conservatives understand that you can't just ignore natural resources and base an economy on 'hope'.
So Brazil should not build roads and develop their natural resources? Roads kind of go along with that.
Sure, but a road for a single conference? And a conference for an environmental cause?
Not very good idea, and very poor optics.
movielover
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MinotStateBeav said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
Yeah but we're not living with our heads in the clouds. Conservatives understand that you can't just ignore natural resources and base an economy on 'hope'.


Better yet, thinning, logging, and proper forest management can prevent catastrophic fires, protect the environment, and provide renewable wood products. Overgrown naive utopias have led to billions of tons of boogeyman CO2 and other pollutants being pumped into our environment with little benefit.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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tequila4kapp said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
Yeah but we're not living with our heads in the clouds. Conservatives understand that you can't just ignore natural resources and base an economy on 'hope'.
So Brazil should not build roads and develop their natural resources? Roads kind of go along with that.
Sure, but a road for a single conference? And a conference for an environmental cause?
You think that road won't be used after the conference? I agree it doesn't look good, but I suspect there's more to the story than is being presented.
MinotStateBeav
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

tequila4kapp said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
Yeah but we're not living with our heads in the clouds. Conservatives understand that you can't just ignore natural resources and base an economy on 'hope'.
So Brazil should not build roads and develop their natural resources? Roads kind of go along with that.
Sure, but a road for a single conference? And a conference for an environmental cause?
You think that road won't be used after the conference? I agree it doesn't look good, but I suspect there's more to the story than is being presented.
There's definitely more $$$ than is being presented, I agree.
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Opening the front door.

movielover
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Newsom rebranding continues. He's laughing at his own corrupt voting system.

movielover
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Europe gone?

DiabloWags
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Shocker!

A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump's turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a "sham" strategy by the government's central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules

oski003
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DiabloWags said:

Shocker!

A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump's turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a "sham" strategy by the government's central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules




The legal requirements to fire a government employee are incredibly cumbersome and one of the reasons many government employees work like sloths that would rather collect a paycheck than make a difference. I thought the administration had found a way around the red tape that has helped create a bloated, dysfunctional government.
sycasey
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Shocker!

A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump's turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a "sham" strategy by the government's central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules




The legal requirements to fire a government employee are incredibly cumbersome and one of the reasons many government employees work like sloths that would rather collect a paycheck than make a difference. I thought the administration had found a way around the red tape that has helped create a bloated, dysfunctional government.
The problem with this is that they're just busy firing "probationary" employees, a.k.a. the kinds of newer, younger employees who would be LESS enamored of the old bloated processes. They're superficially trying to meet a "we cut this many people" number, not actually improving efficiency.
movielover
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It will likely be appealed or go to a higher court.
Eastern Oregon Bear
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Shocker!

A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump's turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a "sham" strategy by the government's central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules




The legal requirements to fire a government employee are incredibly cumbersome and one of the reasons many government employees work like sloths that would rather collect a paycheck than make a difference. I thought the administration had found a way around the red tape that has helped create a bloated, dysfunctional government.
Then change the legal requirements. Don't break rules and make stuff up. Your side has control of all 3 branches of government.

By the way, as someone who has worked both in private industry as well as the government, I haven't noticed any significant difference in laziness between the two sets of employees. If anything, I've seen less laziness in the government. We did have one guy, who as he got into his late 60s, had his OCD get so out of control that he wasn't able to get his work done in a timely manner. He would spend hours writing an email. Others were often having to finish his work. That's not quite laziness but the effect was the same. It did take a while but he was quietly told to retire or be fired for performance. He chose retirement.
oski003
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Shocker!

A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump's turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a "sham" strategy by the government's central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules




The legal requirements to fire a government employee are incredibly cumbersome and one of the reasons many government employees work like sloths that would rather collect a paycheck than make a difference. I thought the administration had found a way around the red tape that has helped create a bloated, dysfunctional government.
Then change the legal requirements. Don't break rules and make stuff up. Your side has control of all 3 branches of government.

By the way, as someone who has worked both in private industry as well as the government, I haven't noticed any significant difference in laziness between the two sets of employees. If anything, I've seen less laziness in the government. We did have one guy, who as he got into his late 60s, had his OCD get so out of control that he wasn't able to get his work done in a timely manner. He would spend hours writing an email. Others were often having to finish his work. That's not quite laziness but the effect was the same. It did take a while but he was quietly told to retire or be fired for performance. He chose retirement.


The red tape involved in firing a government employee has been created with years of liberal judicial decisions based on interpretations of constitutional due process. The most efficient way to change the law is pretty much what they are doing.
DiabloWags
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oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Shocker!

A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump's turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a "sham" strategy by the government's central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules




The legal requirements to fire a government employee are incredibly cumbersome and one of the reasons many government employees work like sloths that would rather collect a paycheck than make a difference. I thought the administration had found a way around the red tape that has helped create a bloated, dysfunctional government.
Then change the legal requirements. Don't break rules and make stuff up. Your side has control of all 3 branches of government.

By the way, as someone who has worked both in private industry as well as the government, I haven't noticed any significant difference in laziness between the two sets of employees. If anything, I've seen less laziness in the government. We did have one guy, who as he got into his late 60s, had his OCD get so out of control that he wasn't able to get his work done in a timely manner. He would spend hours writing an email. Others were often having to finish his work. That's not quite laziness but the effect was the same. It did take a while but he was quietly told to retire or be fired for performance. He chose retirement.


The red tape involved in firing a government employee has been created with years of liberal judicial decisions based on interpretations of constitutional due process. The most efficient way to change the law is pretty much what they are doing.

And yet you don't seem to be at all concerned with the fact that they are (breaking the law) and summarily firing "probationary" employees who haven't yet become "indoctrinated" with the lazy bureaucracy that you have noted.

Moreover, in some of these federal agencies (especially involving the sciences) it's not like you can just hire people off the street because they have a pulse. These are people who actually have a special skillset.

For some reason, you totally ignore this.

Shocker.
oski003
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Shocker!

A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to rehire tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump's turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a "sham" strategy by the government's central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

Thousands of fired federal workers must be rehired immediately, judge rules




The legal requirements to fire a government employee are incredibly cumbersome and one of the reasons many government employees work like sloths that would rather collect a paycheck than make a difference. I thought the administration had found a way around the red tape that has helped create a bloated, dysfunctional government.
Then change the legal requirements. Don't break rules and make stuff up. Your side has control of all 3 branches of government.

By the way, as someone who has worked both in private industry as well as the government, I haven't noticed any significant difference in laziness between the two sets of employees. If anything, I've seen less laziness in the government. We did have one guy, who as he got into his late 60s, had his OCD get so out of control that he wasn't able to get his work done in a timely manner. He would spend hours writing an email. Others were often having to finish his work. That's not quite laziness but the effect was the same. It did take a while but he was quietly told to retire or be fired for performance. He chose retirement.


The red tape involved in firing a government employee has been created with years of liberal judicial decisions based on interpretations of constitutional due process. The most efficient way to change the law is pretty much what they are doing.

And yet you don't seem to be at all concerned with the fact that they are (breaking the law) and summarily firing "probationary" employees who haven't yet become "indoctrinated" with the lazy bureaucracy that you have noted.

Moreover, in some of these federal agencies (especially involving the sciences) it's not like you can just hire people off the street because they have a pulse. These are people who actually have a special skillset.

For some reason, you totally ignore this.

Shocker.



I agee that there is some recklessness involved here. It is far from perfect.
SFCityBear
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movielover said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timberMinotStateBeav said:


Regrettable, but minor league stuff compared to these:

Trump orders massive forest clearings to curb US reliance on foreign timber

Drill, baby drill
Yeah but we're not living with our heads in the clouds. Conservatives understand that you can't just ignore natural resources and base an economy on 'hope'.


Better yet, thinning, logging, and proper forest management can prevent catastrophic fires, protect the environment, and provide renewable wood products. Overgrown naive utopias have led to billions of tons of boogeyman CO2 and other pollutants being pumped into our environment with little benefit.
CO2 is a fertilizer. Makes plants grow.
MinotStateBeav
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Wow that's nuts. The American Heart Association sent their lawyer to fight a Texas Bill banning Soda and junk food from their SNAP program. Looks like the Bill passed anyway though.

sycasey
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MinotStateBeav said:

Wow that's nuts. The American Heart Association sent their lawyer to fight a Texas Bill banning Soda and junk food from their SNAP program. Looks like the Bill passed anyway though.
Is there good evidence that preventing people from buying certain kinds of food with government benefits actually helps them in any way? Otherwise it seems like we're just infringing on freedoms for being poor.
MinotStateBeav
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sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Wow that's nuts. The American Heart Association sent their lawyer to fight a Texas Bill banning Soda and junk food from their SNAP program. Looks like the Bill passed anyway though.
Is there good evidence that preventing people from buying certain kinds of food with government benefits actually helps them in any way? Otherwise it seems like we're just infringing on freedoms for being poor.
Yeah it's called Diabetes.
sycasey
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MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Wow that's nuts. The American Heart Association sent their lawyer to fight a Texas Bill banning Soda and junk food from their SNAP program. Looks like the Bill passed anyway though.
Is there good evidence that preventing people from buying certain kinds of food with government benefits actually helps them in any way? Otherwise it seems like we're just infringing on freedoms for being poor.
Yeah it's called Diabetes.
So people on SNAP get this less thanks to the restrictions? Why not just ban sodas or sugary drinks for everyone, if you want to improve public health?
MinotStateBeav
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sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

sycasey said:

MinotStateBeav said:

Wow that's nuts. The American Heart Association sent their lawyer to fight a Texas Bill banning Soda and junk food from their SNAP program. Looks like the Bill passed anyway though.
Is there good evidence that preventing people from buying certain kinds of food with government benefits actually helps them in any way? Otherwise it seems like we're just infringing on freedoms for being poor.
Yeah it's called Diabetes.
So people on SNAP get this less thanks to the restrictions? Why not just ban sodas or sugary drinks for everyone, if you want to improve public health?
First off nobody is banning people buying anything. They are just making sure it isn't state funded. The state should not be paying people to make their health worse, that's an individual decision. They believe people will make different decisions when they have to pay with their own money.
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